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Re: What is the status of the NV access podcast?

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Ben,

To be honest, I wasn't even aware that there was a podcast in the first place. LOL!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben J. Bloomgren" <bbloomgren@icloud.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 8:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] What is the status of the NV access podcast?


Hi all,

I'm going through my Downcast, and I'm clearing old podcasts. I come up on the NV access podcast, and it doesn't have anything since November 2014. Being that this is the 10th anniversary of NVDA, I'm wondering if that podcast is even being used anymore. Should I delete it, or should I keep it for future use? I was surprised, being that NVDA Con just ended, it leads me to wonder.

Stay warm,

Ben


What is the status of the NV access podcast?

Ben J. Bloomgren
 

Hi all,

I'm going through my Downcast, and I'm clearing old podcasts. I come up on the NV access podcast, and it doesn't have anything since November 2014. Being that this is the 10th anniversary of NVDA, I'm wondering if that podcast is even being used anymore. Should I delete it, or should I keep it for future use? I was surprised, being that NVDA Con just ended, it leads me to wonder.

Stay warm,

Ben


Re: Windows 10 with classic shell again

Jacob Kruger
 

Brian, I am running classic shell on my windows 10 64 bit machine, and, yes, UAC popup is still relatively inaccessible, but, narrator seemed to be able to read it somewhat - this was a while ago.

However, I have turned UAC notification level off/set it to zero under control panel, and I don't get blocked for softare, processes, etc.

Closest come is that still get asked if unknown software should be installed, but, that's been happening since XP...<smile>

And, FWIW, in terms of control panel, while windows key + I is helpful/useful, I also have a god mode shortcut on my desktop, since I have preferred that interface since windows 7, but anyway - that's a folder you create with a strange/long name with a whole weird string in it, which then renders as just GodMode, but, I find it does make it easier to find some settings, at times.

But, don't think that will necessarily help with this UAC issue.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 15 May, 2016 11:04 AM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 with classic shell again


Hi still trying to come to terms with win 10.
There are alerts where the text of the message is not spoken and has to be accessed via one of the navigation modes, all you tend to hear by default are the buttons. This is quite clearly not a good thing.
It seems to affect things like where access is denied, continue with etc mostly, though some others have been spotted as well. Is this something to do with classic shell or is it a known issue on win 10. Also after following the instructions the other day about moving the UAC slider to zero, I am still getting denied access to stuff, even though the account has admin rights. Looking at the permissions and security settings it seems to be totally incomprehensible fo this human as to what I might need to alter. What a pity there is no way to get rid of all this stuff and make it behave like XP when a single user is using it.
It also seems to want network passwords to access it from other computers, a problem that exists on Windows 7 and up of course as well as this access denied irritation.
Brian

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Re: Something strange in Firefox

 

I agree, I am on the release channel and firefox.com lists me as being on latest version.

On 16/05/2016 12:49 a.m., Gene wrote:
I don't know why you received an autoupdate. I use Firefox portable and that is still using one of the 46 versions. The portable versions usually come out soon after the installed versions so it should have been out by now. Also, when I checked, the version Mozilla still refers to in its release notes part of the web site is 46.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

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Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 3:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


It depends on which channel you are on. I can easily download 47 from many
sites across the web, so it obviously is out there and it had auto updated
to it which was why I had to intervene when the sounds vanished.
brain

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From: "Ejaz Shah" <eashah67@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


I don't think Firefox 47 is released yet. Current release version is
46.0.1.

On 5/14/2016 12:41 PM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Is this 47 again. I had to reinstall 46 a couple of weeks ago and turn
off updates as for a staart it was much slower on single core systems and
some add ons stopped working correctly, such as navigational sounds
I think this new version has some serious bugs to be ironed out, myself,
as it also kept failing to go the pages the first time it was told
complaining it was not foundd.
Obviviously I no longer have it, so cannot comment if this is yet another
issue, but I've had no problems since going back.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnþór Helgason"
<arnthor.helgason@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 11:26 AM
Subject: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


Good morning from sunny Iceland.

