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NVDA Not Working with CyberLink PowerDVD Ultra 19

Chris
 

Since PowerDVD Ultra 19 is a popular Windows program for Blu-ray and DVD video playback, adding compatibility with NVDA would allow sight-impared users to access and change preferences, perform functions within a movie or an album, etc..  If there is an NVDA add-on for this program, please let me know.  Since this is my first post here, I understand it might not make it to the group and needs time for approval.  If I get approved, I'd be happy to post this again if this post doesn't make  it to the group.  Ultimately, I hope the developers of NVDA are reading this and will be able to add support for CyberLink PowerDVD Ultra version 19 and beyond to NVDA.

        Thank you,

    Chris


Re: NVDA 2019.3 RC 2 is released

David Goldfield
 

Hi, Betsy.

Do you know the name of the addon you were formerly using which had the Eloquence voice. I ask because you can continue to use the Eloquence voices with NVDA 2019.3 if that is a voice that you prefer.

If you are using the Eloquence/Vocalizer addon from CodeFactory then you can continue to use it with NVDA 2019.3 but you will need to download a newer version of the addon, which you can get to from this link. I was able to do this and I now have Eloquence working with 2019.3. You will likely need to reactivate the license but it can be done.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 2/4/2020 2:33 PM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:

I just took the time and updated to the latest for NVDA. Everything seems to be working well. I miss Eloquence and wish it could have remained but am getting used to David. He sounds decent. Thank you for making the installation so easy for a novice such as myself. I would like to thank all those who work on keeping NVDA so easy for us to use. Please make sure everyone involved gets my thanks.



On 2/4/2020 4:42 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
Quentin,

I downloaded and installed the RC and I am very pleased so far. The licence agreement at the start and the automatic speech was very impressive. I actually listened to the whole agreement!

I had not seen the speech control and selection before so this looks new to me. It gives so many choices that it should be possible for a comfortable voice to be found. I prefer Eloquence and had been running the add-on up to now. I have achieved almost the same voice that I am used to so I'll see how that settles down for my ear!

Congratulations to the whole team and thanks for all the hard work.

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...







Re: Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

David Goldfield
 

Zahra,

There is always a risk that antimalware programs may accidentally remove an important program or a component of a program because it could mistakenly conclude that the program in question is malware. It has happened and there have been occasions where a program or other component of a screen reader was mistakenly flagged as a virus. However, this type of occurrence, while extremely inconvenient when it happens, is also extremely rare. I've been using computers running Windows since 1994 and have used a variety of antivirus programs during that time and I have never had my screen reader flagged as a virus or trojan. Yes, it can happen but the risk of this happening is low. However, if you plan on using a computer for anything more than writing simple documents trust me when I say that having a good antimalware solution running on your computer is absolutely essential and the benefits far outweigh these small risks. A doctor may mistakenly diagnose your cold symptoms for a more serious condition but the benefits of regularly seeing a physician far outweigh such risks. Windows Defender is now a very good security program. I would encourage you to just enjoy using your computer and to know that, if such a false positive does occur, the developer of that piece of software will do everything to ensure that their software is no longer flagged as a virus as soon as the antimalware vendor can be shown that a mistake has been made.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 2/8/2020 1:18 AM, zahra wrote:
Shaun,
did i understand it correctly?
i think that antivirus programs especially microsoft products,
scan the entire system and maybe remove our necessary and important
files even maybe nvda or even other files including html, docx, audio
and video files?
i remember that in one of the iranian websites,
someone recorded a tutorial which explained how to exclude our desired
folders from scanning by deffender.
his tutorial was for windows ten.
does windows deffender on windows 8 and 8.1 does the same things, and
it may removes our essential and important files without worning or
informing us about this matter?

On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Yeah some of that software uses autoit and that is known to make viruses.

At any rate its clunkey and slow as a language so I wouldn't bother
using programs written in it but you should be able to exclude things.

Yeah when microsoft security etc cleans things it turns user account
control on at 33% by default.



On 8/02/2020 3:41 am, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Quenton,

In addition, I always have Defender set to update to the latest
version. I have had odd issues with it in the past. If you are
familiar with Steve's Clock, Defender flagged that consistently. Even
after I allowed it under Defender settings, every time Windows
updates, it flags it again. I had to go into the settings and
manually exempt the Steve's clock folder from Defender scans. Even
then, it always brings up User Account Control when I run it. It
never comes up in start up--even though I have it set to run at start
up. I have reported this to both the program developer and Microsoft
with no change. I am glad that this isn't happening with NVDA on my
system.


On 2/7/2020 1:00 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I believe this only affects Windows 10 at this stage? Perhaps
Rosemarie and Ron are using Windows 7? Or their Defender hasn't
updated to the latest definitions maybe?

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...
<mailto:aa2vm@...>> wrote:

Hi Group,

I also do not have this issue with RC3.


On 2/7/2020 12:28 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Quentin,

I'm not having this problem on my system. I'm using espeak but I
wonder if I should use something else just to be on the safe side.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:14 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Hi folks,

It was NVDARemote the other week, now it seems it's our turn for
Microsoft's random unfounded accusations. If you try to install
the release candidate of NVDA 2019.3, Windows Defender will
alert you it has found a trojan in eSpeak NG and blocked it.
The install of NVDA will fail.

As a workaround for now, you can create a portable copy of the
RC and that should run fine. You won't be able to use eSpeak NG.

NVDA 2019.2.1 installs and runs fine, even using eSpeak NG (it
uses a different build of eSpeak NG).

I am not sure whether this affects Windows 7 users as well. I
have reported it to Microsoft but I would encourage everyone
else to as well. To be honest, even aside from it being our
program affected, this really annoys me. Defender has NOT found
a trojan in eSpeak, its heuristic (machine learning) has guessed
that it looks a bit suspicious and flagged it - Ok that happens,
but say that, don't say absolutely that a known malicious
software has been found.

It took a day or so to fix Defender's virus list and have
NVDARemote cleared, so I expect it will probably be within about
the same timeline this time around. Apologies for the
inconvenience.

--

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Training and Support Manager

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Re: Braille me and NVDA2019.3?

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi cristo,
I would like to see the braille me have a bluetooth and USB emulation mode so it could emulate another common display like a baum vario20 or refreshabraille18 that way it could work with more screen readers. And also a USB serial mode for any screen readers that may need that connection type as well such as those using old copies of window-eyes. 

Josh


Re: Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

coffeekingms@hotmail.com
 

Hi

I want to weigh in hear, a bit. I’m no security expert, at all, but I see a couple of possible options hear. Are there any compatible ISO images that can be put on a USB flash drive, windows and Linux, that can be used to scan a drive, backup drives, etc for malware and remove any that is found? Since we’re talking about exclusions, a way to exclude false positives, and remove the negatives? I know virus detection is complicated, and I don’t presume to have a perfect solution, but it’s an option. Have whatever security software you like, whichever works, but have a backup, that is separate from your computer, so if gets infected by something nasty, you can boot something self contained to work with. The images would have to be accessible out of the box, without any setup needed, and I’m not sure anything exists. I know for Linux there’s kali, bt I believe that’s for penetration testing and the like. If not, I’d be happy to try to put something together, if anyone is interested. Again, I’m not an expert, and I’m not even sure how to do this but I’d be willing to try. I’m not sure about the windows licensing and such, so it might not be possible to put a windows based one together, but Linux is another story. I’m not advocating Linux, but … oh hell. I don’t want to start a flame war. Another option is to have backup software on a flash drive that can run from a flash drive, but you’d need a functioning system to run it.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 3:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

 

Using no security at all is dumb and stupid.

You should always have some of it.

A false negative means you get a virus and loose stuff.

Thats happened to one of my cousins ironically because he forgot to
update his norton subscription and he lost a lot of stuff, he had to
reformat to make the problem go away.

He couldn't do that himself and had to take the pc to somewhere to get
it fixed, it cost him a lot of cash.

