Re: Number and Abbrieviation Processing

Martin McCormick

I am not an expert on regular expressions, but I sure
love to use them because they solve many decision problems
regarding text and how it is processed. For every problem
solved using a RE, hoever, there is a potential side effect created that
is just waiting to kick you in the knee. Output text is best
described as a stream of consciousness. We humans have the most
sophisticated computing system on Earth sitting right atop our
necks and our speech output is usually controlled by the context
of what we are doing and talking about at the moment. It's also
influenced by our age, education and where we came from.

A speech program for a computer doesn't even come close
to having any concept of that type of context and it gets to be a knotty
problem even for humans placed in an unfamiliar situation in
which street slang and vernacular are different on different
blocks of the same street.

We instantly know whether we should say the long E sound
when seeing R E A D or whether we should say a word that sounds
just like the color red if we just read a book.

A speech synthesizer that can get that little issue right
every time doesn't exist and that extraordinary computer that
sits on most of our spines can even be confused by unusual syntax
so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for someone to come up with
a software solution anytime soon, at least, not today.

I will say to those working on these projects, Keep up
the good work.

Probably the best idea in the mean time could be some
form of easily accessible switch that can be changed on the fly
to enable and disable the triggers that are causing misbehavior.
In the world of software, one situation's annoying behavior is
another's pure genius.

Martin McCormick

"Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...> writes:

It can be done with NVDA's speech dictionary. You'd need to use a
"regular
expression" (regex) to avoid having enter every possible combination of
numbers. Actually another way (since I haven't ever sat down and properly
learned regex, and I haven't fully thought this through) I just tried, is
to make a speech dictionary entry to change "." (period or full stop, no
quotes) to "dot" (d o t, again no quotes).

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 8:30 AM Gary <ironmangary@...> wrote:

I don't know if this is two issues or one and if it's something that
can be done within NVDA. I use the Windows core voices synthesizer,
although it occurs with the Microsoft SAPI synth as well. I do not
want dates or abbreviations to be processed. For example, the latest
version of NVDA, 2019.03.01 is read as "March 1, 2019" instead of
"2019 dot 03 dot 01". Additionally, I am hearing hello.pl as "hello
dot place" instead of "hello dot p l." Obviously, I know I can use
the dictionary to teach NVDA to read "pl" as "p l" but there seems to
be dozens of these abbreviations. I look at software versions all day
so the first example is driving me crazy.

Is there a way within NVDA to say ignore date processing and
abbreviation processing? I definitely have been unsuccessful finding
how this would be done with the synthesizer software. If there is a
synthesizer that has this level of control that won't hit my wallet
too hard and actually has a real sounding voice, I'd be interested in
going that route if it's my only option.

Thanks in advance for any guidance.

Gary

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Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

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latest nvda and one core voice

Don H

Just installed the latest version of NVDA on my win 10 system. Withe the default one core voice david I get a strange when arrowing around on the desktop. NVDA reads the name of the icon followed by a strange noise. Change the one core voice to Mark and strange noise goes away.

Don H

I am having issues with Nvda 2019.3.1 not working will with some web pages when using the latest version of Google chrome. On the medicare.cov web site you can not get links to activate. Works fine when using Jaws 2020.

Re: For how long do I have to continue getting the vocalizer error messages?

Richard Wells

I believe if after starting your computer, if you redo the "Use currently saved settings on the logon and other secure screens (requires administrator" in NVDA Preferences/General, that problem will go away.

On 2/14/2020 10:17 AM, Ibrahim Abedrabbo wrote:

Hi folks,

I am currently running NVDA 2019.3.1 with the vocalizer add on posted by Rui. After some difficulties in deleting the vocalizer activation and reactivating again, Both seem to be running fine. I basically could not delete the old activation via the vocalizer menu, and had to delete the vocalizer activation manually.

However, I continuously get this irritating vocalizer error message every time I start my computer:

1. Your credentials (email and password) are correct (you can change them under the

2. You are not using someone else's activation or you are not using the same activation in

different computers at the same time. This is not legal, and is against license terms.

3. You are having internet problems.

OK

Regards,

Ibrahim

Re: OE Classic 3.1 gets more accessibility fixes.

