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Re: Protonmail

Gene
 

Unless someone is sending personal or confidential information, they may not care.  I don't think any possible sbnooper is going to be interested in reading my mail, which mostly is e-mail list mail. 


Gene

On 8/16/2020 2:57 PM, Jesse Farquharson wrote:

THat's where you're wrong, though. Google is absolutely not secure. They claim they are, but until they use end to end encryption on e-mails and Google searches and other such things, it's all a lie.

Luke, if you're reading this, regarding your point about getting the mailbox configuration thing to show up, yes, you do have to select expand row for that to work. I am trying the process on my new machine and so far your steps are working for me.


Re: Protonmail

Jesse Farquharson
 

THat's where you're wrong, though. Google is absolutely not secure. They claim they are, but until they use end to end encryption on e-mails and Google searches and other such things, it's all a lie.

Luke, if you're reading this, regarding your point about getting the mailbox configuration thing to show up, yes, you do have to select expand row for that to work. I am trying the process on my new machine and so far your steps are working for me.


Re: Issue with Opera and Web Address Box: can someone help me please?

 

Topic retitled to give specific information regarding the browser where the issue is occurring.  Please reply to the topic that has Opera in the title so that I don't have to keep re-merging topics.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Interacting with mouse over links using NVDA?

Akash Kakkar
 

Hey guys,
so subject line says all this.
How do we interact with mouse over links/controls using NVDA?
In JAWS, we use to press "insert+control+enter" which doesn't work in
case of NVDA.
any help/pointers please?


Re: Drag and drop with NVDA and Thunderbird

Guy Schlosser
 

Ron, thank you so much for the link to that ad-on. that was so much easier! You guys have an awesome day, I am off to go watch some Indy, and NASCAR stuff with my wife. 

On Aug 16, 2020, at 12:09 PM, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:

 Hi Guy,

Rather than try to use object navigation in a rather convoluted process, download and install the Mozilla Apps Enhancement add on from the NVDA add ons page.  The latest version will work with all versions of Thunderbird including version 78.

Here is the direct link to this add on page.
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/mozillaScripts.en.html


On 8/16/2020 11:01 AM, Guy Schlosser wrote:



Begin forwarded message:

From: Guy Schlosser <guyster@...>
Date: August 16, 2020 at 10:33:03 AM EDT
To: nvda@...
Subject: Drag and drop with NVDA and Thunderbird
Hi all. I am trying to re-order my columns in Mozilla Thunderbird, and having some trouble. I listen to the tutorial that I found on groups.io, and I was unable to get my NVDA cursor to go up to the header where the columns are listed. Is there something different that I have to do? When I have NVDA in object navigation mode I use the NVDA key plus number four and I cannot seem to get the NVDA cursor  the top of the message list. Any help would be welcome. Is this an update thing? I think I am running NVDA 2020.1 on this particular flash drive.
Thanks,
Guy

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Issue with Opera and Web Address Box: can someone help me please?

P. Otter
 

Hello everyone,
In the past I was when I opened the address field and a url typed read everything back that I had typed.
Now that's no longer, it seems the line is empty when I had typed something.
I have the latest version of Opera.
This is a known issue or is it just me?
there are others who suffer it?
This is only opera!
my other browsers do not have that problem.
best regards
paul otter


Re: VLC addon for the latest version

René Linke <rene.linke@...>
 

Hi,

I have installed VLC add-on 2.10, it works well with VLC Media Player version 3.0.11 and NVDA latest alpha version.

René


Re: Drag and drop with NVDA and Thunderbird

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Guy,

Rather than try to use object navigation in a rather convoluted process, download and install the Mozilla Apps Enhancement add on from the NVDA add ons page.  The latest version will work with all versions of Thunderbird including version 78.

