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Re: NVDA has Acquired a new, and somewhat annoying Feature

Quentin Christensen
 

Is there something new in the Thunderbird betas perhaps?  I just tried with alpha-19867,54f1b727 on Thunderbird 68.6.0 32-bit (the latest regular version?) and it read as normal, so it looks like it's something changed in Thunderbird, and might be worth contacting Mozilla perhaps?  Does it do the same thing if you use NVDA 2019.3.1?  I didn't notice a difference in Thunderbird 68.6, but if you could provide exact steps to repeat and exactly what superfluous information is being read I can double check.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 1:31 AM Betsy Grenevitch <blindangel61@...> wrote:
I am having the same problem and it definitely interrupts the reading of
email.



On 3/31/2020 5:17 PM, Governor staten wrote:
> Hello, everyone. I'm using Thunderbird 75 beta 2 64 bit with the
> latest NVDA Alpha. As of a few days ago, the reading of certain
> processes in Thunderbird is being done. However, it is way too
> verbose. Sometimes it reads pieces of text and letters. I wish I knew
> what this was and how to modify it, or turn it off.
>
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--
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876






--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Some 2019.3 questions

Clement Chou
 

Thank you Quentin! I did figure third party voices needed updating
themselves, I was specificaly dealing with Windows one core voices.
Thanks or answering all the questions!

On 4/1/20, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi Clement,

1) Speech History is the new version of Clip Copy:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/speech_history.en.html

2) The supported version for Switch Synth isn't listed on
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/switchSynth.en.html however,
according to the list of add-ons and python 3 compatibility:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/nvdapy3.en.html it is listed as
being compatible.

3) Ok you've asked three questions here!

3a) I don't know for sure, but at a guess, some of the OneCore voices were
likely based off previous SAPI5 voices, which would explain the two
versions - otherwise, I'm not sure, you could ask Microsoft?

3b) auto language switching is a thing but it relies on the document
advising of the language / language changes - that might explain why it
works in some documents and not others?

3c) Updating voices - we update to newer builds of eSpeak-NG periodically,
so one version of NVDA might (but not always) use a newer build than the
previous version. For Windows OneCore voices, I expect Microsoft updates
those themselves - whether they get pushed out invisibly, or as part of
Windows updates, I'm not sure. For other voices (eg Eloquence or Acapela),
they do get updated from time to time, you'll need to follow their
retailers for updates.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 12:10 AM Clement Chou <chou.clement@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hey all. Just updatd to NVDA 2019.3 this morning, and have some
various questions about different things I was hoping I could gethelp
with.

1. Is there an addon that will allow me to copy the last thing NVDA
reported to the clipboard? Clip Copy used to be my addon of choice,
but as of late it's no longer compatible.
2. Switch Synthe: This addon used to allow me to save multiple
configurations of the same synthesizer for example, when different
languages were required. But that is also gone in the latest version
of the addon. Is there an alternative?
3. Lastly, this isn't necessarily an NVDA question but more some
Windows one core voices questions. IS there a reason some of them show
up in SAPI 5 voice lists and others don't? Also, is auto language
switching a thing? It seems to work very spiratically. And lastly, is
there a need and method o update the voices or anything of that sort?

Thanks!



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Training and Support Manager

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Re: Some 2019.3 questions

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Clement,

1) Speech History is the new version of Clip Copy: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/speech_history.en.html

2) The supported version for Switch Synth isn't listed on https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/switchSynth.en.html however, according to the list of add-ons and python 3 compatibility: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/nvdapy3.en.html it is listed as being compatible.

3) Ok you've asked three questions here!

3a) I don't know for sure, but at a guess, some of the OneCore voices were likely based off previous SAPI5 voices, which would explain the two versions - otherwise, I'm not sure, you could ask Microsoft?

3b) auto language switching is a thing but it relies on the document advising of the language / language changes - that might explain why it works in some documents and not others?

