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Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Sarah k Alawami
 

That will not always work as for some lists like those I run I have the address hidden so you might see someone'@groups.io even though that is not their address. Hence forth, you cannot rely on that either 100 percent.

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On 2 Dec 2020, at 15:07, Gene wrote:

I forgot to add that when you are finished working with the source, close it with alt f4.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 5:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

If such features work, that's fine. I don't rely on them in part because I
wanted to know how to do this before such features were available.

For Thunderbird, if you are in an opened message, and you use the command
control u, you will see the source, which other programs call full headers.
With Thunderbird, you are using Browse Mode when looking at full headers.
Search the way you would use for a web page, using the NVDA browse mode
search command for from:
That's from and a colon immediately after it. Repeat the search once and
you will be on the from line.
Move to the beginning of the name, use shift end, then copy the address to
the clipboard.
Start a new message and paste it in. There are probably other ways to do
this in Thunderbird, perhaps with fewer steps but this is the method I use
on the rare occasions I want to reply to someone directly.

And, while Groups.io has a reply to sender link, as far as I know, other
list serves don't provide one.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 4:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Hi all,

Earlier, I posted a note where I explained that I wasn't able to
activate a link in an email sent to this group using NVDA. I tried all
the methods I'm aware of to no avail, and Brian has just confirmed that
he can't access these links using T-bird when NVDA is not loaded. So it
appears not to be an NVDA issue. I wonder if others who use T-bird are
having problems accessing links in emails, such as those that appear at
the end of messages sent to this group, where you may reply only to
sender, mute the topic or reply to the whole group. If you have had
issues activating such links, what was your fix? Or did you not find one?

Mary


Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Gene
 

I forgot to add that when you are finished working with the source, close it with alt f4.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 5:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

If such features work, that's fine. I don't rely on them in part because I
wanted to know how to do this before such features were available.

For Thunderbird, if you are in an opened message, and you use the command
control u, you will see the source, which other programs call full headers.
With Thunderbird, you are using Browse Mode when looking at full headers.
Search the way you would use for a web page, using the NVDA browse mode
search command for from:
That's from and a colon immediately after it. Repeat the search once and
you will be on the from line.
Move to the beginning of the name, use shift end, then copy the address to
the clipboard.
Start a new message and paste it in. There are probably other ways to do
this in Thunderbird, perhaps with fewer steps but this is the method I use
on the rare occasions I want to reply to someone directly.

And, while Groups.io has a reply to sender link, as far as I know, other
list serves don't provide one.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 4:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Hi all,


Earlier, I posted a note where I explained that I wasn't able to
activate a link in an email sent to this group using NVDA. I tried all
the methods I'm aware of to no avail, and Brian has just confirmed that
he can't access these links using T-bird when NVDA is not loaded. So it
appears not to be an NVDA issue. I wonder if others who use T-bird are
having problems accessing links in emails, such as those that appear at
the end of messages sent to this group, where you may reply only to
sender, mute the topic or reply to the whole group. If you have had
issues activating such links, what was your fix? Or did you not find one?


Mary


Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Gene
 

If such features work, that's fine. I don't rely on them in part because I wanted to know how to do this before such features were available.

For Thunderbird, if you are in an opened message, and you use the command control u, you will see the source, which other programs call full headers. With Thunderbird, you are using Browse Mode when looking at full headers. Search the way you would use for a web page, using the NVDA browse mode search command for from:
That's from and a colon immediately after it. Repeat the search once and you will be on the from line.
Move to the beginning of the name, use shift end, then copy the address to the clipboard.
Start a new message and paste it in. There are probably other ways to do this in Thunderbird, perhaps with fewer steps but this is the method I use on the rare occasions I want to reply to someone directly.

And, while Groups.io has a reply to sender link, as far as I know, other list serves don't provide one.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 4:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Hi all,


Earlier, I posted a note where I explained that I wasn't able to
activate a link in an email sent to this group using NVDA. I tried all
the methods I'm aware of to no avail, and Brian has just confirmed that
he can't access these links using T-bird when NVDA is not loaded. So it
appears not to be an NVDA issue. I wonder if others who use T-bird are
having problems accessing links in emails, such as those that appear at
the end of messages sent to this group, where you may reply only to
sender, mute the topic or reply to the whole group. If you have had
issues activating such links, what was your fix? Or did you not find one?


Mary


Re: keybase

Sarah k Alawami
 

I was as the time at the beginning of the year easy. I just clicked settings, set up the drive for the explorer window, and there you go. I never did chats, but when I visited pub.keybase.com, I think it was com, I could then get a link to what ever I wanted. I stopped using it after zoom bought it as I don't really trust that partnership.

