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Re: planning on writing a guide on browsing the web efficiently with NVDA

Gene
 

Further to what I said yesterday, you can  become so concerned with learning, using, and explaining every little thing about the many ways of web page navigation that you can micromemorize and micromanage web page navigation, which may obscure the big picture and makes web page navigation seem much more difficult than it is.
 
For example, you don't have to memorize web page after web page headings, such as that on x web site, heading level threes move you through these kinds of links, heading number twos moves you through these kinds of links, etc.  While you can explain what these numbers mean and how you might use them for the fastest possible navigation on a familiar page, if you think fractions of seconds count, I contend that simply moving by headings by typing h to move you through all headings will get you where you want to be quickly and without the drudgery of micromemorization.  What does it matter if I type h 2 times to get where I want, or the number 3 1 time. 
 
Your initial question about all the ways to navigate indicates that the variety of ways to navigate may evidently be obscuring your big picture understanding.
 
It is important to know many ways of navigating.  People should know commands for move by button, heading, skip links. move by check box, and move by separator, to give many examples which cover most of the important quick movement commands.
 
but teaching the quick commands should be done organically, when teaching how to use the structures.  When teaching how to work with radio buttons, or check boxes, the quick movement commands can be given. 
 
The point isn't that there are all these commands to move.  The point is how do you work with these structures, and how might you want to move quickly from one such structure to another. 
 
I will be happy to communicate with you more off list or on the chat list.  If you want to do so, let me know. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2020 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] planning on writing a guide on browsing the web efficiently with NVDA

Hi Kara

 

I think it is a fabulous idea.

 

I’ll definitely use such a manual.

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (South Africa)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Saturday, 29 February 2020 23:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] planning on writing a guide on browsing the web efficiently with NVDA

 

Hi.

I think it’s a great idea. I reckon loads of people will find it useful, myself included 😀

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kara Goldfinch
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] planning on writing a guide on browsing the web efficiently with NVDA

 

Hi everyone.

As the subject says, I am planning to write a guide on how to browse the web more efficiently with NVDA.

As you all know, NVDA has a ton of single navigation commands to navigate to different webpage elements, E.G. Landmarks, headings, block quotes, links, the newly introduced groupings and articles etc. However, there doesn't seem to be much info in laypersons terms about what these elements are, much less how you can use them to  get around the web quicker. There's loads of dev info on w3c, but nothing much for your average screen reader user navigating the web.

I would post it on the community wiki as frankly I'm only one woman and don't know everything.  So it'd be a community effort much like the JAWS to NVDA guide, which I did most of the initial work on.

What do you all think of such a project? Would you find it useful?

Also, if a similar thing already exists, I don't want to reinvent the wheel.

All the best,

Kara

 

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Re: Issue switching between browse & focus mode with NVDA+Spacebar

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

That's what it's supposed to do.



On 3/1/2020 9:49 PM, Danni wrote:
somehow I changed a setting so when I hit space bar and insert key at the same time it switches from brouse mode to focus and I can't figure out how to make it stop?
 


Re: how to escape the notepad plus plus character panel?

Adriano Barbieri
 

Hi,

Have you tried to act on the character panel menu item again?



Il 01/03/2020 20:50, Josh Kennedy ha scritto:

hi,

I sometimes use notepad plus plus to hand edit brl or brf braille files and other text files. I went into the edit menu and I wanted to enter some accented characters into a text file so I brought up the character panel, found the character I wanted and pressing enter puts that character into the file. But now when I run notepad++ the character panel keeps coming up and I can’t find a way to close it. So how do I close the character panel? I’m using the latest NVDA with CodeFactory eloquence and vocalizer addon.

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: conversation list on facebook messenger

Hareth
 

You need to be little more specific.
Which messenger app or web browser interface you using?
I use the web facebook messenger interface with chrome and the
"messenger beta app" for windows10,
Both chat list or conversation list accessible, Names ETC.
Tested and used with NVDA, Jaws2020, and narrator,
All working fine.
Note, I don't use firefox with FB messenger, so I can't tell about it.
TC

On 3/2/20, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io <rmkuzma=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Good evening,

Just starting to play with facebook messenger.