Marten Post Uiterweer

Hi Robert,

Are you using OE classic yourself and if yes, with what screenreader?
I have installed the OE calssic 3.0 version and have set up an account.
With jaws I can mark a highlight color and then you can navigate through
the list, but not really great and hotkeys of OE are also not working.

Are you using it and with what screenreader?

Regards, marten

On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 07:40:18 -0800 "Robert Kingett" <@blindjourno> wrote:

The below is from their accessibility email list. No, I have no clue how to join it. I was added. For those who hate Thunderbird, this may be a good alternative but understand that the free version does not support IMAP or profiles yet.

Before I paste the email, [here's the website.](http://www.oeclassic.com/) Check it out. Send them bugs and questions.

In the latest release of OE Classic 3.1, released today (10th February 2020), we've added the support for standard Message dialogs which are now fully screen-reader accessible. The dialogs use standard buttons and standard way of displaying messages which is easily readable to any screen-reader. The dialog we're describing are the ones such as "are you sure" type of dialogs. For example, when you right click the empty deleted items folder option one such dialog will show up.

To have this support there are some requirements though:

- you must run at least Windows Vista or newer (Windows 7, Windows 8 or Windows 10 work well, and Windows 10 works best regarding this)

- Theme support must be enabled on Windows Vista, Windows 7 and Windows 8. (so in other words, Windows must be using at least Windows Basic or Windows Aero theme). On Windows 10 this is not a problem, because the themes from Windows 8 and earlier are removed - Windows 10 has always theme support enabled so message dialogs in OE Classic will be always the standard Windows ones which are accessible. The requirement to have theme support enabled on Windows Vista / 7 / 8 will be removed in one of the updates when we switch to newer compiler than the one we currently use. But this is not much of a problem. Windows 7 usually is already set to one of the above mentioned themes by default, and for Windows 10 this is not a problem at all, since it has this always enabled.

- Windows XP cannot be supported unfortunately. It doesn't support the required programming interface needed to add this. If you use that version, OE Classic will revert to the older dialogs which are not accessible. We have some ideas how to support even this, but it will require some compromises which we are only ready to take when the popularity of Windows XP is below 1% (currently about 2%).

In addition to all the above, we're also working on adding accessibility support for the list views (message list, contact list, folder list) which is currently the biggest known thing to be missing. We have made some progress regarding that in discovering why it doesn't work but there is still work to be done. We will notify you about this separately. There are also a few other windows which haven't been localized and as such adjusted for accessibility, and that will be done in time too, but these windows are rare in the current version (it is the updates window and send/receive window for example). With all of that we're approaching the goal of reaching 100% accessibility.

If you have suggestions, other than the ones which are already listed, we're always looking forward to those. If you have already made a suggestion, rest assured it is already in our queue to be implemented so there is no need to suggest it again.

For how long do I have to continue getting the vocalizer error messages?

Ibrahim Abedrabbo

Hi folks,

I am currently running NVDA 2019.3.1 with the vocalizer add on posted by Rui. After some difficulties in deleting the vocalizer activation and reactivating again, Both seem to be running fine. I basically could not delete the old activation via the vocalizer menu, and had to delete the vocalizer activation manually.

However, I continuously get this irritating vocalizer error message every time I start my computer:

1. Your credentials (email and password) are correct (you can change them under the

2. You are not using someone else's activation or you are not using the same activation in

different computers at the same time. This is not legal, and is against license terms.

3. You are having internet problems.

OK

Regards,

Ibrahim

Re: eloquence suggestions

Felix G.

Hi!
I'm currently using a demo version of the Code Factory version. Seems
to be a solid implementation. It's lightning fast.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 14. Feb. 2020 um 15:33 Uhr schrieb Sam Bushman
<libertyroundtable@...>:

The NVDA version can only be used for NVDA.

The other version can be used on windows and for any other speaking app/screen reader.

Not sure which is better because I have only used and paid for the NVDA version.

Thanks,

Sam

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel Hawkins
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 7:14 AM
To: NVDA Mailing Group <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] eloquence suggestions

What is the difference between the two versions?

Daniel Hawkins

computersassociated@...