After the most recent updates I have found it impossible to copy the url
of a homepage when I want to include the relevant address in a new
document.

Previously I used the command alt+d, but it doesn't work anymore in
Firefox. However Internet Explorer and GoogleChrome still have this
command.


Any advice?


Best regards,

Arnthor Helgason

Phone: +354 8973766










Re: Fly Outs?

 

Brian Gaff wrote, in part:  "blind users talk different languages in the main one talks about right and left click and hover while we say tthings like move the carat or use the application or context menu keys which sightees have no apparent concept of."

Which makes perfect sense. The entire concept of a Graphical User Interface (GUI) is that it is largely "point and click."

Being a "sightee" and a computer tech I am endlessly amazed at how much flack I've taken at timed for saying things like "right click" and people saying they don't use the mouse. I really don't give a flying rat's patootie how you, for any you, execute a right click but every screen reader I've worked with supports it. It's also pretty well known that right click is generally going to bring up a context menu, so getting focus on something and hitting the context menu key (also sometimes referred to as the application key) does the same thing.

Those offering help are generally going to use "the lingo" associated with the environment being discussed. If that requires translation, and at times it does, it's not always the helper that should be expected to provide it.

Brian


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Re: Windows 10 with classic shell again

 

If you want to be able to access all the computers on your network without passwords then you should set up a Homegroup (presuming all are Win7 or later) and/or Workgroup and make sure that all the machines have joined it.  You can then set up your specific sharing of files, folders, etc., via the Homegroup settings on the individual machines and accounts on each machine.

All changes as far as search behavior can be tweaked in the Cortana & Search settings.  I long ago turned off "Include web results" because if I want web results I'll do my own web search, thank you very much.  I want the Windows Search to stick to searching my machine.

You are never going to get away from the OS asking you for confirmation on certain actions whether you are administrator or not and whether UAC is active or not.  This feature was introduced with Windows 7 because so many people accidentally wiped out all sorts of stuff unintentionally.  All this does is add the "are you sure?" level of check and you get very used to it after a short while (and it has saved my bacon on a couple of occasions over the last decade due to "finger twitch" when I didn't mean to do anything).


Brian
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Re: accessible spreadsheet program using NVDA

Peter Beasley
 

In the documemt formatting section of the NVDA menu, make sure that announce cell co-ordinates is checked.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 12:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible spreadsheet program using NVDA

Hi,


Ok, I am not sure what I was doing wrong before but Libreoffice is now
reading the contents of cells but only if the cell has content in it.


The other pressing issue I am having is that I still can't find a way to
have NVDA announce the cell coordinates(the row and column)
automatically. I'd like to have this done as I move from cell to cell.


Is there a way to do this?


Thanks.


Dan Beaver


On 5/15/2016 2:49 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi again.
libreoffice since version 4.3.0 became accessible and also openoffice
became accessible since version 4.1.0 without need to install java
access briedge.
if you install libreoffice 4.4 or 5.1 you even dont need to press f2
to read the content of your spredsheet.
f2 is only for editing and you can read the content by arrow keys.

On 5/15/16, Kenny Peyattt jr. <p.wildcat1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you tried openoffice?

Kenny Peyatt jr.


On 5/14/2016 8:39 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:
I have been trying to use Libreoffice and have found that spreadsheets
are not that accessible. I can't read the contents of cells without
hittingh f2 and putting the cell in edit mode. I wouldn't exactly
call that accessible. There are other accessibility issues too but
I'll not go through all of them at this time.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver


On 5/14/2016 1:48 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi!
you can use libreoffice without need to purchase!
its open source and accessible.
there website is

www.libreoffice.org

thanks for asking and god bless you.

On 5/14/16, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Dan,

Are all of those PCs still in existence and still running
MS-Excel
(or the MS-Office suite) on them? Most licenses allow you to have
some set
number of machines that are currently operational running the software
you've licensed. If any of those has died, had MS-Office
uninstalled, or
been taken out of commission and gathering dust somewhere you can
request
that Microsoft re-activate the number of licenses that match the
number of
"no longer operational" machines.

