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Re: How can I get the date from a Braille display?
Cordelia Scharpf
Daniel,
On both PCs (one Windows 10, the other Windows 7) running NVDA 2019.3.1 and with both the voice and Braille display turned on, I got the following:
NVDA+F12: announces and displays time NVDA (held down)+F12 (twice rapidly): announces and displays date, including the day
HTH, Cordelia
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniel Gartmann
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 10:39 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] How can I get the date from a Braille display?
Interesting observations.
Anybody else using a Braille display with a Braille keyboard who can check if it is possible to issue the command to show the date?
Daniel
Fra: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> På vegne af Brian Vogel
By the way, and not using a braille display, when I wanted to get the date announced when NVDA was running I did hold down NVDA then hit F12 twice in rapid succession. Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it. ~ Madonna
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Re: How can I get the date from a Braille display?
Daniel Gartmann
Interesting observations.
Anybody else using a Braille display with a Braille keyboard who can check if it is possible to issue the command to show the date?
Daniel
Fra: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> På vegne af
Brian Vogel
By the way, and not using a braille display, when I wanted to get the date announced when NVDA was running I did hold down NVDA then hit F12 twice in rapid succession. Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it. ~ Madonna
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Thunderbird issue update (comments should be sent to GitHub): changes to Thunderbird is responsible for annoying status bar announcements
Hello NVDA users,
As requested by moderators, please direct further comments to GitHub issue:
A few minutes ago one of the NVDA code contributors tweeted that annoying status bar announcement issue is caused by changes made to Thunderbird itself. In short, Thunderbird placed a tag on its status bar that will cause NVDA to announce messages continuously (technical: ARIA role status was used for status bar).
Unless it is justified that NVDA should resolve this issue on its own, this issue is something Thunderbird developers should resolve. Cheers, Joseph
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Re: why do topics get locked way to quickly?
Really, Mr. Sackrider.
Group moderators and owners are responsible for actually running groups. Moderation is there for a reason. If you do not like moderated groups, then you need not participate in them. I locked three topics today, one that had run 75 messages and had repeated itself, repeatedly. A second topic that was important, but covered the necessary territory and did not warrant any extension. The third was a single message, which recapitulated something the poster stated had already been offered, several times, on a topic previously locked. Here is a note for anyone considering doing that, anywhere: DON'T. When an owner or moderator states a topic is locked that is never an invitation to start another one on the same thing. That can and will get you banned in some forums, here we're a bit more lax. You are not obligated to like a single thing about the group rules, but you and all members are and will remain bound by them. If that is not suitable, you know how to leave just as you knew how to enter. This topic is now locked. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it. ~ Madonna
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why do topics get locked way to quickly?
Brian Sackrider
It seems that more and more moderators are locking topics way to quickly when they have not been going very long or have had that many messages. I think theyare doing this because they don't want to read what people have to say. They are being dictators here they are forgetting about our first amendment right tfree speech. This is America and if I was a moderator of an email list I would never never ristrict anyone's right to free speech. I would never lock any topic no matter what no conditions. Everyone should have their say and the chance to say what they want to say and if the moderator does not want to read it well thats just to bad. This is getting way out of hand. If you don't want to read several messages then don't read them thats what I doLet everyone write what they want to right with no restrictions or locking. This is why I like mytelaspace because it's the only totally free system you can say what you want to say and if people don't like thats to bad. Thats the way that should be for every email list. If you complain to the adminastrator you are told to just press your one or 3 key if you don't want to hear the message. This is America so get with the program and stop taking away our first amendment right to free speech. This is the reason that lists often have low trafic because people can't say what they want to say on lists. The topic that just got locked was not evengoing on for a whole day. This was a new topic about a new problem that people were having so it should not have been locked so quickly what is wrong with the moderator?
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Status Line In Thunderbird
Ron Canazzi
Hi Group,
With all the discussion of this extra verbiage with Thunderbird as concerns the status line, I have a suggestion. Actually this has already been mentioned here, but it is quite easy. If you want the status line--which i do, when you are reading messages or moving up/down lists of messages in folder, just press alt + V for view, followed by enter and then the letter U for status line. If it's on it will turn off. Then when you are browsing folder lists or receiving mail you can turn it on by using the same keystrokes and read the status line. Again, I wish they had made that accessibility fix less vebose. They could have given it the same accessibility attributes as it had prior to version 60.9 and things would have been OK. Maybe if we all send them feedback they'll fix it. -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: Bug Reports: Thunderbird talks too much
A final message on this topic.
The issue I created for NVDA can be found at: NVDA reads Thunderbird Status Bar, intruding on anything else you're doing. The naked URL for that issue is: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10975 The Bugzilla bug related to this, filed by Shaun Everiss, for Thunderbird is available at: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1628891 The appropriate place for additional input, if any, is on one, the other, or both of these locations. This topic is now locked. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it. ~ Madonna
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Re: Bug Reports: Thunderbird talks too much
Ron Canazzi
Hi Adriani,
If you subscribe to multiple mailing lists and if you have filters for each list and if you group messages by conversation, then seeing the number of messages in a folder and the number of unread messages is critical. It saves a lot of time in moving around collapsing and expanding your conversations, looking at the folder tree view and so on. Previous to version 60.9, when you used the hotkey for reading the status line, it red the critical information described above but otherwise it was silent. You could navigate around the list of messages and read a message without hearing any blow by blow account of your actions. With the old JAWS program, you could create a frame around an area of the screen and silence it and use a hotkey to read it. Maybe NVDA developers could creat a tool for such activity. Thunderbird isn't the only program where NVDA becomes too verbose. On 4/9/2020 7:23 PM, Adriani Botez
wrote:
Is the information in the status bar very critical? Is it needed to be able to use Thunderbird? -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: Thunderbird talking way too much
At this point, this topic is exhausted and is being locked.