3c) Updating voices - we update to newer builds of eSpeak-NG periodically, so one version of NVDA might (but not always) use a newer build than the previous version.  For Windows OneCore voices, I expect Microsoft updates those themselves - whether they get pushed out invisibly, or as part of Windows updates, I'm not sure.  For other voices (eg Eloquence or Acapela), they do get updated from time to time, you'll need to follow their retailers for updates.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 12:10 AM Clement Chou <chou.clement@...> wrote:
Hey all. Just updatd to NVDA 2019.3 this morning, and have some
various questions about different things I was hoping I could gethelp
with.

1. Is there an addon that will allow me to copy the last thing NVDA
reported to the clipboard? Clip Copy used to be my addon of choice,
but as of late it's no longer compatible.
2. Switch Synthe: This addon used to allow me to save multiple
configurations of the same synthesizer for example, when different
languages were required. But that is also gone in the latest version
of the addon. Is there an alternative?
3. Lastly, this isn't necessarily an NVDA question but more some
Windows one core voices questions. IS there a reason some of them show
up in SAPI 5 voice lists and others don't? Also, is auto language
switching a thing? It seems to work very spiratically. And lastly, is
there a need and method o update the voices or anything of that sort?

Thanks!





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Does nvda work with Microsoft teams?

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Kerryn,

Here is Microsoft's page with their shortcuts for Teams:


Kind regards

Quentin. 


On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 11:11 PM Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:
can u share the short cut keys?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Vincent van Itallie" <vincent@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does nvda work with Microsoft teams?


> It works,
>
> I use it all the time with NVDA.
>
>
> Teams has a handy list of keyboardshortcut keys just try and see where
> you find opstacles, akross trying.
>
>
> On 4/1/2020 6:16 AM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
>> hi guys
>>
>>
>> I do not use the above program for work etc but have been asked by a
>> adaptive tech person how well NVDA works with this program.
>>
>>
>> Has any one used it on this list? Does it work well with nvda is there
>> any qwerks?
>>
>>
>> Any feed back would be good to feed back to them.
>>
>>
>> Gene nz
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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: NVDA with updated Windows Essentials

 

Hi,
Before we get into debugging things, can you try running with add-ons disabled (press NVDA+Q, select "restart with add-ons disabled") and see if NVDA slows down?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 4:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA with updated Windows Essentials

Joseph, I do not know the command for "debug lockdown". I will gladly do that for you if you can give me the command because the latest update on either Thunderbird or something else has definitely caused the program to be sluggish.



Thanks so much for all you do. I am definitely hoping to donate to NV Access some time this year.



On 4/1/2020 12:29 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Is this the case for people using old Thunderbird releases? If not, this might be something to do with TB 75. To better understand this though, I need a debug log (restart NVDA with debug logging enabled, use Thunderbird, as soon as you hear "message deleted", press NVDA+F1 to open log viewer, copy and paste everything as a private email to me as debug log will give you all sorts of information such as keys you've pressed).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Grossoehme
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA with updated Windows Essentials

Good Morning: Has anybody else noticed a change in Thunderbird after making the most update of Windows Essentials? . This would be version
20.04 with NVDA 1903. This problem occurs on an insider version of windows, so, it might make a difference. When in thunderbird I hear that one message has been deleted, when deleting a message before going on to read the next message.

Dave







--
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876


Re: NVDA with updated Windows Essentials

Betsy Grenevitch
 

Joseph, I do not know the command for "debug lockdown". I will gladly do that for you if you can give me the command because the latest update on either Thunderbird or something else has definitely caused the program to be sluggish.



Thanks so much for all you do. I am definitely hoping to donate to NV Access some time this year.

On 4/1/2020 12:29 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Is this the case for people using old Thunderbird releases? If not, this might be something to do with TB 75. To better understand this though, I need a debug log (restart NVDA with debug logging enabled, use Thunderbird, as soon as you hear "message deleted", press NVDA+F1 to open log viewer, copy and paste everything as a private email to me as debug log will give you all sorts of information such as keys you've pressed).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Grossoehme
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA with updated Windows Essentials

Good Morning: Has anybody else noticed a change in Thunderbird after making the most update of Windows Essentials? . This would be version
20.04 with NVDA 1903. This problem occurs on an insider version of windows, so, it might make a difference. When in thunderbird I hear that one message has been deleted, when deleting a message before going on to read the next message.

Dave






--
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876


Tony's enhancement add on.

 
Edited

This was just posted on the community add ons site so I thought that I would share it here.

random aside, The mods can add the NV Access and NVDA community add on RSS feeds to this group if they wish, but below is the page.

This add on has a lot of enhancements bundled into 1 add on so it would be best to just read the add on description.

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/tonysEnhancements.en.html

• Authors: Tony Malykh

• Download stable version

• NVDA compatibility: 2019.3

This add-on contains a number of small improvements to NVDA screen reader, each of them too small to deserve a separate add-on.

This add-on is only compatible with NVDA versions 2019.3 and above.

Enhanced table navigation commands

• Control+Alt+Home/End - jump to the first/last column in the table. • Control+Alt+PageUp/PageDown - jump to the first/last row in the table. • NVDA+Control+digit - jump to 1st/2nd/3rd/... 10th column in the table. • NVDA+Alt+digit - jump to 1st/2nd/3rd/... 10th row in the table. • NVDA+Shift+DownArrow - read current column in the table starting from current cell down.

Dynamic keystrokes

You can assign certain keystrokes to be dynamic. After issuing such a keystroke, NVDA will be checking currently focused window for any updates and if the line is updated, NVDA will speak it automatically. For example, certain keystrokes in text editors should be marked dynamic, such as Jump to bookmark, jump to another line and debugging keystrokes,such as step into/step over. The format of dynamic keystrokes table is simple: every line contains a rule in the following format: appName keystroke where appName is the name of the application where this keystroke is marked dynamic (or * to b marked dynamic in all applications), andkeystroke is a keystroke in NVDA format, for example, control+alt+shift+pagedown.

Real-time console output

This option is disabled by default and must be enabled in the settings.

This option makes NVDA to speak new lines immediately as they appear in console output, instead of queueing new speech utterances.

There is also an option to beep on command line updates - this would give you a better idea when new lines are printed in the console.

Beep when NVDA is busy

Check this option for NVDA to provide audio feedback when NVDA is busy. NVDA being busy does not necessarily indicate a problem with NVDA, but rather this is a signal to the user that any NVDA commands will not be processed immediately. NVDA volume • NVDA+Control+PageUp/PageDown - adjust NVDA volume. This option controls the volume of NVDA speech as well as all the other sounds and beeps produced by NVDA. The advantage of this option compared to adjusting volume of a speech synthesizer, is that it affects the volume of all the beeps proportionally. Blocking double insert keystroke In NVDA pressing Insert key twice in a row toggles insert mode in applications. However, sometimes it happens accidentally and it triggers insert mode. Since this is a special keystroke, it cannot be disabled in the settings. This add-on provides a way to block this keyboard shortcut. When double insert is blocked, insert mode can stil be toggled by pressing NVDA+F2 and then Insert. This option is disabled by default and must be enabled in the settings. Last edited Thu Apr 2 07:50:13 2020


Re: FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

Bernd Dorer
 

Hi Paul,

sorry, I didn't read everything on their homepage. You have to send them your contact information and they send you your data.
they write shortened:
For all visually impaired users that wish to add Acapela’s voices to their NVDA screen reader, we are offering a free 90-day access to our product, at no cost.
We are offering 3 months access to our Acapela NVDA TTS voices. Therefore, we are enlarging access to written information through text to speech to the visually impaired community.
Starting today, and valid for the duration of the Covid-19 crisis, all NVDA screen reader users can access Acapela’s digital voices for a three month period, at no charge.
To benefit from this offer, please send an email to: acapela-nvda-mobilization@... with your contact details and we will be pleased to provide you with your license information.

best regards

Bernd

Am 01.04.2020 um 22:02 schrieb P. Otter:

hi, i've red on the site it is only 14 days and not 90 days.
tell me what is true!
cheers
paul otter


Op 1-4-2020 om 21:20 schreef Lino Morales:

Well they haven’t emailed me back. Wonder if it’s a scam?

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 

From: Bernd Dorer
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

 

At the moment you don't need to send them any data, just use the voices

for 90 days, then you can buy them

 

 

HTH

Bernd

Am 01.04.2020 um 19:06 schrieb Gerardo Corripio:

> I just sent them my name, EMail, what version of NVDA AND WINDOWS10 I’m using. Let’s see if they write back with some other questions.

> Gera

> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

>> El 1 abr 2020, a la(s) 9:58 a.m., junior <tadeu.junior.tecladista@...> escribió:

>> 

>> What data are you asking us to send by email?

>> I didn't find them on the page, and I'm definitely willing to use the voices.

>> 

>> 

>> ***Enviado do Windows Live Mail***

>> 

>> WhatsApp/Telegram:

>> +5522998024703

>> 

>> E-mail:

>> tadeu.junior.tecladista@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> --------------------------------------------------

>> From: "Bernd Dorer" <bdorer+nvda@...>

>> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 10:24 AM

>> To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Subject: [nvda] FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

>> 

>>> Hi all,

>>> 

>>> see here: http://www.acapela-nvda.com/

>>> 

>>> Gruß Bernd

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 




Re: FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

Lino Morales
 

I read 90 days in plane English.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 

From: P. Otter
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 4:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

 

hi, i've red on the site it is only 14 days and not 90 days.
tell me what is true!
cheers
paul otter

Op 1-4-2020 om 21:20 schreef Lino Morales:

Well they haven’t emailed me back. Wonder if it’s a scam?

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 

From: Bernd Dorer
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

 

At the moment you don't need to send them any data, just use the voices

for 90 days, then you can buy them

 

 

HTH

Bernd

Am 01.04.2020 um 19:06 schrieb Gerardo Corripio:

> I just sent them my name, EMail, what version of NVDA AND WINDOWS10 I’m using. Let’s see if they write back with some other questions.

> Gera

> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

>> El 1 abr 2020, a la(s) 9:58 a.m., junior <tadeu.junior.tecladista@...> escribió:

>> 

>> What data are you asking us to send by email?

>> I didn't find them on the page, and I'm definitely willing to use the voices.

>> 

>> 

>> ***Enviado do Windows Live Mail***

>> 

>> WhatsApp/Telegram:

>> +5522998024703

>> 

>> E-mail:

>> tadeu.junior.tecladista@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> --------------------------------------------------

>> From: "Bernd Dorer" <bdorer+nvda@...>

>> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 10:24 AM

>> To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Subject: [nvda] FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

>> 

>>> Hi all,

>>> 

>>> see here: http://www.acapela-nvda.com/

>>> 

>>> Gruß Bernd

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

P. Otter
 

hi, i've red on the site it is only 14 days and not 90 days.
tell me what is true!
cheers
paul otter


Op 1-4-2020 om 21:20 schreef Lino Morales:

Well they haven’t emailed me back. Wonder if it’s a scam?

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 

From: Bernd Dorer
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

 

At the moment you don't need to send them any data, just use the voices

for 90 days, then you can buy them

 

 

HTH

Bernd

Am 01.04.2020 um 19:06 schrieb Gerardo Corripio:

> I just sent them my name, EMail, what version of NVDA AND WINDOWS10 I’m using. Let’s see if they write back with some other questions.

> Gera

> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

>> El 1 abr 2020, a la(s) 9:58 a.m., junior <tadeu.junior.tecladista@...> escribió:

>> 

>> What data are you asking us to send by email?

>> I didn't find them on the page, and I'm definitely willing to use the voices.

