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Re: Problem with reading pdf

Kevin Chao
 

  1. Go to drive.google.com
  2. Arrow to PDF that is scanned image 
  3. A for actions Menu
  4. Arrow to Open With > ENTER on GOogle Docs
  5. Read text


On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 2:39 PM Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...> wrote:
A cloud-based solution for performing OCR on image-based-PDFs is drive.google.com which will export to most formats.

On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 11:22 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

William,

           If this document is not private in nature would you e-mail it to me?  I want to see what happens with the various PDF Viewers I have on my Windows 10 box.

           It is unusual that you can open it on an iPad and have it read unless there is some sort of setting for the iPad reader that makes it run OCR on image PDF files automatically before opening.

           If people have PDF files that they know contain text, but were either scanned a long time ago as image PDFs or more recently by someone who didn't even know that they could use a scanner with an OCR feature to create text-searchable PDFs by scanning, I recommend PDF-XChange Viewer simply to do OCR on them.  It's not friendly as a full-service PDF reader, but the basic "open document, run OCR, save document with text layer" sequence is easily accessible.  Then you can use the PDF reader program of your choice to read the resulting OCR processed file.

Brian


NVDA Freezing and New Outlook....WHYYYYYY

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

Hello,


I've mentioned this before, but as it happened again this morning and it was really frustrating I'm mentioning it again.


Since I've gotten my Braille Display (a Focus 40 Blue), NVDA keeps freezing just after Startup. It won't talk. The Braille Display shows the last thing it said. It refuses to restart. Sometimes, I can't even shut down the computer without sighted assistance, as happened this morning. This has happened both with the NVDA snapshot I got to read Braille in a more complete UEB code, and with NVDA 2016.1. My sister saw an Error window the first time this happened but I don't know what precisely that error said. I was told to make a log entry but since NVDA isn't responding at the time I would need to make a log entry, and since the log viewer only shows me the current session, I don't see how this can be possible. (Note; that it doesn't happen every single day, but when it does happen it's almost always at startup.)


Also, I go to write this email and find Outlook has changed completely! WHAT THE HECK i JUST WANTED TO WRITE AN eMAIL WHY DID U DO THIS 2 MEEEE. Seriously, the layout is so different and I can't navigate it the way I used to with NVDA commands and i HATE IT HOW CAN i GET MY NORMAL OUTLOOK BAAAAAAAAAACK.


How the Google Speech Synthesis is done. Very interesting.

Josh Kennedy
 

this also pertains to NVDA.


follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982


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Re: Problem with reading pdf

Kevin Chao
 

A cloud-based solution for performing OCR on image-based-PDFs is drive.google.com which will export to most formats.


On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 11:22 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

William,

           If this document is not private in nature would you e-mail it to me?  I want to see what happens with the various PDF Viewers I have on my Windows 10 box.

           It is unusual that you can open it on an iPad and have it read unless there is some sort of setting for the iPad reader that makes it run OCR on image PDF files automatically before opening.

           If people have PDF files that they know contain text, but were either scanned a long time ago as image PDFs or more recently by someone who didn't even know that they could use a scanner with an OCR feature to create text-searchable PDFs by scanning, I recommend PDF-XChange Viewer simply to do OCR on them.  It's not friendly as a full-service PDF reader, but the basic "open document, run OCR, save document with text layer" sequence is easily accessible.  Then you can use the PDF reader program of your choice to read the resulting OCR processed file.

Brian


Re: Problem with reading pdf

 

William,

           If this document is not private in nature would you e-mail it to me?  I want to see what happens with the various PDF Viewers I have on my Windows 10 box.

           It is unusual that you can open it on an iPad and have it read unless there is some sort of setting for the iPad reader that makes it run OCR on image PDF files automatically before opening.

           If people have PDF files that they know contain text, but were either scanned a long time ago as image PDFs or more recently by someone who didn't even know that they could use a scanner with an OCR feature to create text-searchable PDFs by scanning, I recommend PDF-XChange Viewer simply to do OCR on them.  It's not friendly as a full-service PDF reader, but the basic "open document, run OCR, save document with text layer" sequence is easily accessible.  Then you can use the PDF reader program of your choice to read the resulting OCR processed file.

Brian


Re: MS Office 365

 

hi again.
libreoffice is only slow for me in openning some documents.
but when i used microsoft office i could not use the document even
with 100 pages!
but in libreoffice fortunately i can use 1000 document pages!
open office for me hangs and even causes hang for nvda.
but libreoffice when hangs, nvda do its normal reading and its a very
prominent and positive point for libreoffice!
and yes, the portable versions of these open source programs are not
suitable for us and for me every time crash!
even the bug is reported related to libreoffice portable and hang with
screen reader if i am correct.
hope thats help.

On 4/9/16, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
If network is not a problem why not use google docs.


