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Re: New Computer- problems with NVDA response

Monte Single
 

I purchased a used hp computer from amazon  about 8 months ago.  The machine had obviously been reformatted and a new copy  of win 10 pro installed;  there was nothing on the computer beside the win 10 installation;  nothing to do with hp.

I never thought I would  have a branded machine I felt good about.

 

sFrom: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: March-08-20 4:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fwdnew computer- problems with NVDA response

 

Hi Anna.  The problem with PCs that are branded is that they come to us accompanied with bloatware, software that are supposed to tune up these brands and models to work propperly, which is clearly not the case.  More irritating is that they take up resources that you might need, for example, for our screen readers to work properly.  It is unfortunate that PCs are by default made for the sighted market.  I too have a Lenovo, but what I did after I got the pc was to clean format the pc with a new windows 10 installation, totally clean and without any of the annoying bloatware that we obviously can't access and don't need.  My Lenovo runs smoothly after I took that step.  Give it a try to see if it works for you.  Since NVDA is having so much problem helping you access your pc at this moment, you have nothing to lose anyway.  Cheers!

On 3/9/2020 3:51 AM, Anna Givens wrote:

I posted this in the NVDA chat list, and was advised to post it here in the main list:

 

I just got a new computer. Ando had issues with the initial setup, like when the computer first turned on the very first time and it was asking me to get things set up, and it had voice already- I guess it was narrator, it would stop responding and had to keep restarting multiple times. And then when setup process was finished I have had the following issue. Not sure if I should contact someone, and if so who. Or is there something that is just related to NVDA or what. 

Help and ideas are greatly appreciated. I got this computer through Walmart, by the way. 

 

I am pasting the info of the computer I got. And hoping someone could help me figure out what to do. NVDA is installed and I have had problems. A lot of the time NVDA just doesn’t talk or it responds very very slowly, for example I press tab or down arrow on a website, or on desktop or wherever and after 7-8seconds it speaks next line or item... 

also, when this happens I have only one application running, or it’s on desktop and have nothing open.

Ideas??

 

Here’s the computer-

 

Lenovo Ideapad 330s 15.6" Laptop, Windows 10, AMD Ryzen 5 2500U Quad-Core Processor, 8GB Memory, 256GB Storage, Platinum Grey - 81FB00HKUS

Meet the Lenovo IdeaPad 330S. Thinner and lighter with narrow bezels for broader viewing, it boasts state-of-the-art processing and accelerated graphics performance. Featuring an AMD Ryzen 5 2500U Quad-Core processor, Integrated Radeon Vega 8 graphics, 8GB DDR4 2400 MHz RAM (4GB OnBoard + 4GB DIMM) memory, and 256GB PCIe SSD internal storage, this powerful laptop has all the essentials you need to tackle your day. Its 15.6-inch HD IPS LED backlit anti-glare display and Dolby Audio Premium speakers ensure gorgeously sharp images and crystal-clear sound whether you're out at the office or relaxing at home. Plus, with a battery life of up to seven hours, you can take on a whole to-do list before you even need to think about finding the nearest outlet to plug into. Power through any task with ease on the Lenovo IdeaPad 330S.

 

Lenovo Ideapad 330s 15.6" Laptop, Windows 10, AMD Ryzen 5 2500U Quad-Core Processor, 8GB Memory, 256GB Storage, Platinum Grey - 81FB00HKUS:

·        Operating system: Windows 10

·        Processor: AMD Ryzen 5 2500U Quad-Core Processor

·        Display: 15.6" HD IPS LED Backlit Anti-Glare Display

·        Memory: 8GB DDR4 2400 MHz RAM (4GB OnBoard + 4GB DIMM)

·        Internal storage: 256GB PCIe SSD Storage

·        Graphics: Integrated Radeon Vega 8 Graphics

·        Optical Drive: None

·        Battery Life: Up to 7 Hours

·        Audio: 2 x 2W Speakers with Dolby Audio Premium

·        Wireless: 802.11AC Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 4.1 Combo

·        Webcam: Front-Facing HD Webcam with integrated dual array microphone

·        Product weight: 3.96 lbs

·        Color: Platinum Grey

Warnings

Specifications

Processor Type
AMD Ryzen 5

Hard Drive Capacity
256 GB

Condition
New

Processor Speed
2 GHz

manufacturer_part_number
81fb00hkus

Wireless Technology
802.11AC Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 4.1 Combo

RAM Memory
8 GB

Maximum RAM Supported
8 GB

Operating System
Windows 10

Battery Life
7 h

Model
81FB00HKUS

Screen Size
15.6"

Brand
Lenovo

 

 

Thank you all so much.

 

Anna



On Mar 8, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Anna Givens <annajee82@...> wrote:

Thanka so much everybody!

 

I am pasting the info of the computer I got. And hoping someone could help me figure out what to do. NVDA is installed and I have had problems. A lot of the time NVDA just doesn’t talk or it responds very very slowly, for example I press tab or down arrow on a website, or on desktop or wherever and after 7-8 seconds it speaks next line or item...

Ideas??

 

Thank you all so much.

 

Anna


Re: New Computer- problems with NVDA response

Jaffar Sidek
 

Hi Anna.  The problem with PCs that are branded is that they come to us accompanied with bloatware, software that are supposed to tune up these brands and models to work propperly, which is clearly not the case.  More irritating is that they take up resources that you might need, for example, for our screen readers to work properly.  It is unfortunate that PCs are by default made for the sighted market.  I too have a Lenovo, but what I did after I got the pc was to clean format the pc with a new windows 10 installation, totally clean and without any of the annoying bloatware that we obviously can't access and don't need.  My Lenovo runs smoothly after I took that step.  Give it a try to see if it works for you.  Since NVDA is having so much problem helping you access your pc at this moment, you have nothing to lose anyway.  Cheers!

On 3/9/2020 3:51 AM, Anna Givens wrote:
I posted this in the NVDA chat list, and was advised to post it here in the main list:

I just got a new computer. Ando had issues with the initial setup, like when the computer first turned on the very first time and it was asking me to get things set up, and it had voice already- I guess it was narrator, it would stop responding and had to keep restarting multiple times. And then when setup process was finished I have had the following issue. Not sure if I should contact someone, and if so who. Or is there something that is just related to NVDA or what. 
Help and ideas are greatly appreciated. I got this computer through Walmart, by the way. 

I am pasting the info of the computer I got. And hoping someone could help me figure out what to do. NVDA is installed and I have had problems. A lot of the time NVDA just doesn’t talk or it responds very very slowly, for example I press tab or down arrow on a website, or on desktop or wherever and after 7-8seconds it speaks next line or item... 
also, when this happens I have only one application running, or it’s on desktop and have nothing open.
Ideas??

Here’s the computer-

Lenovo Ideapad 330s 15.6" Laptop, Windows 10, AMD Ryzen 5 2500U Quad-Core Processor, 8GB Memory, 256GB Storage, Platinum Grey - 81FB00HKUS

Meet the Lenovo IdeaPad 330S. Thinner and lighter with narrow bezels for broader viewing, it boasts state-of-the-art processing and accelerated graphics performance. Featuring an AMD Ryzen 5 2500U Quad-Core processor, Integrated Radeon Vega 8 graphics, 8GB DDR4 2400 MHz RAM (4GB OnBoard + 4GB DIMM) memory, and 256GB PCIe SSD internal storage, this powerful laptop has all the essentials you need to tackle your day. Its 15.6-inch HD IPS LED backlit anti-glare display and Dolby Audio Premium speakers ensure gorgeously sharp images and crystal-clear sound whether you're out at the office or relaxing at home. Plus, with a battery life of up to seven hours, you can take on a whole to-do list before you even need to think about finding the nearest outlet to plug into. Power through any task with ease on the Lenovo IdeaPad 330S.