While I am not against using security software in general I am
dissapointed and disheartened at the reasonable amount of noise in the
scans.

I know what the false positives are and what they are but unless I make
exclude lists for my software things will just get destroyed by the
software, don't use it and its worse.

But it depends what you do.

If you just use windows store apps, email via google, etc, chances are
you will be probably fine especially if everything is done in the cloud
as there is some protection there but its not perfect.


I wouldn't go about bragging you do not use security software as it is
very dangerous.

At the same time, it does concern me that every update of the so called
databases there is a chance that something else will be added to my
noisy scan data.

This means I need to lower my security by excluding things.

I do not at any way shape or form feel good about this but what else can
I do.

And I far better be complaining about false alarms than getting a virus,
I just wish things would get easier.

Something changed in the year 2003 which started us down the road of the
security nightmare we are on now.

At first, a few programs, but by 2007 we were seeing noisier and noisier
data and by 2012 it was really bad.

Since 2015 its plattoed at a point not going up or down which I guess is
good, however I'd like it to go back to normal.

I shouldn't get any message from my security software unless I have a
virus and can decide on the action.

Instead I get told I have a virus which is either something new, old or
that has been working before.

Instead of running malwarebytes which I no longer have installed on any
of my systems and full scanns of windows security or others, I don't
scan at all bar a quick scan or so which is done automatically.

Back in the day I would regular do this.

But now my system is infested with a lot of viruses and I know that all
of them are false positives and they never change so I don't upgrade or
anything.

Well I don't use a thirdparty scanner, put it that way.

I started with sophos but it made sure to make all the viruses go away
screwing up my system.

It took me a great deal to reinstall windows from scratch and get
everything back.

The meaning of security software is to at least be a guide to security.

I am more insecure with security software so I have to force it to behave.

At the same time I wouldn't go without it.

All those ransomware attacks, botnets and malwarebreaches are worse than
any false positive.

Yet I really wish they would stop.

I manage a blog and a server on wordpress and do use security software.

And I havn't lost anything that wasn't supposed to be a problem, all my
files are there, no problem.

Yet in user computers companies think they can just do what they want.






On 8/02/2020 10:05 pm, zahra wrote:
> false positive and false negative, are two of the main factors that i
> never trust and never use security programs, antivirus, antimalware,
> etc.
> not sure about firewalls, but i never used and i am not familiar with
> there method and the level of there reliability.
> in the previous weeks, maybe in the first days of new year, i sent an
> ofline email for you,
> but unfortunately i did not recieve your reply and i am waiting for your answer!
> God bless you and thanks so much for your helpful replies as always.
>
> On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>> Just about every antimalware program has this false positive.
>>
>> Kaspersky and a few others are supposed to be better.
>>
>> Anyway what I actually said was that these programs at least some of
>> them detect more false than well who knows.
>>
>> I have never got a virus in the last 10 years but I have got a lot of
>> false alarms.
>>
>> Not sure about win8 etc, but yes you can exclude stuff you know is not a
>> problem.
>>
>> It would be good actually if you excluded the file you could report all
>> your excluded files to the maker like microsoft and for each you could
>> state what it was, etc and maybe get support on it.
>>
>> The issue I have and maybe others, is that while some of the stuff we
>> know about, I spend more time stopping false alarms than actual viruses.
>>
>> I am not sure if thats a good or bad thing but its certainly stopped me
>> from getting any serious security software.
>>
>> If windows defender and malwarebytes cause this much trouble with a
>> false positive, then I really don't want to know what a really good
>> antivirus will say.
>>
>> But basically everything on your system is a potential virus depending
>> on the detections and stuff used.
>>
>> And with the cloud based ai, I doubt that at the automated level there
>> is much control.
>>
>> If you tell them they will fix the issue but there is no reason to think
>> it will stay fixed.
>>
>> As a result all the false alarms make the display of the software noisy.
>>
>> As I said, right now I have so many security holes in my computer caused
>> by so many folder excludes that if it wasn't for ransomware, I have half
>> a mind to exclude my entire hard drive or even disable the windows
>> security subsystem.
>>
>> However there is always the if factor so I don't.
>>
>> I havn't run any full system scans in the last 10 years, and I havn't
>> run any malware software in the last 5 years simply because of this issue.
>>
>> With the so called inteligent stuff about bgt and maybe some older
>> software excluded, it seems that every software package needs a security
>> certification id or something and while it would be nice to get one, I
>> do wander if I could get one myself for the purpose that the software I
>> have is not a problem or something.
>>
>> I know some say I am just unlucky, but on all my other systems with out
>> blind games, blind software and blind accessible programs there are no
>> trogens at all and that in itself is a concern, no excludes on any of my
>> other systems yet.
>>
>> Maybe I may exclude nvda just because I am concerned but still, maybe I
>> have over excluded because of all this going on.
>>
>>
>> On 8/02/2020 7:18 pm, zahra wrote:
>>> Shaun,
>>> did i understand it correctly?
>>> i think that antivirus programs especially microsoft products,
>>> scan the entire system and maybe remove our necessary and important
>>> files even maybe nvda or even other files including html, docx, audio
>>> and video files?
>>> i remember that in one of the iranian websites,
>>> someone recorded a tutorial which explained how to exclude our desired
>>> folders from scanning by deffender.
>>> his tutorial was for windows ten.
>>> does windows deffender on windows 8 and 8.1 does the same things, and
>>> it may removes our essential and important files without worning or
>>> informing us about this matter?
>>>
>>> On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>>>> Yeah some of that software uses autoit and that is known to make
>>>> viruses.
>>>>
>>>> At any rate its clunkey and slow as a language so I wouldn't bother
>>>> using programs written in it but you should be able to exclude things.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah when microsoft security etc cleans things it turns user account
>>>> control on at 33% by default.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/02/2020 3:41 am, Ron Canazzi wrote:
>>>>> Hi Quenton,
>>>>>
>>>>> In addition, I always have Defender set to update to the latest
>>>>> version.  I have had odd issues with it in the past.  If you are
>>>>> familiar with Steve's Clock, Defender flagged that consistently. Even
>>>>> after I allowed it under Defender settings, every time Windows
>>>>> updates, it flags it again.  I had to go into the settings and
>>>>> manually exempt the Steve's clock folder from Defender scans. Even
>>>>> then, it always brings up User Account Control when I run it.  It
>>>>> never comes up in start up--even though I have it set to run at start
>>>>> up.  I have reported this to both the program developer and Microsoft
>>>>> with no change.  I  am glad that this isn't happening with NVDA on my
>>>>> system.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/7/2020 1:00 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>>>>>> I believe this only affects Windows 10 at this stage?  Perhaps
>>>>>> Rosemarie and Ron are using Windows 7?  Or their Defender hasn't
>>>>>> updated to the latest definitions maybe?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...
>>>>>> <mailto:aa2vm@...>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       Hi Group,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       I also do not have this issue with RC3.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       On 2/7/2020 12:28 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>>>       Hi, Quentin,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       I'm not having this problem on my system. I'm using espeak but I
>>>>>>>       wonder if I should use something else just to be on the safe
>>>>>>> side.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Rosemarie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>       [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin Christensen
>>>>>>>       *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:14 PM
>>>>>>>       *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>       *Subject:* [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Hi folks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       It was NVDARemote the other week, now it seems it's our turn for
>>>>>>>       Microsoft's random unfounded accusations.  If you try to install
>>>>>>>       the release candidate of NVDA 2019.3, Windows Defender will
>>>>>>>       alert you it has found a trojan in eSpeak NG and blocked it.
>>>>>>>       The install of NVDA will fail.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       As a workaround for now, you can create a portable copy of the
>>>>>>>       RC and that should run fine.  You won't be able to use eSpeak
>>>>>>> NG.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       NVDA 2019.2.1 installs and runs fine, even using eSpeak NG (it
>>>>>>>       uses a different build of eSpeak NG).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       I am not sure whether this affects Windows 7 users as well.  I
>>>>>>>       have reported it to Microsoft but I would encourage everyone
>>>>>>>       else to as well.  To be honest, even aside from it being our
>>>>>>>       program affected, this really annoys me.  Defender has NOT found
>>>>>>>       a trojan in eSpeak, its heuristic (machine learning) has guessed
>>>>>>>       that it looks a bit suspicious and flagged it - Ok that happens,
>>>>>>>       but say that, don't say absolutely that a known malicious
>>>>>>>       software has been found.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       It took a day or so to fix Defender's virus list and have
>>>>>>>       NVDARemote cleared, so I expect it will probably be within about
>>>>>>>       the same timeline this time around. Apologies for the
>>>>>>> inconvenience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Quentin Christensen
>>>>>>>       Training and Support Manager
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>>>>>>       Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>       --
>>>>>>       They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>>>>>>       They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>>>>>>       I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Quentin Christensen
>>>>>> Training and Support Manager
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
>>>>>> https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
>>>>>> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>>> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
>>>>>> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
>>>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>>>>> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>>>>> --
>>>>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>>>>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>>>>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