Kevin Cussick via Groups.io 於 9/4/2016 18:54 寫道:
the trick is to hit alt f and close it that way, this seems to be a
bug in open office not seen this in lo but maybe the latest version
does this.

On 09/04/2016 04:58, Carlos wrote:
Hello:
Both Libre Office and Open Office on my machine when installed
separately from each other have both developed a very nasty habit of
crashing when trying to close them down especially if there is a
document which needs to be saved.
It also happens on portable copies of both!
I am glad that in your cases they work properly! But! In my case
all these crashes and when re-opening the program and it saying that it
needs to recover un-saved documents and it crashes itself. And,
sometimes it also takes NVDA down with it!
So, I am really happy for those who have no issues with Libre/Open
Office!


On 4/8/2016 8:35 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello!
did you try libreoffice?
its accessible, open source and very great program!
i used it since more than one year and 9 mounth and i am satisfied
with it.
its my only choice for now and for always.
its the best program which i tested and also its developers and users
are very kind and friendly people.

On 4/8/16, Dan Kerstetter <dhk55@comcast.net> wrote:
I have found it to be very useable. I generally only use Outlook
2016 and
Word 2016. I've had some problems scrolling through my message
list in
Outlook; but other than that, it seems to work just fine. As far as
I can
see, any problems I've had are program related and not screen reader
specific, as I have the same problems with other screen readers.

HTH
Da
N


-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:gmjc341961@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:30 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] MS Office 365

Hello All:
I asked the question to a fellow list member in private about
how
accessible MS Office 365 was/is with NVDA?
After having received a one line not very helpful answer to my
question. I am now going to ask all members of the NVDA mailing list
the
same question of how accessible is Office 365 with NVDA?
I have decided to subscribe to Office 365 since at times the
various
Open Office variants seem not to always work correctly and crash
far too
many times for my liking!
I hope that other list members will be more generous with their
comments/suggestions!
This list has always been known for having kind and very helpful
members! One bad apple can at times spoil it for everyone else!
Thank You! In advance for all your good/kind suggestions!!!

--
Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@gmail.com












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good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
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al-islam.org


Re: Problem with reading pdf

Afrim <afrim.maja@...>
 

I opened a PDF book using iBooks on iPhone, but nothing could be read.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William [mailto:cwwong.pro@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2016 2:06 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with reading pdf

Although it is off topic, to answer your question, I just open the pdf with the native app of Dropbox. And I also opened it with Adobe reader.


Afrim 於 9/4/2016 13:19 寫道:
Can you really read documents on iPad and not on windows? That is relly strange. By the way, what kind of software do you use on your iPad to read the document?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 9, 2016, at 2:57 AM, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, I do use Omnipage or Fine reader as well.
But I though it is strange that why the text can be read on ipad but not on my windows.
If the text is to be extracted through OCR, it is definitely that may have little mistake when compareing with the original copy. Ihope if the text can be read on my windows, then I can copy them directly.



Clare Page 於 8/4/2016 17:33 寫道:
Hi!
I've been sent plenty of .pdf files where NVDA says the file is either blank or needs OCR. This isn't a fault of the .pdf reader, such a message is usually caused by the fact that the contents of the .pdf are an image rather than text. Interesting that such a file showed up as text readable by Voiceover on an iPad: I can't explain that!
However, as regards a solution to the problem of such blank-looking .pdf files on Windows, I use Omnipage, the OCR program I have here, to make the text in such files accessible, even though this usually means having two copies of the file, because the text version is in another format, usually Word in my case.
I'm not familiar with other OCR programs on Windows, but I would guess that at least some of them have a similar function, where image files in .pdf containing text can be converted to formats like .rtf or .doc which are more accessible.
I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William [mailto:cwwong.pro@gmail.com]
Sent: vendredi 8 avril 2016 09:58
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with reading pdf

I have try both pdf reader dc and Adobe Acrobat 9 Pro both failed


Aravind R 於 8/4/2016 15:19 寫道:
I TOO HAD SAME PROBLEM WITH ADOBE READER DC SO I DOWNGRADED IT.
SO FRIENDS GUIDE US HOW TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM

On 4/8/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi.
if you are shure that your pdf books is not Ocr and its usual
document which is changed to document, you can also try balabolka.
its free and can read many document formats.
you can download it from its original website.

www. cross-plus-a.com

thanks for asking and god bless you.

On 4/8/16, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I got a pdf file, when I open with Adobe pdf reader DC on my windows
7, it said it is blank or require OCR.
However, when I send the pdf to my Ipad via dropbox and ope the pdf
with dropbox, the screen reader there can read all those text
content, as if it is totally accessible.
I am not sure how to fix this issue. Cause I need to extract some of
the information from the pdf.....
Do I open it with alternative pdf reader? any recommendations? or
any other advice?
thanks
William
n
--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins
them good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good
things and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from
them their burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for]
those who believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the
light which has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Problem with reading pdf

Mr. Wong Chi Wai <cwwong.pro@...>
 

Although it is off topic, to answer your question, I just open the pdf with the native app of Dropbox. And I also opened it with Adobe reader.