Lenovo Ideapad 330s 15.6" Laptop, Windows 10, AMD Ryzen 5 2500U Quad-Core Processor, 8GB Memory, 256GB Storage, Platinum Grey - 81FB00HKUS:

  • Operating system: Windows 10
  • Processor: AMD Ryzen 5 2500U Quad-Core Processor
  • Display: 15.6" HD IPS LED Backlit Anti-Glare Display
  • Memory: 8GB DDR4 2400 MHz RAM (4GB OnBoard + 4GB DIMM)
  • Internal storage: 256GB PCIe SSD Storage
  • Graphics: Integrated Radeon Vega 8 Graphics
  • Optical Drive: None
  • Battery Life: Up to 7 Hours
  • Audio: 2 x 2W Speakers with Dolby Audio Premium
  • Wireless: 802.11AC Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 4.1 Combo
  • Webcam: Front-Facing HD Webcam with integrated dual array microphone
  • Product weight: 3.96 lbs
  • Color: Platinum Grey
Warnings
Arrow
Specifications
Arrow
Processor Type
AMD Ryzen 5

Hard Drive Capacity
256 GB

Condition
New

Processor Speed
2 GHz

manufacturer_part_number
81fb00hkus

Wireless Technology
802.11AC Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 4.1 Combo

RAM Memory
8 GB

Maximum RAM Supported
8 GB

Operating System
Windows 10

Battery Life
7 h

Model
81FB00HKUS

Screen Size
15.6"

Brand
Lenovo


Thank you all so much.

Anna

On Mar 8, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Anna Givens <annajee82@...> wrote:

Thanka so much everybody!

I am pasting the info of the computer I got. And hoping someone could help me figure out what to do. NVDA is installed and I have had problems. A lot of the time NVDA just doesn’t talk or it responds very very slowly, for example I press tab or down arrow on a website, or on desktop or wherever and after 7-8 seconds it speaks next line or item...
Ideas??

Thank you all so much.

Anna


Re: New Computer- problems with NVDA response

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Some times when stuff like that happens your sound enhancements might be turned on and in most cases turning it off fixes these problems.


I copied and pasted this from my website check to see if it is on then turn it off. this was done on a windows 10 machine 1909 but should be similar in earlier versions?


Disabling sound enhancements in Windows
Sometimes when there is an update for Windows, you may hear a buzzing sound (and other strange noises) from the computer while using NVDA.

If this is the case, you will need to turn off sound enhancements in Windows for your sound card. The steps to turn it off may be similar for other Windows 10 computers.

Press the Windows key, and in the search box type sound settings. When it comes up with this result, press the Enter key. The first option might say Choose your output device Speakers (High Definition Audio Device). Next, tab once to device properties, then press the Enter key. The next screen that comes up will say home. If you tab about 7 times you will then hear NVDA say Additional device properties. Press the enter key.

The next screen should come up with speaker properties. Shift tab back once or twice - until you hear NVDA say General. There are 5 tabs there. Use your right arrow key to get to the enhancements tab, then tab a couple of times until you hear NVDA say Disable all enhancements. This should be a check box. Please note, in some cases, after you tab once (after the enhancements tab) you might need to arrow down or tab to locate the disable all enhancements checkbox. You will hear other stuff for the sound card being spoken out, but they can be left unchecked. You will need to tab to hear the "disable enhancements" checkbox if you arrowed down the list of enhancements and check the checkbox with the Spacebar. You will then need to apply and ok your changes with the Spacebar.

Now, those weird buzzing sounds etcetera should be gone!
 


Gene nz


On 9/03/2020 8:51 am, Anna Givens wrote:
I posted this in the NVDA chat list, and was advised to post it here in the main list:

I just got a new computer. Ando had issues with the initial setup, like when the computer first turned on the very first time and it was asking me to get things set up, and it had voice already- I guess it was narrator, it would stop responding and had to keep restarting multiple times. And then when setup process was finished I have had the following issue. Not sure if I should contact someone, and if so who. Or is there something that is just related to NVDA or what. 
Help and ideas are greatly appreciated. I got this computer through Walmart, by the way. 

I am pasting the info of the computer I got. And hoping someone could help me figure out what to do. NVDA is installed and I have had problems. A lot of the time NVDA just doesn’t talk or it responds very very slowly, for example I press tab or down arrow on a website, or on desktop or wherever and after 7-8seconds it speaks next line or item... 
also, when this happens I have only one application running, or it’s on desktop and have nothing open.
Ideas??

Here’s the computer-

Lenovo Ideapad 330s 15.6" Laptop, Windows 10, AMD Ryzen 5 2500U Quad-Core Processor, 8GB Memory, 256GB Storage, Platinum Grey - 81FB00HKUS

Meet the Lenovo IdeaPad 330S. Thinner and lighter with narrow bezels for broader viewing, it boasts state-of-the-art processing and accelerated graphics performance. Featuring an AMD Ryzen 5 2500U Quad-Core processor, Integrated Radeon Vega 8 graphics, 8GB DDR4 2400 MHz RAM (4GB OnBoard + 4GB DIMM) memory, and 256GB PCIe SSD internal storage, this powerful laptop has all the essentials you need to tackle your day. Its 15.6-inch HD IPS LED backlit anti-glare display and Dolby Audio Premium speakers ensure gorgeously sharp images and crystal-clear sound whether you're out at the office or relaxing at home. Plus, with a battery life of up to seven hours, you can take on a whole to-do list before you even need to think about finding the nearest outlet to plug into. Power through any task with ease on the Lenovo IdeaPad 330S.


Lenovo Ideapad 330s 15.6" Laptop, Windows 10, AMD Ryzen 5 2500U Quad-Core Processor, 8GB Memory, 256GB Storage, Platinum Grey - 81FB00HKUS:

  • Operating system: Windows 10
  • Processor: AMD Ryzen 5 2500U Quad-Core Processor
  • Display: 15.6" HD IPS LED Backlit Anti-Glare Display
  • Memory: 8GB DDR4 2400 MHz RAM (4GB OnBoard + 4GB DIMM)
  • Internal storage: 256GB PCIe SSD Storage
  • Graphics: Integrated Radeon Vega 8 Graphics
  • Optical Drive: None
  • Battery Life: Up to 7 Hours
  • Audio: 2 x 2W Speakers with Dolby Audio Premium
  • Wireless: 802.11AC Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 4.1 Combo
  • Webcam: Front-Facing HD Webcam with integrated dual array microphone
  • Product weight: 3.96 lbs
  • Color: Platinum Grey
Warnings
Arrow
Specifications
Arrow
Processor Type
AMD Ryzen 5

Hard Drive Capacity
256 GB

Condition
New

Processor Speed
2 GHz

manufacturer_part_number
81fb00hkus

Wireless Technology
802.11AC Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 4.1 Combo

RAM Memory
8 GB

Maximum RAM Supported
8 GB

Operating System
Windows 10

Battery Life
7 h

Model
81FB00HKUS

Screen Size
15.6"

Brand
Lenovo


Thank you all so much.

Anna

On Mar 8, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Anna Givens <annajee82@...> wrote:

Thanka so much everybody!

I am pasting the info of the computer I got. And hoping someone could help me figure out what to do. NVDA is installed and I have had problems. A lot of the time NVDA just doesn’t talk or it responds very very slowly, for example I press tab or down arrow on a website, or on desktop or wherever and after 7-8 seconds it speaks next line or item...
Ideas??

Thank you all so much.

