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Re: Skype

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi David,
That's useful to know.
To be fair, I never thought of exiting the menus straight away! That's much quicker than my current workaround. Typical of me to overcomplicate/overthink things. Thanks for that.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 18/08/2020 10:03 pm, David Csercsics wrote:
Yes, I think this is a Skype bug, because my friend who uses JAWS noticed the same issue. The only way for it to get focus is to press the alt key twice to enter and exit the menus, or do something else that works with the menus. This is obviously bad programming somewhere but I don't think it's NVDA's fault since it is broken with at least one other screen reader that uses a different model for interacting with Windows than NVDA does. I never thought to try with narrator, but I expect the same result as with NVDA. Maybe we'll have to look at it and see what's going on visually.


Re: Beginner's course in Python

David Goldfield
 

I would also be interested in learning Python as I'd love to be able to contribute to the NVDA project by composing addons. If any skilled Python users are interested in conducting a series of classes I'd gladly pay for training provided that your teaching skills match your programming skills.


On 8/18/2020 4:59 PM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I would like to learn Python. I am developed in a few other programming languages but I would like to start from scratch. I would also not like to teach myself but to participate in a group learning experience.

 

I wonder if anyone can advise me how best to proceed?

 

I would be happy with an online course, fee-paying or free, from any country as long as it is conducted in English and is fully accessible with NVDA.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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Re: Skype

David Csercsics <bleeblat@...>
 

Yes, I think this is a Skype bug, because my friend who uses JAWS noticed the same issue. The only way for it to get focus is to press the alt key twice to enter and exit the menus, or do something else that works with the menus. This is obviously bad programming somewhere but I don't think it's NVDA's fault since it is broken with at least one other screen reader that uses a different model for interacting with Windows than NVDA does. I never thought to try with narrator, but I expect the same result as with NVDA. Maybe we'll have to look at it and see what's going on visually.


Beginner's course in Python

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Hi everyone,

 

I would like to learn Python. I am developed in a few other programming languages but I would like to start from scratch. I would also not like to teach myself but to participate in a group learning experience.

 

I wonder if anyone can advise me how best to proceed?

 

I would be happy with an online course, fee-paying or free, from any country as long as it is conducted in English and is fully accessible with NVDA.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 


Virus-free. www.avast.com


Skype

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi,
Over the past few weeks, NVDA seems to have trouble focusing controls when reloading Skype from the system tray.
1. Open Skype. NVDA behaves normally.
2. Minimise Skype to system tray.
3. Reload, either by attempting to actually reload Skype, or by accessing the tray icon and hitting enter on the "Open Skype" option in the context menu.
Now, tabbing, arrowing, and attempting to switch on/off browse/focus mode all fail, unless I go into a menu and choose an option that loads another window (let's say the "about" dialog), then exit back to the main screen.
I'm not sure whether a Skype update has caused this, or whether this is a problem with NVDA 2020.2. It certainly never happened in 2020.1.
Has anyone else had this issue, or is it one of those strange occurrences again where it's just me?
Cheers.
Damien.


Re: lion universal subtitle reader and more NVDA addon

Moty Azrad
 

Dear all,

 

I’ve installed successfully this new addon.

Eilana, try again to install it.

 

Good luck

 

Moti

 

 

 

Moti Azrad 

Musician and Piano-Tuner         

 

motiaz@...

 

azrad_moty@...

 

Israel

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eilana Benish
Sent: 18 August, 2020 10:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] lion universal subtitle reader and more NVDA addon

 

I have tried to install the add on But I received a message saying that installation fail .

In addition It would be wise to give a page with more details about the add ONS and supported languages and keyboard shortcuts.

 

 

 

 

‫בתאריך יום ב׳, 17 באוג׳ 2020 ב-22:28 מאת ‪JM Casey‏ <‪jmcasey@...‏>:

That’s very interesting. Have you tried it with a braille display? That’s how I’d like to /do read subtitles.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: August 17, 2020 3:21 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] lion universal subtitle reader and more NVDA addon

 

Hi,

I found this great addon. Please consider adding it into the community addons page. It lets you read subtitles. It’s like intelligent realtime OCR for NVDA that uses the windows10 OCR engine. Try it out. Link is:

 

https://blindieconnect.net/files/lion-latest.nvda-addon

 

Josh Kennedy

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 



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Re: lion universal subtitle reader and more NVDA addon

Eilana Benish
 

I have tried to install the add on But I received a message saying that installation fail .

