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Re: NVDA and current selection in file explorer

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


The following will help so you know when it is selected or not and the add on will tell you how many were high lighted  etc.


Do not worry about the spelling mistakes they will be fixed up before they go to my website.



  *Selecting and unselecting files in file explorer
when you go into a folder in file explorer you might only want to copy certain files out of that folder. They might not be together or in a group. to copy only certain files out of the folder if there are heaps of them you will need to do the following.
it would be easier to go to the top of the folder so you can see all the files below. Now hold down the CTRL key then use the space bar to select or unselect hightlight files. Each time you press the space bar on a unselected file it will then become selected. Work your way down the files you want and select them with the spacebar while still holding the CTRL key.
You should hear  wheather it is select or unselected. as you arrow down the list of files.r To confirm which ones you selected while still holding down the CTRL key go to the top of the folder then arrow down the list. If it only says the name of the song it is selected but if it says the name of the song and unselected then you know it is not. Usually the status bar can be read with the NVDA key + END key but not at present.

Gene nz

On 18/10/2020 12:27 pm, William Wong wrote:
Hi all,

In file explorer, after doing file or folder selection with shift up or down arrow, if I press num 5 key, it will only report the last item being selected.

After reading the user menu, it seemed that there is no way to report what are the items being selected?

Thanks,

William





Re: NVDA and current selection in file explorer

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


the following add on might help it will also give you the status bar in file explorer and how many things you have hightlighted to copy.


The link to the drop box is https://www.dropbox.com/s/a935bus11i8y8k0/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=0 <https://www.dropbox.com/s/a935bus11i8y8k0/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=0> is where it is .


I had to look up in my installed add ons to see what it was called I think it might need a easier to remember name.


Gene nz

On 18/10/2020 12:27 pm, William Wong wrote:
Hi all,

In file explorer, after doing file or folder selection with shift up or down arrow, if I press num 5 key, it will only report the last item being selected.

After reading the user menu, it seemed that there is no way to report what are the items being selected?

Thanks,

William





NVDA and current selection in file explorer

William
 

Hi all,

In file explorer, after doing file or folder selection with shift up or down arrow, if I press num 5 key, it will only report the last item being selected.

After reading the user menu, it seemed that there is no way to report what are the items being selected?

Thanks,

William


Re: NVDA + 1 under new tab page of Chrome

William
 

Oh thanks.

I really do not know it should only work if the focus is on the document. I originally thought that it works if the current active window is a web browser.


Gene 於 17/10/2020 22:12 寫道:

If you are in the right place, browse mode should be on.  Make sure you are actually in the blank page.  Use f6 as probably the fastest way to get there.  I have my browsers open to a blank page and if I am in the right place, browse mode is active and the descriptions work as you describe.

If you open a blank new tab with control n, you are placed on the address bar, not in the actual page.
-----Original Message----- From: William Wong
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2020 5:37 AM
To: NVDA Mailing List
Subject: [nvda] NVDA + 1 under new tab page of Chrome

Hello,

Normally, when particular page is opened in Chrome, pressing nvda 1,
then press those navigational keys (e.g. k) will speak its respective
function in web navigation (e.g. link for k)

But I just found out that, if the current page is a blank new tab page
(e.g. a blank page after opening Chrome) pressing nvda 1, and press
those navigational keys will not speak its function, but just speak the
English letter.

I would like to know, is this a normal behavior?


Thanks,

William










Re: my friend's problem is solved for now

 

I agree.

For a while at home we got our computers constructed and customised by a local guy.

When he retired he put us onto his  supplier which is also good.

Saying that, said supplier is not the one that sells you extras, you find what you want, and say I want it and thats all.

My laptop I am typing this message on and the keyboard come from this supplier and they have a good track record on repair.

Most of the people I do repairs for can't afford that much so every christmas  I always seem to recieve a large pack of chocolate, or well whatever.

On 18/10/2020 5:15 am, Chris Smart wrote:
I hate to say you sometimes get what you pay for...


That said, good help is hard to find.

I'm lucky in that I found a local independent computer repairer and recycler who have been in business for a long time. So far, they've been friendly, knowledgeable, and quite fair on pricing.


Chris


On 2020-10-17 12:10 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,


The techie that took my friend's computer to supposedly fix it did it out of his ownhome. He kept it for over a year and when my friend tried to call him to ask about the computer, he never returned her calls. I've heard of dishonesty but this takes the cake! Now she's having trouble with it again. She has to redownload NVDA so I think there's something wrong with the computer itself.