--

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Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 2 Dec 2020, at 14:13, Governor staten wrote:

I find it difficult to work with Keybase with NVDA.




On 11/30/2020 7:42 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Has anyone used keybase with nvda.

Keybase is usable though it would be nice if I knew the status of checkboxes, buttons and the like.

Some actions need to be done online but never the less I have managed to get it working with explorer.

The issue is the client, on first open it works well.

However after that it will simply open into some hidden mode.

If I move about I can get something like show recent files and open inbox.

If I do open inbox, the program opens but nvda can not read it though ocr states it is loaded.

I assume there are more than 1 window and I need to refocus though even in mouse mode nvda can't find what to press.

I like the concept of keybase.

Are there shortcut keys as such for it?

The client could be better but oh well.

I will probably report issues I have had to keybase itself though another alternitive client would be good.








problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Mary Otten
 

Hi all,


Earlier, I posted a note where I explained that I wasn't able to activate a link in an email sent to this group using NVDA. I tried all the methods I'm aware of to no avail, and Brian has just confirmed that he can't access these links using T-bird when NVDA is not loaded. So it appears not to be an NVDA issue. I wonder if others who use T-bird are having problems accessing links in emails, such as those that appear at the end of messages sent to this group, where you may reply only to sender, mute the topic or reply to the whole group. If you have had issues activating such links, what was your fix? Or did you not find one?


Mary


Re: NVDA reading only one line with NVDA-down arrow

Ann Byrne
 

She is using the desktop layout. At first NVDA read easily. Now it doesn't.


Re: Welcoming you to my talk at NVDACon

Dan Thompson
 

How can I join the presentation and when is it being on?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 12:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Welcoming you to my talk at NVDACon

 

I wanted to let everyone know how excited I am to present again at NVDACon and to tell you a bit about my talk.

 

I've asked the organizers to give me a full 90 minutes so there will be plenty of time for questions. My talk last year got cut off due to the previous presenter being late and their need to stay on schedule.

 

I also want to welcome beginners. So many of the NVDACon talks are aimed at more advanced users with eclectic interests. My goal is to be inclusive and insure no matter your skill level with NVDA and Windows, you will gain some knowledge from my presentation.

 

I'll be speaking about using NVDA to learn foreign languages. I'll talk about getting different language voices for Windows, setting up your keyboard to type foreign characters, using add-ons to make language switching easier and marking up documents to insure they read in the appropriate language. Most language learning today  involves use of a computer, and if you are a screen reader user, the process can be quite frustrating if you haven't mastered these tricks!

 

I also wish to welcome users who already work with multiple languages to chime in with their additions and corrections! As an American, I'm immersed in a culture that isn't truly interested in being bi-lingual or tri-lingual. In my own small way, I'm trying to change this, but I don't have other blind users to call on for advice, so I'm depending on you folks in the international community to become part of my presentation.

 

I'll ask people to mute when I'm talking, but I'm going to be sure there's plenty of time for feedback so we can all learn from each other.

 

I've sent a handout and an expanded description of my talk to the organizers, so I'm hoping they post it soon.

 

--Debee

 


Re: keybase

 

I find it difficult to work with Keybase with NVDA.




On 11/30/2020 7:42 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Has anyone used keybase with nvda.

Keybase is usable though it would be nice if I knew the status of checkboxes, buttons and the like.

Some actions need to be done online but never the less I have managed to get it working with explorer.

The issue is the client, on first open it works well.

However after that it will simply open into some hidden mode.

If I move about I can get something like show recent files and open inbox.

If I do open inbox, the program opens but nvda can not read it though ocr states it is loaded.

I assume there are more than 1 window and I need to refocus though even in mouse mode nvda can't find what to press.

I like the concept of keybase.

Are there shortcut keys as such for it?

The client could be better but oh well.

I will probably report issues I have had to keybase itself though another alternitive client would be good.








Re: NVDA reading only one line with NVDA-down arrow

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Which program are you using?


is the person also using a lap top? or a desk top.


insert and down arrow key for desk top and nvda key + A for a lap top if I remember right. To check which layout keyboard you are using use the ctrl key + nvda key + the letter K it will be the first option that tells you what you are using.

On 3/12/2020 10:54 am, Ann Byrne wrote:
My student was editing a new document, which read nicely with insert-down arrow. She had written three or four lines.  When she added the fifth line, insert-down arrow would read only one line at a time. Insert-end did not read the status, so I went to the status line to try to make it read.  Is there something one accidentally changes in the status line that would cause NVDA not to read continuously with insert-down arrow? Something under view?

Rescue would be awesome.

