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Re: I'm back

 

as always, i always appreciate you, your great support for me and
other people in the list.
i dont forget you in my praying, i always pray that God bless you and
divine infinite and especial mercy i pray for you!

On 9/29/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I was unexpectedly hospitalized and I didn’t have my computer. So I didn’t
have a way too notify you. I'm sorry for the concern and worry of members.
I'm back, though I’m somewhat tired and I may not be as active for now,
though I’ll monitor the list as closely as usual.

I have so much mail that I’m just going to start from here and not the
enormous amount of mail I’ve received while I was away. If anyone sent me
anything they specifically wanted me to respond to, please send it again.

I’m glad to be back.

Gene



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: Jaws is now doing better with thunderbird than nvda

David Griffith
 

If you want to add folder in Windows Mail then

  1. Press control Y to bring up the folder list.
  2. Cursor down until you land on the email account in which you want to add a folder.
  3. Now simply press space to create a new folder – you will be prompted to type in a name for the folder.

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Hope Williamson
Sent: 29 September 2019 17:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jaws is now doing better with thunderbird than nvda

 

Unfortunately the issue with the mail app is that there are no local

folders. I have lots of recipes and things that I like to save.

 

 

 

Re: Jaws is now doing better with thunderbird than nvda

kavein thran
 

great discussion here, does the problem persist in version prior to 60?

On 9/30/19, Angela Delicata <angeladelicata@...> wrote:
Totally agree on that! No lack at all, really! But, I understand some
may have the issue.


Angela from Italy



Il 29/09/2019 00:34, Robert Kingett ha scritto:

I never understood why people are getting this lag? I don't get it. If
you delete your trash regularly, change the settings so that
absolutely nothing is saved on the machine, and delete emails rather
than keeping junk mail, there is no lag what so ever with NVDA. I
don't get it, and I don't understand why so many are having this issue.



Re: Jaws is now doing better with thunderbird than nvda

Angela Delicata
 

Totally agree on that! No lack at all, really! But, I understand some may have the issue.


Angela from Italy



Il 29/09/2019 00:34, Robert Kingett ha scritto:

I never understood why people are getting this lag? I don't get it. If you delete your trash regularly, change the settings so that absolutely nothing is saved on the machine, and delete emails rather than keeping junk mail, there is no lag what so ever with NVDA. I don't get it, and I don't understand why so many are having this issue.

Re: Jaws is now doing better with thunderbird than nvda

Robert Logue
 

I too, have had lags with NVDA and Thunderbird 60.9.0

I followed the suggestions others posted here and performance is much better.


I have not tried Jaws when things lag.

Can't compare to Narrator as Narrator in Win1809 doesn't work properly with Thunderbird.


I still have some delay and sluggishness when Thunderbird starts as it retrieves and filters mail. But, responsiveness improves after a few minutes.



Bob


On 2019-09-28 5:08 p.m., Shaun Everiss wrote:

Well it depends what you are doing.

I do have my performance settings quite high, but yeah the system is lagging a lot between tasks, but I am on battery and working the system quite hard now.

Its holding charge quite well but since I don't go out as much I need to use my battery when doing work which is not audio related as I knew it chews battery a lot faster.




On 29/09/2019 11:34 am, Robert Kingett wrote:

I never understood why people are getting this lag? I don't get it. If you delete your trash regularly, change the settings so that absolutely nothing is saved on the machine, and delete emails rather than keeping junk mail, there is no lag what so ever with NVDA. I don't get it, and I don't understand why so many are having this issue.

Re: Jaws is now doing better with thunderbird than nvda

 

I personally intensely dislike the Win10 Mail App, but you can create folders to your heart's content using it.  Just get to the More control under the Folders section, activate it, and at the very top of the pane that opens is a control for "Add a new folder."

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 

Re: Jaws is now doing better with thunderbird than nvda

Hope Williamson <hopeisjoyful@...>
 

Unfortunately the issue with the mail app is that there are no local folders. I have lots of recipes and things that I like to save.

Re: I'm back

Dejan Ristic
 

Friend,


Welcome back! Do not worry, please. Relax!


Take care!

On 29/09/2019 02:11, Gene wrote:
I was unexpectedly hospitalized and I didn’t have my computer.  So I didn’t have a way too notify you.  I'm sorry for the concern and worry of members.  I'm back, though I’m somewhat tired and I may not be as active for now, though I’ll monitor the list as closely as usual.
 
I have so much mail that I’m just going to start from here and not the enormous amount of mail I’ve received while I was away.  If anyone sent me anything they specifically wanted me to respond to, please send it again.
 
I’m glad to be back.
 