Rosemarie



On 10/17/2020 6:26 AM, Gene wrote:
And repair places often update programs that shouldn't be updated because the new versions aren't accessible.  If a machine is taken into a repair place, perhaps an agreement, perhaps in writing, should be made that no changes, except those necessary to repair, including disinfect, a computer will be made without the approval of the owner.

I have no idea if repair places will accept such agreements but I pose the topic for discussion.

Gene

-----Original Message----- From: Leslie
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 10:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now



One time I took my computer to Geek Squad and they messed one of my computers up royally too.  My computer went through two other parties before it was fixed.  That computer spent its entire life with me and I got another computer and some left over voices were loaded onto a brand new computer.  I just removed them recently. Repair places can really mess up computers when they don’t understand screen reader software.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now





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Re: my friend's problem is solved for now

Sarah k Alawami
 

That will be in task bar under personalization. I have that shut off actually so I see **all** of the stuff in my system tray.


Tc

On 10/17/2020 12:49 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:
Hi.  I can't find the navigation button that was mentioned, but the information in the overflow area was shown when I pressed the LEFT ARROW.  With regard to reliable computer companies, I've managed to find a local independent company that is willing to work with adaptive technology, and make sure that it's working correctly before releasing the computer.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: my friend's problem is solved for now

Gene
 

I'm not sure what that means. While its good that they are willing to do so, do they have the knowledge to evaluate how it works? If they upgrade a program, do they know how to evaluate whether it is accessible?

I don't want anyone who isn't an adaptive technology specialist to make changes to my computer that might affect accessibility, the resolution of the video display, upgrading programs, nothing without my consent.

One reason we have problems with accessibility of programs is that those who develop the program don't know how to evaluate what is good or not good or almost meaningless accessibility. What good are the controls of a dialog, such as a yes or no button being read if the text of the dialog isn't. I've seen that in this or that program, where accessibility isn't properly implemented. I've seen most things read properly but what does the button do that just says button. How do I know if it affects what I want to do when using or working with settings in a program?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Louise Pfau
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2020 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now

Hi. I can't find the navigation button that was mentioned, but the information in the overflow area was shown when I pressed the LEFT ARROW. With regard to reliable computer companies, I've managed to find a local independent company that is willing to work with adaptive technology, and make sure that it's working correctly before releasing the computer.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: my friend's problem is solved for now

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I can't find the navigation button that was mentioned, but the information in the overflow area was shown when I pressed the LEFT ARROW.  With regard to reliable computer companies, I've managed to find a local independent company that is willing to work with adaptive technology, and make sure that it's working correctly before releasing the computer.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: my friend's problem is solved for now

tim
 

Some will go with that deal and some just format, replace and out the door.
No shop or tech should keep a box for a week or more unless having supply issues.
I once had to wait a month for graphic cards. Gamers get real impatient for the boxes. So you always let the customer know all delays for Q/A and confirmations.

On 10/17/2020 9:26 AM, Gene wrote:
And repair places often update programs that shouldn't be updated because the new versions aren't accessible.  If a machine is taken into a repair place, perhaps an agreement, perhaps in writing, should be made that no changes, except those necessary to repair, including disinfect, a computer will be made without the approval of the owner.
I have no idea if repair places will accept such agreements but I pose the topic for discussion.
Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Leslie
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 10:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now
One time I took my computer to Geek Squad and they messed one of my computers up royally too.  My computer went through two other parties before it was fixed.  That computer spent its entire life with me and I got another computer and some left over voices were loaded onto a brand new computer.  I just removed them recently.  Repair places can really mess up computers when they don’t understand screen reader software.
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From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now
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Re: my friend's problem is solved for now

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Oh that was funny!

On 10/17/2020 10:25 AM, Gene wrote:
And that's not a computer virus so at least the computer doesn't have that. (grin)

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2020 11:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now

You're right. I guess my friend thought this guy would do a great job
fixing her computer. She and her husband don't live close to a place
like Best Buys. They have to drive clear out of town to a place like
that. She knows one other person who might be able to fix her computer
but he doesn't want to go to her house because of the Corona virus.



On 10/17/2020 9:15 AM, Chris Smart wrote:
I hate to say you sometimes get what you pay for...


That said, good help is hard to find.

I'm lucky in that I found a local independent computer repairer and recycler who have been in business for a long time. So far, they've been friendly, knowledgeable, and quite fair on pricing.