 


Re: My Seika Touchme5 no longer works with NVDA

 

Hi,
Seika developers are aware of incompatibilities and are working on it.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cordelia Scharpf
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 12:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] My Seika Touchme5 no longer works with NVDA

Hi, Ollie:

A search on the Internet for "patch" or "driver" for your Braille display and NVDA might expedite it. If there is nothing, then contacting them would be more than necessary as this is an urgent matter.

May I contact you offlist about Linux-related queries?

Cordially,
Cordelia

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2020 12:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] My Seika Touchme5 no longer works with NVDA

Hello Cordelia,


Thanks. I'lltry and contact them, but I had no luck a couple of years ago about some other issue I had, so I'm afraid it's goingto be a bit of a waste of time.


Touchme5 works great in Linux, so I might try and see if installing BRLTTY for Windows solvesthe problem, at least temorarily.


Take care,

Ollie




On 07/02/2020 22:50, Cordelia Scharpf wrote:
Hi, Ollie:

I don't know/use the Seika Braile display. However, you might ask its manufacturer if they have released a new patch that would be compatible with the new NVDA software. If they have not done so yet, it is high time to alert them of this problem and see it fixed.

Best of luck,
Cordelia


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2020 10:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] My Seika Touchme5 no longer works with NVDA


Hello all,


I'm using NVDA Alphas. For qite some time now, my Seika Touchme5 no
longer works as expected.

I'm unable to scroll horizontally, whetehr I set it to Automatic or Seika.


Are tehre any tips to make this work?


I have to use an old and battered pm 40 by freedom Scientific, which has
a number of cells with dots that either don't come up or don't go down
when needed. This makes it really difficult to read in different languages.


thanks for any help ou can provide.


Ciao,

Ollie







Re: Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

 

Using no security at all is dumb and stupid.

You should always have some of it.

A false negative means you get a virus and loose stuff.

Thats happened to one of my cousins ironically because he forgot to update his norton subscription and he lost a lot of stuff, he had to reformat to make the problem go away.

He couldn't do that himself and had to take the pc to somewhere to get it fixed, it cost him a lot of cash.

While I am not against using security software in general I am dissapointed and disheartened at the reasonable amount of noise in the scans.

I know what the false positives are and what they are but unless I make exclude lists for my software things will just get destroyed by the software, don't use it and its worse.

But it depends what you do.

If you just use windows store apps, email via google, etc, chances are you will be probably fine especially if everything is done in the cloud as there is some protection there but its not perfect.


I wouldn't go about bragging you do not use security software as it is very dangerous.

At the same time, it does concern me that every update of the so called databases there is a chance that something else will be added to my noisy scan data.

This means I need to lower my security by excluding things.

I do not at any way shape or form feel good about this but what else can I do.

And I far better be complaining about false alarms than getting a virus, I just wish things would get easier.

Something changed in the year 2003 which started us down the road of the security nightmare we are on now.

At first, a few programs, but by 2007 we were seeing noisier and noisier data and by 2012 it was really bad.

Since 2015 its plattoed at a point not going up or down which I guess is good, however I'd like it to go back to normal.

I shouldn't get any message from my security software unless I have a virus and can decide on the action.

Instead I get told I have a virus which is either something new, old or that has been working before.

Instead of running malwarebytes which I no longer have installed on any of my systems and full scanns of windows security or others, I don't scan at all bar a quick scan or so which is done automatically.

Back in the day I would regular do this.

But now my system is infested with a lot of viruses and I know that all of them are false positives and they never change so I don't upgrade or anything.

Well I don't use a thirdparty scanner, put it that way.

I started with sophos but it made sure to make all the viruses go away screwing up my system.

It took me a great deal to reinstall windows from scratch and get everything back.

The meaning of security software is to at least be a guide to security.

I am more insecure with security software so I have to force it to behave.

At the same time I wouldn't go without it.

All those ransomware attacks, botnets and malwarebreaches are worse than any false positive.

Yet I really wish they would stop.

I manage a blog and a server on wordpress and do use security software.

And I havn't lost anything that wasn't supposed to be a problem, all my files are there, no problem.

Yet in user computers companies think they can just do what they want.

On 8/02/2020 10:05 pm, zahra wrote:
false positive and false negative, are two of the main factors that i
never trust and never use security programs, antivirus, antimalware,
etc.
not sure about firewalls, but i never used and i am not familiar with
there method and the level of there reliability.
in the previous weeks, maybe in the first days of new year, i sent an
ofline email for you,
but unfortunately i did not recieve your reply and i am waiting for your answer!
God bless you and thanks so much for your helpful replies as always.

On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Just about every antimalware program has this false positive.

Kaspersky and a few others are supposed to be better.

Anyway what I actually said was that these programs at least some of
them detect more false than well who knows.

I have never got a virus in the last 10 years but I have got a lot of
false alarms.

Not sure about win8 etc, but yes you can exclude stuff you know is not a
problem.

It would be good actually if you excluded the file you could report all
your excluded files to the maker like microsoft and for each you could
state what it was, etc and maybe get support on it.

The issue I have and maybe others, is that while some of the stuff we
know about, I spend more time stopping false alarms than actual viruses.

I am not sure if thats a good or bad thing but its certainly stopped me
from getting any serious security software.

If windows defender and malwarebytes cause this much trouble with a
false positive, then I really don't want to know what a really good
antivirus will say.

But basically everything on your system is a potential virus depending
on the detections and stuff used.

And with the cloud based ai, I doubt that at the automated level there
is much control.

If you tell them they will fix the issue but there is no reason to think
it will stay fixed.

As a result all the false alarms make the display of the software noisy.

As I said, right now I have so many security holes in my computer caused
by so many folder excludes that if it wasn't for ransomware, I have half
a mind to exclude my entire hard drive or even disable the windows
security subsystem.

However there is always the if factor so I don't.

I havn't run any full system scans in the last 10 years, and I havn't
run any malware software in the last 5 years simply because of this issue.

With the so called inteligent stuff about bgt and maybe some older
software excluded, it seems that every software package needs a security
certification id or something and while it would be nice to get one, I
do wander if I could get one myself for the purpose that the software I
have is not a problem or something.

I know some say I am just unlucky, but on all my other systems with out
blind games, blind software and blind accessible programs there are no
trogens at all and that in itself is a concern, no excludes on any of my
other systems yet.

Maybe I may exclude nvda just because I am concerned but still, maybe I
have over excluded because of all this going on.


On 8/02/2020 7:18 pm, zahra wrote:
Shaun,
did i understand it correctly?
i think that antivirus programs especially microsoft products,
scan the entire system and maybe remove our necessary and important
files even maybe nvda or even other files including html, docx, audio
and video files?
i remember that in one of the iranian websites,
someone recorded a tutorial which explained how to exclude our desired
folders from scanning by deffender.
his tutorial was for windows ten.
does windows deffender on windows 8 and 8.1 does the same things, and
it may removes our essential and important files without worning or
informing us about this matter?