Here is the direct link to this add on page.
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/mozillaScripts.en.html


On 8/16/2020 11:01 AM, Guy Schlosser wrote:



Begin forwarded message:

From: Guy Schlosser <guyster@...>
Date: August 16, 2020 at 10:33:03 AM EDT
To: nvda@...
Subject: Drag and drop with NVDA and Thunderbird
Hi all. I am trying to re-order my columns in Mozilla Thunderbird, and having some trouble. I listen to the tutorial that I found on groups.io, and I was unable to get my NVDA cursor to go up to the header where the columns are listed. Is there something different that I have to do? When I have NVDA in object navigation mode I use the NVDA key plus number four and I cannot seem to get the NVDA cursor  the top of the message list. Any help would be welcome. Is this an update thing? I think I am running NVDA 2020.1 on this particular flash drive.
Thanks,
Guy

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Drag and drop with NVDA and Thunderbird

Gene
 

Here is another link with other instructions.  I don't know which may or may not work properly or be better or easier to work with.

https://groups.io/g/thunderbird/message/28


Gene

On 8/16/2020 10:32 AM, Guy Schlosser wrote:
Hey there Gene:

What I’m trying to do is re-order the columns in Mozilla Thunderbird. For example, I am trying to move the status column clear to the left, followed by from, subject, etc. I did see a Mussula add-on, but it didn’t look like it worked with this version of Thunderbird. As a matter of fact, it didn’t even show up in my add-ons list when I did a search.

On Aug 16, 2020, at 11:12 AM, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm not sure just what you are trying to do. I've seldom looked at that part of the Thunderbird interface. Nvda key 4 doesn't move you to the top of anything. It moves you to the left by object. NVEDA key 6b moves you to the right by object. NVDA key 2 8 moves you up by object, NVDA key 2 moves you down.
To move within an object, if you can, you use just the numpad keys themselves.

There is, however an add-on, I don't know if it is an NVDA or a Mozilla add-on, but I think its an NVDA add-on, that removes all this nonsense, otherwise reqquired. It allows you to reorder columns easily. I say nonsense because if Mozilla would make this operation accessible, none of this would be necessary. This problem has existed for years. But where are they in making this operation accessible?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Guy Schlosser
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Drag and drop with NVDA and Thunderbird





Begin forwarded message:


From: Guy Schlosser <guyster@bex.net>
Date: August 16, 2020 at 10:33:03 AM EDT
To: nvda@freelists.org
Subject: Drag and drop with NVDA and Thunderbird

Hi all. I am trying to re-order my columns in Mozilla Thunderbird, and having some trouble. I listen to the tutorial that I found on groups.io, and I was unable to get my NVDA cursor to go up to the header where the columns are listed. Is there something different that I have to do? When I have NVDA in object navigation mode I use the NVDA key plus number four and I cannot seem to get the NVDA cursor the top of the message list. Any help would be welcome. Is this an update thing? I think I am running NVDA 2020.1 on this particular flash drive.
Thanks,
Guy





Re: Drag and drop with NVDA and Thunderbird

Gene
 

I'm playing with Thunderbird now to see if I can figure it out. I found instructions with a search and I don't know if they match what you found in the tutorial.  Here is the link:

https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/colum_headers_in_thunderbird/3281531?p=


Also, a link is given in the message to an audio tutorial. Perhaps that is the one you are using.


It may be that the add-on won't work in your version of Thunderbird.  Others can comment on whether an updated version is available if you are using a version too new for the old version of the add-on to be compatible with.


Gene

On 8/16/2020 10:32 AM, Guy Schlosser wrote:

Hey there Gene:

What I’m trying to do is re-order the columns in Mozilla Thunderbird. For example, I am trying to move the status column clear to the left, followed by from, subject, etc. I did see a Mussula add-on, but it didn’t look like it worked with this version of Thunderbird. As a matter of fact, it didn’t even show up in my add-ons list when I did a search.

On Aug 16, 2020, at 11:12 AM, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm not sure just what you are trying to do. I've seldom looked at that part of the Thunderbird interface. Nvda key 4 doesn't move you to the top of anything. It moves you to the left by object. NVEDA key 6b moves you to the right by object. NVDA key 2 8 moves you up by object, NVDA key 2 moves you down.
To move within an object, if you can, you use just the numpad keys themselves.

There is, however an add-on, I don't know if it is an NVDA or a Mozilla add-on, but I think its an NVDA add-on, that removes all this nonsense, otherwise reqquired. It allows you to reorder columns easily. I say nonsense because if Mozilla would make this operation accessible, none of this would be necessary. This problem has existed for years. But where are they in making this operation accessible?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Guy Schlosser
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Drag and drop with NVDA and Thunderbird





Begin forwarded message:


From: Guy Schlosser <guyster@bex.net>
Date: August 16, 2020 at 10:33:03 AM EDT
To: nvda@freelists.org
Subject: Drag and drop with NVDA and Thunderbird