Chris


On 2020-10-17 12:10 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,


The techie that took my friend's computer to supposedly fix it did it out of his ownhome. He kept it for over a year and when my friend tried to call him to ask about the computer, he never returned her calls. I've heard of dishonesty but this takes the cake! Now she's having trouble with it again. She has to redownload NVDA so I think there's something wrong with the computer itself.


Rosemarie



On 10/17/2020 6:26 AM, Gene wrote:
And repair places often update programs that shouldn't be updated because the new versions aren't accessible.  If a machine is taken into a repair place, perhaps an agreement, perhaps in writing, should be made that no changes, except those necessary to repair, including disinfect, a computer will be made without the approval of the owner.

I have no idea if repair places will accept such agreements but I pose the topic for discussion.

Gene

-----Original Message----- From: Leslie
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 10:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now



One time I took my computer to Geek Squad and they messed one of my computers up royally too.  My computer went through two other parties before it was fixed.  That computer spent its entire life with me and I got another computer and some left over voices were loaded onto a brand new computer.  I just removed them recently. Repair places can really mess up computers when they don’t understand screen reader software.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now





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Re: my friend's problem is solved for now

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Thanks, Tim. I'll let her know that. Mine was already set up to show the overflow.

On 10/17/2020 10:40 AM, tim wrote:
For the over flow to show. After minimizing to desktop, tab to Navigation button and hit the space bar. That will make all in the list show there icons.
Without doing that you only get the short list of main devices.

On 10/16/2020 6:30 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I know that but there's supposed to be a notification overflow thing and that's what she couldn't find. We dideverything we could think of but to no avail.



On 10/16/2020 2:45 PM, Gene wrote:
Windows key b will move you to the system tray.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now

She wasn't able to find the system tray.



On 10/16/2020 1:32 PM, Gene wrote:
She can try the system tray.  If she can find the NVDA icon there, she can open the menu by pressing the context menu key when she is on the icon or using shift f10 command.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now

Hi, everyone,


I had my friend go into narrator to see if she had NVDA in her downloads
folder. She has NVDA 2019.2 but now she can't update it. For some
strange reason she's not able to go into the NVDA menu by hitting insert
N. I tried the caps lock and the other key but nothing worked. I think
the man who fixed her computer didn't configure it correctly.


Any suggestions as to how she can get into the NVDA menu?


Thanks again for your help.


Rosemarie
























Re: my friend's problem is solved for now

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

She'll have to use narrator but she doesn't know how to check for drive damage.



On 10/17/2020 10:40 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Can she check for hard drive damage? I'm thinking this might be the case based on what you are saying.

Take care

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On 17 Oct 2020, at 9:10, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Gene,

The techie that took my friend's computer to supposedly fix it did it out of his ownhome. He kept it for over a year and when my friend tried to call him to ask about the computer, he never returned her calls. I've heard of dishonesty but this takes the cake! Now she's having trouble with it again. She has to redownload NVDA so I think there's something wrong with the computer itself.

Rosemarie

On 10/17/2020 6:26 AM, Gene wrote:

And repair places often update programs that shouldn't be updated because the new versions aren't accessible.  If a machine is taken into a repair place, perhaps an agreement, perhaps in writing, should be made that no changes, except those necessary to repair, including disinfect, a computer will be made without the approval of the owner.

I have no idea if repair places will accept such agreements but I pose the topic for discussion.

Gene

-----Original Message----- From: Leslie
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 10:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now

One time I took my computer to Geek Squad and they messed one of my computers up royally too.  My computer went through two other parties before it was fixed.  That computer spent its entire life with me and I got another computer and some left over voices were loaded onto a brand new computer.  I just removed them recently. Repair places can really mess up computers when they don’t understand screen reader software.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now

I


Re: my friend's problem is solved for now

Sarah k Alawami
 

Can she check for hard drive damage? I'm thinking this might be the case based on what you are saying.

Take care

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 17 Oct 2020, at 9:10, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Gene,

The techie that took my friend's computer to supposedly fix it did it out of his ownhome. He kept it for over a year and when my friend tried to call him to ask about the computer, he never returned her calls. I've heard of dishonesty but this takes the cake! Now she's having trouble with it again. She has to redownload NVDA so I think there's something wrong with the computer itself.

Rosemarie

On 10/17/2020 6:26 AM, Gene wrote:

And repair places often update programs that shouldn't be updated because the new versions aren't accessible.  If a machine is taken into a repair place, perhaps an agreement, perhaps in writing, should be made that no changes, except those necessary to repair, including disinfect, a computer will be made without the approval of the owner.