Afrim 於 9/4/2016 13:19 寫道:

Can you really read documents on iPad and not on windows? That is relly strange. By the way, what kind of software do you use on your iPad to read the document?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 9, 2016, at 2:57 AM, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, I do use Omnipage or Fine reader as well.
But I though it is strange that why the text can be read on ipad but not on my windows.
If the text is to be extracted through OCR, it is definitely that may have little mistake when compareing with the original copy. Ihope if the text can be read on my windows, then I can copy them directly.



Clare Page 於 8/4/2016 17:33 寫道:
Hi!
I've been sent plenty of .pdf files where NVDA says the file is either blank or needs OCR. This isn't a fault of the .pdf reader, such a message is usually caused by the fact that the contents of the .pdf are an image rather than text. Interesting that such a file showed up as text readable by Voiceover on an iPad: I can't explain that!
However, as regards a solution to the problem of such blank-looking .pdf files on Windows, I use Omnipage, the OCR program I have here, to make the text in such files accessible, even though this usually means having two copies of the file, because the text version is in another format, usually Word in my case.
I'm not familiar with other OCR programs on Windows, but I would guess that at least some of them have a similar function, where image files in .pdf containing text can be converted to formats like .rtf or .doc which are more accessible.
I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William [mailto:cwwong.pro@gmail.com]
Sent: vendredi 8 avril 2016 09:58
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with reading pdf

I have try both pdf reader dc and Adobe Acrobat 9 Pro both failed


Aravind R 於 8/4/2016 15:19 寫道:
I TOO HAD SAME PROBLEM WITH ADOBE READER DC SO I DOWNGRADED IT.
SO FRIENDS GUIDE US HOW TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM

On 4/8/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi.
if you are shure that your pdf books is not Ocr and its usual
document which is changed to document, you can also try balabolka.
its free and can read many document formats.
you can download it from its original website.

www. cross-plus-a.com

thanks for asking and god bless you.

On 4/8/16, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I got a pdf file, when I open with Adobe pdf reader DC on my windows
7, it said it is blank or require OCR.
However, when I send the pdf to my Ipad via dropbox and ope the pdf
with dropbox, the screen reader there can read all those text
content, as if it is totally accessible.
I am not sure how to fix this issue. Cause I need to extract some of
the information from the pdf.....
Do I open it with alternative pdf reader? any recommendations? or
any other advice?
thanks
William
n
--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins
them good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good
things and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from
them their burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for]
those who believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the
light which has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: MS Office 365

Mr. Wong Chi Wai <cwwong.pro@...>
 

If network is not a problem why not use google docs.


Kevin Cussick via Groups.io 於 9/4/2016 18:54 寫道:

the trick is to hit alt f and close it that way, this seems to be a bug in open office not seen this in lo but maybe the latest version does this.

On 09/04/2016 04:58, Carlos wrote:
Hello:
Both Libre Office and Open Office on my machine when installed
separately from each other have both developed a very nasty habit of
crashing when trying to close them down especially if there is a
document which needs to be saved.
It also happens on portable copies of both!
I am glad that in your cases they work properly! But! In my case
all these crashes and when re-opening the program and it saying that it
needs to recover un-saved documents and it crashes itself. And,
sometimes it also takes NVDA down with it!
So, I am really happy for those who have no issues with Libre/Open Office!


On 4/8/2016 8:35 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello!
did you try libreoffice?
its accessible, open source and very great program!
i used it since more than one year and 9 mounth and i am satisfied
with it.
its my only choice for now and for always.
its the best program which i tested and also its developers and users
are very kind and friendly people.

On 4/8/16, Dan Kerstetter <dhk55@comcast.net> wrote:
I have found it to be very useable. I generally only use Outlook
2016 and
Word 2016. I've had some problems scrolling through my message list in
Outlook; but other than that, it seems to work just fine. As far as
I can
see, any problems I've had are program related and not screen reader
specific, as I have the same problems with other screen readers.

HTH
Da
N


-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:gmjc341961@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:30 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] MS Office 365

Hello All:
I asked the question to a fellow list member in private about how
accessible MS Office 365 was/is with NVDA?
After having received a one line not very helpful answer to my
question. I am now going to ask all members of the NVDA mailing list
the
same question of how accessible is Office 365 with NVDA?
I have decided to subscribe to Office 365 since at times the
various
Open Office variants seem not to always work correctly and crash far too
many times for my liking!
I hope that other list members will be more generous with their
comments/suggestions!
This list has always been known for having kind and very helpful
members! One bad apple can at times spoil it for everyone else!
Thank You! In advance for all your good/kind suggestions!!!