In addition It would be wise to give a page with more details about the add ONS and supported languages and keyboard shortcuts.

 




‫בתאריך יום ב׳, 17 באוג׳ 2020 ב-22:28 מאת ‪JM Casey‬‏ <‪jmcasey@...‬‏>:‬

That’s very interesting. Have you tried it with a braille display? That’s how I’d like to /do read subtitles.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: August 17, 2020 3:21 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] lion universal subtitle reader and more NVDA addon

 

Hi,

I found this great addon. Please consider adding it into the community addons page. It lets you read subtitles. It’s like intelligent realtime OCR for NVDA that uses the windows10 OCR engine. Try it out. Link is:

 

https://blindieconnect.net/files/lion-latest.nvda-addon

 

Josh Kennedy

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 



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New Microsoft IME editor for Japanese language

Marco Oros
 

Hello.

There are lot of changes in new version of Windows 10. It is version 2004 and due to this, I have a question.

How japanese speakers will now switch between Hiragana, Katakana and Romaji?

I know, that there are shortcuts, like alt+capslock ETC, but now It doesn't work.

Thank You.

Marco Oros


Re: I'm worried about the newest version of Opera.

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

I use both NVDA and Jaws and got the same result/problem and so I wrote to the developers submitting the problem as an accessibility bug.  Cheers!

On 18/8/2020 4:23 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
Then the next step is seeing if this holds across screen readers, in which case feedback should be submitted to the developers of Opera as promptly as possible, and if it doesn't hold across screen readers then to the developers of the screen reader that's silent.

Bugs get introduced, and they only get fixed if reported.

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Re: I'm worried about the newest version of Opera.

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

Hi.  I have done so.  I wrote to the developers, but no word yet.  Cheers!

On 18/8/2020 4:23 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
Then the next step is seeing if this holds across screen readers, in which case feedback should be submitted to the developers of Opera as promptly as possible, and if it doesn't hold across screen readers then to the developers of the screen reader that's silent.

Bugs get introduced, and they only get fixed if reported.

--

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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: I'm worried about the newest version of Opera.

 

Then the next step is seeing if this holds across screen readers, in which case feedback should be submitted to the developers of Opera as promptly as possible, and if it doesn't hold across screen readers then to the developers of the screen reader that's silent.

Bugs get introduced, and they only get fixed if reported.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


I'm worried about the newest version of Opera.

P. Otter
 

Hello all, I've discovered the problem that i can'nt read back what I've wrote is only in the newest version of Opera version 70
I've found it when I had installed an older version.
version 69
but after a while opera will be updated automaticaly to version 70.
after that it was no longer possible to read in the addresfield what I've wrote!

cheers
paul otter


Re: Any way to decrease NVDA sounds except the voice?

CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
 

Hello.

Yes, is the option for the sounds of focus and browse mode. But the beeps in the progress bar is a beep that NVDA play with a script, don’t is a sound file.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.
Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios con discapacidad visual con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.
Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

Musician (pianist) and also help to the blind people in the use of screen readers and technology.
Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA.

certification.nvaccess.org

 

De: Daniel Damacena
Enviado: lunes, 17 de agosto de 2020 10:50
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] Any way to decrease NVDA sounds except the voice?

 

You need to edit the sounds themselves.

 

Go to

 

c:\program files (x86)\nvda\waves

 

There you'll find the sounds.

 

I usually edit them with audacity.

 

After you replace the sounds with the new ones, you restart the screen

reader.

 

Em 17/08/2020 11:41, Cleverson Casarin Uliana escreveu:

> Hi, I'd like the progress beeps and the focus mode sounds to sound

> lower. The voice is already at 100%, so raising the voice volume and

> lowering the general system volume is not an option unfortunately. Any

> suggestion please?

> thanks,

> Cleverson

>

 

 

 


Re: Any way to decrease NVDA sounds except the voice?