Bug reports now exist for both NVDA and Thunderbird, and direct links to each have been provided in a dedicated topic. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it. ~ Madonna
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Re: Bug Reports: Thunderbird talks too much
On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 07:43 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
I was able to report to bugzilla using my github account if that makes sence.Shaun - this is a message from me speaking as Moderator. Please, please, please start reading what has already been told to you about this not making one bit of sense and taking that on board before posting exactly what you've been told is wrong again. It's the very least you can do. If you don't start doing that, I will put you on moderated status. One final time - There is absolutely, positively no connection of any kind between GitHub and Bugzilla other than they are both systems used to report bugs. In this specifi case, Thunderbird bugs are reported on Bugzilla. NVDA issues/bugs are reported on GitHub. You cannot use a GitHub account on Bugzilla or vice versa. They are completely separate worlds. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it. ~ Madonna
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Re: Bug Reports: Thunderbird talks too much
Joseph, et. al.,
Based on your latest comment I have created a new GitHub issue for NVDA: NVDA reads Thunderbird Status Bar, intruding on anything else you're doing. The information included is a direct link to both the Bugzilla bug filed by Shaun Everiss and the other NVDA issue I mentioned previously. Unless I am mistaken, this behavior appears to have started only with the installation of Thunderbird 68.7. If it is happening in earlier dot releases of 68 then will those experiencing it there please add a comment to the issue indicating same, and specifying the version of Tbird they're having the issue with. I am currently using NVDA 2019.3.1 and do not know if this occurs with the same Tbird release, but an earlier NVDA release. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it. ~ Madonna
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Re: Thunderbird talking way too much
Gene
What happens if someone using NVDA goes to a page with a stock ticker that
is a live region. While there is no reasonf for the status line in
Thunderbird to be a live region and it shouldn’t be, I think there should be a
setting in NVDA to turn off speech in live regions. This should be
implemented regardless of what the Thunderbird problem is and no matter if
Mozilla fixes it in a reasonable time.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird talking way too
much Heck I don't care who fixes it, I just want it fixed. If nvaccess thinks it can fix this faster than mozilla go for it. I am over this verbose thing right now, I don't care who fixes it, there are obviously issues for both of you, its just who is faster to act. I'd like to see what mozilla says and does, but in the mean time if you feel you can make this faster, then as a user I think you should go for it reguardless.
On 10/04/2020 11:07 am, Joseph Lee wrote:
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I was able to report to bugzilla using my github account if that makes sence.
On 10/04/2020 10:32 am, Brian Vogel
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Shaun,
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Re: Thunderbird talking way too much
Heck I don't care who fixes it, I just want it fixed. If nvaccess thinks it can fix this faster than mozilla go for it. I am over this verbose thing right now, I don't care who fixes it, there are obviously issues for both of you, its just who is faster to act. I'd like to see what mozilla says and does, but in the mean time if you feel you can make this faster, then as a user I think you should go for it reguardless.
On 10/04/2020 11:07 am, Joseph Lee
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Re: Bug Reports: Thunderbird talks too much
Well I have never had the issue of not reading status, nvda sends progress when sending and recieving, in fact the status bar appears when sending but thats ok. I don't need every message on the status bar read, message status maybe would be good, if there is an error or if something is processing then I'd like to hear a time report on request like I can get from outlook if I ask it for one, etc. I don't need a running comentary.
On 10/04/2020 11:10 am, Brian Vogel
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By the way, there appears to be a related bug on NVDA in GitHub, kind of: NVDA fails to see text in the status bar of Mozilla Thunderbird 68 and newer
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Re: Bug Reports: Thunderbird talks too much
Well I have reported it to mozilla since it didn't happen before but hell if you want to crossport it to nvda git then be my guest. Fact is, I am technically putting it on here, there is an archive to this topic if people want to make an issue and shove that topic on the git as a port for nvaccess well who knows. It would be nice if the dev of the software actually fixed things.
On 10/04/2020 11:15 am, Joseph Lee
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Re: Bug Reports: Thunderbird talks too much
well to be honest I have added a comment to the report that at least for those with disabilities there actually needs to be a direct way to email someone to explain without mucking round like this. Now bugzilla aint bad butt direct communication I still feel is best.
On 10/04/2020 11:22 am, Brian Vogel
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Joseph,
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Re: Bug Reports: Thunderbird talks too much
Hi, I'm running some diagnostic tests at the moment... From what I've seen over the years, once a user files an issue with the app developer, NV Access is supposed to be notified of this. In this case, since the issues described here and on GitHub are a bit related yet are quite separate, the best way is creating a new issue with whoever is going to file one providing the direct link to Bugzilla report. Then: * If it is NVDA problem, NVDA developers will come up with a fix. * If this is from Thunderbird, the issue will be closed with "needs external fix" label attached. Cheers, Joseph
On 4/9/2020 4:22 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Joseph,
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Re: Bug Reports: Thunderbird talks too much
Well the only thing the statusbar needs to do actually is simply be a blank statusbar and continue not reading so I can continue to get my progress as normal. I'd like to be able to customise things so actions I do have sounds maybe but I don't need a running log output which is what is currently happening. I liked it when the status bar was useless but if its going to have information then I'd like a way to customise things.
On 10/04/2020 11:23 am, Adriani Botez
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Is the information in the status bar very critical? Is it needed to be able to use Thunderbird?
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Re: Bug Reports: Thunderbird talks too much
Adriani Botez
Does this occur with nvda 2019.2.1?
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Am 10.04.2020 um 01:27 schrieb Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>:
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