--
Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@gmail.com









Re: MS Office 365

Kevin Cussick
 

the trick is to hit alt f and close it that way, this seems to be a bug in open office not seen this in lo but maybe the latest version does this.

On 09/04/2016 04:58, Carlos wrote:
Hello:
Both Libre Office and Open Office on my machine when installed
separately from each other have both developed a very nasty habit of
crashing when trying to close them down especially if there is a
document which needs to be saved.
It also happens on portable copies of both!
I am glad that in your cases they work properly! But! In my case
all these crashes and when re-opening the program and it saying that it
needs to recover un-saved documents and it crashes itself. And,
sometimes it also takes NVDA down with it!
So, I am really happy for those who have no issues with Libre/Open Office!


On 4/8/2016 8:35 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello!
did you try libreoffice?
its accessible, open source and very great program!
i used it since more than one year and 9 mounth and i am satisfied
with it.
its my only choice for now and for always.
its the best program which i tested and also its developers and users
are very kind and friendly people.

On 4/8/16, Dan Kerstetter <dhk55@comcast.net> wrote:
I have found it to be very useable. I generally only use Outlook
2016 and
Word 2016. I've had some problems scrolling through my message list in
Outlook; but other than that, it seems to work just fine. As far as
I can
see, any problems I've had are program related and not screen reader
specific, as I have the same problems with other screen readers.

HTH
Da
N


-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:gmjc341961@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:30 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] MS Office 365

Hello All:
I asked the question to a fellow list member in private about how
accessible MS Office 365 was/is with NVDA?
After having received a one line not very helpful answer to my
question. I am now going to ask all members of the NVDA mailing list
the
same question of how accessible is Office 365 with NVDA?
I have decided to subscribe to Office 365 since at times the
various
Open Office variants seem not to always work correctly and crash far too
many times for my liking!
I hope that other list members will be more generous with their
comments/suggestions!
This list has always been known for having kind and very helpful
members! One bad apple can at times spoil it for everyone else!
Thank You! In advance for all your good/kind suggestions!!!

--
Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@gmail.com









Re: Kaspersky antivirus, how accessible?

David Parduhn
 

Hi Dan,
How accessible is Kaspersky with NVDA? It seems to get very good
reviews as far as an antivirus tool.
I wrote an nvda add-on for Kaspersky Internet Security which might also
work with Kaspersky Anti virus. The add-on was developed and tested with
KIS 2014, 2015 and 2016; all in Windows 7 x64. The Add-on uses UIA, so I
don't think that it works in Windows xp.
The add-on can be downloaded at
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/67471/avp-0.7.nvda-addon

a (german) discussion thread can be found in the Kaspersky lab forum:
https://forum.kaspersky.com/lofiversion/index.php/t210098.html

happy testing

Dave


Re: Problem with reading pdf

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

No Adobe files seem to be produced now by all sorts of programs. I've had occasions where the whole document has had 1 character on each line, or all words running together with no spaces By far the biggest issue is people producing newspaper like pdfs, but never locally tagging the reading order when the number of columns changes. The second most common cock up is the screen of text which is merely a picture of text. To the sighted, this seems ok in the most part, but I'm told often the clarity of the letters is so bad that not even trying to OCR it will come up with a valid readable result. Sadly a lot of manufacturers manuals fall into this category. If its really good you can use the nvda Add on ocr for the task, but its still yet another step we should not have to use to read a commonly used format.
Yes when we say things crash, often what we mean is that they seem to lose touch with the screenreader, or hang for some minutes for no good reason. The latter issue seems to be something to do with UIA and bugs in its routines that mean when interrogated by the screenreader they suspend the program for a given time.

Brian

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in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Afrim" <afrim.maja@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2016 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with reading pdf


yes, adobe crashes a lot. But even microsoft word crashes on a 400 page book. Audio isn't as problematic as this adobe thing.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 9, 2016, at 7:20 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:

Well the reason this stuff crashes is that the files are large.
sadly windows thinks things have crashed while they are processing.
adobe often says its not responding, but then so does some of my audio programs, they are just taking a while to crunch numbers.



On 9/04/2016 5:13 p.m., Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William wrote:
No, when I open with balabolka, it crashed...


nasrin khaksar 於 9/4/2016 11:21 寫道:
hi.
if you want to only read pdf files that adobe can read them, please
read them with balabolka!
it at least no crashes for me.
but i tested many versions of adobe reader and it crashed in my pdf
documents even with 123 pages!
so, i completely uninstalled it and said goodbye to you for always!

On 4/9/16, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, I do use Omnipage or Fine reader as well.
But I though it is strange that why the text can be read on ipad but not
on my windows.
If the text is to be extracted through OCR, it is definitely that may
have little mistake when compareing with the original copy. Ihope if the
text can be read on my windows, then I can copy them directly.



