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Re: and Chromium

Gene
 

Since you neither quote previous messages nor indicate in any way whom or what you are responding to, I shall assume it is to me.  What do either of your statements have to do with what I said?  The google Chrome designers have worked on accessibility.  That doesn't mean the Chromium team has or has to nearly the same extent.  Google Chrome is Google's version of the chrome browser and if it derived from Chromium originally, that is irrelevant.  It is a separate branch of the browser.  I believe Canary is Google's more or less alpha version of its version of the browser and,  again, it is Google's version of the browser. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Pete
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] and Chromium

 
    Hi 
 
  evidently 
 
  The subject line says it all. 
 
Write: Re: [nvda] and Chromium
 
  Google chrome is based on Chromium. 
  So with out Chromium  Google Chrome would not exist. 
  There is also a Canary version of Chromium available. 
  Again with out Chromium Canary Google Chrome Canary would not exist. 
  There is a Chromium OS as well. 
  You can read more about Chromium and Chromium OS on the Chromium web site. 
  Pete 
 











On 3/25/2016 12:06 PM, Gene wrote:
Evidently, you are talking about Chromium, not Google Chrome.  I doubt that meaningful work has been done either by the Chromium project nor by NVDA on this browser.  The popular Google Chrome browser among sighted users is reasonably accessible but I don't expect Chromium, a browser that is not at all widely used and that a lot of people don't even know exists, to be worked on by NVDA developers who, frankly, have much much more important things to work on affecting a great many more users than a browser most people haven't even heard of.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Pete
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 10:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] and Chromium


   Hi
   I am trying out Chromium.
   The version is below in the about page.
   does any one have helpful advice using this browser?
   I notice while down arrowing nvda stops announcing the menu items.
   After the zoom item two down arrow are not spoken and again after
edit item another two down arrows are not spoken.
   If up arrowing it doesn't do the same.
   Tabbing around  seems to work OK.  Starting at the address bar, next
tab is bookmark button next tab is Chromium menu oops take that back
tabbing around now selects between tabs now along with going threw the
open page.  I have not configured any thing in it yet so will explore
the other tabs.  Does any one know the keys to close a tab / focused
window?
   Thanks!
   Pete
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Re: The danger at the moment of this moderation thread.

Pete <emac00@...>
 

 
  Hi 
 
  My bad,  I didn't think it was a merger of two or more lists.  I thought the announcement was the list was moving over to groups.io.  I wasn't aware it was being merged.  Again my bad. 
  I will consider joining / signing up with git hub. 
  Thanks for the link! 
  Pete 


On 3/25/2016 12:11 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote:
On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 04:58 am, Pete <emac00@...> wrote:

 
  Hi 
  I joined the nvda devel list to hear about people discussing nvda's scripting and how people were using python to script access to windows / programs so learning nvda scripting would be easier. 
  I may be the only one to notice.  This list has had a name change from nvda devel to nvda.  Are we to assume now all things nvda are to be discuss here?  I thought there was / is a separate nvda users list for discussing nvda's functioning with programs like Firefox, Google chrome, UN branded chrome, internet explorer, outlook and so on... 
  Or is there? 
  Pete 



@Pete, *

Sorry, but you seem not to realize that this ML continues to function as the NVDA User support list, as migrated here to Groups.io from Freelists.org hosting.


NVAccess shut down the NVDA development mail list some time ago for spam and abuse issues, and shifted to issue tracking provided with the github hosing of the code base.

If you are really interested in NVDA Development, that resides on github where you can subscribe and follow issues.

Follow this link:  https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues


Folks here will have only a passing interest in development issues as they affect use and implementation of NVDA. It is primarily a user forum, not development.


Stuart



Re: Latest Weather Add On Not Working For last 24 hours

Christo de Klerk
 

Yes, I have also noticed it.

Regards

Christo

On 2016/03/25 5:46 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

Has anyone noticed that the Weather Add on (the more sophisticated one) is not working for the past 24 hours?


Re: and Chromium

Pete <emac00@...>
 

 
  4 tabs are showing when I tab threw the program window.  I tab past all that and am in a web page with links.  So I think the web page I want to close has focus and I do control + w to close it and the browser closes. 
  It might be the only window open thanks. 
  Do you know if chrome or chromium has a set of default tabs that remain open? 
  I think the 4 tabs I am going threw might be pinned there, not sure now. 
 