Looks pretty accessible but when I get to the conversation list all it read
is link and not who it is with.

Tried with nvda and jaws,

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks







Re: planning on writing a guide on browsing the web efficiently with NVDA

Christo Vorster <christo.vorster.klavierstem@...>
 

Hi Kara

 

I think it is a fabulous idea.

 

I’ll definitely use such a manual.

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (South Africa)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Saturday, 29 February 2020 23:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] planning on writing a guide on browsing the web efficiently with NVDA

 

Hi.

I think it’s a great idea. I reckon loads of people will find it useful, myself included 😀

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kara Goldfinch
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] planning on writing a guide on browsing the web efficiently with NVDA

 

Hi everyone.

As the subject says, I am planning to write a guide on how to browse the web more efficiently with NVDA.

As you all know, NVDA has a ton of single navigation commands to navigate to different webpage elements, E.G. Landmarks, headings, block quotes, links, the newly introduced groupings and articles etc. However, there doesn't seem to be much info in laypersons terms about what these elements are, much less how you can use them to  get around the web quicker. There's loads of dev info on w3c, but nothing much for your average screen reader user navigating the web.

I would post it on the community wiki as frankly I'm only one woman and don't know everything.  So it'd be a community effort much like the JAWS to NVDA guide, which I did most of the initial work on.

What do you all think of such a project? Would you find it useful?

Also, if a similar thing already exists, I don't want to reinvent the wheel.

All the best,

Kara

 

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Re: Issue switching between browse & focus mode with NVDA+Spacebar

Gene
 

Also, your subject line tells us absulutely nothing.  Uhhh is not even remotely a subject line.  A sample subject line for your mnessage might be something like, turning browse mode on.  If you use such completely uncommunicative subject lines, many people will just skip your message and you will not have as good a chance of getting help.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Danni
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2020 11:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] Uhhh

somehow I changed a setting so when I hit space bar and insert key at the same time it switches from brouse mode to focus and I can't figure out how to make it stop?
 


Re: Issue switching between browse & focus mode with NVDA+Spacebar

Gene
 

It is supposed to do that.  it is a toggle that switches between the two modes, that is, browse mode on and browse mode off.  You can't turn it off.  Maybe you can reassign the command to different keys, but you clearly didn't because the command is working. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Danni
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2020 11:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] Uhhh

somehow I changed a setting so when I hit space bar and insert key at the same time it switches from brouse mode to focus and I can't figure out how to make it stop?
 


Re: Issue switching between browse & focus mode with NVDA+Spacebar

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Danni,

As mentioned, that's the expected behaviour - it forces NVDA to change modes even when it doesn't want to automatically (on the web it also keeps NVDA in the new mode even if you do something that would otherwise change modes, eg moving onto an edit box - that can be useful for a form which jumps between controls and instructions and otherwise jumps between modes constantly.  

What are you trying to do (with NVDA+spacebar) otherwise?

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 4:54 PM Danni <luv2ride67@...> wrote:
somehow I changed a setting so when I hit space bar and insert key at the same time it switches from brouse mode to focus and I can't figure out how to make it stop?
 



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Re: re-appearance of an issue with Speech Viewer?

Quentin Christensen
 

I opened an issue for this.  No resolution yet, although I did investigate that it doesn't happen with braille viewer etc:  https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10791


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 6:10 AM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Looks like either a regression or something got corrupted in settings. I think someone wrote an issue on GitHub so developers might be aware of this issue.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Giles Turnbull
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] re-appearance of an issue with Speech Viewer?

 

Hi Joseph,
I'm using voice Microsoft Zira Desktop - English (United States) with the  Microsoft Speech API version 5 synthesiser.

I've just tried it with one of the other voices in SAPI5, Hazel, and the speech viewer window is also not closing with Alt+F4. Zera is my day-to-day voice and I'm sure Alt+F4 would close the Speech Viewer window before the update to NVDA 2019.3

Giles



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Re: Issue switching between browse & focus mode with NVDA+Spacebar

 

i don't think you changed anything. It is supposed to do this.