Clare Page 於 8/4/2016 17:33 寫道:
Hi!
I've been sent plenty of .pdf files where NVDA says the file is either
blank or needs OCR. This isn't a fault of the .pdf reader, such a
message
is usually caused by the fact that the contents of the .pdf are an
image
rather than text. Interesting that such a file showed up as text
readable
by Voiceover on an iPad: I can't explain that!
However, as regards a solution to the problem of such blank-looking
.pdf
files on Windows, I use Omnipage, the OCR program I have here, to
make the
text in such files accessible, even though this usually means having
two
copies of the file, because the text version is in another format,
usually
Word in my case.
I'm not familiar with other OCR programs on Windows, but I would guess
that at least some of them have a similar function, where image
files in
.pdf containing text can be converted to formats like .rtf or .doc
which
are more accessible.
I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William [mailto:cwwong.pro@gmail.com]
Sent: vendredi 8 avril 2016 09:58
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with reading pdf

I have try both pdf reader dc and Adobe Acrobat 9 Pro both failed


Aravind R 於 8/4/2016 15:19 寫道:
I TOO HAD SAME PROBLEM WITH ADOBE READER DC SO I DOWNGRADED IT.
SO FRIENDS GUIDE US HOW TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM

On 4/8/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi.
if you are shure that your pdf books is not Ocr and its usual
document which is changed to document, you can also try balabolka.
its free and can read many document formats.
you can download it from its original website.

www. cross-plus-a.com

thanks for asking and god bless you.

On 4/8/16, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I got a pdf file, when I open with Adobe pdf reader DC on my windows
7, it said it is blank or require OCR.
However, when I send the pdf to my Ipad via dropbox and ope the pdf
with dropbox, the screen reader there can read all those text
content, as if it is totally accessible.
I am not sure how to fix this issue. Cause I need to extract some of
the information from the pdf.....
Do I open it with alternative pdf reader? any recommendations? or
any other advice?
thanks
William
n
--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins
them good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good
things and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from
them their burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for]
those who believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the
light which has been sent down with him, these it is that are the
successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Problem with reading pdf

afrim maja <afrim.maja@...>
 

yes, adobe crashes a lot. But even microsoft word crashes on a 400 page book. Audio isn't as problematic as this adobe thing.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 9, 2016, at 7:20 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:

Well the reason this stuff crashes is that the files are large.
sadly windows thinks things have crashed while they are processing.
adobe often says its not responding, but then so does some of my audio programs, they are just taking a while to crunch numbers.



On 9/04/2016 5:13 p.m., Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William wrote:
No, when I open with balabolka, it crashed...


nasrin khaksar 於 9/4/2016 11:21 寫道:
hi.
if you want to only read pdf files that adobe can read them, please
read them with balabolka!
it at least no crashes for me.
but i tested many versions of adobe reader and it crashed in my pdf
documents even with 123 pages!
so, i completely uninstalled it and said goodbye to you for always!

On 4/9/16, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, I do use Omnipage or Fine reader as well.
But I though it is strange that why the text can be read on ipad but not
on my windows.
If the text is to be extracted through OCR, it is definitely that may
have little mistake when compareing with the original copy. Ihope if the
text can be read on my windows, then I can copy them directly.



Clare Page 於 8/4/2016 17:33 寫道:
Hi!
I've been sent plenty of .pdf files where NVDA says the file is either
blank or needs OCR. This isn't a fault of the .pdf reader, such a
message
is usually caused by the fact that the contents of the .pdf are an
image
rather than text. Interesting that such a file showed up as text
readable
by Voiceover on an iPad: I can't explain that!
However, as regards a solution to the problem of such blank-looking
.pdf
files on Windows, I use Omnipage, the OCR program I have here, to
make the
text in such files accessible, even though this usually means having
two
copies of the file, because the text version is in another format,
usually
Word in my case.
I'm not familiar with other OCR programs on Windows, but I would guess
that at least some of them have a similar function, where image
files in
.pdf containing text can be converted to formats like .rtf or .doc
which
are more accessible.
I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William [mailto:cwwong.pro@gmail.com]
Sent: vendredi 8 avril 2016 09:58
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with reading pdf

I have try both pdf reader dc and Adobe Acrobat 9 Pro both failed


Aravind R 於 8/4/2016 15:19 寫道:
I TOO HAD SAME PROBLEM WITH ADOBE READER DC SO I DOWNGRADED IT.
SO FRIENDS GUIDE US HOW TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM

On 4/8/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi.
if you are shure that your pdf books is not Ocr and its usual
document which is changed to document, you can also try balabolka.
its free and can read many document formats.
you can download it from its original website.

www. cross-plus-a.com

thanks for asking and god bless you.