On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Yeah some of that software uses autoit and that is known to make
viruses.

At any rate its clunkey and slow as a language so I wouldn't bother
using programs written in it but you should be able to exclude things.

Yeah when microsoft security etc cleans things it turns user account
control on at 33% by default.



On 8/02/2020 3:41 am, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Quenton,

In addition, I always have Defender set to update to the latest
version. I have had odd issues with it in the past. If you are
familiar with Steve's Clock, Defender flagged that consistently. Even
after I allowed it under Defender settings, every time Windows
updates, it flags it again. I had to go into the settings and
manually exempt the Steve's clock folder from Defender scans. Even
then, it always brings up User Account Control when I run it. It
never comes up in start up--even though I have it set to run at start
up. I have reported this to both the program developer and Microsoft
with no change. I am glad that this isn't happening with NVDA on my
system.


On 2/7/2020 1:00 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I believe this only affects Windows 10 at this stage? Perhaps
Rosemarie and Ron are using Windows 7? Or their Defender hasn't
updated to the latest definitions maybe?

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...
<mailto:aa2vm@...>> wrote:

Hi Group,

I also do not have this issue with RC3.


On 2/7/2020 12:28 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Quentin,

I'm not having this problem on my system. I'm using espeak but I
wonder if I should use something else just to be on the safe
side.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:14 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Hi folks,

It was NVDARemote the other week, now it seems it's our turn for
Microsoft's random unfounded accusations. If you try to install
the release candidate of NVDA 2019.3, Windows Defender will
alert you it has found a trojan in eSpeak NG and blocked it.
The install of NVDA will fail.

As a workaround for now, you can create a portable copy of the
RC and that should run fine. You won't be able to use eSpeak
NG.

NVDA 2019.2.1 installs and runs fine, even using eSpeak NG (it
uses a different build of eSpeak NG).

I am not sure whether this affects Windows 7 users as well. I
have reported it to Microsoft but I would encourage everyone
else to as well. To be honest, even aside from it being our
program affected, this really annoys me. Defender has NOT found
a trojan in eSpeak, its heuristic (machine learning) has guessed
that it looks a bit suspicious and flagged it - Ok that happens,
but say that, don't say absolutely that a known malicious
software has been found.

It took a day or so to fix Defender's virus list and have
NVDARemote cleared, so I expect it will probably be within about
the same timeline this time around. Apologies for the
inconvenience.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

 

false positive and false negative, are two of the main factors that i
never trust and never use security programs, antivirus, antimalware,
etc.
not sure about firewalls, but i never used and i am not familiar with
there method and the level of there reliability.
in the previous weeks, maybe in the first days of new year, i sent an
ofline email for you,
but unfortunately i did not recieve your reply and i am waiting for your answer!
God bless you and thanks so much for your helpful replies as always.

On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Just about every antimalware program has this false positive.

Kaspersky and a few others are supposed to be better.

Anyway what I actually said was that these programs at least some of
them detect more false than well who knows.

I have never got a virus in the last 10 years but I have got a lot of
false alarms.

Not sure about win8 etc, but yes you can exclude stuff you know is not a
problem.

It would be good actually if you excluded the file you could report all
your excluded files to the maker like microsoft and for each you could
state what it was, etc and maybe get support on it.

The issue I have and maybe others, is that while some of the stuff we
know about, I spend more time stopping false alarms than actual viruses.

I am not sure if thats a good or bad thing but its certainly stopped me
from getting any serious security software.

If windows defender and malwarebytes cause this much trouble with a
false positive, then I really don't want to know what a really good
antivirus will say.

But basically everything on your system is a potential virus depending
on the detections and stuff used.

And with the cloud based ai, I doubt that at the automated level there
is much control.

If you tell them they will fix the issue but there is no reason to think
it will stay fixed.

As a result all the false alarms make the display of the software noisy.

As I said, right now I have so many security holes in my computer caused
by so many folder excludes that if it wasn't for ransomware, I have half
a mind to exclude my entire hard drive or even disable the windows
security subsystem.

However there is always the if factor so I don't.

I havn't run any full system scans in the last 10 years, and I havn't
run any malware software in the last 5 years simply because of this issue.

With the so called inteligent stuff about bgt and maybe some older
software excluded, it seems that every software package needs a security
certification id or something and while it would be nice to get one, I
do wander if I could get one myself for the purpose that the software I
have is not a problem or something.

I know some say I am just unlucky, but on all my other systems with out
blind games, blind software and blind accessible programs there are no
trogens at all and that in itself is a concern, no excludes on any of my
other systems yet.

Maybe I may exclude nvda just because I am concerned but still, maybe I
have over excluded because of all this going on.


On 8/02/2020 7:18 pm, zahra wrote:
Shaun,
did i understand it correctly?
i think that antivirus programs especially microsoft products,
scan the entire system and maybe remove our necessary and important
files even maybe nvda or even other files including html, docx, audio
and video files?
i remember that in one of the iranian websites,
someone recorded a tutorial which explained how to exclude our desired
folders from scanning by deffender.
his tutorial was for windows ten.
does windows deffender on windows 8 and 8.1 does the same things, and
it may removes our essential and important files without worning or
informing us about this matter?

On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Yeah some of that software uses autoit and that is known to make
viruses.

At any rate its clunkey and slow as a language so I wouldn't bother
using programs written in it but you should be able to exclude things.

Yeah when microsoft security etc cleans things it turns user account
control on at 33% by default.



On 8/02/2020 3:41 am, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Quenton,

In addition, I always have Defender set to update to the latest
version. I have had odd issues with it in the past. If you are
familiar with Steve's Clock, Defender flagged that consistently. Even
after I allowed it under Defender settings, every time Windows
updates, it flags it again. I had to go into the settings and
manually exempt the Steve's clock folder from Defender scans. Even
then, it always brings up User Account Control when I run it. It
never comes up in start up--even though I have it set to run at start
up. I have reported this to both the program developer and Microsoft
with no change. I am glad that this isn't happening with NVDA on my
system.


On 2/7/2020 1:00 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I believe this only affects Windows 10 at this stage? Perhaps
Rosemarie and Ron are using Windows 7? Or their Defender hasn't
updated to the latest definitions maybe?

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...
<mailto:aa2vm@...>> wrote:

Hi Group,

I also do not have this issue with RC3.


On 2/7/2020 12:28 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Quentin,

I'm not having this problem on my system. I'm using espeak but I
wonder if I should use something else just to be on the safe
side.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:14 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Hi folks,

It was NVDARemote the other week, now it seems it's our turn for
Microsoft's random unfounded accusations. If you try to install
the release candidate of NVDA 2019.3, Windows Defender will
alert you it has found a trojan in eSpeak NG and blocked it.
The install of NVDA will fail.

As a workaround for now, you can create a portable copy of the
RC and that should run fine. You won't be able to use eSpeak
NG.

NVDA 2019.2.1 installs and runs fine, even using eSpeak NG (it
uses a different build of eSpeak NG).

I am not sure whether this affects Windows 7 users as well. I
have reported it to Microsoft but I would encourage everyone
else to as well. To be honest, even aside from it being our
program affected, this really annoys me. Defender has NOT found
a trojan in eSpeak, its heuristic (machine learning) has guessed
that it looks a bit suspicious and flagged it - Ok that happens,
but say that, don't say absolutely that a known malicious
software has been found.

It took a day or so to fix Defender's virus list and have
NVDARemote cleared, so I expect it will probably be within about
the same timeline this time around. Apologies for the
inconvenience.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: My Seika Touchme5 no longer works with NVDA

Cordelia Scharpf
 

Hi, Ollie:

A search on the Internet for "patch" or "driver" for your Braille display and NVDA might expedite it. If there is nothing, then contacting them would be more than necessary as this is an urgent matter.