On 3/2/2020 12:49 AM, Danni wrote:
somehow I changed a setting so when I hit space bar and insert key at the same time it switches from brouse mode to focus and I can't figure out how to make it stop?
 


Issue switching between browse & focus mode with NVDA+Spacebar

Danni
 

somehow I changed a setting so when I hit space bar and insert key at the same time it switches from brouse mode to focus and I can't figure out how to make it stop?
 


Re: Number Pad

Quentin Christensen
 

Sorry didn't see this message when I replied just now as it wasn't a reply to the original one.

Numlock isn't part of NVDA's review modes - it's just a function of your keyboard to let your number pad keys serve two functions.

Re review modes, there is a short explanation in the User Guide: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#ReviewModes

Regards
Quentin.

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 6:41 AM Howard Traxler <htraxler7@...> wrote:
Sorry, simple solution:  So I restarted the computer and had the same
problem.  Pressed the numlock key; fixed it.  Still have to learn how to
use the various review modes.  Is there an easy-to-understand
explanation of them?

Howard

On 2/28/2020 1:08 PM, Howard Traxler via Groups.Io wrote:
> Hi all,
> Running NVDA (the version before current) on my HP desktop with
> keyboard set to laptop.  Until now, I've been able to use review
> functions with the number pad.  All of a sudden, it stopped working. 
> I restarted NVDA but no change.  Any ideas?
>
> Thanks.
> Howard
>
>
>






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Training and Support Manager



Re: Number Pad

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Howard,

We do have an issue to investigate this layout (users with keypads but not navigation keys would like to have the number pad object navigation / review cursor commands work only in desktop layout, or at least be selectable since there is a set of laptop layout keys for these functions as well).  In any case, we haven't changed anything yet.  Could you have numlock on?  (always worth checking the simple things).  Failing that, if you press NVDA+1 to turn input help on, what does it read when you press the number pad keys?  (Press NVDA+1 to turn input help off when done).

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 6:08 AM Howard Traxler <htraxler7@...> wrote:
Hi all,
Running NVDA (the version before current) on my HP desktop with keyboard
set to laptop.  Until now, I've been able to use review functions with
the number pad.  All of a sudden, it stopped working.  I restarted NVDA
but no change.  Any ideas?

Thanks.
Howard





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Training and Support Manager



Re: Numpad Issue With NVDA And Thunderbird

Gene
 

I wasn't sure what commands you were discussing before.  Now, I'll comment on them:
You shouldn't have turned off
insert +keyboard 6 carrot moves review cursor toggle on/off,
and insert + keyboard 7focus moves navigator object toggle on/off.  These are on by default and the point is to have the object navigator move as you move in a program such as a word processor or in lists or on the desktop or wherever you are moving.  If you want to move the object navigator to a certain place on the screen and stay there while you did things in programs or Windows so that when you return to the program where you left it, it would still be there and you could check the information on that part of the screen simply with a read current line of the object navigator command, numpad 8, or read current word of object navigator, numpad 5.  In general, though, you would want these settings on so the object navigator would follow where you move.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2020 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Numpad Issue With NVDA And Thunderbird

Hi Gene,

In one of the previous messages I sent, I postulated that I might have changed some settings that caused the issue in the first place. You can make quick changes to Let's see, I'll press each one of these as I write this:

insert + 2 speak typed characters toggle on/off
insert + keyboard 3 speak typed words toggle on/off
insert+ keyboard 4 toggle command keys on/off
insert + keyboard 5 report dynamic changes toggle on/off
insert +keyboard 6 carrot moves review cursor toggle on/off
insert + keyboard 7focus moves navigator object toggle on/off
insert + keyboard 8 automatically set system focus to focus able elements on/off

Three of these settings had been turned off.  I turned two of them back on and the problem went away.  The only one I don't have on is the speak command keys item.  That's a pain if it's on.