Anna


Re: New Computer- problems with NVDA response

Anna Givens
 

I just bought the subscription for McAfee, so not wanting to take it off. Why would I need to?
Also, as far as I know Narrator is not running, only NVDA. There’s only one voice that speaks anyway
I don’t know what an add-on is so unless they install when you install NVDA, I don’t have any.
I don’t use my computer with the screen off as I have some vision and watch shows or sometimes look at something like a picture, etc.
So I appreciate your recommendations. But it seems like those things may not work for me.

Thanks for your help.
Anna

On Mar 8, 2020, at 4:30 PM, Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:

Hello, Anna. I actually just finished working w/1 of those machines,
except the client had the 13in display as opposed to the 15in 1, & it
works splendidly. She absolutely loves it!

I did, however, make a few changes.

First, please ensure that Narrator & NVDA are not running
concurrently, especially if they're both set to use the same voice,
but it really is better to disable Narrator.

2nd, these machines all come w/Mcafee installed. My recommendation is
that you get rid of it ASAP--& install Windows Defender in its place.
You can get a removal tool from:
http://us.mcafee.com/apps/supporttools/mcpr/mcpr.asp
It says to remove it via control panel first, but the uninstaller is
totally inaccessible, & it works to just use it w/o going thru the
hassle of trying to get sighted help.

3rd, the only Lenovo program I left to start up at boot time was the
utility program, & I'm not even sure it's worth that. I didn't
uninstall these programs, but rather set their services to run
manually as opposed to automatically. That way, I can check for
updates if required.

Of course--& this is standard procedure for me every time I set up a
computer for a blind client--I go into Ease of Access Center & click
the link that says "use the computer without a display". This tends to
turn off all unnecessary annimations, etc, but you may wish to check
that they were all turned off by going into the system applet of
control panel & then clicking 'advanced settings' & then
'performance'.

Lastly, be certain you're not using any NVDA addons at this point, &,
if you are, then please disable them & see if that works if these
other measures don't. If that proves to be a problem, then you can try
readding them 1 by 1 until the culprit causes the machine to bog down
again.

HTH. Good luck.

On 3/8/20, Anna Givens <annajee82@...> wrote:
I posted this in the NVDA chat list, and was advised to post it here in the
main list:

I just got a new computer. Ando had issues with the initial setup, like when
the computer first turned on the very first time and it was asking me to get
things set up, and it had voice already- I guess it was narrator, it would
stop responding and had to keep restarting multiple times. And then when
setup process was finished I have had the following issue. Not sure if I
should contact someone, and if so who. Or is there something that is just
related to NVDA or what.
Help and ideas are greatly appreciated. I got this computer through Walmart,
by the way.

I am pasting the info of the computer I got. And hoping someone could help
me figure out what to do. NVDA is installed and I have had problems. A lot
of the time NVDA just doesn’t talk or it responds very very slowly, for
example I press tab or down arrow on a website, or on desktop or wherever
and after 7-8seconds it speaks next line or item...
also, when this happens I have only one application running, or it’s on
desktop and have nothing open.
Ideas??

Here’s the computer-

Lenovo Ideapad 330s 15.6" Laptop, Windows 10, AMD Ryzen 5 2500U Quad-Core
Processor, 8GB Memory, 256GB Storage, Platinum Grey - 81FB00HKUS
Meet the Lenovo IdeaPad 330S. Thinner and lighter with narrow bezels for
broader viewing, it boasts state-of-the-art processing and accelerated
graphics performance. Featuring an AMD Ryzen 5 2500U Quad-Core processor,
Integrated Radeon Vega 8 graphics, 8GB DDR4 2400 MHz RAM (4GB OnBoard +
4GB DIMM) memory, and 256GB PCIe SSD internal storage, this powerful
laptop has all the essentials you need to tackle your day. Its 15.6-inch
HD IPS LED backlit anti-glare display and Dolby Audio Premium speakers
ensure gorgeously sharp images and crystal-clear sound whether you're out
at the office or relaxing at home. Plus, with a battery life of up to
seven hours, you can take on a whole to-do list before you even need to
think about finding the nearest outlet to plug into. Power through any
task with ease on the Lenovo IdeaPad 330S.


Lenovo Ideapad 330s 15.6" Laptop, Windows 10, AMD Ryzen 5 2500U Quad-Core
Processor, 8GB Memory, 256GB Storage, Platinum Grey - 81FB00HKUS:

Operating system: Windows 10
Processor: AMD Ryzen 5 2500U Quad-Core Processor
Display: 15.6" HD IPS LED Backlit Anti-Glare Display
Memory: 8GB DDR4 2400 MHz RAM (4GB OnBoard + 4GB DIMM)
Internal storage: 256GB PCIe SSD Storage
Graphics: Integrated Radeon Vega 8 Graphics
Optical Drive: None
Battery Life: Up to 7 Hours
Audio: 2 x 2W Speakers with Dolby Audio Premium
Wireless: 802.11AC Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 4.1 Combo
Webcam: Front-Facing HD Webcam with integrated dual array microphone
Product weight: 3.96 lbs
Color: Platinum Grey
Warnings
Specifications
Processor Type
AMD Ryzen 5

Hard Drive Capacity
256 GB

Condition
New

Processor Speed
2 GHz

manufacturer_part_number
81fb00hkus

Wireless Technology
802.11AC Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 4.1 Combo

RAM Memory
8 GB

Maximum RAM Supported
8 GB

Operating System
Windows 10

Battery Life
7 h

Model
81FB00HKUS

Screen Size
15.6"

Brand
Lenovo


Thank you all so much.

Anna

On Mar 8, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Anna Givens <annajee82@...> wrote:
Thanka so much everybody!

I am pasting the info of the computer I got. And hoping someone could
help me figure out what to do. NVDA is installed and I have had problems.
A lot of the time NVDA just doesn’t talk or it responds very very slowly,
for example I press tab or down arrow on a website, or on desktop or
wherever and after 7-8 seconds it speaks next line or item...
Ideas??

Thank you all so much.

Anna



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Re: Dropbox and MS Word templates.

 

I havn't had issues with dropbox and office, dropbox does update in the background

Then again I don't run dropbox unless I need to put something in it.

Technically most of my dropbox folders are not even updated now but I do have a radio station, and 2 shared computer folders setup for low traffic servicing.

Bar my own personal backups of some content its not much and I don't personally use office though my dad has both dropbox and google drive.

I have contemplated keybase though as it seems an interesting thing.

With 250gb default for free, with optional encription especially with public semi ftp access for public things and private things to, you could seriously use it as a repository.

Now if there was a way to use keybase as a blog or something hmm.

I right now have a podcast on mixcloud and anchor but I don't particularly like the accessibility of either platform at least online.

Keybase may be a good place to put backups and ffiles for those that just want them though as I said I havn't tried it.

I currently use a free domain redirect through cutt which works though I realise I am relying on several cloud services for my content and security and not just 1 place.


On 9/03/2020 10:16 am, Arlene wrote:

Boy! Sounds like you had one heck of a tech headache!  I’m glad you got it all sorted out.  Some of these addons can be a pain in the but. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Robert Kingett
Sent: March 8, 2020 1:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Dropbox and MS Word templates.

 

TLDR: Removing Dropbox fixes a Microsoft word problem where Dropbox would make changes to templates in the backround.

Since I scared a few people in this coffee shop, including a very dashing African American man, after whooping for joy at my discovery, I’d thought I’d share it here. First, the scenario.

The problem.

Whenever working on a template based off this macro enabled manuscript template, no matter what file type I saved the document in, I kept getting this random dialog box that would pop up. The dialog box read; would you also like to save changes to the document template? Even though I was working in a DOCX file, not the template. Every time, I hit no. Still, it kept popping up at random times. It aggravated me so much I even tried asking my literary agent if she had this same problem when working on my books. She said she didn't. Fine, I thought. It was time to go hunting.

Microsoft Office support.