Gene

Virus-free. www.avast.com

Re: Jaws is now doing better with thunderbird than nvda

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually, nvda does not say the message number. It will read it as if it was in a table which is anyoing. I. wish I could get that to stopbut oh well.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 29 Sep 2019, at 8:41, Hope Williamson wrote:

Let me clarify what I mean. I mean JAWS won't announce the message number, and NVDA will. I wish it would but it won't.

Re: Jaws is now doing better with thunderbird than nvda

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I used to use thunderbird but I stopped because it was extremely sluggish with both jaws and NVDA. Now I’m using the mail app and it’s working great with NVDA.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Tyler Wood
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jaws is now doing better with thunderbird than nvda

 

I stopped using Thunderbird because of excessive memory usage (there is no reason for an email client to use 800 plus MB of ram) and absolutely horrific responsiveness, at least with NVDA.

Outlook, for me, is working fantastic. Windows 10 mail was really nice until it started expanding all my threaded messages. So was thunderbird until going through folders /gmail labels resulted in a 5-10 second wait time with NVDA per folder. That is hardly productive.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: September 29, 2019 9:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jaws is now doing better with thunderbird than nvda

 

I've ben having issues since tBird 60, so last year, , same lag as everyone else, typng etc, Even the 64 bit version lags just a bit as well.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 29 Sep 2019, at 6:14, Gene wrote:

I see no reason for people to upgrade Thunderbird every time one is offerred.  It may be, as a list member implied, that the problem is worse with one or morenewer versions.  Has this problem been around since before Quantum Thunderbird or did it coincide with Quantum? 

 

Unless people want new features, which usually have nothing to do with e-mail, they might solve the problem by going back to older versions and seeing where the problem no longer exists or is minor.

 

Of course, there is always the possibility of vulnerabilities in older versions of Thunderbird but e-mail is a very old protocol and I doubt anything, or anything serious, exists, going back a good way.

 

Gene,

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 1:19 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Jaws is now doing better with thunderbird than nvda

 

Hi.

No issues here either and I've been using it for years.

Cheers,

Mo.

 

On 29/09/2019 02:35, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,

I don't get it either.

On 9/28/2019 6:34 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:

I never understood why people are getting this lag? I don't get it. If you delete your trash regularly, change the settings so that absolutely nothing is saved on the machine, and delete emails rather than keeping junk mail, there is no lag what so ever with NVDA. I don't get it, and I don't understand why so many are having this issue.

 

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

 

Re: Jaws is now doing better with thunderbird than nvda

Tyler Wood
 

I stopped using Thunderbird because of excessive memory usage (there is no reason for an email client to use 800 plus MB of ram) and absolutely horrific responsiveness, at least with NVDA.

Outlook, for me, is working fantastic. Windows 10 mail was really nice until it started expanding all my threaded messages. So was thunderbird until going through folders /gmail labels resulted in a 5-10 second wait time with NVDA per folder. That is hardly productive.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: September 29, 2019 9:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jaws is now doing better with thunderbird than nvda

 

I've ben having issues since tBird 60, so last year, , same lag as everyone else, typng etc, Even the 64 bit version lags just a bit as well.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 29 Sep 2019, at 6:14, Gene wrote:

I see no reason for people to upgrade Thunderbird every time one is offerred.  It may be, as a list member implied, that the problem is worse with one or morenewer versions.  Has this problem been around since before Quantum Thunderbird or did it coincide with Quantum? 

 

Unless people want new features, which usually have nothing to do with e-mail, they might solve the problem by going back to older versions and seeing where the problem no longer exists or is minor.

 

Of course, there is always the possibility of vulnerabilities in older versions of Thunderbird but e-mail is a very old protocol and I doubt anything, or anything serious, exists, going back a good way.

 

Gene,

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 1:19 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Jaws is now doing better with thunderbird than nvda

 

Hi.

No issues here either and I've been using it for years.

Cheers,

Mo.

 

On 29/09/2019 02:35, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,

I don't get it either.

On 9/28/2019 6:34 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:

I never understood why people are getting this lag? I don't get it. If you delete your trash regularly, change the settings so that absolutely nothing is saved on the machine, and delete emails rather than keeping junk mail, there is no lag what so ever with NVDA. I don't get it, and I don't understand why so many are having this issue.



-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Re: Jaws is now doing better with thunderbird than nvda

Hope Williamson <hopeisjoyful@...>
 

Let me clarify what I mean. I mean JAWS won't announce the message number, and NVDA will. I wish it would but it won't.

Re: Jaws is now doing better with thunderbird than nvda

Hope Williamson <hopeisjoyful@...>
 

The problem with JAWS and thunderbird is that it doesn't announce the message you're on like NVDA does. I wish it would but it just doesn't.