Luke Davis
 

A very long outstanding issue for which no easy solution has ever been developed that I know of.

Luke

On Mon, 17 Aug 2020, Cleverson Casarin Uliana wrote:

Hi, I'd like the progress beeps and the focus mode sounds to sound lower. The voice is already at 100%, so raising the voice volume and lowering the general system volume is not an option unfortunately. Any suggestion please?


Re: Protonmail

Luke Davis
 

On Tue, 18 Aug 2020, Shaun Everiss wrote:

However if you want to be that picky then you should know that protonmail according to an article does have some us investments.
I'm not sure how that is relevant. What they own does not effect how they handle your data.
And given that they provide VPN services, it is not really surprising that they do.
And if you meant "US investors", then I don't think that matters either, unless their controlling interest is U.S. based, which it isn't.

Also, protonmail has full control of private keys generated when you make your account.
That is a distinction without difference.

It is true that they hold the keys, but the keys are encrypted locally using your password before they are ever sent to Proton. Provided you use a password of longer than about 12 characters, and at least with some non-dictionary words, current brute forcing technology (GPUs, and I believe FPGAs) can not crack it (thus decrypting your private key) before the heat death of the universe. That will change with quantum computing, but so will everything else in encryption.

They also have plans to let you generate and upload your own keys eventually.
https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/how-is-the-private-key-stored/

So if you want to be picky, your info could be compromised because you only have control of your public keys.
Wrong. See above. They never see your unencrypted private key.

At any rate with the bridge for payed users not usable, I will stay with gmail thank you.
It is usable. You just have to work at it a bit.
Furthermore, if you are content to use their website for mail, you don't need the bridge. If you are using gmail.com for email, there is no difference in effect--it's webmail, one way or the other.

Pluss, I will be shortly be doing a podcast on the gnupg wich is a pgp varient which is all protonmail is.
True enough. The thing which makes Protonmail and Fastmail (though I don't recommend them because they are U.S. based and subject to record pilfering by agencies who like to do that) viable, is that PHP (gnupg, etc.) is hard to use, and all parties have to be technically proficient enough to use it.
I have met many highly skilled technical individuals who find dealing with PGP to be a major pain in the back side (I'm one of them), and for whom ProtonMail's simplicity and efficiency is a godsend.

Additionally, with the proliferation of mobile platforms, PGP has gotten even harder to integrate into a comprehensive mail solution. Again, Proton simplifies all that.

Disclaimer: this message was not sponsored by ProtonMail.

Luke


Re: lion universal subtitle reader and more NVDA addon

JM Casey
 

That’s very interesting. Have you tried it with a braille display? That’s how I’d like to /do read subtitles.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: August 17, 2020 3:21 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] lion universal subtitle reader and more NVDA addon

 

Hi,

I found this great addon. Please consider adding it into the community addons page. It lets you read subtitles. It’s like intelligent realtime OCR for NVDA that uses the windows10 OCR engine. Try it out. Link is:

 

https://blindieconnect.net/files/lion-latest.nvda-addon

 

Josh Kennedy

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Interacting with mouse over links using NVDA?

CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
 

Hello.

Yes, the interaction with NVDA is depending of the web page. In some cases is a normal element but no is possible enable temp with the Keyboard, in other cases the controls don’t are standard and the NVDA commands for move the mouse to the same place of the navigator object and after the command for use the mouse click (or the physicals buttons primary or secondary in the mouse) can work with NVDA and NVDA can read the options from a menu, for example, but in this point some websites are different.

In this case, we can use NVDA Remote for test the accessibility of the website after of the login.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.
Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios con discapacidad visual con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.
Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

Musician (pianist) and also help to the blind people in the use of screen readers and technology.
Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA.

 

De: benmoxey@...
Enviado: lunes, 17 de agosto de 2020 13:48
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] Interacting with mouse over links using NVDA?

 

Hi Sarah

 

It’s worth a try on websites where you encounter these situations. Results will vary, but it might get you out of trouble. Of course, I always recommend providing respectful feedback regarding accessibility issues to the developer to try and get them resolved.