On 3/1/2020 8:19 PM, Gene wrote:
I can't tell what you are describing.  You can use either insert, the numpad insert or the other insert but you must use the keys on the numpad for hearing what we are discussing.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2020 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Numpad Issue With NVDA And Thunderbird

Hi Gene,

I am using a desktop PC.  I pressed the insert key and then keyboard
(not numpad) numbers on the top line of the keyboard numbers 2 through 8.


On 3/1/2020 7:49 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
> Hi
>
>
> Where abouts were those settings were they in a add on? or did you do
> it some where else?
>
>
> Gene nz
>
>
> On 2/03/2020 1:30 pm, Ron Canazzi wrote:
>> Hi Gene,
>>
>> I played around with some of the settings.  I am not quite sure what
>> I did.  Using insert + keyboard 2 through 8, I saw that some of these
>> items were turned off.  I turned the ones that were off back on and
>> now I get the proper feedback from NVDA.  I tried turning them off
>> one by one to see which of the settings was key and I couldn't
>> determine which ones; maybe all of them?
>>
>> Now when I press insert + numpad 1 and 7, when in an edit field, I
>> hear the third choice I spoke of--namely document review. This mode
>> allows me to see the words and characters with normal numpad key
>> functions.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/1/2020 5:52 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
>>> Hi Ron
>>>
>>>
>>> Try the following.
>>>
>>>
>>> On the numeric key pad press the nvda key +num pad 1 so you go to
>>> object navigation.
>>>
>>>
>>> Then go back to the subject line then use the review cursor now it
>>> reads. If left in the other mode nvda key + 7 it will not read the
>>> subject in the header etc if you get what I mean.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you also say locate a word with the review cursor in your email
>>> then press the num pad 5 key 2 times it will spell it letter by letter.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am guessing this is what has happened.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gene nz
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/03/2020 10:51 am, Ron Canazzi wrote:
>>>> Hi Group,
>>>>
>>>> I am not quite sure when this started--probably with the 2019.3
>>>> update, but now when I am in a Thunderbird message and I want to
>>>> try to highlight a word in an open message and check the spelling,
>>>> when I press insert + numpad 5, NVDA says: 'blank.' This also
>>>> occurs in the subject field and the other header fields.
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone else noticed this and is there a work around?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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Re: Transfering configuration profile settings from a portable copy to an installed copy?

Tyler Spivey
 

There's an install NVDA option in the tools menu. You can use that, or if you already have it installed, just copy the contents of portable directory\userconfig to %appdata%\nvda.


On 3/1/2020 8:58 PM, Akshaya Choudhary wrote:
 Helllo guys,
I have a portable copy of NVDA on my pen drive with all my desired settings and add-ons. Now, I wish to instal NVDA on my PC. Is there a way I can transfer all my desired settings and add-ons from the portable copy to this installed version?
I think that may include transfering configuration profile somehow.
All suggestions are welcome.

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Sociohack


Transfering configuration profile settings from a portable copy to an installed copy?

Akshaya Choudhary
 

 Helllo guys,
I have a portable copy of NVDA on my pen drive with all my desired settings and add-ons. Now, I wish to instal NVDA on my PC. Is there a way I can transfer all my desired settings and add-ons from the portable copy to this installed version?
I think that may include transfering configuration profile somehow.
All suggestions are welcome.

--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Numpad Issue With NVDA And Thunderbird

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Gene,

In one of the previous messages I sent, I postulated that I might have changed some settings that caused the issue in the first place. You can make quick changes to Let's see, I'll press each one of these as I write this:

insert + 2 speak typed characters toggle on/off
insert + keyboard 3 speak typed words toggle on/off
insert+ keyboard 4 toggle command keys on/off
insert + keyboard 5 report dynamic changes toggle on/off
insert +keyboard 6 carrot moves review cursor toggle on/off
insert + keyboard 7focus moves navigator object toggle on/off
insert + keyboard 8 automatically set system focus to focus able elements on/off

Three of these settings had been turned off.  I turned two of them back on and the problem went away.  The only one I don't have on is the speak command keys item.  That's a pain if it's on.