May I contact you offlist about Linux-related queries?

Cordially,
Cordelia

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2020 12:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] My Seika Touchme5 no longer works with NVDA

Hello Cordelia,


Thanks. I'lltry and contact them, but I had no luck a couple of years
ago about some other issue I had, so I'm afraid it's goingto be a bit of
a waste of time.


Touchme5 works great in Linux, so I might try and see if installing
BRLTTY for Windows solvesthe problem, at least temorarily.


Take care,

Ollie




On 07/02/2020 22:50, Cordelia Scharpf wrote:
Hi, Ollie:

I don't know/use the Seika Braile display. However, you might ask its manufacturer if they have released a new patch that would be compatible with the new NVDA software. If they have not done so yet, it is high time to alert them of this problem and see it fixed.

Best of luck,
Cordelia


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2020 10:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] My Seika Touchme5 no longer works with NVDA


Hello all,


I'm using NVDA Alphas. For qite some time now, my Seika Touchme5 no
longer works as expected.

I'm unable to scroll horizontally, whetehr I set it to Automatic or Seika.


Are tehre any tips to make this work?


I have to use an old and battered pm 40 by freedom Scientific, which has
a number of cells with dots that either don't come up or don't go down
when needed. This makes it really difficult to read in different languages.


thanks for any help ou can provide.


Ciao,

Ollie







Re: Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

 

Just about every antimalware program has this false positive.

Kaspersky and a few others are supposed to be better.

Anyway what I actually said was that these programs at least some of them detect more false than well who knows.

I have never got a virus in the last 10 years but I have got a lot of false alarms.

Not sure about win8 etc, but yes you can exclude stuff you know is not a problem.

It would be good actually if you excluded the file you could report all your excluded files to the maker like microsoft and for each you could state what it was, etc and maybe get support on it.

The issue I have and maybe others, is that while some of the stuff we know about, I spend more time stopping false alarms than actual viruses.

I am not sure if thats a good or bad thing but its certainly stopped me from getting any serious security software.

If windows defender and malwarebytes cause this much trouble with a false positive, then I really don't want to know what a really good antivirus will say.

But basically everything on your system is a potential virus depending on the detections and stuff used.

And with the cloud based ai, I doubt that at the automated level there is much control.

If you tell them they will fix the issue but there is no reason to think it will stay fixed.

As a result all the false alarms make the display of the software noisy.

As I said, right now I have so many security holes in my computer caused by so many folder excludes that if it wasn't for ransomware, I have half a mind to exclude my entire hard drive or even disable the windows security subsystem.

However there is always the if factor so I don't.

I havn't run any full system scans in the last 10 years, and I havn't run any malware software in the last 5 years simply because of this issue.

With the so called inteligent stuff about bgt and maybe some older software excluded, it seems that every software package needs a security certification id or something and while it would be nice to get one, I do wander if I could get one myself for the purpose that the software I have is not a problem or something.

I know some say I am just unlucky, but on all my other systems with out blind games, blind software and blind accessible programs there are no trogens at all and that in itself is a concern, no excludes on any of my other systems yet.

Maybe I may exclude nvda just because I am concerned but still, maybe I have over excluded because of all this going on.

On 8/02/2020 7:18 pm, zahra wrote:
Shaun,
did i understand it correctly?
i think that antivirus programs especially microsoft products,
scan the entire system and maybe remove our necessary and important
files even maybe nvda or even other files including html, docx, audio
and video files?
i remember that in one of the iranian websites,
someone recorded a tutorial which explained how to exclude our desired
folders from scanning by deffender.
his tutorial was for windows ten.
does windows deffender on windows 8 and 8.1 does the same things, and
it may removes our essential and important files without worning or
informing us about this matter?

On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Yeah some of that software uses autoit and that is known to make viruses.

At any rate its clunkey and slow as a language so I wouldn't bother
using programs written in it but you should be able to exclude things.

Yeah when microsoft security etc cleans things it turns user account
control on at 33% by default.



On 8/02/2020 3:41 am, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Quenton,

In addition, I always have Defender set to update to the latest
version. I have had odd issues with it in the past. If you are
familiar with Steve's Clock, Defender flagged that consistently. Even
after I allowed it under Defender settings, every time Windows
updates, it flags it again. I had to go into the settings and
manually exempt the Steve's clock folder from Defender scans. Even
then, it always brings up User Account Control when I run it. It
never comes up in start up--even though I have it set to run at start
up. I have reported this to both the program developer and Microsoft
with no change. I am glad that this isn't happening with NVDA on my
system.


On 2/7/2020 1:00 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I believe this only affects Windows 10 at this stage? Perhaps
Rosemarie and Ron are using Windows 7? Or their Defender hasn't
updated to the latest definitions maybe?

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...
<mailto:aa2vm@...>> wrote:

Hi Group,

I also do not have this issue with RC3.


On 2/7/2020 12:28 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Quentin,

I'm not having this problem on my system. I'm using espeak but I
wonder if I should use something else just to be on the safe side.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:14 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Hi folks,

It was NVDARemote the other week, now it seems it's our turn for
Microsoft's random unfounded accusations. If you try to install
the release candidate of NVDA 2019.3, Windows Defender will
alert you it has found a trojan in eSpeak NG and blocked it.
The install of NVDA will fail.

As a workaround for now, you can create a portable copy of the
RC and that should run fine. You won't be able to use eSpeak NG.

NVDA 2019.2.1 installs and runs fine, even using eSpeak NG (it
uses a different build of eSpeak NG).

I am not sure whether this affects Windows 7 users as well. I
have reported it to Microsoft but I would encourage everyone
else to as well. To be honest, even aside from it being our
program affected, this really annoys me. Defender has NOT found
a trojan in eSpeak, its heuristic (machine learning) has guessed
that it looks a bit suspicious and flagged it - Ok that happens,
but say that, don't say absolutely that a known malicious
software has been found.

It took a day or so to fix Defender's virus list and have
NVDARemote cleared, so I expect it will probably be within about
the same timeline this time around. Apologies for the
inconvenience.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
--
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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

 

Shaun,
did i understand it correctly?
i think that antivirus programs especially microsoft products,
scan the entire system and maybe remove our necessary and important
files even maybe nvda or even other files including html, docx, audio
and video files?
i remember that in one of the iranian websites,
someone recorded a tutorial which explained how to exclude our desired
folders from scanning by deffender.
his tutorial was for windows ten.
does windows deffender on windows 8 and 8.1 does the same things, and
it may removes our essential and important files without worning or
informing us about this matter?

On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Yeah some of that software uses autoit and that is known to make viruses.

At any rate its clunkey and slow as a language so I wouldn't bother
using programs written in it but you should be able to exclude things.

Yeah when microsoft security etc cleans things it turns user account
control on at 33% by default.



On 8/02/2020 3:41 am, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Quenton,

In addition, I always have Defender set to update to the latest
version. I have had odd issues with it in the past. If you are
familiar with Steve's Clock, Defender flagged that consistently. Even
after I allowed it under Defender settings, every time Windows
updates, it flags it again. I had to go into the settings and
manually exempt the Steve's clock folder from Defender scans. Even
then, it always brings up User Account Control when I run it. It
never comes up in start up--even though I have it set to run at start
up. I have reported this to both the program developer and Microsoft
with no change. I am glad that this isn't happening with NVDA on my
system.


On 2/7/2020 1:00 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I believe this only affects Windows 10 at this stage? Perhaps
Rosemarie and Ron are using Windows 7? Or their Defender hasn't
updated to the latest definitions maybe?

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...
<mailto:aa2vm@...>> wrote:

Hi Group,

I also do not have this issue with RC3.