You could probably call Microsoft's Disability Services to
get
assistance with this if your situation matches what I've mentioned
above.

Brian
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~ Henry Rosovsky




Re: Something strange in Firefox

Gene
 

I don't know why you received an autoupdate.  I use Firefox portable and that is still using one of the 46 versions.  The portable versions usually come out soon after the installed versions so it should have been out by now.  Also, when I checked, the version Mozilla still refers to in its release notes part of the web site is 46. 
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 3:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox

It depends on which channel you are on. I can easily download 47 from many
sites across the web, so it obviously is out there and it had auto updated
to it which was why I had to intervene when the sounds vanished.
 brain

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ejaz Shah" <eashah67@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


>I don't think Firefox 47 is released yet. Current release version is
>46.0.1.
>
> On 5/14/2016 12:41 PM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
>> Is this 47 again. I had to reinstall 46 a couple of weeks ago and turn
>> off updates as for a staart it was much slower on single core systems and
>> some add ons stopped working correctly, such as navigational sounds
>> I think this new version has some serious bugs to be ironed out, myself,
>> as it also kept failing to go the pages the first time it was told
>> complaining it was not foundd.
>> Obviviously I no longer have it, so cannot comment if this is yet another
>> issue, but I've had no problems since going back.
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
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>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnþór Helgason"
>> <arnthor.helgason@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 11:26 AM
>> Subject: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox
>>
>>
>>> Good morning from sunny Iceland.
>>>
>>> After the most recent updates I have found it impossible to copy the url
>>> of a homepage when I want to include the relevant address in a new
>>> document.
>>>
>>> Previously I used the command alt+d, but it doesn't work anymore in
>>> Firefox. However Internet Explorer and GoogleChrome still have this
>>> command.
>>>
>>>
>>> Any advice?
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Arnthor Helgason
>>>
>>> Phone: +354 8973766
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: Something strange in Firefox

Gene
 

On how many machines?  I know you use more than one.  At this point, with no other comments from others that I recall reporting this problem, we don't know if it is a problem limited to you and one machine or a problem you are having in general.  And if one machine has the problem and others don't, then that suggests a problem you are having with one machine that may not apply to other people or machines.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox

I may need to go back further than 46, as quite a few times recently a page
has been unavailable try again.
 On IE 11 this does not occur.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


Perhaps this is just one more example of frenetically updating with
insufficient testing.  Maybe Firefox should try harder to be firefox and not
try so hard to mimic Chrome as far as updates are concerned.  Chrome breaks
things off and on by the same insistence on updating according to a rigid
schedule whether the updates are important or not.

Gene
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From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 2:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


Just to clarify. The address bar is displayed when this problem occurs.
Everything seems to be as it used to be, but when you paste or type in
something it ignores it and goes back as it was before or complains the page
cannot be found. Its not all the time, but enough to be irritating and with
the other foibles of 47, I decided that my life was easier with an earlier
version, so I over the top installed 46 and the problems including the no
sound issue went away. I then stopped updates.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


F6 is one way but it won't help if the address bar is not being displayed.
There is more than one way to move to the address bar.  I know three.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Chris
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 8:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


its F6




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 13 May 2016 12:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


Try alt l to move to the address bar.  Also, look in the view menu and if
necessary the appropriate submenu to see which tool bars are enabled.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Arnþór Helgason
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 5:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


Good morning from sunny Iceland.

After the most recent updates I have found it impossible to copy the url
of a homepage when I want to include the relevant address in a new document.

Previously I used the command alt+d, but it doesn't work anymore in
Firefox. However Internet Explorer and GoogleChrome still have this command.


Any advice?


Best regards,

Arnthor Helgason

Phone: +354 8973766












Re: accessible spreadsheet program using NVDA

Dan Beaver
 

Hi,


Ok, I am not sure what I was doing wrong before but Libreoffice is now reading the contents of cells but only if the cell has content in it.


The other pressing issue I am having is that I still can't find a way to have NVDA announce the cell coordinates(the row and column) automatically. I'd like to have this done as I move from cell to cell.


Is there a way to do this?


Thanks.


Dan Beaver

On 5/15/2016 2:49 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi again.
libreoffice since version 4.3.0 became accessible and also openoffice
became accessible since version 4.1.0 without need to install java
access briedge.
if you install libreoffice 4.4 or 5.1 you even dont need to press f2
to read the content of your spredsheet.
f2 is only for editing and you can read the content by arrow keys.

On 5/15/16, Kenny Peyattt jr. <p.wildcat1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you tried openoffice?

Kenny Peyatt jr.


On 5/14/2016 8:39 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:
I have been trying to use Libreoffice and have found that spreadsheets
are not that accessible. I can't read the contents of cells without
hittingh f2 and putting the cell in edit mode. I wouldn't exactly
call that accessible. There are other accessibility issues too but
I'll not go through all of them at this time.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver


On 5/14/2016 1:48 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi!
you can use libreoffice without need to purchase!
its open source and accessible.
there website is

www.libreoffice.org

thanks for asking and god bless you.

On 5/14/16, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Dan,

Are all of those PCs still in existence and still running
MS-Excel
(or the MS-Office suite) on them? Most licenses allow you to have
some set
number of machines that are currently operational running the software
you've licensed. If any of those has died, had MS-Office
uninstalled, or
been taken out of commission and gathering dust somewhere you can
request
that Microsoft re-activate the number of licenses that match the
number of
"no longer operational" machines.

You could probably call Microsoft's Disability Services to
get
assistance with this if your situation matches what I've mentioned
above.

Brian
--
Never underestimate the difficulty of changing false beliefs by facts.
~ Henry Rosovsky




Re: accessible spreadsheet program using NVDA

Mr. Wong Chi Wai <cwwong.pro@...>
 

Why not use google docs.


Re: Windows 10 with classic shell again

 

Well I am having issues in 10 with the search, I wander if I can say search apps or just disable online searches entirely it can get confusing.
Then again sometimes windows will find what I want.
Even though I now have a system I can experiment on I still find myself getting round faster in 7 than 10.
And while I can safely see I can turn off some annoyances with the desktop and the lock screen, and even show some sound events for shutdown and logoff and on and such though they don't play I am more likely to have it.
However I may still customise it to emulate 7 though I think I hope I will master more of its default configuration in the coming weeks.

On 15/05/2016 9:04 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Hi still trying to come to terms with win 10.
There are alerts where the text of the message is not spoken and has to
be accessed via one of the navigation modes, all you tend to hear by
default are the buttons. This is quite clearly not a good thing.
It seems to affect things like where access is denied, continue with etc
mostly, though some others have been spotted as well. Is this something
to do with classic shell or is it a known issue on win 10. Also after
following the instructions the other day about moving the UAC slider to
zero, I am still getting denied access to stuff, even though the account
has admin rights. Looking at the permissions and security settings it
seems to be totally incomprehensible fo this human as to what I might
need to alter. What a pity there is no way to get rid of all this stuff
and make it behave like XP when a single user is using it.
It also seems to want network passwords to access it from other
computers, a problem that exists on Windows 7 and up of course as well
as this access denied irritation.
Brian

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Windows 10 with classic shell again

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

Hi still trying to come to terms with win 10.
There are alerts where the text of the message is not spoken and has to be accessed via one of the navigation modes, all you tend to hear by default are the buttons. This is quite clearly not a good thing.
It seems to affect things like where access is denied, continue with etc mostly, though some others have been spotted as well. Is this something to do with classic shell or is it a known issue on win 10. Also after following the instructions the other day about moving the UAC slider to zero, I am still getting denied access to stuff, even though the account has admin rights. Looking at the permissions and security settings it seems to be totally incomprehensible fo this human as to what I might need to alter. What a pity there is no way to get rid of all this stuff and make it behave like XP when a single user is using it.
It also seems to want network passwords to access it from other computers, a problem that exists on Windows 7 and up of course as well as this access denied irritation.
Brian

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Re: Something strange in Firefox

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Id imagine it is a beta. Its not always clear as if you got a beta some time ago, it keeps on updating to the same stream.
My current one after downdating is 46.01.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


Hi Brian,


I have seen a number of references to Firefox 47. I am running 46 now
and I have updates set to automatic. I wonder is this 47 a beta of some
sort? Maybe that's why people are having difficulties. I am running
Windows 8.1 64 bit. Maybe the 47 is for 32 bit???