To make an extremely long story short, they weren't helpful. This is after trying them for weeks After I explained the problem to dozens of supervisors, they kept trying to route me to the disability answer desk. When, I didn't have an accessibility problem, I had a technical problem. The disability answer desk said I had a very complex problem and then routed me back to Office support. One supervisor at Office support said I needed a macro reader. I explained that didn't make any sense at all, because the macros I created were saved in the template, in word, so they should work fine. They still insisted I needed a macro reader. After trying a few more Office supervisors, who all told me that I needed a macro reader, I turned to the web.

Ever closer.

The web all said it was a Bluetooth add in that was causing the problem, when other, sighted, users would randomly see the same dialog box pop up when they were working on a document. I learned this is because the Bluetooth add in for Microsoft Office was making changes to the template in the background.

Even though I didn't have the Bluetooth add in installed, I began looking for an add in that would mess with stuff in the background. I also assumed this add on was working for all word programs because this was also happening on excel documents as well. I noticed an add on that I didn't notice before. Drop box.

Trying to get rid of dropbox.

Seriously, I don't understand why this thing is so hard to get rid of. The add in, not the actual program. I tried disabling the add in. It didn't work. I tried completely removing and installing office again, even deleting leftover files and registry items. It didn't work. It still had the add in when I installed Office again. I tried navigating to the path and deleting the DLL file. Maybe if it couldn't find its file, it wouldn't start. It created a backup. I deleted the backup DLL file. It still worked the next time I booted up word.

I then finally, completely, removed Drop box from my system. Problem fixed. The add in didn't magically appear, nor install itself. I tried moving my portable apps to one drive, but one drive isn't made for portable programs, I'm learning. It syncs incredibly slow for file types other than text files. This isn't good for email clients like Thunderbird. It also takes forever to update program folders.

After apologizing to my friends that I've shared folders with, I deactivated drop box on this work computer.

I moved all my documents to OneDrive. Couldn't be happier. No system limitations. No activation limitations, as far as I can tell. And, it syncs really fast when I boot up my other writing laptops. Lastly, my literary agent is happy. She uses it and Google Drive. Best part? It doesn’t push program add ins at you every few days. Others will have no clue drop box has a word add in. I don't know how it installed to begin with. I certainly didn't authorize it, and I'm pretty tech savvy, even though I can't code to save my life.

 


Re: Dropbox and MS Word templates.

Arlene
 

Boy! Sounds like you had one heck of a tech headache!  I’m glad you got it all sorted out.  Some of these addons can be a pain in the but. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Robert Kingett
Sent: March 8, 2020 1:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Dropbox and MS Word templates.

 

TLDR: Removing Dropbox fixes a Microsoft word problem where Dropbox would make changes to templates in the backround.

Since I scared a few people in this coffee shop, including a very dashing African American man, after whooping for joy at my discovery, I’d thought I’d share it here. First, the scenario.

The problem.

Whenever working on a template based off this macro enabled manuscript template, no matter what file type I saved the document in, I kept getting this random dialog box that would pop up. The dialog box read; would you also like to save changes to the document template? Even though I was working in a DOCX file, not the template. Every time, I hit no. Still, it kept popping up at random times. It aggravated me so much I even tried asking my literary agent if she had this same problem when working on my books. She said she didn't. Fine, I thought. It was time to go hunting.

Microsoft Office support.

To make an extremely long story short, they weren't helpful. This is after trying them for weeks After I explained the problem to dozens of supervisors, they kept trying to route me to the disability answer desk. When, I didn't have an accessibility problem, I had a technical problem. The disability answer desk said I had a very complex problem and then routed me back to Office support. One supervisor at Office support said I needed a macro reader. I explained that didn't make any sense at all, because the macros I created were saved in the template, in word, so they should work fine. They still insisted I needed a macro reader. After trying a few more Office supervisors, who all told me that I needed a macro reader, I turned to the web.

Ever closer.

The web all said it was a Bluetooth add in that was causing the problem, when other, sighted, users would randomly see the same dialog box pop up when they were working on a document. I learned this is because the Bluetooth add in for Microsoft Office was making changes to the template in the background.

Even though I didn't have the Bluetooth add in installed, I began looking for an add in that would mess with stuff in the background. I also assumed this add on was working for all word programs because this was also happening on excel documents as well. I noticed an add on that I didn't notice before. Drop box.

Trying to get rid of dropbox.

Seriously, I don't understand why this thing is so hard to get rid of. The add in, not the actual program. I tried disabling the add in. It didn't work. I tried completely removing and installing office again, even deleting leftover files and registry items. It didn't work. It still had the add in when I installed Office again. I tried navigating to the path and deleting the DLL file. Maybe if it couldn't find its file, it wouldn't start. It created a backup. I deleted the backup DLL file. It still worked the next time I booted up word.

I then finally, completely, removed Drop box from my system. Problem fixed. The add in didn't magically appear, nor install itself. I tried moving my portable apps to one drive, but one drive isn't made for portable programs, I'm learning. It syncs incredibly slow for file types other than text files. This isn't good for email clients like Thunderbird. It also takes forever to update program folders.

After apologizing to my friends that I've shared folders with, I deactivated drop box on this work computer.

I moved all my documents to OneDrive. Couldn't be happier. No system limitations. No activation limitations, as far as I can tell. And, it syncs really fast when I boot up my other writing laptops. Lastly, my literary agent is happy. She uses it and Google Drive. Best part? It doesn’t push program add ins at you every few days. Others will have no clue drop box has a word add in. I don't know how it installed to begin with. I certainly didn't authorize it, and I'm pretty tech savvy, even though I can't code to save my life.

 


Re: New Computer- problems with NVDA response

Jackie
 

Hello, Anna. I actually just finished working w/1 of those machines,
except the client had the 13in display as opposed to the 15in 1, & it
works splendidly. She absolutely loves it!

I did, however, make a few changes.

First, please ensure that Narrator & NVDA are not running
concurrently, especially if they're both set to use the same voice,
but it really is better to disable Narrator.

2nd, these machines all come w/Mcafee installed. My recommendation is
that you get rid of it ASAP--& install Windows Defender in its place.
You can get a removal tool from:
http://us.mcafee.com/apps/supporttools/mcpr/mcpr.asp
It says to remove it via control panel first, but the uninstaller is
totally inaccessible, & it works to just use it w/o going thru the
hassle of trying to get sighted help.

3rd, the only Lenovo program I left to start up at boot time was the
utility program, & I'm not even sure it's worth that. I didn't
uninstall these programs, but rather set their services to run
manually as opposed to automatically. That way, I can check for
updates if required.

Of course--& this is standard procedure for me every time I set up a
computer for a blind client--I go into Ease of Access Center & click
the link that says "use the computer without a display". This tends to
turn off all unnecessary annimations, etc, but you may wish to check
that they were all turned off by going into the system applet of
control panel & then clicking 'advanced settings' & then
'performance'.

Lastly, be certain you're not using any NVDA addons at this point, &,
if you are, then please disable them & see if that works if these
other measures don't. If that proves to be a problem, then you can try
readding them 1 by 1 until the culprit causes the machine to bog down
again.

HTH. Good luck.

On 3/8/20, Anna Givens <annajee82@...> wrote:
I posted this in the NVDA chat list, and was advised to post it here in the
main list:

I just got a new computer. Ando had issues with the initial setup, like when
the computer first turned on the very first time and it was asking me to get
things set up, and it had voice already- I guess it was narrator, it would
stop responding and had to keep restarting multiple times. And then when
setup process was finished I have had the following issue. Not sure if I
should contact someone, and if so who. Or is there something that is just
related to NVDA or what.
Help and ideas are greatly appreciated. I got this computer through Walmart,
by the way.