On 2/7/2020 12:28 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

I'm not having this problem on my system. I'm using espeak but I
wonder if I should use something else just to be on the safe side.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:14 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Hi folks,

It was NVDARemote the other week, now it seems it's our turn for
Microsoft's random unfounded accusations. If you try to install
the release candidate of NVDA 2019.3, Windows Defender will
alert you it has found a trojan in eSpeak NG and blocked it.
The install of NVDA will fail.

As a workaround for now, you can create a portable copy of the
RC and that should run fine. You won't be able to use eSpeak NG.

NVDA 2019.2.1 installs and runs fine, even using eSpeak NG (it
uses a different build of eSpeak NG).

I am not sure whether this affects Windows 7 users as well. I
have reported it to Microsoft but I would encourage everyone
else to as well. To be honest, even aside from it being our
program affected, this really annoys me. Defender has NOT found
a trojan in eSpeak, its heuristic (machine learning) has guessed
that it looks a bit suspicious and flagged it - Ok that happens,
but say that, don't say absolutely that a known malicious
software has been found.

It took a day or so to fix Defender's virus list and have
NVDARemote cleared, so I expect it will probably be within about
the same timeline this time around. Apologies for the
inconvenience.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"



--
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Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


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with all they contain
in order that
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by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
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Re: Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

 

Yeah some of that software uses autoit and that is known to make viruses.

At any rate its clunkey and slow as a language so I wouldn't bother using programs written in it but you should be able to exclude things.

Yeah when microsoft security etc cleans things it turns user account control on at 33% by default.



On 8/02/2020 3:41 am, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Quenton,

In addition, I always have Defender set to update to the latest version.  I have had odd issues with it in the past.  If you are familiar with Steve's Clock, Defender flagged that consistently.  Even after I allowed it under Defender settings, every time Windows updates, it flags it again.  I had to go into the settings and manually exempt the Steve's clock folder from Defender scans.  Even then, it always brings up User Account Control when I run it.  It never comes up in start up--even though I have it set to run at start up.  I have reported this to both the program developer and Microsoft with no change.  I  am glad that this isn't happening with NVDA on my system.


On 2/7/2020 1:00 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I believe this only affects Windows 10 at this stage?  Perhaps Rosemarie and Ron are using Windows 7?  Or their Defender hasn't updated to the latest definitions maybe?

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
Hi Group,

I also do not have this issue with RC3.


On 2/7/2020 12:28 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I'm not having this problem on my system. I'm using espeak but I wonder if I should use something else just to be on the safe side.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

 

Hi folks,

 

It was NVDARemote the other week, now it seems it's our turn for Microsoft's random unfounded accusations.  If you try to install the release candidate of NVDA 2019.3, Windows Defender will alert you it has found a trojan in eSpeak NG and blocked it.  The install of NVDA will fail.

 

As a workaround for now, you can create a portable copy of the RC and that should run fine.  You won't be able to use eSpeak NG.

 

NVDA 2019.2.1 installs and runs fine, even using eSpeak NG (it uses a different build of eSpeak NG).

 

I am not sure whether this affects Windows 7 users as well.  I have reported it to Microsoft but I would encourage everyone else to as well.  To be honest, even aside from it being our program affected, this really annoys me.  Defender has NOT found a trojan in eSpeak, its heuristic (machine learning) has guessed that it looks a bit suspicious and flagged it - Ok that happens, but say that, don't say absolutely that a known malicious software has been found.

 

It took a day or so to fix Defender's virus list and have NVDARemote cleared, so I expect it will probably be within about the same timeline this time around.  Apologies for the inconvenience.

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

 


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

 

I don't mind the occasional false positive, but here is the thing.

The following programs are currently trogens.

Virtual recorder, ok so I could use something else but I like it.

Textpal and all the older empowermentzone programs but some have been updated.

All bgt games, we sort of know why so maybe I will cut them a little slack with this one except that you need to do the same excludes to malwarebytes.

Some gmagames, and vb6 games, why is unknown.

The bsc stuff.


Yeah I know half of this is really old software but still.

That list is not huge but its enough for me not to trust things.

Now its expanded to nvda and who knows what else.

Its like the story about that boy that cried wolf.

I no longer believe that what my antivirus software is telling me is true.

So I just exclude the file.

I in fact have a different downloads folder for stuff that doesn't run nicely.

Here is the thing, any certified software seems to have a good time with it, that includes microsoft's own software.

Everything else has the potential to be wrongly recognised as something.

In the beginning I could trust the programs I used, a few of my friends and I have the same issue, true, some of my friends take risks I do not.

Sadly how to know if it is or not is unknown.

To put it bluntly now I know that a lot of stuff is targeted it tends to make my scanner very noisy.

I know that at least 100 files and folders on my drive will be misdetected.

I have had it where documents and some audio is a virus, granted those files didn't work and I replaced them so who knows, however, not much to tell if I have this noise.

Otherwise I actually agree with you in fact thats what it was like from 2000-2010 or there abouts.

Suddenly stuff that worked no longer worked.

Its the inconsistancy I just do not understand or in fact like.

I agree at least I don't get a misdetection of an actual virus, but how would I know.

Every time I get a new program, its either a trogen because the virus checker says it is or its not.

Bgt stuff with their packed files are always false so I exclude them once I have the structure of the files.

Its why a lot of devs are moving to python probably helped by the fact nvda is written in it and everyone wants to see what it can do.

To be honest the only thing one can use is virustotal and I really wish I could have virustotal as my virus scanner of choice and protection system because it uses more than 1 source.

With fibre and the like it should be possible.

I have also had inconsistancies with scanners and with some scans.

Ie its protection scan says its not but its shield says it is.

Its not happened to me but I don't take risks, I do know people on some of my networks who need to make sure they always have a backup.

If something goes down and you don't know, system doesn't reboot, so you just make it boot and you know what I mean.

Point is, if my scanner of choice is so noisy, I'm going to have to do something about it.

That means excluding the programs from being scanned.

If I was a hacker, my first port of call would be the exclude list and see what is excluded and oh dear, there you go.

I don't have my backup drives on all day long but still.

Its a pitty there is no actual exclusion list for certain things, obviously a universal one would be to huge but, still.

There is of course the tear it all down and build it back up approach but its just about the only approach if it really goes.

I could say its not good enough but there you go.

Round and round and round we will go till one of us stops.

This topic and rant has graced many lists and forums, my blog, the blog a tech friend and I use and others.

The solution is that there isn't exactly one that really works we just have to keep dodging bullets and hoping we don't screw something up by excluding the wrong folder.

I for example will probably keep old nvda about so at least things will work and exclude it from being scanned just in case.

But its a poor solution.

I think its supposed to be fixed so lets hope it is.



On 8/02/2020 3:23 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 05:04 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
If it wants to flag them as "suspicious because XYZ" (and give reasoning) that's one thing, but don't categorically assert it's a virus when you don't know that.
 
If they were to do that, many would ignore the warning (if they could).   This happens.  It will always happen.  Organizations such as NVAccess report (as do users) and it gets resolved.  The system isn't perfect, but I'd prefer the occasional false positive to a single false negative.

Someone such as yourself, Quentin, certainly knows that error messages of any sort are not typically very refined in what they present.  Ideally, they'd be a lot more descriptive and accurate, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Alpine and Pico (fwd)

Tyler Spivey
 

It takes about a minute of trying alpine to realize I can navigate in flat review sometimes, but moving to the bottom does something weird and puts me back at the top. And this time, flat review didn't work.


My guess is it's using an API that NVDA doesn't support in flat review, or it's being used weirdly so NVDA has a hard time picking it up.


The best course of action from here would be to report it as an issue on the NVDA tracker. Noone can do anything about it unless they know about it.

On 2/7/2020 3:01 PM, Jason White via Groups.Io wrote:

If you can run it in a terminal, the recently improved console support for NVDA (coming in 2019.3) may make the experience better.

 

I haven’t used Pine/Alpine for a very long time indeed. At some point I switched to Mutt, and found it to be preferable – at least as a text-based email client.