Hi all. I am trying to re-order my columns in Mozilla Thunderbird, and having some trouble. I listen to the tutorial that I found on groups.io, and I was unable to get my NVDA cursor to go up to the header where the columns are listed. Is there something different that I have to do? When I have NVDA in object navigation mode I use the NVDA key plus number four and I cannot seem to get the NVDA cursor the top of the message list. Any help would be welcome. Is this an update thing? I think I am running NVDA 2020.1 on this particular flash drive.
Thanks,
Guy





Re: Drag and drop with NVDA and Thunderbird

Guy Schlosser
 

Hey there Gene:

What I’m trying to do is re-order the columns in Mozilla Thunderbird. For example, I am trying to move the status column clear to the left, followed by from, subject, etc. I did see a Mussula add-on, but it didn’t look like it worked with this version of Thunderbird. As a matter of fact, it didn’t even show up in my add-ons list when I did a search.

On Aug 16, 2020, at 11:12 AM, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm not sure just what you are trying to do. I've seldom looked at that part of the Thunderbird interface. Nvda key 4 doesn't move you to the top of anything. It moves you to the left by object. NVEDA key 6b moves you to the right by object. NVDA key 2 8 moves you up by object, NVDA key 2 moves you down.
To move within an object, if you can, you use just the numpad keys themselves.

There is, however an add-on, I don't know if it is an NVDA or a Mozilla add-on, but I think its an NVDA add-on, that removes all this nonsense, otherwise reqquired. It allows you to reorder columns easily. I say nonsense because if Mozilla would make this operation accessible, none of this would be necessary. This problem has existed for years. But where are they in making this operation accessible?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Guy Schlosser
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Drag and drop with NVDA and Thunderbird





Begin forwarded message:


From: Guy Schlosser <guyster@bex.net>
Date: August 16, 2020 at 10:33:03 AM EDT
To: nvda@freelists.org
Subject: Drag and drop with NVDA and Thunderbird

Hi all. I am trying to re-order my columns in Mozilla Thunderbird, and having some trouble. I listen to the tutorial that I found on groups.io, and I was unable to get my NVDA cursor to go up to the header where the columns are listed. Is there something different that I have to do? When I have NVDA in object navigation mode I use the NVDA key plus number four and I cannot seem to get the NVDA cursor the top of the message list. Any help would be welcome. Is this an update thing? I think I am running NVDA 2020.1 on this particular flash drive.
Thanks,
Guy





Re: Drag and drop with NVDA and Thunderbird

Gene
 

I'm not sure just what you are trying to do. I've seldom looked at that part of the Thunderbird interface. Nvda key 4 doesn't move you to the top of anything. It moves you to the left by object. NVEDA key 6b moves you to the right by object. NVDA key 2 8 moves you up by object, NVDA key 2 moves you down.
To move within an object, if you can, you use just the numpad keys themselves.

There is, however an add-on, I don't know if it is an NVDA or a Mozilla add-on, but I think its an NVDA add-on, that removes all this nonsense, otherwise reqquired. It allows you to reorder columns easily. I say nonsense because if Mozilla would make this operation accessible, none of this would be necessary. This problem has existed for years. But where are they in making this operation accessible?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Guy Schlosser
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Drag and drop with NVDA and Thunderbird





Begin forwarded message:


From: Guy Schlosser <guyster@bex.net>
Date: August 16, 2020 at 10:33:03 AM EDT
To: nvda@freelists.org
Subject: Drag and drop with NVDA and Thunderbird

Hi all. I am trying to re-order my columns in Mozilla Thunderbird, and having some trouble. I listen to the tutorial that I found on groups.io, and I was unable to get my NVDA cursor to go up to the header where the columns are listed. Is there something different that I have to do? When I have NVDA in object navigation mode I use the NVDA key plus number four and I cannot seem to get the NVDA cursor the top of the message list. Any help would be welcome. Is this an update thing? I think I am running NVDA 2020.1 on this particular flash drive.
Thanks,
Guy


Drag and drop with NVDA and Thunderbird

Guy Schlosser
 




Begin forwarded message:

From: Guy Schlosser <guyster@...>
Date: August 16, 2020 at 10:33:03 AM EDT
To: nvda@...
Subject: Drag and drop with NVDA and Thunderbird
Hi all. I am trying to re-order my columns in Mozilla Thunderbird, and having some trouble. I listen to the tutorial that I found on groups.io, and I was unable to get my NVDA cursor to go up to the header where the columns are listed. Is there something different that I have to do? When I have NVDA in object navigation mode I use the NVDA key plus number four and I cannot seem to get the NVDA cursor  the top of the message list. Any help would be welcome. Is this an update thing? I think I am running NVDA 2020.1 on this particular flash drive.
Thanks,
Guy


Re: narator's driver, problems with screen readers and braille.