I am pasting the info of the computer I got. And hoping someone could help
me figure out what to do. NVDA is installed and I have had problems. A lot
of the time NVDA just doesn’t talk or it responds very very slowly, for
example I press tab or down arrow on a website, or on desktop or wherever
and after 7-8seconds it speaks next line or item...
also, when this happens I have only one application running, or it’s on
desktop and have nothing open.
Ideas??

Here’s the computer-

Lenovo Ideapad 330s 15.6" Laptop, Windows 10, AMD Ryzen 5 2500U Quad-Core
Processor, 8GB Memory, 256GB Storage, Platinum Grey - 81FB00HKUS
Meet the Lenovo IdeaPad 330S. Thinner and lighter with narrow bezels for
broader viewing, it boasts state-of-the-art processing and accelerated
graphics performance. Featuring an AMD Ryzen 5 2500U Quad-Core processor,
Integrated Radeon Vega 8 graphics, 8GB DDR4 2400 MHz RAM (4GB OnBoard +
4GB DIMM) memory, and 256GB PCIe SSD internal storage, this powerful
laptop has all the essentials you need to tackle your day. Its 15.6-inch
HD IPS LED backlit anti-glare display and Dolby Audio Premium speakers
ensure gorgeously sharp images and crystal-clear sound whether you're out
at the office or relaxing at home. Plus, with a battery life of up to
seven hours, you can take on a whole to-do list before you even need to
think about finding the nearest outlet to plug into. Power through any
task with ease on the Lenovo IdeaPad 330S.


Lenovo Ideapad 330s 15.6" Laptop, Windows 10, AMD Ryzen 5 2500U Quad-Core
Processor, 8GB Memory, 256GB Storage, Platinum Grey - 81FB00HKUS:

Operating system: Windows 10
Processor: AMD Ryzen 5 2500U Quad-Core Processor
Display: 15.6" HD IPS LED Backlit Anti-Glare Display
Memory: 8GB DDR4 2400 MHz RAM (4GB OnBoard + 4GB DIMM)
Internal storage: 256GB PCIe SSD Storage
Graphics: Integrated Radeon Vega 8 Graphics
Optical Drive: None
Battery Life: Up to 7 Hours
Audio: 2 x 2W Speakers with Dolby Audio Premium
Wireless: 802.11AC Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 4.1 Combo
Webcam: Front-Facing HD Webcam with integrated dual array microphone
Product weight: 3.96 lbs
Color: Platinum Grey
Warnings
Specifications
Processor Type
AMD Ryzen 5

Hard Drive Capacity
256 GB

Condition
New

Processor Speed
2 GHz

manufacturer_part_number
81fb00hkus

Wireless Technology
802.11AC Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 4.1 Combo

RAM Memory
8 GB

Maximum RAM Supported
8 GB

Operating System
Windows 10

Battery Life
7 h

Model
81FB00HKUS

Screen Size
15.6"

Brand
Lenovo


Thank you all so much.

Anna

On Mar 8, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Anna Givens <annajee82@...> wrote:
Thanka so much everybody!

I am pasting the info of the computer I got. And hoping someone could
help me figure out what to do. NVDA is installed and I have had problems.
A lot of the time NVDA just doesn’t talk or it responds very very slowly,
for example I press tab or down arrow on a website, or on desktop or
wherever and after 7-8 seconds it speaks next line or item...
Ideas??

Thank you all so much.

Anna


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Re: Dropbox and MS Word templates.

Sarah k Alawami
 

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On 8 Mar 2020, at 13:05, Robert Kingett wrote:

TLDR: Removing Dropbox fixes a Microsoft word problem where Dropbox would make changes to templates in the backround.

Since I scared a few people in this coffee shop, including a very dashing African American man, after whooping for joy at my discovery, I’d thought I’d share it here. First, the scenario.

The problem.

Whenever working on a template based off this macro enabled manuscript template, no matter what file type I saved the document in, I kept getting this random dialog box that would pop up. The dialog box read; would you also like to save changes to the document template? Even though I was working in a DOCX file, not the template. Every time, I hit no. Still, it kept popping up at random times. It aggravated me so much I even tried asking my literary agent if she had this same problem when working on my books. She said she didn't. Fine, I thought. It was time to go hunting.

Microsoft Office support.

To make an extremely long story short, they weren't helpful. This is after trying them for weeks After I explained the problem to dozens of supervisors, they kept trying to route me to the disability answer desk. When, I didn't have an accessibility problem, I had a technical problem. The disability answer desk said I had a very complex problem and then routed me back to Office support. One supervisor at Office support said I needed a macro reader. I explained that didn't make any sense at all, because the macros I created were saved in the template, in word, so they should work fine. They still insisted I needed a macro reader. After trying a few more Office supervisors, who all told me that I needed a macro reader, I turned to the web.

Ever closer.

The web all said it was a Bluetooth add in that was causing the problem, when other, sighted, users would randomly see the same dialog box pop up when they were working on a document. I learned this is because the Bluetooth add in for Microsoft Office was making changes to the template in the background.

Even though I didn't have the Bluetooth add in installed, I began looking for an add in that would mess with stuff in the background. I also assumed this add on was working for all word programs because this was also happening on excel documents as well. I noticed an add on that I didn't notice before. Drop box.

Trying to get rid of dropbox.

Seriously, I don't understand why this thing is so hard to get rid of. The add in, not the actual program. I tried disabling the add in. It didn't work. I tried completely removing and installing office again, even deleting leftover files and registry items. It didn't work. It still had the add in when I installed Office again. I tried navigating to the path and deleting the DLL file. Maybe if it couldn't find its file, it wouldn't start. It created a backup. I deleted the backup DLL file. It still worked the next time I booted up word.

I then finally, completely, removed Drop box from my system. Problem fixed. The add in didn't magically appear, nor install itself. I tried moving my portable apps to one drive, but one drive isn't made for portable programs, I'm learning. It syncs incredibly slow for file types other than text files. This isn't good for email clients like Thunderbird. It also takes forever to update program folders.

After apologizing to my friends that I've shared folders with, I deactivated drop box on this work computer.

I moved all my documents to OneDrive. Couldn't be happier. No system limitations. No activation limitations, as far as I can tell. And, it syncs really fast when I boot up my other writing laptops. Lastly, my literary agent is happy. She uses it and Google Drive. Best part? It doesn’t push program add ins at you every few days. Others will have no clue drop box has a word add in. I don't know how it installed to begin with. I certainly didn't authorize it, and I'm pretty tech savvy, even though I can't code to save my life.


Dropbox and MS Word templates.

 

TLDR: Removing Dropbox fixes a Microsoft word problem where Dropbox would make changes to templates in the backround.

Since I scared a few people in this coffee shop, including a very dashing African American man, after whooping for joy at my discovery, I’d thought I’d share it here. First, the scenario.

The problem.

Whenever working on a template based off this macro enabled manuscript template, no matter what file type I saved the document in, I kept getting this random dialog box that would pop up. The dialog box read; would you also like to save changes to the document template? Even though I was working in a DOCX file, not the template. Every time, I hit no. Still, it kept popping up at random times. It aggravated me so much I even tried asking my literary agent if she had this same problem when working on my books. She said she didn't. Fine, I thought. It was time to go hunting.

Microsoft Office support.

To make an extremely long story short, they weren't helpful. This is after trying them for weeks After I explained the problem to dozens of supervisors, they kept trying to route me to the disability answer desk. When, I didn't have an accessibility problem, I had a technical problem. The disability answer desk said I had a very complex problem and then routed me back to Office support. One supervisor at Office support said I needed a macro reader. I explained that didn't make any sense at all, because the macros I created were saved in the template, in word, so they should work fine. They still insisted I needed a macro reader. After trying a few more Office supervisors, who all told me that I needed a macro reader, I turned to the web.