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Arlene <nedster66@...>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Friday, February 7, 2020 at 12:59
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] 3rd Request for Assistance

 

Not sure if they made any developments for windows. I know it is or still is used for Linux.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: February 7, 2020 9:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] 3rd Request for Assistance

 

How well does Alpine work for Windows?  I believe I tried it and its

predecessor Pine and it wasn't very accessible.

 

 

 

On 2/7/2020 12:31 PM, Christopher Gray wrote:

> Hi and thanks for the response.

> I am using it on Windows 7 and Windows 10 on two different computers. 

> Alpine version is 2.20.

> I invoke Alpine from the Windows command line and not through a

> terminal program.

> Chris

> On Fri, 7 Feb 2020, Tyler Spivey via Groups.Io wrote:

>> What version of alpine are you running, on what operating system? Are

>> you using it through a terminal program or native?

>> 

>> 

>> On 2/7/2020 9:12 AM, Christopher Gray wrote:

>>>  Hi:

>>> 

>>>  I've asked for some assistance about the issue below twice now,

>>> once last

>>>  June, again Wednesday.  If there is a better list or means of

>>> asking than

>>>  this list, just let me know that.

>>> 

>>>  I could be wrong but this really shouldn't be a difficult issue to

>>>  diagnose. Alpine and Pico both worked quite well with Cobra and

>>>  Window-Eyes.

>>> 

>>>  Chris

>>> 

>>>  ---------- Forwarded message ----------

>>>  Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 16:52:30 +0000

>>>  From: Christopher Gray via Groups.Io <chris@...>

>>>  Reply-To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>>  To: NVDA Mailing List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>>  Subject: [nvda] Alpine and Pico (fwd)

>>> 

>>>  Hello:

>>> 

>>>  I brought up the issue below last June but aside from some related

>>>  discussion never got anywhere about using this software on Windows

>>> with

>>>  NVDA.  I really need some assistance with this issue to make a full

>>>  transition to NVDA.

>>> 

>>>  Software is alpine for Windows and Pico, also for Windows. It is not

>>>  exactly that the software doesn't work at all, but it only partly

>>> works.

>>>  For example, in editing a message, I can usually get speech in the

>>> text,

>>>  but there is no braille.  Sometimes while editing, when I move down

>>> line

>>>  by line I get no text, but I do get text moving up line by line after

>>>  moving down.  In the menu of messages, I can't see the messages at

>>> all.

>>> 

>>>  Thanks.

>>> 

>>>  Chris

>>> 

>>>  ---------- Forwarded message ----------

>>>  Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 17:33:26 +0000

>>>  From: Christopher Gray via Groups.Io <chris@...>

>>>  Reply-To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>>  To: NVDA Mailing List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>>  Subject: [nvda] Alpine and Pico

>>> 

>>>  Hi:

>>> 

>>>  I use two fairly old pieces of software:  the Alpine email client; the

>>>  Pico text

>>>  editor.  Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to get this

>>> software to

>>>  work

>>>  with NVDA.  It only shows a blank screen for me.

>>> 

>>>  Pico is particularly portable and I'm betting that the two programs

>>> have

>>>  the

>>>  same screen issues since they were written by the same source.  I

>>> haven't

>>>  attached it here but sending it via email should be very simple.

>>> 

>>>  Is there a way I can try to diagnose this?  Or, might somebody be

>>> willing

>>>  to

>>>  look at this who knows more about thwat they are doing?

>>> 

>>>  Many thanks.

>>> 

>>>  Chris

>>> 

>>> 

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Re: My Seika Touchme5 no longer works with NVDA

Mallard
 

Hello Cordelia,


Thanks. I'lltry and contact them, but I had no luck a couple of years ago about some other issue I had, so I'm afraid it's goingto be a bit of a waste of time.


Touchme5 works great in Linux, so I might try and see if installing BRLTTY for Windows solvesthe problem, at least temorarily.


Take care,

Ollie

On 07/02/2020 22:50, Cordelia Scharpf wrote:
Hi, Ollie:

I don't know/use the Seika Braile display. However, you might ask its manufacturer if they have released a new patch that would be compatible with the new NVDA software. If they have not done so yet, it is high time to alert them of this problem and see it fixed.

Best of luck,
Cordelia


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2020 10:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] My Seika Touchme5 no longer works with NVDA


Hello all,


I'm using NVDA Alphas. For qite some time now, my Seika Touchme5 no
longer works as expected.

I'm unable to scroll horizontally, whetehr I set it to Automatic or Seika.


Are tehre any tips to make this work?


I have to use an old and battered pm 40 by freedom Scientific, which has
a number of cells with dots that either don't come up or don't go down
when needed. This makes it really difficult to read in different languages.


thanks for any help ou can provide.


Ciao,

Ollie






Re: Alpine and Pico (fwd)

Jason White
 

If you can run it in a terminal, the recently improved console support for NVDA (coming in 2019.3) may make the experience better.

 

I haven’t used Pine/Alpine for a very long time indeed. At some point I switched to Mutt, and found it to be preferable – at least as a text-based email client.

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Arlene <nedster66@...>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Friday, February 7, 2020 at 12:59
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] 3rd Request for Assistance

 

Not sure if they made any developments for windows. I know it is or still is used for Linux.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: February 7, 2020 9:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] 3rd Request for Assistance

 

How well does Alpine work for Windows?  I believe I tried it and its

predecessor Pine and it wasn't very accessible.

 

 

 

On 2/7/2020 12:31 PM, Christopher Gray wrote:

> Hi and thanks for the response.

> I am using it on Windows 7 and Windows 10 on two different computers. 

> Alpine version is 2.20.

> I invoke Alpine from the Windows command line and not through a

> terminal program.

> Chris

> On Fri, 7 Feb 2020, Tyler Spivey via Groups.Io wrote:

>> What version of alpine are you running, on what operating system? Are

>> you using it through a terminal program or native?

>> 

>> 

>> On 2/7/2020 9:12 AM, Christopher Gray wrote:

>>>  Hi:

>>> 

>>>  I've asked for some assistance about the issue below twice now,

>>> once last

>>>  June, again Wednesday.  If there is a better list or means of

>>> asking than

>>>  this list, just let me know that.

>>> 

>>>  I could be wrong but this really shouldn't be a difficult issue to

>>>  diagnose. Alpine and Pico both worked quite well with Cobra and

>>>  Window-Eyes.

>>> 

>>>  Chris

>>> 

>>>  ---------- Forwarded message ----------

>>>  Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 16:52:30 +0000

>>>  From: Christopher Gray via Groups.Io <chris@...>

>>>  Reply-To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>>  To: NVDA Mailing List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>>  Subject: [nvda] Alpine and Pico (fwd)

>>> 

>>>  Hello:

>>> 

>>>  I brought up the issue below last June but aside from some related

>>>  discussion never got anywhere about using this software on Windows

>>> with

>>>  NVDA.  I really need some assistance with this issue to make a full

>>>  transition to NVDA.

>>> 

>>>  Software is alpine for Windows and Pico, also for Windows. It is not

>>>  exactly that the software doesn't work at all, but it only partly

>>> works.

>>>  For example, in editing a message, I can usually get speech in the

>>> text,

>>>  but there is no braille.  Sometimes while editing, when I move down

>>> line

>>>  by line I get no text, but I do get text moving up line by line after

>>>  moving down.  In the menu of messages, I can't see the messages at

>>> all.

>>> 

>>>  Thanks.

>>> 

>>>  Chris

>>> 

>>>  ---------- Forwarded message ----------

>>>  Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 17:33:26 +0000

>>>  From: Christopher Gray via Groups.Io <chris@...>

>>>  Reply-To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>>  To: NVDA Mailing List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>>  Subject: [nvda] Alpine and Pico

>>> 

>>>  Hi:

>>> 

>>>  I use two fairly old pieces of software:  the Alpine email client; the

>>>  Pico text

>>>  editor.  Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to get this

>>> software to

>>>  work

>>>  with NVDA.  It only shows a blank screen for me.