Thx,





NVDA reading only one line with NVDA-down arrow

Ann Byrne
 

My student was editing a new document, which read nicely with insert-down arrow. She had written three or four lines. When she added the fifth line, insert-down arrow would read only one line at a time. Insert-end did not read the status, so I went to the status line to try to make it read. Is there something one accidentally changes in the status line that would cause NVDA not to read continuously with insert-down arrow? Something under view?

Rescue would be awesome.

Thx,


Re: HIMS Syncbraille Display and NVDA on Desktop PC

 

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 11:27 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
You will land on a option to choose the brailledisplay driver and press space to open this menu.
First, I do not have a Braille display connected, so this could be the difference, but the only control I see for Braille is the Download and install braille button.

If I SHIFT+TAB seventeen times I land on the checkbox for Sync the Narrator cursor and system focus, which is checked by default.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: accessing the links in groups.io messages with NVDA

 

Mary,

           What you're doing should work, provided that link is still actually a link.  If you would not mind forwarding a copy of this message to me, britechguy at that big email factory owned by Google dot com, after you receive it I can at least take a look at what it is that is landing in your inbox.

            By the way, what security suite are you using?  For example, Windows Security, Norton, McAfee, Panda Cloud, etc.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


accessing the links in groups.io messages with NVDA

Mary Otten
 

I saw a message in this group to which I wanted to reply, but only to the sender, not to the list. Ther is a link after the message body that is suppose to let you do that. But I can't make this link activate. I've tried the standard keyboard method of the return key when the link had focus. I've tried routing mouse to focus and then doing a simulated double left click with the numpad NVDA desktop layout. No luck. I've tried numpad insert plus numpad enter to "activate" the link. No luck. What am I missing?


Mary


Welcoming you to my talk at NVDACon

Deborah Armstrong <debee@...>
 

I wanted to let everyone know how excited I am to present again at NVDACon and to tell you a bit about my talk.
 
I've asked the organizers to give me a full 90 minutes so there will be plenty of time for questions. My talk last year got cut off due to the previous presenter being late and their need to stay on schedule.
 
I also want to welcome beginners. So many of the NVDACon talks are aimed at more advanced users with eclectic interests. My goal is to be inclusive and insure no matter your skill level with NVDA and Windows, you will gain some knowledge from my presentation.
 
I'll be speaking about using NVDA to learn foreign languages. I'll talk about getting different language voices for Windows, setting up your keyboard to type foreign characters, using add-ons to make language switching easier and marking up documents to insure they read in the appropriate language. Most language learning today  involves use of a computer, and if you are a screen reader user, the process can be quite frustrating if you haven't mastered these tricks!
 
I also wish to welcome users who already work with multiple languages to chime in with their additions and corrections! As an American, I'm immersed in a culture that isn't truly interested in being bi-lingual or tri-lingual. In my own small way, I'm trying to change this, but I don't have other blind users to call on for advice, so I'm depending on you folks in the international community to become part of my presentation.
 
I'll ask people to mute when I'm talking, but I'm going to be sure there's plenty of time for feedback so we can all learn from each other.
 
I've sent a handout and an expanded description of my talk to the organizers, so I'm hoping they post it soon.
 
--Debee
 


Re: HIMS Syncbraille Display and NVDA on Desktop PC

Marten Post Uiterweer
 

hi Pele

Because Narrator replaces the driver for his own driver.

Do the following:

Press ctrl-win-n for narrator settings. Not necessary to have Narator
running.
Press shift-tab a 17 times. You will land on a option to choose the
brailledisplay driver and press space to open this menu.
Choose the right driver with arrows and enter.


Regards, Marten

On Wed, 02 Dec 2020 00:42:02 -0800 (PST) "Pele West" <pele.westlists@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi

I think you have said it. I found, using the Braille Sense, that if I
used Narrator to read braille I could no longer use the Braille Sense
with NVDA.

I hope someone on here can tell you how to get out of this hole, because
I don't know the answer.

pele West





Re: two different problems with NVDA and reading email

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Bob

I can’t comment on the Outlook issues but regarding the Gmail basic HTML view, when you are browsing the list of messages, you are in a table, so use the table reading commands rather than just tabbing.  These are Control+alt+left/right/up/down arrows, so, for example you can move up and down the subject column to read them.  Personally, I hate the gmail interface and have linked my gmail account to the W10 mail app and find it much easier to manage.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: 02 December 2020 05:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] two different problems with NVDA and reading email

 

H

 


Re: I also have a problem with Nvda and emails.

Joshua Hendrickson
 

Yes, use basic view,which is html view and you should have no
problems. I've been using basic view for over 10 years and it works
quite well. Just use the letter x to go from message to message
quickly and you should have no problems.