Ever closer.

The web all said it was a Bluetooth add in that was causing the problem, when other, sighted, users would randomly see the same dialog box pop up when they were working on a document. I learned this is because the Bluetooth add in for Microsoft Office was making changes to the template in the background.

Even though I didn't have the Bluetooth add in installed, I began looking for an add in that would mess with stuff in the background. I also assumed this add on was working for all word programs because this was also happening on excel documents as well. I noticed an add on that I didn't notice before. Drop box.

Trying to get rid of dropbox.

Seriously, I don't understand why this thing is so hard to get rid of. The add in, not the actual program. I tried disabling the add in. It didn't work. I tried completely removing and installing office again, even deleting leftover files and registry items. It didn't work. It still had the add in when I installed Office again. I tried navigating to the path and deleting the DLL file. Maybe if it couldn't find its file, it wouldn't start. It created a backup. I deleted the backup DLL file. It still worked the next time I booted up word.

I then finally, completely, removed Drop box from my system. Problem fixed. The add in didn't magically appear, nor install itself. I tried moving my portable apps to one drive, but one drive isn't made for portable programs, I'm learning. It syncs incredibly slow for file types other than text files. This isn't good for email clients like Thunderbird. It also takes forever to update program folders.

After apologizing to my friends that I've shared folders with, I deactivated drop box on this work computer.

I moved all my documents to OneDrive. Couldn't be happier. No system limitations. No activation limitations, as far as I can tell. And, it syncs really fast when I boot up my other writing laptops. Lastly, my literary agent is happy. She uses it and Google Drive. Best part? It doesn’t push program add ins at you every few days. Others will have no clue drop box has a word add in. I don't know how it installed to begin with. I certainly didn't authorize it, and I'm pretty tech savvy, even though I can't code to save my life.


New Computer- problems with NVDA response

Anna Givens
 

I posted this in the NVDA chat list, and was advised to post it here in the main list:

I just got a new computer. Ando had issues with the initial setup, like when the computer first turned on the very first time and it was asking me to get things set up, and it had voice already- I guess it was narrator, it would stop responding and had to keep restarting multiple times. And then when setup process was finished I have had the following issue. Not sure if I should contact someone, and if so who. Or is there something that is just related to NVDA or what. 
Help and ideas are greatly appreciated. I got this computer through Walmart, by the way. 

I am pasting the info of the computer I got. And hoping someone could help me figure out what to do. NVDA is installed and I have had problems. A lot of the time NVDA just doesn’t talk or it responds very very slowly, for example I press tab or down arrow on a website, or on desktop or wherever and after 7-8seconds it speaks next line or item... 
also, when this happens I have only one application running, or it’s on desktop and have nothing open.
Ideas??

Here’s the computer-

Lenovo Ideapad 330s 15.6" Laptop, Windows 10, AMD Ryzen 5 2500U Quad-Core Processor, 8GB Memory, 256GB Storage, Platinum Grey - 81FB00HKUS

Meet the Lenovo IdeaPad 330S. Thinner and lighter with narrow bezels for broader viewing, it boasts state-of-the-art processing and accelerated graphics performance. Featuring an AMD Ryzen 5 2500U Quad-Core processor, Integrated Radeon Vega 8 graphics, 8GB DDR4 2400 MHz RAM (4GB OnBoard + 4GB DIMM) memory, and 256GB PCIe SSD internal storage, this powerful laptop has all the essentials you need to tackle your day. Its 15.6-inch HD IPS LED backlit anti-glare display and Dolby Audio Premium speakers ensure gorgeously sharp images and crystal-clear sound whether you're out at the office or relaxing at home. Plus, with a battery life of up to seven hours, you can take on a whole to-do list before you even need to think about finding the nearest outlet to plug into. Power through any task with ease on the Lenovo IdeaPad 330S.


Lenovo Ideapad 330s 15.6" Laptop, Windows 10, AMD Ryzen 5 2500U Quad-Core Processor, 8GB Memory, 256GB Storage, Platinum Grey - 81FB00HKUS:

  • Operating system: Windows 10
  • Processor: AMD Ryzen 5 2500U Quad-Core Processor
  • Display: 15.6" HD IPS LED Backlit Anti-Glare Display
  • Memory: 8GB DDR4 2400 MHz RAM (4GB OnBoard + 4GB DIMM)
  • Internal storage: 256GB PCIe SSD Storage
  • Graphics: Integrated Radeon Vega 8 Graphics
  • Optical Drive: None
  • Battery Life: Up to 7 Hours
  • Audio: 2 x 2W Speakers with Dolby Audio Premium
  • Wireless: 802.11AC Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 4.1 Combo
  • Webcam: Front-Facing HD Webcam with integrated dual array microphone
  • Product weight: 3.96 lbs
  • Color: Platinum Grey

Warnings
Arrow
Specifications
Arrow
Processor Type
AMD Ryzen 5

Hard Drive Capacity
256 GB

Condition
New

Processor Speed
2 GHz

manufacturer_part_number
81fb00hkus

Wireless Technology
802.11AC Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 4.1 Combo

RAM Memory
8 GB

Maximum RAM Supported
8 GB

Operating System
Windows 10

Battery Life
7 h

Model
81FB00HKUS

Screen Size
15.6"

Brand
Lenovo


Thank you all so much.

Anna

On Mar 8, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Anna Givens <annajee82@...> wrote:

Thanka so much everybody!

I am pasting the info of the computer I got. And hoping someone could help me figure out what to do. NVDA is installed and I have had problems. A lot of the time NVDA just doesn’t talk or it responds very very slowly, for example I press tab or down arrow on a website, or on desktop or wherever and after 7-8 seconds it speaks next line or item...
Ideas??

Thank you all so much.

Anna


I think NVDA has a memory leak or something

Dan Beaver
 

I am running 2019.3 on a windows 10 laptop. 


I was jumping around in some Firefox pages and had been doing so for about 30 minutes or so.  I went through a lot of pages.


After a while my system suddenly became very sluggish and then almost locked up.  It also started blowing more hot air than usual and I had to power down and reboot to get it to straighten up.  It is running cool again and no sluggishness.


Any thoughts?



-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: Sentence nav: I can not read the previous sentence in some documents using notepad ++

Daniel Damacena
 

I am sure I am using object review.

As I said, the previous version does not behave that way, so it seems to be a problem related to the current version.

Em 07/03/2020 14:33, Gene escreveu:

Then you are evidently using object navigation and that isn't the cause of the problem.  If you are using the desktop layout, you can check this in the following manner:
Hold the numpad insert and press numpad one to move one way through the available review modes.  Numpad insert numpad 7 will move you the other way.  If you use these two commands, you can find object review and stop there if you want to be completely sure.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2020 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sentence nav: I can not read the previous sentence in some documents using notepad ++

Sorry, I don't know how to call the normal cursor in english. I didn't use any other cursor before trying to use the addon.

Em 07/03/2020 13:06, Gene escreveu:
There is no PC cursor.  That is a JAWS name for more or less the application cursor.  Do you know about the review modes such as screen review and object review?  If you are using screen review, you will get unexpected and unwanted results in some situations.  You should always switch to object review after you finish using a different review mode.  If you don't know about these modes and have never changed them, you are probably using object navigation. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2020 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sentence nav: I can not read the previous sentence in some documents using notepad ++

I am using pc cursor. There's no need to change it as far I can tell...

Thank you!

Em 07/03/2020 02:41, Gene escreveu:
Are you using object review or screen review or something else?  I have never used the add-on you are using but even so, be sure you are in object navigation unless the add-on explicitly says you should be in something else.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 11:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] Sentence nav: I can not read the previous sentence in some documents using notepad ++

Hi, folks!