>>> 

>>>  Pico is particularly portable and I'm betting that the two programs

>>> have

>>>  the

>>>  same screen issues since they were written by the same source.  I

>>> haven't

>>>  attached it here but sending it via email should be very simple.

>>> 

>>>  Is there a way I can try to diagnose this?  Or, might somebody be

>>> willing

>>>  to

>>>  look at this who knows more about thwat they are doing?

>>> 

>>>  Many thanks.

>>> 

>>>  Chris

>>> 

>>> 

>>>  ****************************************

>>>  Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri

>>> Council

>>>  of the Blind in

>>>  your Will or Estate Plan?  Contact me as shown below and I can help

>>> you

>>>  with this.

>>> 

>>>  ----------------------------------------

>>>  Christopher Gray, Executive Director

>>>  Missouri Council of the Blind

>>> 

>>>  5453 Chippewa

>>>  St. Louis, MO 63109

>>>  Phone:     (314) 832-7172

>>>  Toll-free: (800) 342-5632

>>>  Fax:       (314) 832-7796

>>> 

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>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> ****************************************

> Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri

> Council of the Blind in

> your Will or Estate Plan?  Contact me as shown below and I can help

> you with this.

> ----------------------------------------

> Christopher Gray, Executive Director

> Missouri Council of the Blind

> 5453 Chippewa

> St. Louis, MO 63109

> Phone:     (314) 832-7172

> Toll-free: (800) 342-5632

> Fax:       (314) 832-7796

> Like Jazz?  Want to know more about jazz?

> Tune into "A Journey into Jazz" with the Jazz Guys on the Global

> Voice, Chris and Don.

> Listen live each Wednesday at 00:00 Utc, 7:00 P.M. Eastern, 4:00 P.M.

> Pacific

> Find us by going to theglobalvoice.info/broadband.pls.

> Can't listen live? go to theglobalvoice.info and choose the "Listen to

> Past Shows" link any time during the week after each live broadcast.

> You can also go to the link www.jazzguys.libsyn.com for the podcasts!

> Or, subscribe to us through iTunes or TuneIn Radio.

>

 

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Re: My Seika Touchme5 no longer works with NVDA

Cordelia Scharpf
 

Hi, Ollie:

I don't know/use the Seika Braile display. However, you might ask its manufacturer if they have released a new patch that would be compatible with the new NVDA software. If they have not done so yet, it is high time to alert them of this problem and see it fixed.

Best of luck,
Cordelia

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2020 10:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] My Seika Touchme5 no longer works with NVDA


Hello all,


I'm using NVDA Alphas. For qite some time now, my Seika Touchme5 no
longer works as expected.

I'm unable to scroll horizontally, whetehr I set it to Automatic or Seika.


Are tehre any tips to make this work?


I have to use an old and battered pm 40 by freedom Scientific, which has
a number of cells with dots that either don't come up or don't go down
when needed. This makes it really difficult to read in different languages.


thanks for any help ou can provide.


Ciao,

Ollie


My Seika Touchme5 no longer works with NVDA

Mallard
 

Hello all,


I'm using NVDA Alphas. For qite some time now, my Seika Touchme5 no longer works as expected.

I'm unable to scroll horizontally, whetehr I set it to Automatic or Seika.


Are tehre any tips to make this work?


I have to use an old and battered pm 40 by freedom Scientific, which has a number of cells with dots that either don't come up or don't go down when needed. This makes it really difficult to read in different languages.


thanks for any help ou can provide.


Ciao,

Ollie


Re: Alpine and Pico (fwd)

Dan Beaver
 

Maybe none of us have any experience with them?  I tend not to answer if I know nothing about a subject.  Not meaning to ignore just nothing to contribute.


Dan Beaver

On 2/7/2020 12:12 PM, Christopher Gray wrote:
Hi:

I've asked for some assistance about the issue below twice now, once last June, again Wednesday.  If there is a better list or means of asking than this list, just let me know that.

I could be wrong but this really shouldn't be a difficult issue to diagnose. Alpine and Pico both worked quite well with Cobra and Window-Eyes.

Chris

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 16:52:30 +0000
From: Christopher Gray via Groups.Io <chris@...>
Reply-To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
To: NVDA Mailing List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Alpine and Pico (fwd)

Hello:

I brought up the issue below last June but aside from some related discussion never got anywhere about using this software on Windows with NVDA.  I really need some assistance with this issue to make a full transition to NVDA.

Software is alpine for Windows and Pico, also for Windows.  It is not exactly that the software doesn't work at all, but it only partly works.  For example, in editing a message, I can usually get speech in the text, but there is no braille.  Sometimes while editing, when I move down line by line I get no text, but I do get text moving up line by line after moving down.  In the menu of messages, I can't see the messages at all.

Thanks.

Chris

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 17:33:26 +0000
From: Christopher Gray via Groups.Io <chris@...>
Reply-To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
To: NVDA Mailing List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Alpine and Pico

Hi:

I use two fairly old pieces of software:  the Alpine email client; the Pico text
editor.  Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to get this software to work
with NVDA.  It only shows a blank screen for me.

Pico is particularly portable and I'm betting that the two programs have the
same screen issues since they were written by the same source.  I haven't
attached it here but sending it via email should be very simple.

Is there a way I can try to diagnose this?  Or, might somebody be willing to
look at this who knows more about thwat they are doing?

Many thanks.

Chris


****************************************
Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri Council of the Blind in
your Will or Estate Plan?  Contact me as shown below and I can help you with this.

----------------------------------------
Christopher Gray, Executive Director
Missouri Council of the Blind

5453 Chippewa
St. Louis, MO 63109
Phone:     (314) 832-7172
Toll-free: (800) 342-5632
Fax:       (314) 832-7796

Like Jazz?  Want to know more about jazz?
Tune into "A Journey into Jazz" with the Jazz Guys on the Global Voice, Chris and Don.
Listen live each Wednesday at 00:00 Utc, 7:00 P.M. Eastern, 4:00 P.M. Pacific
Find us by going to theglobalvoice.info/broadband.pls.
Can't listen live? go to theglobalvoice.info and choose the "Listen to
Past Shows" link any time during the week after each live broadcast.
You can also go to the link www.jazzguys.libsyn.com for the podcasts!
Or, subscribe to us through iTunes or TuneIn Radio.










-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: NVDA not coming on when I start the computer

Arlene
 

Betsy, here’s a tip I can give you. If NVDA doesn’t start up like it should. You start it up. Then go to where you create your hot key. If it’s unchecked. Then check it again. Then restart the computer and if it starts up like it should. You are in the chips.  Or you can unload NVDA and reload it using the hot key.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: February 7, 2020 7:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not coming on when I start the computer

 

Until the latest update, NVDA would start speaking as soon as it is

loaded once the laptop is completely on. Now I seem to have to do the

command as if I was wanting to restart NVDA.  I do not know how else to

explain this.

 

 

On 2/7/2020 9:34 AM, Vaibhav Bhandari wrote:

> Could you explain further what did you mean by "Your laptop is no

> longer coming up with speech with the latest update of NVDA?" I was

> unable to understand the problem.

> On 2/7/20, Betsy Grenevitch <blindangel61@...> wrote:

>> I believe I remember this topic coming up recently but must have missed

>> the response. My laptop is no longer coming up with speech with the

>> latest update of NVDA. I am wondering if Microsoft Teams is the problem

>> but do not know how to get rid of that program or what it is even for.

>> It started coming up when I started using Windows 10. Are there any

>> solutions to getting rid of it and if that is not causing the problem

>> what can I do to fix NVDA not coning up on its own.

>> 

>> 

>> Thanks so much. At least there is a workaround by restarting NVDA but I

>> know it should not work this way.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> --

>> Betsy Grenevitch

>> 678-862-3876

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

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