On 4/8/16, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I got a pdf file, when I open with Adobe pdf reader DC on my windows
7, it said it is blank or require OCR.
However, when I send the pdf to my Ipad via dropbox and ope the pdf
with dropbox, the screen reader there can read all those text
content, as if it is totally accessible.
I am not sure how to fix this issue. Cause I need to extract some of
the information from the pdf.....
Do I open it with alternative pdf reader? any recommendations? or
any other advice?
thanks
William
n
--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins
them good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good
things and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from
them their burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for]
those who believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the
light which has been sent down with him, these it is that are the
successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: MS Office 365

slery <slerythema@...>
 

I use everything except powerpoint all without problems. Outlook is used daily, word most days for long and short documents and creating envelopes (which were tricky until I got the hang of where things were located), excel quite often though I don't create a lot of formulas because I use documents that I just copy over for the new year, access is usable but not pleasant though it is not pleasant and mostly unusable with other screen readers.

Cindy

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:gmjc341961@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:30 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] MS Office 365

Hello All:
I asked the question to a fellow list member in private about how accessible MS Office 365 was/is with NVDA?
After having received a one line not very helpful answer to my question. I am now going to ask all members of the NVDA mailing list the same question of how accessible is Office 365 with NVDA?
I have decided to subscribe to Office 365 since at times the various Open Office variants seem not to always work correctly and crash far too many times for my liking!
I hope that other list members will be more generous with their comments/suggestions!
This list has always been known for having kind and very helpful members! One bad apple can at times spoil it for everyone else!
Thank You! In advance for all your good/kind suggestions!!!

--
Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@gmail.com


Re: Problem with reading pdf

 

Well the reason this stuff crashes is that the files are large.
sadly windows thinks things have crashed while they are processing.
adobe often says its not responding, but then so does some of my audio programs, they are just taking a while to crunch numbers.

On 9/04/2016 5:13 p.m., Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William wrote:
No, when I open with balabolka, it crashed...


nasrin khaksar 於 9/4/2016 11:21 寫道:
hi.
if you want to only read pdf files that adobe can read them, please
read them with balabolka!
it at least no crashes for me.
but i tested many versions of adobe reader and it crashed in my pdf
documents even with 123 pages!
so, i completely uninstalled it and said goodbye to you for always!

On 4/9/16, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, I do use Omnipage or Fine reader as well.
But I though it is strange that why the text can be read on ipad but not
on my windows.
If the text is to be extracted through OCR, it is definitely that may
have little mistake when compareing with the original copy. Ihope if the
text can be read on my windows, then I can copy them directly.



Clare Page 於 8/4/2016 17:33 寫道:
Hi!
I've been sent plenty of .pdf files where NVDA says the file is either
blank or needs OCR. This isn't a fault of the .pdf reader, such a
message
is usually caused by the fact that the contents of the .pdf are an
image
rather than text. Interesting that such a file showed up as text
readable
by Voiceover on an iPad: I can't explain that!
However, as regards a solution to the problem of such blank-looking
.pdf
files on Windows, I use Omnipage, the OCR program I have here, to
make the
text in such files accessible, even though this usually means having
two
copies of the file, because the text version is in another format,
usually
Word in my case.
I'm not familiar with other OCR programs on Windows, but I would guess
that at least some of them have a similar function, where image
files in
.pdf containing text can be converted to formats like .rtf or .doc
which
are more accessible.
I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William [mailto:cwwong.pro@gmail.com]
Sent: vendredi 8 avril 2016 09:58
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with reading pdf

I have try both pdf reader dc and Adobe Acrobat 9 Pro both failed


Aravind R 於 8/4/2016 15:19 寫道:
I TOO HAD SAME PROBLEM WITH ADOBE READER DC SO I DOWNGRADED IT.
SO FRIENDS GUIDE US HOW TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM

On 4/8/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi.
if you are shure that your pdf books is not Ocr and its usual
document which is changed to document, you can also try balabolka.
its free and can read many document formats.
you can download it from its original website.

www. cross-plus-a.com

thanks for asking and god bless you.

On 4/8/16, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I got a pdf file, when I open with Adobe pdf reader DC on my windows
7, it said it is blank or require OCR.
However, when I send the pdf to my Ipad via dropbox and ope the pdf
with dropbox, the screen reader there can read all those text
content, as if it is totally accessible.
I am not sure how to fix this issue. Cause I need to extract some of
the information from the pdf.....
Do I open it with alternative pdf reader? any recommendations? or
any other advice?
thanks
William
n





--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins
them good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good
things and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from
them their burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for]
those who believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the
light which has been sent down with him, these it is that are the
successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org











Re: Problem with reading pdf

afrim maja <afrim.maja@...>
 

Can you really read documents on iPad and not on windows? That is relly strange. By the way, what kind of software do you use on your iPad to read the document?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 9, 2016, at 2:57 AM, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, I do use Omnipage or Fine reader as well.
But I though it is strange that why the text can be read on ipad but not on my windows.
If the text is to be extracted through OCR, it is definitely that may have little mistake when compareing with the original copy. Ihope if the text can be read on my windows, then I can copy them directly.