On 3/1/2020 8:19 PM, Gene wrote:
I can't tell what you are describing.  You can use either insert, the numpad insert or the other insert but you must use the keys on the numpad for hearing what we are discussing.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2020 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Numpad Issue With NVDA And Thunderbird

Hi Gene,

I am using a desktop PC.  I pressed the insert key and then keyboard
(not numpad) numbers on the top line of the keyboard numbers 2 through 8.


On 3/1/2020 7:49 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
> Hi
>
>
> Where abouts were those settings were they in a add on? or did you do
> it some where else?
>
>
> Gene nz
>
>
> On 2/03/2020 1:30 pm, Ron Canazzi wrote:
>> Hi Gene,
>>
>> I played around with some of the settings.  I am not quite sure what
>> I did.  Using insert + keyboard 2 through 8, I saw that some of these
>> items were turned off.  I turned the ones that were off back on and
>> now I get the proper feedback from NVDA.  I tried turning them off
>> one by one to see which of the settings was key and I couldn't
>> determine which ones; maybe all of them?
>>
>> Now when I press insert + numpad 1 and 7, when in an edit field, I
>> hear the third choice I spoke of--namely document review. This mode
>> allows me to see the words and characters with normal numpad key
>> functions.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/1/2020 5:52 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
>>> Hi Ron
>>>
>>>
>>> Try the following.
>>>
>>>
>>> On the numeric key pad press the nvda key +num pad 1 so you go to
>>> object navigation.
>>>
>>>
>>> Then go back to the subject line then use the review cursor now it
>>> reads. If left in the other mode nvda key + 7 it will not read the
>>> subject in the header etc if you get what I mean.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you also say locate a word with the review cursor in your email
>>> then press the num pad 5 key 2 times it will spell it letter by letter.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am guessing this is what has happened.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gene nz
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/03/2020 10:51 am, Ron Canazzi wrote:
>>>> Hi Group,
>>>>
>>>> I am not quite sure when this started--probably with the 2019.3
>>>> update, but now when I am in a Thunderbird message and I want to
>>>> try to highlight a word in an open message and check the spelling,
>>>> when I press insert + numpad 5, NVDA says: 'blank.' This also
>>>> occurs in the subject field and the other header fields.
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone else noticed this and is there a work around?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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Re: Changing speech rate not working

Tyler Spivey
 

No problem.

Assuming you're using OneCore or eSpeak, You need to turn on rate boost. Use ctrl+nvda+shift+left and right arrows until you find it, then use CTRL+nvda+shift+up and down to toggle it between on and off.

On 3/1/2020 8:12 PM, Anna Givens wrote:
That worked! Thank you.
I just started using NVDA, used to use JAWS. It doesn’t sound like NVDA speaks as fast as JAWS even at 100 percent. Or is that just my imagination?

Anna

On Mar 1, 2020, at 10:42 PM, Tyler Spivey <tspivey@...> wrote:

If you're using the laptop layout, try ctrl+insert+shift+up.


On 3/1/2020 6:21 PM, Anna Givens wrote:
I am doing Control + insert + up arrow to increase speech but it is not changing the speech rate.


Anna


Re: Changing speech rate not working

Anna Givens
 

That worked! Thank you.
I just started using NVDA, used to use JAWS. It doesn’t sound like NVDA speaks as fast as JAWS even at 100 percent. Or is that just my imagination?

Anna

On Mar 1, 2020, at 10:42 PM, Tyler Spivey <tspivey@...> wrote:

If you're using the laptop layout, try ctrl+insert+shift+up.


On 3/1/2020 6:21 PM, Anna Givens wrote:
I am doing Control + insert + up arrow to increase speech but it is not changing the speech rate.


Anna


conversation list on facebook messenger

Richard Kuzma
 

Good evening,

Just starting to play with facebook messenger.

Looks pretty accessible but when I get to the conversation list all it read is link and not who it is with.

Tried with nvda and jaws,

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks