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Re: Microsoft Edge

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

There's one on the accessibility central site. There's also one on Freedom Scientific's site. It's on the webinars page.

On 10/20/2020 1:07 PM, Don H wrote:
Wanting to make the leap to Edge.  Are there any good tutorials to help me get started?  For example can't figure out how to set the home or start up page.






Re: Microsoft Edge

 

Don, since edge is chromium based, most of what will work for chrome will work for this to.

On 21/10/2020 9:07 am, Don H wrote:
Wanting to make the leap to Edge.  Are there any good tutorials to help me get started?  For example can't figure out how to set the home or start up page.






Possible cause of a problem with firefox and waterfox when using NVDA along with global commands extension

Jacob Kruger
 

Not really an issue at the moment, since have fixed it here, and, yes, I didn't follow the recent threads on issues with making use of waterfox/firefox, but, just did a completely clean reinstallation of my windows 10 64 bit machine from scratch, and, while installing software packages, and reconfiguring combinations of NVDA and add-ons, etc., I found out that the moment I installed global commands extension, both waterfox and firefox no longer seemed to allow me to interact with the web-page contents, besides tabbing through all elements.


Chrome-based browsers, like chrome itself and brave still seemed to work fine, though.


When I then went into the global commands extension settings, and, turned off it's extended virtual buffer extension, suddenly both those browsers, running versions of the same engine under the hood started working fine again.


In other words, just posting this here in case it's affecting someone else, and, in case this form of a solution wasn't figured out in the prior thread - sorry if duplicate info.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."


Microsoft Edge

Don H
 

Wanting to make the leap to Edge.  Are there any good tutorials to help me get started?  For example can't figure out how to set the home or start up page.


Re: windows feature update 20h2

 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 03:25 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Right. At least that’s as far as users need to know. Internally, 20H2 features are in a dormant state.
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Then it's a staging update, but not the true Feature Update.  I have gone through the staging updates in the past, but until and unless the Windows 10 Version and Build numbers actually change, it's not a Feature Update in any meaningful sense of the word.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: windows feature update 20h2

 

Hi,

Right. At least that’s as far as users need to know. Internally, 20H2 features are in a dormant state.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 12:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows feature update 20h2

 

OK, but that still doesn't explain to me why Build 19041.572 shows Version 2004 if it is indeed a feature update.  No earlier feature updates, including the ones that were "trivial" feature updates, have left the version number the same.  I expect I will see Version 20H2 once the feature update is applied.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: windows feature update 20h2

 

Well interestingly the update has appeared on my 4th gen workstation which has to be at least5 years old now but not on my amd laptop.

And yet, it does appear bar java and the display drivers which are updated nothing should be stopping it.

On my workstation, the update took 5 minutes to load and all I did was change the alt tab behaviour so it opens everything normally excluding edge tabs in the alt tab list because I like it like that.

Nothing was changed, in fact the only thing that has changed is the 20h2 tag, even the build is the same.

Nothing seems to be effecting things so far and nothing major needed to be updated.

In fact bar a few app updates I hardly noticed the update curve.

On 21/10/2020 7:59 am, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
NO, it's a feature update - build 19042.572. To check if you've got Version 20H2, open Action Center and see if "tablet mode" is present on desktop systems - if it isn't, then you have 20H2 unless tablet mode is unpinned.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 11:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows feature update 20h2

If you're referring to build # 572, I don't know what the new features are, bas I've seen no change in behavior or programs since I installed it on three systems.


On 10/20/2020 2:28 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Just noticed its come out, not yet for my laptop, but I will wait for it.

What have users found with it so far.



On 21/10/2020 7:16 am, Don H wrote:
Just installed the latest feature update to Windows 10. Took less
than 10 minutes to install. I was offered it as a optional update.







.


Re: windows feature update 20h2

 

OK, but that still doesn't explain to me why Build 19041.572 shows Version 2004 if it is indeed a feature update.  No earlier feature updates, including the ones that were "trivial" feature updates, have left the version number the same.  I expect I will see Version 20H2 once the feature update is applied.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: windows feature update 20h2

 

Hi,

No, 19042 just graduated to stable build status. Although the build numbers are different, 2004 and 20H2 share same system internals – there are hidden flags that the enablement package for 20H2 will simply modify, which is essentially the same mechanism as 2019 feature updates.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 12:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows feature update 20h2

 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 02:59 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

NO, it's a feature update - build 19042.572.