Clare Page 於 8/4/2016 17:33 寫道:
Hi!
I've been sent plenty of .pdf files where NVDA says the file is either blank or needs OCR. This isn't a fault of the .pdf reader, such a message is usually caused by the fact that the contents of the .pdf are an image rather than text. Interesting that such a file showed up as text readable by Voiceover on an iPad: I can't explain that!
However, as regards a solution to the problem of such blank-looking .pdf files on Windows, I use Omnipage, the OCR program I have here, to make the text in such files accessible, even though this usually means having two copies of the file, because the text version is in another format, usually Word in my case.
I'm not familiar with other OCR programs on Windows, but I would guess that at least some of them have a similar function, where image files in .pdf containing text can be converted to formats like .rtf or .doc which are more accessible.
I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William [mailto:cwwong.pro@gmail.com]
Sent: vendredi 8 avril 2016 09:58
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with reading pdf

I have try both pdf reader dc and Adobe Acrobat 9 Pro both failed


Aravind R 於 8/4/2016 15:19 寫道:
I TOO HAD SAME PROBLEM WITH ADOBE READER DC SO I DOWNGRADED IT.
SO FRIENDS GUIDE US HOW TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM

On 4/8/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi.
if you are shure that your pdf books is not Ocr and its usual
document which is changed to document, you can also try balabolka.
its free and can read many document formats.
you can download it from its original website.

www. cross-plus-a.com

thanks for asking and god bless you.

On 4/8/16, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I got a pdf file, when I open with Adobe pdf reader DC on my windows
7, it said it is blank or require OCR.
However, when I send the pdf to my Ipad via dropbox and ope the pdf
with dropbox, the screen reader there can read all those text
content, as if it is totally accessible.
I am not sure how to fix this issue. Cause I need to extract some of
the information from the pdf.....
Do I open it with alternative pdf reader? any recommendations? or
any other advice?
thanks
William
n
--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins
them good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good
things and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from
them their burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for]
those who believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the
light which has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



Re: Problem with reading pdf

Mr. Wong Chi Wai <cwwong.pro@...>
 

No, when I open with balabolka, it crashed...


nasrin khaksar 於 9/4/2016 11:21 寫道:

hi.
if you want to only read pdf files that adobe can read them, please
read them with balabolka!
it at least no crashes for me.
but i tested many versions of adobe reader and it crashed in my pdf
documents even with 123 pages!
so, i completely uninstalled it and said goodbye to you for always!

On 4/9/16, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, I do use Omnipage or Fine reader as well.
But I though it is strange that why the text can be read on ipad but not
on my windows.
If the text is to be extracted through OCR, it is definitely that may
have little mistake when compareing with the original copy. Ihope if the
text can be read on my windows, then I can copy them directly.



Clare Page 於 8/4/2016 17:33 寫道:
Hi!
I've been sent plenty of .pdf files where NVDA says the file is either
blank or needs OCR. This isn't a fault of the .pdf reader, such a message
is usually caused by the fact that the contents of the .pdf are an image
rather than text. Interesting that such a file showed up as text readable
by Voiceover on an iPad: I can't explain that!
However, as regards a solution to the problem of such blank-looking .pdf
files on Windows, I use Omnipage, the OCR program I have here, to make the
text in such files accessible, even though this usually means having two
copies of the file, because the text version is in another format, usually
Word in my case.
I'm not familiar with other OCR programs on Windows, but I would guess
that at least some of them have a similar function, where image files in
.pdf containing text can be converted to formats like .rtf or .doc which
are more accessible.
I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William [mailto:cwwong.pro@gmail.com]
Sent: vendredi 8 avril 2016 09:58
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with reading pdf

I have try both pdf reader dc and Adobe Acrobat 9 Pro both failed


Aravind R 於 8/4/2016 15:19 寫道:
I TOO HAD SAME PROBLEM WITH ADOBE READER DC SO I DOWNGRADED IT.
SO FRIENDS GUIDE US HOW TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM

On 4/8/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi.
if you are shure that your pdf books is not Ocr and its usual
document which is changed to document, you can also try balabolka.
its free and can read many document formats.
you can download it from its original website.

www. cross-plus-a.com

thanks for asking and god bless you.