On 5/14/2016 3:41 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Is this 47 again. I had to reinstall 46 a couple of weeks ago and turn
off updates as for a staart it was much slower on single core systems
and some add ons stopped working correctly, such as navigational sounds
I think this new version has some serious bugs to be ironed out,
myself, as it also kept failing to go the pages the first time it was
told complaining it was not foundd.
Obviviously I no longer have it, so cannot comment if this is yet
another issue, but I've had no problems since going back.
Brian

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<arnthor.helgason@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 11:26 AM
Subject: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


Good morning from sunny Iceland.

After the most recent updates I have found it impossible to copy the
url of a homepage when I want to include the relevant address in a
new document.

Previously I used the command alt+d, but it doesn't work anymore in
Firefox. However Internet Explorer and GoogleChrome still have this
command.


Any advice?


Best regards,

Arnthor Helgason

Phone: +354 8973766







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I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Something strange in Firefox

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

It depends on which channel you are on. I can easily download 47 from many sites across the web, so it obviously is out there and it had auto updated to it which was why I had to intervene when the sounds vanished.
brain

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ejaz Shah" <eashah67@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


I don't think Firefox 47 is released yet. Current release version is 46.0.1.

On 5/14/2016 12:41 PM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Is this 47 again. I had to reinstall 46 a couple of weeks ago and turn off updates as for a staart it was much slower on single core systems and some add ons stopped working correctly, such as navigational sounds
I think this new version has some serious bugs to be ironed out, myself, as it also kept failing to go the pages the first time it was told complaining it was not foundd.
Obviviously I no longer have it, so cannot comment if this is yet another issue, but I've had no problems since going back.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnþór Helgason" <arnthor.helgason@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 11:26 AM
Subject: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


Good morning from sunny Iceland.

After the most recent updates I have found it impossible to copy the url of a homepage when I want to include the relevant address in a new document.

Previously I used the command alt+d, but it doesn't work anymore in Firefox. However Internet Explorer and GoogleChrome still have this command.


Any advice?


Best regards,

Arnthor Helgason

Phone: +354 8973766







Re: embedded object in Firefox

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

Yes that is right, but the most recent flash updates are better than the ones just before them, ie20 I think.
There are also issues in Firefox in all operating systems with the flash object being very slow to actually appear on a page, and often some refreshing is needed to make it come up as far as nvda is concerned. Html5 stuff just plays, but you need a faster machine for this.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] embedded object in Firefox


In your message concerning Flash and html5, which I didn't keep, so I'm writing from my recollection, it appears you said that flash didn't play well in XP. I have never had problems related to XP specifically and Flash. Even on a slow machine, Flash played properly. It's HTML5 that doesn't play well on both of my XP machines and one should certainly be more than fast enough to play HTML5 audio content properly.

Gene
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From: Gene
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 3:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] embedded object in Firefox


Disabling the Flash player may or may not solve the problem. If HTML5 is available from the site, the HTML5 code is usually accessible and will likely allow you to play the audio if the Flash player being used is inaccessible. But just disabling Flash may keep you from listening to audio you want to hear. It depends on whether the site in question supports HTML5 at this time. Many sites do and many don't. I expect there is a way to make HTML the default choice which would allow the site to give you Flash content if necessary. If this option is available, it would be a browser setting or would be made available in a plugin. I don't know enough to comment further. And it should be pointed out that I've tested with two XP machines and HTML audio doesn't play properly even though it's supposed to. It appears that HTML5 isn't properly compatible with XP, at least not at this time and it might never be. I have tested with both Chrome and Firefox with bad results.

Gene
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From: Pete
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 2:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] embedded object in Firefox



I disabled adobe flash player for this vary reason,
I get warnings about flash player being disabled but the audio still
plays,
not sure what is actually playing the audio,
using fire fox 46.0 win 7 64 pro nvda latest.
Pete


On 5/7/2016 10:06 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
Hi,

I found a problem in Firefox when attempting to listen to a sample of an
audio book in the BorrowBox library system. I don't know if this is an NVDA
problem or exclusively a Firefox Flash Player issue. or if Bolinda need to
do something with their Java script. I should mention that the sighted user
has no problem playing the audio sample using a mouse.

I am using Windows 10,, NVDA 2016.1 and Firefox46.1 on a desktop PC.

If List members would like to see the problem for themselves I recommend the
following url:
https://fe.bolindadigital.com/wldcs_bol_fo/b2i/productOverview.html?b2bSite=
4834&browseItemId=366096&fromPage=1
It is not necessary to sign in to sample the reading of a title.

Here is a typical audio book display:

--Start of clip -----------------------
link graphic Railway Viaduct
embedded object unavailable (this should say "Preview" but doesn't!)
Link Reserve
On Loan, Available on 22/05/16
Link Railway Viaduct
Link Edward Marston
Read by Sam Dastor
Crime & Thriller, Historical Fiction
eAudiobook - Unabridged
---end of clip ------------------

The player for the audio sample is activated by an "embedded object" that is
flagged by NVDA as "not being available". The BorrowBox help page advises
that Adobe flash must be active to enable audio sampling of each title. I
have Adobe flash installed and active. For example, I can play any song in
YouTube in Firefox without any problem.

After many weeks of failing to play the preview, I found the following
workaround using NVDA:

From the top of the web page select eAudio if not already selected. Then
press "g" to find a book title. If the next object after pressing
down-arrow once is "embedded Object" then you have an audio book and we can
start.

Here is the full sequence of steps:
1. Press G for the graphic of the book title;
2. Press down-arrow once to the embedded object. You should hear "Embedded
Object not available";
3. Press NVDA + numpad Enter to activate the embedded object. You should
hear "Embedded Object Unavailable Activate";
4. Press right arrow once. You should hear ""Space";
5. Press the space bar to start and stop the sample audio of the narrator
speaking.

If pressing the space bar does not act as a toggle and the enter key does
not do the job either:
6. Press right arrow once;
7. Press space bar or main keyboard enter to play and stop playing the audio
sample.

Can anyone advise what to do about this?
A. Is it an NVDA problem?
B. Is it a Firefox problem?
c. Is it a BorrowBox problem for the developer Bolinda to see to?


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie








Re: Something strange in Firefox

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I may need to go back further than 46, as quite a few times recently a page has been unavailable try again.
On IE 11 this does not occur.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


Perhaps this is just one more example of frenetically updating with insufficient testing. Maybe Firefox should try harder to be firefox and not try so hard to mimic Chrome as far as updates are concerned. Chrome breaks things off and on by the same insistence on updating according to a rigid schedule whether the updates are important or not.

Gene
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From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 2:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


Just to clarify. The address bar is displayed when this problem occurs.
Everything seems to be as it used to be, but when you paste or type in
something it ignores it and goes back as it was before or complains the page
cannot be found. Its not all the time, but enough to be irritating and with
the other foibles of 47, I decided that my life was easier with an earlier
version, so I over the top installed 46 and the problems including the no
sound issue went away. I then stopped updates.
Brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


F6 is one way but it won't help if the address bar is not being displayed.
There is more than one way to move to the address bar. I know three.

Gene
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From: Chris
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 8:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


its F6




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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 13 May 2016 12:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


Try alt l to move to the address bar. Also, look in the view menu and if
necessary the appropriate submenu to see which tool bars are enabled.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Arnþór Helgason
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 5:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


Good morning from sunny Iceland.

After the most recent updates I have found it impossible to copy the url
of a homepage when I want to include the relevant address in a new document.