-
Joseph, just so you know, I have 19041.572, and winver still shows Version 2004.  I think 19042 is fast ring, but don't they generally keep the dot numbers the same?

 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: windows feature update 20h2

 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 02:59 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
NO, it's a feature update - build 19042.572.
-
Joseph, just so you know, I have 19041.572, and winver still shows Version 2004.  I think 19042 is fast ring, but don't they generally keep the dot numbers the same?

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: windows feature update 20h2

 

Hi,
NO, it's a feature update - build 19042.572. To check if you've got Version 20H2, open Action Center and see if "tablet mode" is present on desktop systems - if it isn't, then you have 20H2 unless tablet mode is unpinned.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 11:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows feature update 20h2

If you're referring to build # 572, I don't know what the new features are, bas I've seen no change in behavior or programs since I installed it on three systems.


On 10/20/2020 2:28 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Just noticed its come out, not yet for my laptop, but I will wait for it.

What have users found with it so far.



On 21/10/2020 7:16 am, Don H wrote:
Just installed the latest feature update to Windows 10. Took less
than 10 minutes to install. I was offered it as a optional update.


Re: windows feature update 20h2

Steve Matzura
 

If you're referring to build # 572, I don't know what the new features are, bas I've seen no change in behavior or programs since I installed it on three systems.

On 10/20/2020 2:28 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Just noticed its come out, not yet for my laptop, but I will wait for it.

What have users found with it so far.



On 21/10/2020 7:16 am, Don H wrote:
Just installed the latest feature update to Windows 10.  Took less than 10 minutes to install.  I was offered it as a optional update.


Re: windows feature update 20h2

Don H
 

See no difference after installing the feature update.

On 10/20/2020 1:28 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Just noticed its come out, not yet for my laptop, but I will wait for it.

What have users found with it so far.



On 21/10/2020 7:16 am, Don H wrote:
Just installed the latest feature update to Windows 10.  Took less than 10 minutes to install.  I was offered it as a optional update.











Re: windows feature update 20h2

 

Just noticed its come out, not yet for my laptop, but I will wait for it.

What have users found with it so far.

On 21/10/2020 7:16 am, Don H wrote:
Just installed the latest feature update to Windows 10.  Took less than 10 minutes to install.  I was offered it as a optional update.






Re: Buying Compact vocalizer voices

Daniel McGee
 

It is because I have a hearing impairment. This is why I prefer compact versions. I'm only seeing the normal versions of the vocalizer expressive voices and not the compact ones.

On 20 Oct 2020, at 17:24, Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@gmail.com> wrote:

I personally don't know why people like the compact voices. To me,
they sound like complete crap and are all full of static. I've got
Daniel on my computer and could use him with NVDA if I wanted. I have
the scansoft version of him using SAPI5. However, he isn't my
favorite voice. He sounds very arrogant and snobbish at least to me.
But to each their own. Good luck.

On 10/20/20, Chris via groups.io <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
You get all voices available to you to use including Daniel and whatever
other voices you need to use


From: Daniel McGee
Sent: 20 October 2020 16:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Buying Compact vocalizer voices

H







--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson





windows feature update 20h2

Don H
 

Just installed the latest feature update to Windows 10.  Took less than 10 minutes to install.  I was offered it as a optional update.


Re: NVDA Settings Documentation

 

Gene,

          There's definitely intelligence being displayed in relation to links, at the very least.  It would be disastrous to split links in virtually any context I can think of.  They really are an atomic unit.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: NVDA Settings Documentation

 

Hi,
Had to dig into C++ part of NvDA to figure this out:
This setting sets browse mode line length, so yes, it applies to when reading by line. Specifically, based on what I can tell, it will do its best to break at word boundaries. This is one of the reasons why links can "span" across multiple lines in browse mode.
In terms of documenting this, one way to improve this is taking Brian's suggestions into account: expand that section and give practical examples, like the following:

This field sets the maximum length of a line in browse mode (in characters) for reading by line purposes.
Unlike documents in programs such as Word and Notepad, browse mode documents do not have a specific line length or a new line character to denote ends of lines.
Because of this, you can set arbitrary line lengths between 10 and 250 characters, and NVDA will try to split lines at word boundaries.
A side effect of this setting is that links and other elements will be split onto multiple browse mode lines.