On 12/2/20, Lauren Burger <laurenburger@msn.com> wrote:
Hello. I also have a problem with emails. When I am in my Gmail I am using
standard view and I notice that it dosn't read all the messages. When I go
down the list of messages, sometimes, it says "section" or "grouping" or it
doesn't say anything. I need suggestions as to what to do. Do I use HTML
view instead? Please let me know. Thank you. Lauren





--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson


I also have a problem with Nvda and emails.

Lauren Burger
 

Hello. I also have a problem with emails. When I am in my Gmail I am using standard view and I notice that it dosn't read all the messages. When I go down the list of messages, sometimes, it says "section" or "grouping" or it doesn't say anything. I need suggestions as to what to do. Do I use HTML view instead? Please let me know. Thank you. Lauren


In-Process and an NVDACon interview

Quentin Christensen
 

In this week's In-Process "NVDACon edition", we have all things NVDACon - what is NVDACon? The times, how to join, how it started, how to share your Thunder Clap Tweet news, plus an exclusive interview with one of the speakers, with an audio challenge!


Re: Will NVDA work smoothly in Windows 10 on ARM?

 

Hi,
Speaking for myself, I cannot give you a definitive answer as I don't have
an ARM machine with Windows 10 on it to test this scenario for you. Sorry.
Cheers,
Jsoeph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adam Samec
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Will NVDA work smoothly in Windows 10 on ARM?

Okay, thanks to both of you.

Please let me then return to the original question to which I haven't
received a clear answer yet. Will NVDA be stable when used with both the
32-bit and 64-bit apps in Windows 10 on ARM? Because Narrator, for instance,
supposedly have some problems with the 64-bit apps in the ARM version of
Windows 10.

Kind regards
Adam

30. 11. 2020 v 23:59, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:

Hi,
As for building NVDA for ARM, not likely, as we want to make sure many
people get to use NVDA with just one installer, so we have to go
through common denominator.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adam
Samec
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 2:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Will NVDA work smoothly in Windows 10 on ARM?

Yes, so far Windows on ARM is licensed only for certain OEMs, but this
can change in the future. So I was curious if there is somebody using
an ARM-based PC who could confirm if NVDA runs stable on it.

Also can you confirm whether there are plans to build NVDA for the ARM
processors?

Thanks.

Adam

30. 11. 2020 v 19:35, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:

Hi,
It might be possible to run NVDA on a Windows 10 on ARM running on M1
processor. Note that Microsoft didn't truly release Windows 10 on ARM
for MacBook Air yet.
As for the library I mentioned, it is a module that allows NVDA to
work better with certain apps, especially when using web browsers.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adam
Samec
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 9:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Will NVDA work smoothly in Windows 10 on ARM?

Hello Joseph,

thanks for the reply. Though I didn't get it entirely. You mean NVDA
comes with a library same as what? Could you elaborate on that more?

Let's say I have a fast ARM processor, like that which is included in
the new MacBook Air with the M1 chip. Do you think NVDA will be
stable on such an ARM-based environment?

Kind regards
Adam

30. 11. 2020 v 18:34, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:

Hi,
What I'm about to say is theoretical, but might be applicable in
practice:
I expect NVDA to be slow in Windows 10 on ARM. As you may know, in
order to run x86 (32-bit) code, Windows 10 on ARM comes with an
emulator. But because NVDA is a Python-based software, it must go
through multiple layers (Python interpreter on x86, which in turn
will run on top of x86 emulator) just to get it to run. Thankfully,
NVDA does come with the same library for communicating with certain
apps, so it might be a bit fast (still slower than running on a
64-bit AMD or Intel processor); for reference, the ARM version of
NVDA Helper library
is also compiled when compiling NVDA.
As for working with ARM apps, foundations are in place to fully
support them. The initial work was made in 2017, which was somewhat
enhanced in subsequent releases. In NVDA 2020.3, NVDA can tell you
what the target machine architecture for an app is, so using Python
Console, you can figure out if you're dealing with a 32-bit or
64-bit
x86 or ARM app. This will get a bit interesting (and slightly
complicated) soon when Windows 10 on ARM comes with an emulator for
64-bit
x86 code.
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adam
Samec
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 7:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Will NVDA work smoothly in Windows 10 on ARM?

Hello,

I am considering buying a notebook with an ARM-based processor, and
I am just wondering whether the x86 version of NVDA will work well
in the Windows
10 on ARM version of Windows. If not, are there plans for the
development of an ARM-based version of NVDA?

Thanks for your thoughts.

Best regards

Adam


























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