Previously I used the command alt+d, but it doesn't work anymore in
Firefox. However Internet Explorer and GoogleChrome still have this command.


Any advice?


Best regards,

Arnthor Helgason

Phone: +354 8973766


Re: Fly Outs?

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Its difficult to tell of course as sighted and blind users talk different languages in the main one talks about right and left click and hover while we say tthings like move the carat or use the application or context menu keys which sightees have no apparent concept of. To them its just point and shoot, like playing a game.
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Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fly Outs?


If you single right click the network connection or perhaps double clidk it, you will get a network flyout message, according to my recollection. Your discussion of what happens when you hover the mouse is of a different feature.

Gene
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From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 2:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fly Outs?


I've not seen this. In the system tray of windows 7, if one lingers too long
on the network item, a page or window opens with complete blankness to nvda.
It appears to be some Intel tool which is not accessible. I turned off the
tray icon to stop this. Instead Iuse the normal windows parts of control
panel which do work.
Brian

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From: "Rob" <captinlogic@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fly Outs?


Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
I don't know if the fly out
reference occurs any other times, but this is where i get it in Window
8.1.
I've seen it in Windows 7 too; in the network connections thing. If you
arrow over the network icon in the system tray, you get a network flyout.


Re: accessible spreadsheet program using NVDA

 

hi again.
libreoffice since version 4.3.0 became accessible and also openoffice
became accessible since version 4.1.0 without need to install java
access briedge.
if you install libreoffice 4.4 or 5.1 you even dont need to press f2
to read the content of your spredsheet.
f2 is only for editing and you can read the content by arrow keys.

On 5/15/16, Kenny Peyattt jr. <p.wildcat1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you tried openoffice?

Kenny Peyatt jr.


On 5/14/2016 8:39 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:
I have been trying to use Libreoffice and have found that spreadsheets
are not that accessible. I can't read the contents of cells without
hittingh f2 and putting the cell in edit mode. I wouldn't exactly
call that accessible. There are other accessibility issues too but
I'll not go through all of them at this time.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver


On 5/14/2016 1:48 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi!
you can use libreoffice without need to purchase!
its open source and accessible.
there website is

www.libreoffice.org

thanks for asking and god bless you.

On 5/14/16, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Dan,

Are all of those PCs still in existence and still running
MS-Excel
(or the MS-Office suite) on them? Most licenses allow you to have
some set
number of machines that are currently operational running the software
you've licensed. If any of those has died, had MS-Office
uninstalled, or
been taken out of commission and gathering dust somewhere you can
request
that Microsoft re-activate the number of licenses that match the
number of
"no longer operational" machines.

You could probably call Microsoft's Disability Services to
get
assistance with this if your situation matches what I've mentioned
above.

Brian
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NVDA Tenth Anniversary celebration continues: A Tenth Anniversary Hackathon for summer/winter 2016?

 

Dear members of the NVDA community,

 

As we continue to celebrate NVDA’s tenth anniversary this year, I’d like to propose that we have a hackathon sometime in summer/winter 2016. As we have folks who’d like to learn more about inner workings of NVDA and/or contribute their code to the community, I believe a hackathon (an event dedicated to programming) could serve as an excellent venue to discover talent and foster connections between NV Access, users, supporters and potential developers.

 

The goals of this hackathon are:

·         Discover people with programming talents who have willingness to serve a community and make a difference.

·         Allow the community and outsiders to take charge in shaping NVDA for months and years to come.

·         To say a thank you to NV Access by contributing much needed features into NVDA.

 

Please let me or the NVDACon list know if you are interested in this event – either to participate as a user, a programmer, sponsor or donating (particularly if hardware projects are involved). Also, please promote this idea around the blindness community and programmers so they can get onboard with this idea (this hackathon is an equal opportunity event for blind and sighted).

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Joseph S. Lee

Translator, code contributor and community add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen reader project

Chair, NVDA Tenth Anniversary Planning Committee

Event advisor and former chair, NVDACon International organizers