I have no idea if repair places will accept such agreements but I pose the topic for discussion.

Gene

-----Original Message----- From: Leslie
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 10:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now

One time I took my computer to Geek Squad and they messed one of my computers up royally too.  My computer went through two other parties before it was fixed.  That computer spent its entire life with me and I got another computer and some left over voices were loaded onto a brand new computer.  I just removed them recently. Repair places can really mess up computers when they don’t understand screen reader software.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now

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Re: my friend's problem is solved for now

tim
 

For the over flow to show. After minimizing to desktop, tab to Navigation button and hit the space bar. That will make all in the list show there icons.
Without doing that you only get the short list of main devices.

On 10/16/2020 6:30 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I know that but there's supposed to be a notification overflow thing and that's what she couldn't find. We dideverything we could think of but to no avail.
On 10/16/2020 2:45 PM, Gene wrote:
Windows key b will move you to the system tray.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now

She wasn't able to find the system tray.



On 10/16/2020 1:32 PM, Gene wrote:
She can try the system tray.  If she can find the NVDA icon there, she can open the menu by pressing the context menu key when she is on the icon or using shift f10 command.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now

Hi, everyone,


I had my friend go into narrator to see if she had NVDA in her downloads
folder. She has NVDA 2019.2 but now she can't update it. For some
strange reason she's not able to go into the NVDA menu by hitting insert
N. I tried the caps lock and the other key but nothing worked. I think
the man who fixed her computer didn't configure it correctly.


Any suggestions as to how she can get into the NVDA menu?


Thanks again for your help.


Rosemarie



















Re: my friend's problem is solved for now

Gene
 

And that's not a computer virus so at least the computer doesn't have that. (grin)

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2020 11:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now

You're right. I guess my friend thought this guy would do a great job
fixing her computer. She and her husband don't live close to a place
like Best Buys. They have to drive clear out of town to a place like
that. She knows one other person who might be able to fix her computer
but he doesn't want to go to her house because of the Corona virus.



On 10/17/2020 9:15 AM, Chris Smart wrote:
I hate to say you sometimes get what you pay for...


That said, good help is hard to find.

I'm lucky in that I found a local independent computer repairer and recycler who have been in business for a long time. So far, they've been friendly, knowledgeable, and quite fair on pricing.


Chris


On 2020-10-17 12:10 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,


The techie that took my friend's computer to supposedly fix it did it out of his ownhome. He kept it for over a year and when my friend tried to call him to ask about the computer, he never returned her calls. I've heard of dishonesty but this takes the cake! Now she's having trouble with it again. She has to redownload NVDA so I think there's something wrong with the computer itself.


Rosemarie



On 10/17/2020 6:26 AM, Gene wrote:
And repair places often update programs that shouldn't be updated because the new versions aren't accessible. If a machine is taken into a repair place, perhaps an agreement, perhaps in writing, should be made that no changes, except those necessary to repair, including disinfect, a computer will be made without the approval of the owner.

I have no idea if repair places will accept such agreements but I pose the topic for discussion.

Gene

-----Original Message----- From: Leslie
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 10:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now



One time I took my computer to Geek Squad and they messed one of my computers up royally too. My computer went through two other parties before it was fixed. That computer spent its entire life with me and I got another computer and some left over voices were loaded onto a brand new computer. I just removed them recently. Repair places can really mess up computers when they don’t understand screen reader software.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now





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Re: Windows 10, NVDA, Narrator and Braille

Pele West
 

Hi Marten

Thanks for writing.

I am afraid I don't see the option to change the display driver.

I took the following action:

1. Windows N for Narrator Settings

2. Shift Tab 17 times. This took me beyond the braille settings.

3. Tab twice to "Use BRLTTy"

I don't see how to change this.

What am I missing?

Pele


Re: my friend's problem is solved for now

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

You're right. I guess my friend thought this guy would do a great job fixing her computer. She and her husband don't live close to a place like Best Buys. They have to drive clear out of town to a place like that. She knows one other person who might be able to fix her computer but he doesn't want to go to her house because of the Corona virus.

On 10/17/2020 9:15 AM, Chris Smart wrote:
I hate to say you sometimes get what you pay for...


That said, good help is hard to find.

I'm lucky in that I found a local independent computer repairer and recycler who have been in business for a long time. So far, they've been friendly, knowledgeable, and quite fair on pricing.