There's something quite annoying going on here: when I try to read the
previous sentence on a document using notepad ++, it reads the current
sentence instead of reading the previous one.

Is there someone there having the same issue?

I tried to use notepad from windows, but sentence nav is too slow on it.
It takes about four seconds to read each sentence.

I have NVDA 2019.3.1 and last sentence nav's version available on githup.

Thank you so much!




Re: Change in CTRL+Backspace behavior in MS-Word, but not Notepad or Outlook

 

Hi,

You can’t turn these off at the moment – I’ll introduce a quick workaround next week that will stop these announcements as part of Windows 10 App Essentials 20.03.1.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of konnieellis71@...
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 8:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change in CTRL+Backspace behavior in MS-Word, but not Notepad or Outlook

 

Thanks. Just need to know how to turn off these notifications, and what wondering what other types of notifications I’ll be missing?

Konnie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 5:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change in CTRL+Backspace behavior in MS-Word, but not Notepad or Outlook

 

Hi,

Ha, found the root cause: this is Word issue, not NVDA. In short, Word announces this, which NVDA picks up. The short-term solution is to block all sorts of announcements like this from Word, with the ideal solution being blocking only some messages.

Technical: UIA notification event problem.

I’ll comment on a potential fix on a GitHub issue Quentin has created.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of konnieellis71@...
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 12:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Change in CTRL+Backspace behavior in MS-Word, but not Notepad or Outlook

 

Lately, when I hit the control+backspace keys to delete a word, NVDA does not announce the word I am deleting. Instead, it says “delete back word.”

I would much prefer that it says the word I am deleting, as it always has before.

I have also since tested this in Notepad, and in Outlook. Both of those are acting normally. They do not say “delete back word.”

If anyone can help me figure out how to set this back to normal in MS Word, please let me know. Thanks so much.

Konnie Ellis


Re: Sentence nav: I can not read the previous sentence in some documents using notepad ++

Gene
 

I am using correct terms.  If people don't understand or know them, they can ask.  Part of learning a program is learning the authorized terms. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Hareth
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2020 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sentence nav: I can not read the previous sentence in some documents using notepad ++

Gene,
I'm sorry, But you truly muddying the waters to anyone that  haven't
study your own terminology.
Most of the people asking questions here are non English natives, Yet
you try to shove and force your own sometimes subjective opinionated
terminology as a standard reference.
Please try to make it simple and as directly to the point as you can,
that makes it easy to understand instead of going on an on with non
useful personalized terms and definitions.

On 3/7/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I didn't say he wasn't using the application cursor.  I know he is.  You are
> telling me not to respond and you don't understand what I'm saying.  IU'm
> saying that I have seen circumstances when someone is using the application
> cursor but is in screen review.  You can do that in NVDA.  I'm saying that
> there are cases when you won't see what is expected if you are in screen
> review and use the application cursor.
> I didn't say my proposal was the solution.  But since it takes almost no
> time to make sure which screen review mode you are using, I thought it was
> worht suggesting.  Since I've seen this, I proposed it as the possible
> cause.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Rui Fontes
> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2020 11:52 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Sentence nav: I can not read the previous sentence in
> some documents using notepad ++
>
>
> No, Gene! Please, do not respond to problems you do not know!
>
>
>
>
> He is using the edit cursor or system carete...
>
>
>
>
> Rui Fontes
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Às 17:33 de 07/03/2020, Gene escreveu:
>
>   Then you are evidently using object navigation and that isn't the cause of
> the problem.  If you are using the desktop layout, you can check this in the
> following manner:
>   Hold the numpad insert and press numpad one to move one way through the
> available review modes.  Numpad insert numpad 7 will move you the other way.
>  If you use these two commands, you can find object review and stop there if
> you want to be completely sure.
>
>   Gene
>   ----- Original Message -----
>
>   From: Daniel Damacena
>   Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2020 11:23 AM
>   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>   Subject: Re: [nvda] Sentence nav: I can not read the previous sentence in
> some documents using notepad ++
>
>
>   Sorry, I don't know how to call the normal cursor in english. I didn't use
> any other cursor before trying to use the addon.
>
>
>   Em 07/03/2020 13:06, Gene escreveu:
>
>     There is no PC cursor.  That is a JAWS name for more or less the
> application cursor.  Do you know about the review modes such as screen
> review and object review?  If you are using screen review, you will get
> unexpected and unwanted results in some situations.  You should always
> switch to object review after you finish using a different review mode.  If
> you don't know about these modes and have never changed them, you are
> probably using object navigation.
>
>     Gene
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>     From: Daniel Damacena
>     Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2020 5:35 AM
>     To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>     Subject: Re: [nvda] Sentence nav: I can not read the previous sentence
> in some documents using notepad ++
>
>
>     I am using pc cursor. There's no need to change it as far I can tell...
>
>     Thank you!
>
>
>     Em 07/03/2020 02:41, Gene escreveu:
>
>       Are you using object review or screen review or something else?  I
> have never used the add-on you are using but even so, be sure you are in
> object navigation unless the add-on explicitly says you should be in
> something else.
>
>       Gene
>       ----- Original Message -----
>
>       From: Daniel Damacena
>       Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 11:24 PM
>       To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>       Subject: [nvda] Sentence nav: I can not read the previous sentence in
> some documents using notepad ++
>
>
>       Hi, folks!
>
>       There's something quite annoying going on here: when I try to read the
>
>       previous sentence on a document using notepad ++, it reads the current
>
>       sentence instead of reading the previous one.
>
>       Is there someone there having the same issue?
>
>       I tried to use notepad from windows, but sentence nav is too slow on
> it.
>       It takes about four seconds to read each sentence.
>
>       I have NVDA 2019.3.1 and last sentence nav's version available on
> githup.
>
>       Thank you so much!
>
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Re: Change in CTRL+Backspace behavior in MS-Word, but not Notepad or Outlook

 

On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 08:07 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
I do wander if someone can do feedback to microsoft or ring microsoft access and report this.
NVDA's development team (like that of most major software makers, and NVDA definitely counts in the screen reader world) has direct contacts with Microsoft.  That's been mentioned in this forum several times in the past.

I have every reason to believe that once Joseph reports the issue in GitHub that the appropriate communications with Microsoft will occur as a natural progression.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Change in CTRL+Backspace behavior in MS-Word, but not Notepad or Outlook

 

Hmmm I wander if this is a word issue if someone has contacted the microsoft guy supposedly on the win10 list.

I think his name is shuching, he doesn't often send at all, but pops up from time to time when a problem is really bad.

So while I am unsure if he is on this list to, its possible he allready knows about it and is doing something about it without telling us.

I do wander if someone can do feadback to microsoft or ring microsoft access and report this.



On 8/03/2020 1:41 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Ha, found the root cause: this is Word issue, not NVDA. In short, Word announces this, which NVDA picks up. The short-term solution is to block all sorts of announcements like this from Word, with the ideal solution being blocking only some messages.

Technical: UIA notification event problem.

I’ll comment on a potential fix on a GitHub issue Quentin has created.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of konnieellis71@...
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 12:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Change in CTRL+Backspace behavior in MS-Word, but not Notepad or Outlook

 

Lately, when I hit the control+backspace keys to delete a word, NVDA does not announce the word I am deleting. Instead, it says “delete back word.”

I would much prefer that it says the word I am deleting, as it always has before.

I have also since tested this in Notepad, and in Outlook. Both of those are acting normally. They do not say “delete back word.”

If anyone can help me figure out how to set this back to normal in MS Word, please let me know. Thanks so much.

Konnie Ellis


Re: Sentence nav: I can not read the previous sentence in some documents using notepad ++

Hareth
 

Gene,
I'm sorry, But you truly muddying the waters to anyone that haven't
study your own terminology.
Most of the people asking questions here are non English natives, Yet
you try to shove and force your own sometimes subjective opinionated
terminology as a standard reference.
Please try to make it simple and as directly to the point as you can,
that makes it easy to understand instead of going on an on with non
useful personalized terms and definitions.

On 3/7/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I didn't say he wasn't using the application cursor. I know he is. You are
telling me not to respond and you don't understand what I'm saying. IU'm
saying that I have seen circumstances when someone is using the application
cursor but is in screen review. You can do that in NVDA. I'm saying that
there are cases when you won't see what is expected if you are in screen
review and use the application cursor.
I didn't say my proposal was the solution. But since it takes almost no
time to make sure which screen review mode you are using, I thought it was
worht suggesting. Since I've seen this, I proposed it as the possible
cause.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2020 11:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sentence nav: I can not read the previous sentence in
some documents using notepad ++


No, Gene! Please, do not respond to problems you do not know!




He is using the edit cursor or system carete...




Rui Fontes







Às 17:33 de 07/03/2020, Gene escreveu:

Then you are evidently using object navigation and that isn't the cause of
the problem. If you are using the desktop layout, you can check this in the
following manner:
Hold the numpad insert and press numpad one to move one way through the
available review modes. Numpad insert numpad 7 will move you the other way.
If you use these two commands, you can find object review and stop there if
you want to be completely sure.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Daniel Damacena
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2020 11:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sentence nav: I can not read the previous sentence in
some documents using notepad ++


Sorry, I don't know how to call the normal cursor in english. I didn't use
any other cursor before trying to use the addon.


Em 07/03/2020 13:06, Gene escreveu:

There is no PC cursor. That is a JAWS name for more or less the
application cursor. Do you know about the review modes such as screen
review and object review? If you are using screen review, you will get
unexpected and unwanted results in some situations. You should always
switch to object review after you finish using a different review mode. If
you don't know about these modes and have never changed them, you are
probably using object navigation.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Daniel Damacena
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2020 5:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sentence nav: I can not read the previous sentence
in some documents using notepad ++


I am using pc cursor. There's no need to change it as far I can tell...

Thank you!


Em 07/03/2020 02:41, Gene escreveu:

Are you using object review or screen review or something else? I
have never used the add-on you are using but even so, be sure you are in
object navigation unless the add-on explicitly says you should be in
something else.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Daniel Damacena
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 11:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Sentence nav: I can not read the previous sentence in
some documents using notepad ++


Hi, folks!

There's something quite annoying going on here: when I try to read the

previous sentence on a document using notepad ++, it reads the current

sentence instead of reading the previous one.

Is there someone there having the same issue?

I tried to use notepad from windows, but sentence nav is too slow on
it.
It takes about four seconds to read each sentence.

I have NVDA 2019.3.1 and last sentence nav's version available on
githup.

Thank you so much!








Making a Speech Profile with Two Different SAPI 5 Settings?

 

Hello,
I have my main synth as an SAPI voice and I have another SAPI voice that I use for showing sighted users what's going on with NVDA.
One is rate 75, and the other is rate 40.
How do I make 2 different speech profiles with the SAPI 5 speech engine?
When I try to do it, the voice is the same from one profile to the next. I can make a profile with 2 different speech engines, but not 2 with SAPI 5.
This is NVDA 2019.3.
Thank you,


Re: Sentence nav: I can not read the previous sentence in some documents using notepad ++

Gene
 

I didn't say he wasn't using the application cursor.  I know he is.  You are telling me not to respond and you don't understand what I'm saying.  IU'm saying that I have seen circumstances when someone is using the application cursor but is in screen review.  You can do that in NVDA.  I'm saying that there are cases when you won't see what is expected if you are in screen review and use the application cursor.
I didn't say my proposal was the solution.  But since it takes almost no time to make sure which screen review mode you are using, I thought it was worht suggesting.  Since I've seen this, I proposed it as the possible cause. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2020 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sentence nav: I can not read the previous sentence in some documents using notepad ++

No, Gene! Please, do not respond to problems you do not know!


He is using the edit cursor or system carete...


Rui Fontes



Às 17:33 de 07/03/2020, Gene escreveu:
Then you are evidently using object navigation and that isn't the cause of the problem.  If you are using the desktop layout, you can check this in the following manner:
Hold the numpad insert and press numpad one to move one way through the available review modes.  Numpad insert numpad 7 will move you the other way.  If you use these two commands, you can find object review and stop there if you want to be completely sure.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2020 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sentence nav: I can not read the previous sentence in some documents using notepad ++

Sorry, I don't know how to call the normal cursor in english. I didn't use any other cursor before trying to use the addon.

Em 07/03/2020 13:06, Gene escreveu:
There is no PC cursor.  That is a JAWS name for more or less the application cursor.  Do you know about the review modes such as screen review and object review?  If you are using screen review, you will get unexpected and unwanted results in some situations.  You should always switch to object review after you finish using a different review mode.  If you don't know about these modes and have never changed them, you are probably using object navigation. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2020 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sentence nav: I can not read the previous sentence in some documents using notepad ++

I am using pc cursor. There's no need to change it as far I can tell...

Thank you!

Em 07/03/2020 02:41, Gene escreveu:
Are you using object review or screen review or something else?  I have never used the add-on you are using but even so, be sure you are in object navigation unless the add-on explicitly says you should be in something else.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 11:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] Sentence nav: I can not read the previous sentence in some documents using notepad ++

Hi, folks!

There's something quite annoying going on here: when I try to read the
previous sentence on a document using notepad ++, it reads the current
sentence instead of reading the previous one.

Is there someone there having the same issue?

I tried to use notepad from windows, but sentence nav is too slow on it.
It takes about four seconds to read each sentence.

I have NVDA 2019.3.1 and last sentence nav's version available on githup.

Thank you so much!




Re: Sentence nav: I can not read the previous sentence in some documents using notepad ++

Rui Fontes
 

No, Gene! Please, do not respond to problems you do not know!


He is using the edit cursor or system carete...


Rui Fontes



Às 17:33 de 07/03/2020, Gene escreveu:

Then you are evidently using object navigation and that isn't the cause of the problem.  If you are using the desktop layout, you can check this in the following manner:
Hold the numpad insert and press numpad one to move one way through the available review modes.  Numpad insert numpad 7 will move you the other way.  If you use these two commands, you can find object review and stop there if you want to be completely sure.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2020 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sentence nav: I can not read the previous sentence in some documents using notepad ++

Sorry, I don't know how to call the normal cursor in english. I didn't use any other cursor before trying to use the addon.

Em 07/03/2020 13:06, Gene escreveu:
There is no PC cursor.  That is a JAWS name for more or less the application cursor.  Do you know about the review modes such as screen review and object review?  If you are using screen review, you will get unexpected and unwanted results in some situations.  You should always switch to object review after you finish using a different review mode.  If you don't know about these modes and have never changed them, you are probably using object navigation. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2020 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sentence nav: I can not read the previous sentence in some documents using notepad ++

I am using pc cursor. There's no need to change it as far I can tell...

Thank you!

Em 07/03/2020 02:41, Gene escreveu:
Are you using object review or screen review or something else?  I have never used the add-on you are using but even so, be sure you are in object navigation unless the add-on explicitly says you should be in something else.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 11:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] Sentence nav: I can not read the previous sentence in some documents using notepad ++

Hi, folks!

There's something quite annoying going on here: when I try to read the
previous sentence on a document using notepad ++, it reads the current
sentence instead of reading the previous one.

Is there someone there having the same issue?

I tried to use notepad from windows, but sentence nav is too slow on it.
It takes about four seconds to read each sentence.

I have NVDA 2019.3.1 and last sentence nav's version available on githup.

Thank you so much!