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Tuesday, 18 August 2020 3:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Interacting with mouse over links using NVDA?

 

Will this work wherein I have to hover over buttons and stuff to get actions to show up? I can hardly get this to work at all at mee6.xyz. By the way you must be logged in in order to see what I'm talking about but you can delete actions , messages etc by hovering over items. A menu will then show up.

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On 16 Aug 2020, at 13:58, benmoxey@... wrote:

Hey Akash

1. Move your focus to the position of the element that has the mouse over actions.
2. Move the mouse pointer to that position with NVDA + / on the number pad (desktop mode) or NVDA + Shift + M (laptop mode).

This should display mouse over actions. Note that I am assuming that the navigator object is set to follow focus changes, which is the default behaviour. You can clarify this if necessary in the Review Cursor settings or toggle this behaviour on or off with NVDA + 7.

All the best.

Ben

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Akash Kakkar
Sent: Monday, 17 August 2020 3:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Interacting with mouse over links using NVDA?

Hey guys,
so subject line says all this.
How do we interact with mouse over links/controls using NVDA?
In JAWS, we use to press "insert+control+enter" which doesn't work in case of NVDA.
any help/pointers please?



 


lion universal subtitle reader and more NVDA addon

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi,

I found this great addon. Please consider adding it into the community addons page. It lets you read subtitles. It’s like intelligent realtime OCR for NVDA that uses the windows10 OCR engine. Try it out. Link is:

 

https://blindieconnect.net/files/lion-latest.nvda-addon

 

Josh Kennedy

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Protonmail

Gene
 

I can't worry about that. Web site after web site collects information. When you use a loyalty card at a store, the company gets information. When you use a credit card, the company gets information. I won't pay for e-mail just because some advertising may be pitched to me.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 12:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Protonmail



Straying a bit but just to point out the following. If I'm a company looking for ways to sell my product, I can in theory mine the data from your list emails and know what you like, what you don't like, and suggest products to you that you didn't even know you wanted. This is called data mining, and every single big company does this. Ok, hopping off of my soap box now.

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Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 16 Aug 2020, at 13:14, Gene wrote:




Unless someone is sending personal or confidential information, they may not care. I don't think any possible sbnooper is going to be interested in reading my mail, which mostly is e-mail list mail.





Gene


On 8/16/2020 2:57 PM, Jesse Farquharson wrote:


THat's where you're wrong, though. Google is absolutely not secure. They claim they are, but until they use end to end encryption on e-mails and Google searches and other such things, it's all a lie.

Luke, if you're reading this, regarding your point about getting the mailbox configuration thing to show up, yes, you do have to select expand row for that to work. I am trying the process on my new machine and so far your steps are working for me.


Re: Interacting with mouse over links using NVDA?

benmoxey@...
 

Hi Sarah

 

It’s worth a try on websites where you encounter these situations. Results will vary, but it might get you out of trouble. Of course, I always recommend providing respectful feedback regarding accessibility issues to the developer to try and get them resolved.

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Tuesday, 18 August 2020 3:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Interacting with mouse over links using NVDA?

 

Will this work wherein I have to hover over buttons and stuff to get actions to show up? I can hardly get this to work at all at mee6.xyz. By the way you must be logged in in order to see what I'm talking about but you can delete actions , messages etc by hovering over items. A menu will then show up.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 16 Aug 2020, at 13:58, benmoxey@... wrote:

Hey Akash

1. Move your focus to the position of the element that has the mouse over actions.
2. Move the mouse pointer to that position with NVDA + / on the number pad (desktop mode) or NVDA + Shift + M (laptop mode).

This should display mouse over actions. Note that I am assuming that the navigator object is set to follow focus changes, which is the default behaviour. You can clarify this if necessary in the Review Cursor settings or toggle this behaviour on or off with NVDA + 7.

All the best.

Ben

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Akash Kakkar
Sent: Monday, 17 August 2020 3:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Interacting with mouse over links using NVDA?

Hey guys,
so subject line says all this.
How do we interact with mouse over links/controls using NVDA?
In JAWS, we use to press "insert+control+enter" which doesn't work in case of NVDA.
any help/pointers please?




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