Chris


On 2020-10-17 12:10 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,


The techie that took my friend's computer to supposedly fix it did it out of his ownhome. He kept it for over a year and when my friend tried to call him to ask about the computer, he never returned her calls. I've heard of dishonesty but this takes the cake! Now she's having trouble with it again. She has to redownload NVDA so I think there's something wrong with the computer itself.


Rosemarie



On 10/17/2020 6:26 AM, Gene wrote:
And repair places often update programs that shouldn't be updated because the new versions aren't accessible.  If a machine is taken into a repair place, perhaps an agreement, perhaps in writing, should be made that no changes, except those necessary to repair, including disinfect, a computer will be made without the approval of the owner.

I have no idea if repair places will accept such agreements but I pose the topic for discussion.

Gene

-----Original Message----- From: Leslie
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 10:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now



One time I took my computer to Geek Squad and they messed one of my computers up royally too.  My computer went through two other parties before it was fixed.  That computer spent its entire life with me and I got another computer and some left over voices were loaded onto a brand new computer.  I just removed them recently. Repair places can really mess up computers when they don’t understand screen reader software.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now





I















Re: my friend's problem is solved for now

Chris Smart
 

I hate to say you sometimes get what you pay for...


That said, good help is hard to find.

I'm lucky in that I found a local independent computer repairer and recycler who have been in business for a long time. So far, they've been friendly, knowledgeable, and quite fair on pricing.


Chris

On 2020-10-17 12:10 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Gene,


The techie that took my friend's computer to supposedly fix it did it out of his ownhome. He kept it for over a year and when my friend tried to call him to ask about the computer, he never returned her calls. I've heard of dishonesty but this takes the cake! Now she's having trouble with it again. She has to redownload NVDA so I think there's something wrong with the computer itself.


Rosemarie



On 10/17/2020 6:26 AM, Gene wrote:
And repair places often update programs that shouldn't be updated because the new versions aren't accessible.  If a machine is taken into a repair place, perhaps an agreement, perhaps in writing, should be made that no changes, except those necessary to repair, including disinfect, a computer will be made without the approval of the owner.

I have no idea if repair places will accept such agreements but I pose the topic for discussion.

Gene

-----Original Message----- From: Leslie
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 10:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now



One time I took my computer to Geek Squad and they messed one of my computers up royally too.  My computer went through two other parties before it was fixed.  That computer spent its entire life with me and I got another computer and some left over voices were loaded onto a brand new computer.  I just removed them recently. Repair places can really mess up computers when they don’t understand screen reader software.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now





I












Re: my friend's problem is solved for now

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,


The techie that took my friend's computer to supposedly fix it did it out of his ownhome. He kept it for over a year and when my friend tried to call him to ask about the computer, he never returned her calls. I've heard of dishonesty but this takes the cake! Now she's having trouble with it again. She has to redownload NVDA so I think there's something wrong with the computer itself.


Rosemarie

On 10/17/2020 6:26 AM, Gene wrote:
And repair places often update programs that shouldn't be updated because the new versions aren't accessible.  If a machine is taken into a repair place, perhaps an agreement, perhaps in writing, should be made that no changes, except those necessary to repair, including disinfect, a computer will be made without the approval of the owner.

I have no idea if repair places will accept such agreements but I pose the topic for discussion.

Gene

-----Original Message----- From: Leslie
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 10:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now



One time I took my computer to Geek Squad and they messed one of my computers up royally too.  My computer went through two other parties before it was fixed.  That computer spent its entire life with me and I got another computer and some left over voices were loaded onto a brand new computer.  I just removed them recently. Repair places can really mess up computers when they don’t understand screen reader software.



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From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my friend's problem is solved for now





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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 20.10.2 released, a few notices about add-on development for the next few weeks #addonrelease

Luke Davis
 

On Sat, 17 Oct 2020, Hettie wrote:

Is Windows 10 App Essentials  a windows or nvda app?
Neither. It is an NVDA add-on. Press Insert+n, t, and go down to "manage add-ons" and press enter. That will allow you to install add-ons into NVDA. You can press Alt+G to open a web page where you can find add-ons. Move to Windows 10 App Essentials, press enter, move to the "stable version" link, and select that.

> Is it essential to use it with windows 10??

Windows 10 will be more accessible and much more pleasant to use if you do use the add-on. You can use NVDA in Windows 10 without it, but I can't think of a good reason not to use Win 10 App Essentials, and many good reasons why you should use it.

Does it automatically come with either windows 10 or nvda?
No. See above.

Luke

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