On 3/25/2016 12:27 PM, Gene wrote:
How many tabs or windows are opened when you issue the command? 
If only one tab or window is opened, that command will close the browser because you are closing the only opened window.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Pete
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] and Chromium

 
  Thanks, but it closes the whole browser. 
  Might be I don't have the correct focus. 
Pete 


On 3/25/2016 11:55 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Ctrl+w
On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 8:51 AM Pete <emac00@...> wrote:

   Hi
   I am trying out Chromium.
   The version is below in the about page.
   does any one have helpful advice using this browser?
   I notice while down arrowing nvda stops announcing the menu items.
   After the zoom item two down arrow are not spoken and again after
edit item another two down arrows are not spoken.
   If up arrowing it doesn't do the same.
   Tabbing around  seems to work OK.  Starting at the address bar, next
tab is bookmark button next tab is Chromium menu oops take that back
tabbing around now selects between tabs now along with going threw the
open page.  I have not configured any thing in it yet so will explore
the other tabs.  Does any one know the keys to close a tab / focused
window?
   Thanks!
   Pete
About
Chromium
A web browser built for speed, simplicity, and security
Get help with using Chromium
Version 51.0.2684.0
Chromium
Copyright 2016 The Chromium Authors. All rights reserved.
Chromium is made possible by the Chromium open source project and other
open source software.






Re: and Chromium

Pete <emac00@...>
 

 
    Hi 
 
  evidently 
 
  The subject line says it all. 
 
Write: Re: [nvda] and Chromium
 
  Google chrome is based on Chromium. 
  So with out Chromium  Google Chrome would not exist. 
  There is also a Canary version of Chromium available. 
  Again with out Chromium Canary Google Chrome Canary would not exist. 
  There is a Chromium OS as well. 
  You can read more about Chromium and Chromium OS on the Chromium web site. 
  Pete 
 











On 3/25/2016 12:06 PM, Gene wrote:
Evidently, you are talking about Chromium, not Google Chrome.  I doubt that meaningful work has been done either by the Chromium project nor by NVDA on this browser.  The popular Google Chrome browser among sighted users is reasonably accessible but I don't expect Chromium, a browser that is not at all widely used and that a lot of people don't even know exists, to be worked on by NVDA developers who, frankly, have much much more important things to work on affecting a great many more users than a browser most people haven't even heard of.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Pete
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 10:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] and Chromium


   Hi
   I am trying out Chromium.
   The version is below in the about page.
   does any one have helpful advice using this browser?
   I notice while down arrowing nvda stops announcing the menu items.
   After the zoom item two down arrow are not spoken and again after
edit item another two down arrows are not spoken.
   If up arrowing it doesn't do the same.
   Tabbing around  seems to work OK.  Starting at the address bar, next
tab is bookmark button next tab is Chromium menu oops take that back
tabbing around now selects between tabs now along with going threw the
open page.  I have not configured any thing in it yet so will explore
the other tabs.  Does any one know the keys to close a tab / focused
window?
   Thanks!
   Pete
About
Chromium
A web browser built for speed, simplicity, and security
Get help with using Chromium
Version 51.0.2684.0
Chromium
Copyright 2016 The Chromium Authors. All rights reserved.
Chromium is made possible by the Chromium open source project and other
open source software.




announcing empty lines can be annouing

Davy Cuppens
 

Hi folks
 
Last question before Easter,
When reading texts line per line, NVDA always announces empty line when it encounters one.
Can this be set off?
Regards
Davy


prevent pages from refreshing

Davy Cuppens
 

Hi folks
 
Is there a way in nvda that one can prevent pages from being constantly refreshed? In my professional sr Cobra I have a shortcut s in virtual mode so that pags become static and focus won’t jump to the front of it.
 
Regards
Davy


Re: and Chromium

Gene
 

How many tabs or windows are opened when you issue the command? 
If only one tab or window is opened, that command will close the browser because you are closing the only opened window.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Pete
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] and Chromium

 
  Thanks, but it closes the whole browser. 
  Might be I don't have the correct focus. 
Pete 


On 3/25/2016 11:55 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Ctrl+w
On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 8:51 AM Pete <emac00@...> wrote:

   Hi
   I am trying out Chromium.
   The version is below in the about page.
   does any one have helpful advice using this browser?
   I notice while down arrowing nvda stops announcing the menu items.
   After the zoom item two down arrow are not spoken and again after
edit item another two down arrows are not spoken.
   If up arrowing it doesn't do the same.
   Tabbing around  seems to work OK.  Starting at the address bar, next
tab is bookmark button next tab is Chromium menu oops take that back
tabbing around now selects between tabs now along with going threw the
open page.  I have not configured any thing in it yet so will explore
the other tabs.  Does any one know the keys to close a tab / focused
window?
   Thanks!
   Pete
About
Chromium
A web browser built for speed, simplicity, and security
Get help with using Chromium
Version 51.0.2684.0
Chromium
Copyright 2016 The Chromium Authors. All rights reserved.
Chromium is made possible by the Chromium open source project and other
open source software.





Re: and Chromium

Pete <emac00@...>
 

 
  Thanks, but it closes the whole browser. 
  Might be I don't have the correct focus. 
Pete 


On 3/25/2016 11:55 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Ctrl+w
On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 8:51 AM Pete <emac00@...> wrote:

   Hi
   I am trying out Chromium.
   The version is below in the about page.
   does any one have helpful advice using this browser?
   I notice while down arrowing nvda stops announcing the menu items.
   After the zoom item two down arrow are not spoken and again after
edit item another two down arrows are not spoken.
   If up arrowing it doesn't do the same.
   Tabbing around  seems to work OK.  Starting at the address bar, next
tab is bookmark button next tab is Chromium menu oops take that back
tabbing around now selects between tabs now along with going threw the
open page.  I have not configured any thing in it yet so will explore
the other tabs.  Does any one know the keys to close a tab / focused
window?
   Thanks!
   Pete
About
Chromium
A web browser built for speed, simplicity, and security
Get help with using Chromium
Version 51.0.2684.0
Chromium
Copyright 2016 The Chromium Authors. All rights reserved.
Chromium is made possible by the Chromium open source project and other
open source software.





Re: danger, danger nvda

Pete <emac00@...>
 

 
  Here is a more complete explanation. 
 
Learn Why Mixing Multiple Visual Studio Versions Is Evil ...
 
  Pete 
 

On 3/25/2016 10:19 AM, Patrick Le Baudour wrote:
Hello,

All this seems  very alarmist and very speculative, so, do you have hard facts and bugs examples to back it up ?
What  danger are you talking about ? Having bugs ? All applications have bugs, and so far most nvda  problems have been corrected or pinpointed to something else.
You might also be telling all this in the wrong place, this is mainly nvda users, not a developement board.

As for technical details, I can't speak for nvda, but in general,afaik, dlls conflicts possibilities have been much lowered since Windows 98 and Me... most  programs targets are specific dlls versions,  that are often provided with it, etc.

Also, apart from the python thing, what are you advocating For? Warning about a problem isn't useful if it can't be helped anyway, is it?

-- Patrick

Le 25/03/2016 14:29, Pete a écrit :

   Hi
The proliferation of the famous Microsoft Visual C + + redistributable
packages is dangerous to nvva.
   Windows loads multiple instances of the d l l s and not all instances
are the same version or even the correct version for a given program
causing untraceable bugs in nvda along with other programs like explorer
or the w10 file manager.
   There doesn't seem to be backward compatibility say from visual c + +
2015 to earlier versions.
   A second dangerous trend is the proliferation of multiple versions of
dot net frame work.
   Again here no apparent backward compatibility seems to exists.
   So one has his or her windows computer cluttered up with multiple
versions in most cases taking up hard drive real estate and causing
conflicts.
   A lot of the nvda bugs possibly can be linked to miss matched
versions of d l l s being loaded by windows.
   A third concern is the old version of python being used.  If it's
time to upgrade from say visual c + + 2008 it should be time to update
to a newer version of python.
   Shouldn't it?
   Pete











Re: The danger at the moment of this moderation thread.

V Stuart Foote
 

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 04:58 am, Pete <emac00@...> wrote:

 
  Hi 
  I joined the nvda devel list to hear about people discussing nvda's scripting and how people were using python to script access to windows / programs so learning nvda scripting would be easier. 
  I may be the only one to notice.  This list has had a name change from nvda devel to nvda.  Are we to assume now all things nvda are to be discuss here?  I thought there was / is a separate nvda users list for discussing nvda's functioning with programs like Firefox, Google chrome, UN branded chrome, internet explorer, outlook and so on... 
  Or is there? 
  Pete 



@Pete, *

Sorry, but you seem not to realize that this ML continues to function as the NVDA User support list, as migrated here to Groups.io from Freelists.org hosting.


NVAccess shut down the NVDA development mail list some time ago for spam and abuse issues, and shifted to issue tracking provided with the github hosing of the code base.

If you are really interested in NVDA Development, that resides on github where you can subscribe and follow issues.

Follow this link:  https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues


Folks here will have only a passing interest in development issues as they affect use and implementation of NVDA. It is primarily a user forum, not development.


Stuart


Re: and Chromium

Gene
 

Evidently, you are talking about Chromium, not Google Chrome.  I doubt that meaningful work has been done either by the Chromium project nor by NVDA on this browser.  The popular Google Chrome browser among sighted users is reasonably accessible but I don't expect Chromium, a browser that is not at all widely used and that a lot of people don't even know exists, to be worked on by NVDA developers who, frankly, have much much more important things to work on affecting a great many more users than a browser most people haven't even heard of.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Pete
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 10:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] and Chromium


   Hi
   I am trying out Chromium.
   The version is below in the about page.
   does any one have helpful advice using this browser?
   I notice while down arrowing nvda stops announcing the menu items.
   After the zoom item two down arrow are not spoken and again after
edit item another two down arrows are not spoken.
   If up arrowing it doesn't do the same.
   Tabbing around  seems to work OK.  Starting at the address bar, next
tab is bookmark button next tab is Chromium menu oops take that back
tabbing around now selects between tabs now along with going threw the
open page.  I have not configured any thing in it yet so will explore
the other tabs.  Does any one know the keys to close a tab / focused
window?
   Thanks!
   Pete
About
Chromium
A web browser built for speed, simplicity, and security
Get help with using Chromium
Version 51.0.2684.0
Chromium
Copyright 2016 The Chromium Authors. All rights reserved.
Chromium is made possible by the Chromium open source project and other
open source software.



Re: danger, danger nvda

Pete <emac00@...>
 

 
  Here is where you can find out more information about visual c + + version incompatibility problems. 
  Visual C + + problems

On 3/25/2016 10:19 AM, Patrick Le Baudour wrote:
Hello,

All this seems  very alarmist and very speculative, so, do you have hard facts and bugs examples to back it up ?
What  danger are you talking about ? Having bugs ? All applications have bugs, and so far most nvda  problems have been corrected or pinpointed to something else.
You might also be telling all this in the wrong place, this is mainly nvda users, not a developement board.

As for technical details, I can't speak for nvda, but in general,afaik, dlls conflicts possibilities have been much lowered since Windows 98 and Me... most  programs targets are specific dlls versions,  that are often provided with it, etc.

Also, apart from the python thing, what are you advocating For? Warning about a problem isn't useful if it can't be helped anyway, is it?

-- Patrick

Le 25/03/2016 14:29, Pete a écrit :

   Hi
The proliferation of the famous Microsoft Visual C + + redistributable
packages is dangerous to nvva.
   Windows loads multiple instances of the d l l s and not all instances
are the same version or even the correct version for a given program
causing untraceable bugs in nvda along with other programs like explorer
or the w10 file manager.
   There doesn't seem to be backward compatibility say from visual c + +
2015 to earlier versions.
   A second dangerous trend is the proliferation of multiple versions of
dot net frame work.
   Again here no apparent backward compatibility seems to exists.
   So one has his or her windows computer cluttered up with multiple
versions in most cases taking up hard drive real estate and causing
conflicts.
   A lot of the nvda bugs possibly can be linked to miss matched
versions of d l l s being loaded by windows.
   A third concern is the old version of python being used.  If it's
time to upgrade from say visual c + + 2008 it should be time to update
to a newer version of python.
   Shouldn't it?
   Pete











Re: Nvda on the applevis site while using firefox

Armando <braille.bt4753@...>
 

I haven't been to the applevis website in a long time.

On 3/25/2016 10:53 AM, brandon wrote:
Hello all,
I really hate asking this question.
But has anyone notice anything odd while using nvda on. The applevis site. For example no spaces appearing. Between words in forum posts, app directory entries, and more. I am using the latest version of firefox. Is there anyone else. Facing this issue and if so have you found any work arounds for it.
Have a wonderful day.
Brandon,
Reed

Sent from my iPod


Re: and Chromium

Kevin Chao
 

Ctrl+w

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 8:51 AM Pete <emac00@...> wrote:

   Hi
   I am trying out Chromium.
   The version is below in the about page.
   does any one have helpful advice using this browser?
   I notice while down arrowing nvda stops announcing the menu items.
   After the zoom item two down arrow are not spoken and again after
edit item another two down arrows are not spoken.
   If up arrowing it doesn't do the same.
   Tabbing around  seems to work OK.  Starting at the address bar, next
tab is bookmark button next tab is Chromium menu oops take that back
tabbing around now selects between tabs now along with going threw the
open page.  I have not configured any thing in it yet so will explore
the other tabs.  Does any one know the keys to close a tab / focused
window?
   Thanks!
   Pete
About
Chromium
A web browser built for speed, simplicity, and security
Get help with using Chromium
Version 51.0.2684.0
Chromium
Copyright 2016 The Chromium Authors. All rights reserved.
Chromium is made possible by the Chromium open source project and other
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and Chromium

Pete <emac00@...>
 

Hi
I am trying out Chromium.
The version is below in the about page.
does any one have helpful advice using this browser?
I notice while down arrowing nvda stops announcing the menu items.
After the zoom item two down arrow are not spoken and again after edit item another two down arrows are not spoken.
If up arrowing it doesn't do the same.
Tabbing around seems to work OK. Starting at the address bar, next tab is bookmark button next tab is Chromium menu oops take that back tabbing around now selects between tabs now along with going threw the open page. I have not configured any thing in it yet so will explore the other tabs. Does any one know the keys to close a tab / focused window?
Thanks!
Pete
About
Chromium
A web browser built for speed, simplicity, and security
Get help with using Chromium
Version 51.0.2684.0
Chromium
Copyright 2016 The Chromium Authors. All rights reserved.
Chromium is made possible by the Chromium open source project and other open source software.


Latest Weather Add On Not Working For last 24 hours

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

Has anyone noticed that the Weather Add on (the more sophisticated one) is not working for the past 24 hours?

--

Signature:
They ask me if I'm Happy, I say "yes."
They ask me "How happy are you?"
I say: "I'm as happy as a stowaway chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: danger, danger nvda

Pete <emac00@...>
 

Hi
Is it?
Do you have facts and so on to prove otherwise?
Untraceable bugs exist in nvda, the danger is in complaisantly thinking all of the bugs are in nvda's code itself.
I am not advocating an upgrade to the latest python version. It was merely a question.

Pete

On 3/25/2016 10:19 AM, Patrick Le Baudour wrote:
Hello,

All this seems very alarmist and very speculative, so, do you have hard facts and bugs examples to back it up ?
What danger are you talking about ? Having bugs ? All applications have bugs, and so far most nvda problems have been corrected or pinpointed to something else.
You might also be telling all this in the wrong place, this is mainly nvda users, not a developement board.

As for technical details, I can't speak for nvda, but in general,afaik, dlls conflicts possibilities have been much lowered since Windows 98 and Me... most programs targets are specific dlls versions, that are often provided with it, etc.

Also, apart from the python thing, what are you advocating For? Warning about a problem isn't useful if it can't be helped anyway, is it?

-- Patrick

Le 25/03/2016 14:29, Pete a écrit :

Hi
The proliferation of the famous Microsoft Visual C + + redistributable
packages is dangerous to nvva.
Windows loads multiple instances of the d l l s and not all instances
are the same version or even the correct version for a given program
causing untraceable bugs in nvda along with other programs like explorer
or the w10 file manager.
There doesn't seem to be backward compatibility say from visual c + +
2015 to earlier versions.
A second dangerous trend is the proliferation of multiple versions of
dot net frame work.
Again here no apparent backward compatibility seems to exists.
So one has his or her windows computer cluttered up with multiple
versions in most cases taking up hard drive real estate and causing
conflicts.
A lot of the nvda bugs possibly can be linked to miss matched
versions of d l l s being loaded by windows.
A third concern is the old version of python being used. If it's
time to upgrade from say visual c + + 2008 it should be time to update
to a newer version of python.
Shouldn't it?
Pete






Freelists archive freeze

 

Hi, sorry if this sounds off-topic...

Since the announcement of archive freeze on Freelists, I wonder why I still see new messages on the list (I actually subscribed to that forum's RSS feeds, so they showed up in Firefox's live bookmark)? The last message I saw was yesterday...the archive freeze announcement that I read on here was posted 6 days ago or so.


Nvda on the applevis site while using firefox

brandon
 

Hello all,
I really hate asking this question.
But has anyone notice anything odd while using nvda on. The applevis site. For example no spaces appearing. Between words in forum posts, app directory entries, and more. I am using the latest version of firefox. Is there anyone else. Facing this issue and if so have you found any work arounds for it.
Have a wonderful day.
Brandon,
Reed

Sent from my iPod