Re: Jaws is now doing better with thunderbird than nvda

 

how can someone set thunderbird that not download any email and not
save anythings on the computer locally?
i wish to use thunderbird, but as someone told, it downloaded
thousands of my historical emails to my computer and even update my
emails again anytime that i use thunderbird!
doing this, waiste both my hard disk space and my internet charge.
although i selected emap for my gmail in thunderbird, when i use arrow
keys to navigate between my emails and folders in thunderbird, it
seems thunderbird download them automaticly without my permission or
confirmation!
this link explain using gmail with thunderbird.
if i understood correctly, it claims that thunderbird download emails
automaticly.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/thunderbird-and-gmail

On 9/29/19, Robert Kingett <@blindjourno> wrote:
I never understood why people are getting this lag? I don't get it. If you
delete your trash regularly, change the settings so that absolutely nothing
is saved on the machine, and delete emails rather than keeping junk mail,
there is no lag what so ever with NVDA. I don't get it, and I don't
understand why so many are having this issue.



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: Jaws is now doing better with thunderbird than nvda

Gene
 

You can still use Windows Live mail and a lot of people do.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jaws is now doing better with thunderbird than nvda

Even though I am running the latest version of TB, I went looking for resources and links for others to try. Check the below links. First, you can always, you know, file bug reports? Maybe? On the actual git site? Maybe? Anyway, aside from OE Classic, homepage link, The below links boast some email alternatives.

  1. Alternate email clients by Mozilla.
  2. Another list of email clients. All open source.
  3. TB on Github. File bug reports.

Re: Jaws is now doing better with thunderbird than nvda

Don H
 

I have no issues using Thunderbird with NVDA and never have. It is responsive and easy to use. Using Thunderbird 60 on Win 10 1903 and NVDA 2019.2. I have four different Email addresses, three from my Internet provider and one from Gmail. Using Pop3.

Re: Jaws is now doing better with thunderbird than nvda

Sarah k Alawami
 

I've ben having issues since tBird 60, so last year, , same lag as everyone else, typng etc, Even the 64 bit version lags just a bit as well.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 29 Sep 2019, at 6:14, Gene wrote:

I see no reason for people to upgrade Thunderbird every time one is offerred.  It may be, as a list member implied, that the problem is worse with one or morenewer versions.  Has this problem been around since before Quantum Thunderbird or did it coincide with Quantum? 
 
Unless people want new features, which usually have nothing to do with e-mail, they might solve the problem by going back to older versions and seeing where the problem no longer exists or is minor.
 
Of course, there is always the possibility of vulnerabilities in older versions of Thunderbird but e-mail is a very old protocol and I doubt anything, or anything serious, exists, going back a good way.
 
Gene,
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jaws is now doing better with thunderbird than nvda

Hi.

No issues here either and I've been using it for years.

Cheers,

Mo.


On 29/09/2019 02:35, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

I don't get it either.


On 9/28/2019 6:34 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:

I never understood why people are getting this lag? I don't get it. If you delete your trash regularly, change the settings so that absolutely nothing is saved on the machine, and delete emails rather than keeping junk mail, there is no lag what so ever with NVDA. I don't get it, and I don't understand why so many are having this issue.


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Re: Jaws is now doing better with thunderbird than nvda

 

Even though I am running the latest version of TB, I went looking for resources and links for others to try. Check the below links. First, you can always, you know, file bug reports? Maybe? On the actual git site? Maybe? Anyway, aside from OE Classic, homepage link, The below links boast some email alternatives.

  1. Alternate email clients by Mozilla.
  2. Another list of email clients. All open source.
  3. TB on Github. File bug reports.

Accessing Chrome History

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

Hello.  I find I cannot see all my Chrome history using NVDA, and can barely do so using JAWS. Chrome keeps history for three months, but I can’t seem to scroll past the last couple days. If a search of history yields lots of results, I can’t see all of them. Is there a way to do this that I’m missing?

 

Dean

 

Re: Jaws is now doing better with thunderbird than nvda

Gene
 

I see no reason for people to upgrade Thunderbird every time one is offerred.  It may be, as a list member implied, that the problem is worse with one or morenewer versions.  Has this problem been around since before Quantum Thunderbird or did it coincide with Quantum? 
 
Unless people want new features, which usually have nothing to do with e-mail, they might solve the problem by going back to older versions and seeing where the problem no longer exists or is minor.
 
Of course, there is always the possibility of vulnerabilities in older versions of Thunderbird but e-mail is a very old protocol and I doubt anything, or anything serious, exists, going back a good way.
 
Gene,

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jaws is now doing better with thunderbird than nvda

Hi.

No issues here either and I've been using it for years.

Cheers,

Mo.


On 29/09/2019 02:35, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

I don't get it either.


On 9/28/2019 6:34 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:

I never understood why people are getting this lag? I don't get it. If you delete your trash regularly, change the settings so that absolutely nothing is saved on the machine, and delete emails rather than keeping junk mail, there is no lag what so ever with NVDA. I don't get it, and I don't understand why so many are having this issue.


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"