On 4/8/16, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I got a pdf file, when I open with Adobe pdf reader DC on my windows
7, it said it is blank or require OCR.
However, when I send the pdf to my Ipad via dropbox and ope the pdf
with dropbox, the screen reader there can read all those text
content, as if it is totally accessible.
I am not sure how to fix this issue. Cause I need to extract some of
the information from the pdf.....
Do I open it with alternative pdf reader? any recommendations? or
any other advice?
thanks
William
n





--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins
them good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good
things and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from
them their burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for]
those who believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the
light which has been sent down with him, these it is that are the
successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org









Re: trying to read a google book with NVDA and firefox but am not having much luck

slery <slerythema@...>
 

This is PC magazine January 14 1986. There is a subscribe button. If you are
trying to purchase this specific issue, you should try pcmag.com.

Hope that helps.

Cindy

-----Original Message-----
From: Pete [mailto:emac00@cogeco.ca]
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 8:43 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to read a google book with NVDA and firefox but
am not having much luck


me neither, may be the publisher has a sale link. Are there more than
167 pages to this book? It looks like you can navigate page by page by
putting page numbers in the edit box.

On 4/8/2016 11:43 AM, Stephen wrote:
But I can't find the link to buy the book.
At 12:08 AM 4/9/2016, you wrote:

It's a link to a preview of the book, it's only an image and being
a preview I would say yes you have to buy the book.
Pete
On 4/7/2016 11:57 PM, Stephen wrote:
Hello.
I am trying to read a google book, but am not having much luck.
Do I have to buy the book from google play before I can read it, or
can I read it for free?
Here is the link in case anyone else wants to give it a try.
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=hoPbDSDNLTQC&pg=PA167&lpg=PA167
&dq=PROTECTION+SYSTEM+BY+MIKE+BROWN&source=bl&ots=Kem8k23AyL&sig=q6-
LKfPb2uUwTQ9cXfbBQ7rKqBI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjkhaSW8PvLAhXJFpQKHfd
ND_0Q6AEIMTAH

Thanks.







Re: MS Office 365

Carlos
 

Hello:
Both Libre Office and Open Office on my machine when installed separately from each other have both developed a very nasty habit of crashing when trying to close them down especially if there is a document which needs to be saved.
It also happens on portable copies of both!
I am glad that in your cases they work properly! But! In my case all these crashes and when re-opening the program and it saying that it needs to recover un-saved documents and it crashes itself. And, sometimes it also takes NVDA down with it!
So, I am really happy for those who have no issues with Libre/Open Office!

On 4/8/2016 8:35 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello!
did you try libreoffice?
its accessible, open source and very great program!
i used it since more than one year and 9 mounth and i am satisfied with it.
its my only choice for now and for always.
its the best program which i tested and also its developers and users
are very kind and friendly people.

On 4/8/16, Dan Kerstetter <dhk55@comcast.net> wrote:
I have found it to be very useable. I generally only use Outlook 2016 and
Word 2016. I've had some problems scrolling through my message list in
Outlook; but other than that, it seems to work just fine. As far as I can
see, any problems I've had are program related and not screen reader
specific, as I have the same problems with other screen readers.

HTH
Da
N


-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:gmjc341961@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:30 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] MS Office 365

Hello All:
I asked the question to a fellow list member in private about how
accessible MS Office 365 was/is with NVDA?
After having received a one line not very helpful answer to my
question. I am now going to ask all members of the NVDA mailing list the
same question of how accessible is Office 365 with NVDA?
I have decided to subscribe to Office 365 since at times the various
Open Office variants seem not to always work correctly and crash far too
many times for my liking!
I hope that other list members will be more generous with their
comments/suggestions!
This list has always been known for having kind and very helpful
members! One bad apple can at times spoil it for everyone else!
Thank You! In advance for all your good/kind suggestions!!!

--
Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@gmail.com








--
Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@gmail.com


Re: MS Office 365

 

hello!
did you try libreoffice?
its accessible, open source and very great program!
i used it since more than one year and 9 mounth and i am satisfied with it.
its my only choice for now and for always.
its the best program which i tested and also its developers and users
are very kind and friendly people.

On 4/8/16, Dan Kerstetter <dhk55@comcast.net> wrote:
I have found it to be very useable. I generally only use Outlook 2016 and
Word 2016. I've had some problems scrolling through my message list in
Outlook; but other than that, it seems to work just fine. As far as I can
see, any problems I've had are program related and not screen reader
specific, as I have the same problems with other screen readers.

HTH
Da
N


-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:gmjc341961@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:30 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] MS Office 365

Hello All:
I asked the question to a fellow list member in private about how
accessible MS Office 365 was/is with NVDA?
After having received a one line not very helpful answer to my
question. I am now going to ask all members of the NVDA mailing list the
same question of how accessible is Office 365 with NVDA?
I have decided to subscribe to Office 365 since at times the various
Open Office variants seem not to always work correctly and crash far too
many times for my liking!
I hope that other list members will be more generous with their
comments/suggestions!
This list has always been known for having kind and very helpful
members! One bad apple can at times spoil it for everyone else!
Thank You! In advance for all your good/kind suggestions!!!

--
Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@gmail.com








--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org