On Feb 14, 2020, at 7:29 AM, Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:

I currently use the NVDA paid version. Works well for me.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of cecropia64
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 10:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] eloquence suggestions

i want to use eloquence with the latest version of nvda. does anyone have any suggestions as to the best version to get, free and or paid? thanks

stew

Re: how to enable hidden files in Windows 10

Keith Eldridge

Hi Brian,

It has same effect as going into folder options and view tab. If you set it using shortcut keys and then go into the options the other way you will find it set in there and if you set or unset in folder option you would find the ribbon option checked or unckecked accordingly.

Regards

Keith Eldridge

Co-ordinator for IT for Visually Impaired

EAST SUSSEX COLLEGE EASTBOURNE

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 14 February 2020 14:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to enable hidden files in Windows 10

On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 09:47 AM, Keith Eldridge wrote:

Open file explorer by holding down the Windows key and pressing the E key. Then hold down the ALT key and press the V key and finally press the H key twice. This acts as a toggle and will turn it on if it is off and off if it is on.

Just curious, does doing it this way make the change apply globally to all files and folders or just to the one that you're viewing at the time?  I see all the controls you've mentioned, but have not used this technique, always going the File Options dialog in Control Panel instead.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

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Roger Stewart

I just checked here using latest nvda and it does say on or off as it should.
Roger

On 2/13/2020 10:53 PM, Ame wrote:

Hi all!

Just ran across something a few days ago when I installed the latest nvda update.  I’m a winamp user.  When you hit s for shuffle or r for repeat, you should hear “on” or “off.”  It doesn’t say anything but “off.”  Weird!  I even tried uninstalling and reinstalling winamp.  I always get the light version.  I’m guessing there haven’t been any updates since 5.63.  Radionomy hasn’t done anything with it as far as I know.  Maybe I’m wrong and that’s the issue.  Anyway, like I said, it’s a pretty minor thing in the grand scheme of things but I just wanted someone to know.

Thanks

Ame

Re: how to enable hidden files in Windows 10

On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 09:47 AM, Keith Eldridge wrote:
Open file explorer by holding down the Windows key and pressing the E key. Then hold down the ALT key and press the V key and finally press the H key twice. This acts as a toggle and will turn it on if it is off and off if it is on.
Just curious, does doing it this way make the change apply globally to all files and folders or just to the one that you're viewing at the time?  I see all the controls you've mentioned, but have not used this technique, always going the File Options dialog in Control Panel instead.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

Re: how to enable hidden files in Windows 10

Keith Eldridge

Open file explorer by holding down the Windows key and pressing the E key. Then hold down the ALT key and press the V key and finally press the H key twice. This acts as a toggle and will turn it on if it is off and off if it is on.

Regards

Keith Eldridge
Co-ordinator for IT for Visually Impaired
EAST SUSSEX COLLEGE EASTBOURNE

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Re: eloquence suggestions

Sam Bushman

The NVDA version can only be used for NVDA.

The other version can be used on windows and for any other speaking app/screen reader.

Not sure which is better because I have only used and paid for the NVDA version.

Thanks,

Sam

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel Hawkins
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 7:14 AM
To: NVDA Mailing Group <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] eloquence suggestions

What is the difference between the two versions?

Daniel Hawkins

On Feb 14, 2020, at 7:29 AM, Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:

I currently use the NVDA paid version. Works well for me.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of cecropia64
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 10:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] eloquence suggestions

i want to use eloquence with the latest version of nvda.  does anyone have any suggestions as to the best version to get, free and or paid? thanks

stew

Re: how to enable hidden files in Windows 10

And for the record, what one does to show/hide hidden files has remained the same for a very, very long time now.  It didn't change under Windows 10 one iota.

Control Panel, File Explorer Options, View Tab, and activate either the Show hidden files, folders, and drives radio button or its Don't show sibling.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

Re: eloquence suggestions

Daniel Hawkins

What is the difference between the two versions?
Daniel Hawkins

On Feb 14, 2020, at 7:29 AM, Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:

I currently use the NVDA paid version. Works well for me.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of cecropia64
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 10:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] eloquence suggestions

i want to use eloquence with the latest version of nvda.  does anyone have any suggestions as to the best version to get, free and or paid? thanks

stew

Re: eloquence suggestions

Sam Bushman

I currently use the NVDA paid version. Works well for me.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of cecropia64
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 10:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] eloquence suggestions

i want to use eloquence with the latest version of nvda. does anyone have any suggestions as to the best version to get, free and or paid? thanks

stew

Re: eloquence suggestions

Rui Fontes

You have Eloquence in SAPI5 flavour or in an NVDA add-on.