Moty Azrad
 

Dear all,

 

Afik, I have here the same problem.

It happens on my three laptops.

I’m sure that Microsoft will repair it.

 

Moti

 

 

 

Moti Azrad 

Musician and Piano-Tuner         

 

motiaz@...

 

azrad_moty@...

 

Israel

 

 

 

 

From: jfw-users@groups.io <jfw-users@groups.io> On Behalf Of Afik Souffir
Sent: 15 August, 2020 22:12
To: braille-display-users@groups.io; jfw-users@groups.io; program-l@...; nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [jfw-users] narator's driver, problems with screen readers and braille.

 

 

Hi, evening from Israel.

 

This email has been written after a long call with Microsoft disability answer desk about the narator's Braille driver and the problems with other screen readers its can cause.

 

First of all, there is no selution. He suggest me to do a repair for my machine, no matter that I've explained to him 20 times that's is not my problem, its global problem around the world that’s effect many blind people who use Braille.

I even showed him this in Jaws and NVDA, and also that the change braille display driver is not always there, but it’s the same screen as always.

Even removing the driver its not an option, its said "accessibility braille support uninstallation failed most of the time. And if its removes nothing happened with the braille.

 

 

After 30 minutes of explomations and "hmmmmm" from him, which just get me more angry, he said "ok, submit a feedback to us.

But he doesn't know the email address of the department.

 

What do you think? How can we solve this really frasreting

 

 

Afik.


VLC addon for the latest version

brandon
 

Hi all,

Does anyone happen to know if there is an add on for VLC that works with the latest vda?

Or, if there is an alternative  that I should use that would be better.

Brandon


Re: narator's driver, problems with screen readers and braille.

 

Afik,

It is considered bad netiquette to cross-post between groups, and you sent your last response to:  braille-display-users@groups.io; jfw-users@groups.io; program-l@...; nvda@nvda.groups.io

Please do not cross post replies received to replies on other groups here.  And I feel fairly certain that the members of the Braille Display Users, JFW Users, and Program-L lists would appreciate not having cross posted material as well.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: narator's driver, problems with screen readers and braille.

Afik Souffir
 


Hi,
For me its dont recognizing the even the narator itself.
I i fix it for now, but its happend to me so often so i’m really dont know what to do.
Even removing it does not help, its magically coming back after every update.


Sent from my Iphone

On 15 Aug 2020, at 22:37, Jane Carona <jane.e.carona@...> wrote:



Oh that’s awful!  I did that a couple of months ago when I was fooling around with Narrator and saw that it has support for Braille now.  So I very foolishly hit enter on this driver thing that would make Narrator work with Braille!  It was brltty, and after that, my Braille display wouldn’t work with either Jaws or NVDA.  Took me 3 days to get that fixed.  That’ll teach me not to hit enter on suspicious links!

 

 

From: jfw-users@groups.io <jfw-users@groups.io> On Behalf Of Afik Souffir
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2020 3:12 PM
To: braille-display-users@groups.io; jfw-users@groups.io; program-l@...; nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [jfw-users] narator's driver, problems with screen readers and braille.

 

 

Hi, evening from Israel.

 

This email has been written after a long call with Microsoft disability answer desk about the narator's Braille driver and the problems with other screen readers its can cause.

 

First of all, there is no selution. He suggest me to do a repair for my machine, no matter that I've explained to him 20 times that's is not my problem, its global problem around the world that’s effect many blind people who use Braille.

I even showed him this in Jaws and NVDA, and also that the change braille display driver is not always there, but it’s the same screen as always.

Even removing the driver its not an option, its said "accessibility braille support uninstallation failed most of the time. And if its removes nothing happened with the braille.

 

 

After 30 minutes of explomations and "hmmmmm" from him, which just get me more angry, he said "ok, submit a feedback to us.

But he doesn't know the email address of the department.

 

What do you think? How can we solve this really frasreting

 

 

Afik.


narator's driver, problems with screen readers and braille.

Afik Souffir
 

 

Hi, evening from Israel.