I'm sure we can make it better, but at least the one I wrote above might be a useful starting point and captures the discussion so far.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 9:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Settings Documentation

We'll see what others say but I know it applies to moving by lines. If I do something else that causes a line to be read, such as move by screen, with page up or down, or move to beginning or end of a document or tab, I would think it would apply in all those contexts, but we'll see what others say.

The intelligent question is a very interesting one and One I haven't thought of. Based on my experience, I don't recall ever having words split when I read in browse mode and the document has no such splitting, I think it is intelligent.

Just how much of such discussions should be in the user guide depends on what the purpose of the guide is. Perhaps some of these stipulations should be in some sort of document for developers or a wiki rather than in a user guide.

I wonder if this or that effect of a command my not be considered when discussing it by those who really know details. A wiki might be a good way to address this. I just found this very interesting discrepancy:
If I set the line length to a short amount, moving using k to move by link will cause an entire link to be read, no matter how long. Moving by arrow or tab and shift tab, will cause the line length stipulated to be read with more of the link being read as I move in the link. Its an interesting discrepancy and one I wonder if those knowledgeable in the matter have given any thought about as to implementation and what is desirable.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Settings Documentation

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 10:32 PM, Gene wrote:
I would compare it to Word Wrap in Notepad except that you define the number of characters before the wrap occurs.- Gene, that is a good analogy. But what I want to know is what "reading command context(s)" this has an effect on. I'm imagining only line-by-line reading, but . . .

Having something under the setting such as, "If a document has a line longer than the number of characters you set, for line reading it will be split into multiple virtual lines of the maximum length you specify."

I also wonder if it's intelligent as far as splitting at word boundaries, not hard and fast character counts. Mid-word splits would make things potentially very ugly.

That setting, naked as it is, is not something that's intuitive, clearly, just based on this topic. And I'm not saying that you're arguing that it is, just restating the need for some context regarding settings where the effect of same is in no way immediately obvious to the uninitiated (and even the initiated, much later on).

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

~ Kelley Boorn


Re: Buying Compact vocalizer voices

Joshua Hendrickson
 

I personally don't know why people like the compact voices. To me,
they sound like complete crap and are all full of static. I've got
Daniel on my computer and could use him with NVDA if I wanted. I have
the scansoft version of him using SAPI5. However, he isn't my
favorite voice. He sounds very arrogant and snobbish at least to me.
But to each their own. Good luck.

On 10/20/20, Chris via groups.io <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
You get all voices available to you to use including Daniel and whatever
other voices you need to use


From: Daniel McGee
Sent: 20 October 2020 16:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Buying Compact vocalizer voices

H






--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson


Re: NVDA Settings Documentation

Gene
 

We'll see what others say but I know it applies to moving by lines. If I do something else that causes a line to be read, such as move by screen, with page up or down, or move to beginning or end of a document or tab, I would think it would apply in all those contexts, but we'll see what others say.

The intelligent question is a very interesting one and One I haven't thought of. Based on my experience, I don't recall ever having words split when I read in browse mode and the document has no such splitting, I think it is intelligent.

Just how much of such discussions should be in the user guide depends on what the purpose of the guide is. Perhaps some of these stipulations should be in some sort of document for developers or a wiki rather than in a user guide.

I wonder if this or that effect of a command my not be considered when discussing it by those who really know details. A wiki might be a good way to address this. I just found this very interesting discrepancy:
If I set the line length to a short amount, moving using k to move by link will cause an entire link to be read, no matter how long. Moving by arrow or tab and shift tab, will cause the line length stipulated to be read with more of the link being read as I move in the link. Its an interesting discrepancy and one I wonder if those knowledgeable in the matter have given any thought about as to implementation and what is desirable.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Settings Documentation

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 10:32 PM, Gene wrote:
I would compare it to Word Wrap in Notepad except that you define the number of characters before the wrap occurs.-
Gene, that is a good analogy. But what I want to know is what "reading command context(s)" this has an effect on. I'm imagining only line-by-line reading, but . . .

Having something under the setting such as, "If a document has a line longer than the number of characters you set, for line reading it will be split into multiple virtual lines of the maximum length you specify."

I also wonder if it's intelligent as far as splitting at word boundaries, not hard and fast character counts. Mid-word splits would make things potentially very ugly.

That setting, naked as it is, is not something that's intuitive, clearly, just based on this topic. And I'm not saying that you're arguing that it is, just restating the need for some context regarding settings where the effect of same is in no way immediately obvious to the uninitiated (and even the initiated, much later on).

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

~ Kelley Boorn

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