If you want to buy the first, can contact me.

Best regards,

Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.

Às 05:23 de 14/02/2020, cecropia64 escreveu:

i want to use eloquence with the latest version of nvda.  does anyone have any suggestions as to the best version to get, free and or paid? thanks

stew

Re: how to enable hidden files in Windows 10

Robert Doc Wright godfearer

For future reference it shows the hot keys for getting there  and it’s a lot faster

Press  alt+f o opens  folder options

******

If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning start?

From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 4:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to enable hidden files in Windows 10

Hi

Open File Explorer

Press the alt key to open the menu bar, then use left arrow to move to

the "File tab

Arrow down to "Options Change settings for opening items, file and

folder views and search" and press enter

In the dialog that opens press Control+tab to move to the "view" tab

Press tab once to move to the "Advanced Settings" treeview

Navigate the treeview with up/down arrows, use spacebar to

check/uncheck settings, one of which is for hiding/showing hidden

files and folders

When done tab toOK button and press enter.

Note Your User account may require administrator privileges to use this feature.

Cheers

Chris

On 14/02/2020, Pramit <PRAMIT.VISION@...> wrote:

> Hi Robert

> In File Explorer go to View and then scroll right to the Show/Hide box and

> in that you can check / un-check the Hidden Item as per your request.

> Hope this helps!

> Pramit

> On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 5:30 AM Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...>

> wrote:

>> Hoping could guide me how to enable the hidden files in the File explorer

>>

>> I appreciate your respond. Thanks.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

--

Cheers

Chris

Re: eloquence suggestions

Gerardo Corripio

Remember to that if you still have Kurzweil1000 reading&scanning software, yu could use the eloquence provided on it. I used to do this with when had K1000 on my Windows XP machine; I haven’t upgraded so as to be able to use it nowadays.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 14 feb 2020, a la(s) 2:00 a.m., Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> escribió:

﻿

You can purchase it from Code factory or A T Guys

******

If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning start?

From: cecropia64
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 10:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] eloquence suggestions

i want to use eloquence with the latest version of nvda.  does anyone

have any suggestions as to the best version to get, free and or paid?

thanks

stew

Re: eloquence suggestions

Daniel Hawkins

Thank you for that tip, I was wondering about the 3 activation and how it works when you have upgraded over 3 different computers. So, just deacatving is just that simple.

Thanks!
Daniel Hawkins

On Feb 14, 2020, at 2:52 AM, Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi.  I purchased my copy of NVDA Eloquence and Vocalizer NVDA Addon from AT Guys for \$69US\$, and it is working like a charm.  But you must Download the CodeFactoryPython3 Addon though or it might not work with the latest installation ofNVDA.  You are given the option of Deactivating your copy from your pc should you need to Revamp it, then reactivate it when you are ready to do so.  And you can install it on 3 PCSat at any one time. But you must remember to deactivate any of those copies should you want to migrate to a different machine or there will be problems when your activation attempts run out.  Cheers!

On 2/14/2020 4:00 PM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
You can purchase it from Code factory or A T Guys

******
If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning start?

From: cecropia64
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 10:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] eloquence suggestions

i want to use eloquence with the latest version of nvda.  does anyone
have any suggestions as to the best version to get, free and or paid?
thanks

stew

Re: how to enable hidden files in Windows 10

Chris Mullins

Hi
Open File Explorer
Press the alt key to open the menu bar, then use left arrow to move to
the "File tab
Arrow down to "Options Change settings for opening items, file and
folder views and search" and press enter
In the dialog that opens press Control+tab to move to the "view" tab
Press tab once to move to the "Advanced Settings" treeview
Navigate the treeview with up/down arrows, use spacebar to
check/uncheck settings, one of which is for hiding/showing hidden
files and folders
When done tab toOK button and press enter.

Note Your User account may require administrator privileges to use this feature.

Cheers
Chris

On 14/02/2020, Pramit <PRAMIT.VISION@...> wrote:
Hi Robert

In File Explorer go to View and then scroll right to the Show/Hide box and
in that you can check / un-check the Hidden Item as per your request.

Hope this helps!

Pramit

On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 5:30 AM Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...>
wrote:

Hoping could guide me how to enable the hidden files in the File explorer