 

This email has been written after a long call with Microsoft disability answer desk about the narator's Braille driver and the problems with other screen readers its can cause.

 

First of all, there is no selution. He suggest me to do a repair for my machine, no matter that I've explained to him 20 times that's is not my problem, its global problem around the world that’s effect many blind people who use Braille.

I even showed him this in Jaws and NVDA, and also that the change braille display driver is not always there, but it’s the same screen as always.

Even removing the driver its not an option, its said "accessibility braille support uninstallation failed most of the time. And if its removes nothing happened with the braille.

 

 

After 30 minutes of explomations and "hmmmmm" from him, which just get me more angry, he said "ok, submit a feedback to us.

But he doesn't know the email address of the department.

 

What do you think? How can we solve this really frasreting

 

 

Afik.


Re: Looking for accessible PDF editors

David Griffith
 

It is not strictly speaking native PDF editing but of course the subscription/later versions of Microsoft Word are perfectly able to open PDF documents for both reading / editing  providing the original PDF is in an accessible format and not a scanned image.
Given the Office standard is widely acknowledged I suspect this would be acceptable to most application providers.
For your purposes you would probably need to re-export the  completed application  document in word back into PDF format otherwise it will try to save in an Office format.
David Griffith  

On 15 Aug 2020, at 19:07, Mária Orovčíková <maria.orovcikova@...> wrote:

Hello,
yes, it is all the same for me.
These two applications are not accessible at all.
Maria
,

Odoslané z iPhonu

Dňa 15. 8. 2020 o 9:52 užívateľ Akash Kakkar <akash.misc07@...> napísal:

Not at all.
I've just again tried foxit and nitro and they are not at all accessible.
can you proov your claim by providing a audio recording?

On 8/15/20, Tyaseta Rabita Nugraeni Sardjono <tyasetarabita@...> wrote:
What you say is not right. I tried all of them. Extreemly accessible.

On Sat, Aug 15, 2020, 13:40 Akash Kakkar <akash.misc07@...> wrote:

None of them is accessible for editting purpose

On 8/15/20, Tyaseta Rabita Nugraeni Sardjono <tyasetarabita@...>
wrote:
For edit pdf can use Adobe acrobat dc, nitro pdf, foxit reader

On Sat, Aug 15, 2020, 12:05 Mária Orovčíková
<maria.orovcikova@...

wrote:

Hello list,
please, are there any PDF Editors available that are accessible with
the
latest NVDA and Windows 10?
I need to fill in an application form which is in PDF format only, so
I
am looking for either an accesible PDF editor or a way how to convert
the file into accessible format to fill in, but the formating as in
original document *must* be preserved. It is the application form for
the city council where I live, that's why formatting is so infortant.
I do not have sighted person around all the time, and I would like to
do
it on my own if possible.
Thank you very much in advance.
Maria






















Re: Looking for accessible PDF editors

Mária Orovčíková
 

Hello,
yes, it is all the same for me.
These two applications are not accessible at all.
Maria
,

Odoslané z iPhonu

Dňa 15. 8. 2020 o 9:52 užívateľ Akash Kakkar <akash.misc07@gmail.com> napísal:

Not at all.
I've just again tried foxit and nitro and they are not at all accessible.
can you proov your claim by providing a audio recording?

On 8/15/20, Tyaseta Rabita Nugraeni Sardjono <tyasetarabita@gmail.com> wrote:
What you say is not right. I tried all of them. Extreemly accessible.

On Sat, Aug 15, 2020, 13:40 Akash Kakkar <akash.misc07@gmail.com> wrote:

None of them is accessible for editting purpose

On 8/15/20, Tyaseta Rabita Nugraeni Sardjono <tyasetarabita@gmail.com>
wrote:
For edit pdf can use Adobe acrobat dc, nitro pdf, foxit reader

On Sat, Aug 15, 2020, 12:05 Mária Orovčíková
<maria.orovcikova@gmail.com

wrote:

Hello list,
please, are there any PDF Editors available that are accessible with
the
latest NVDA and Windows 10?
I need to fill in an application form which is in PDF format only, so
I
am looking for either an accesible PDF editor or a way how to convert
the file into accessible format to fill in, but the formating as in
original document *must* be preserved. It is the application form for
the city council where I live, that's why formatting is so infortant.
I do not have sighted person around all the time, and I would like to
do
it on my own if possible.
Thank you very much in advance.
Maria










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