>> 

>> 

>> ***Enviado do Windows Live Mail***

>> 

>> WhatsApp/Telegram:

>> +5522998024703

>> 

>> E-mail:

>> tadeu.junior.tecladista@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> --------------------------------------------------

>> From: "Bernd Dorer" <bdorer+nvda@...>

>> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 10:24 AM

>> To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Subject: [nvda] FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

>> 

>>> Hi all,

>>> 

>>> see here: http://www.acapela-nvda.com/

>>> 

>>> Gruß Bernd

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 



Re: FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

Don H
 

I got my code from them. I find their voices not as good as the Code Factory Volizer voices. Of course this is totally my opinion.

On 4/1/2020 2:20 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
Well they haven’t emailed me back. Wonder if it’s a scam?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>; for Windows 10
*From: *Bernd Dorer <mailto:bdorer+nvda@mailbox.org>
*Sent: *Wednesday, April 1, 2020 3:19 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices
At the moment you don't need to send them any data, just use the voices
for 90 days, then you can buy them
HTH
Bernd
Am 01.04.2020 um 19:06 schrieb Gerardo Corripio:

> I just sent them my name, EMail, what version of NVDA AND WINDOWS10
I’m using. Let’s see if they write back with some other questions.

>

> Gera

> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

>

>> El 1 abr 2020, a la(s) 9:58 a.m., junior
<tadeu.junior.tecladista@gmail.com> escribió:

>>

>> What data are you asking us to send by email?

>> I didn't find them on the page, and I'm definitely willing to use
the voices.

>>

>>

>> ***Enviado do Windows Live Mail***

>>

>> WhatsApp/Telegram:

>> +5522998024703

>>

>> E-mail:

>> tadeu.junior.tecladista@gmail.com

>>

>>

>>

>> --------------------------------------------------

>> From: "Bernd Dorer" <bdorer+nvda@mailbox.org>

>> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 10:24 AM

>> To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Subject: [nvda] FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their
nvda voices

>>

>>> Hi all,

>>>

>>> see here: http://www.acapela-nvda.com/

>>>

>>> Gruß Bernd

>>>

>>

>>

>

>


Re: FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

Lino Morales
 

Well they haven’t emailed me back. Wonder if it’s a scam?

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 

From: Bernd Dorer
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

 

At the moment you don't need to send them any data, just use the voices

for 90 days, then you can buy them

 

 

HTH

Bernd

Am 01.04.2020 um 19:06 schrieb Gerardo Corripio:

> I just sent them my name, EMail, what version of NVDA AND WINDOWS10 I’m using. Let’s see if they write back with some other questions.

> Gera

> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

>> El 1 abr 2020, a la(s) 9:58 a.m., junior <tadeu.junior.tecladista@...> escribió:

>> 

>> What data are you asking us to send by email?

>> I didn't find them on the page, and I'm definitely willing to use the voices.

>> 

>> 

>> ***Enviado do Windows Live Mail***

>> 

>> WhatsApp/Telegram:

>> +5522998024703

>> 

>> E-mail:

>> tadeu.junior.tecladista@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> --------------------------------------------------

>> From: "Bernd Dorer" <bdorer+nvda@...>

>> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 10:24 AM

>> To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Subject: [nvda] FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

>> 

>>> Hi all,

>>> 

>>> see here: http://www.acapela-nvda.com/

>>> 

>>> Gruß Bernd

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 


Re: FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

Bernd Dorer
 

At the moment you don't need to send them any data, just use the voices for 90 days, then you can buy them


HTH
Bernd
Am 01.04.2020 um 19:06 schrieb Gerardo Corripio:

I just sent them my name, EMail, what version of NVDA AND WINDOWS10 I’m using. Let’s see if they write back with some other questions.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 1 abr 2020, a la(s) 9:58 a.m., junior <tadeu.junior.tecladista@gmail.com> escribió:

What data are you asking us to send by email?
I didn't find them on the page, and I'm definitely willing to use the voices.


***Enviado do Windows Live Mail***

WhatsApp/Telegram:
+5522998024703

E-mail:
tadeu.junior.tecladista@gmail.com



--------------------------------------------------
From: "Bernd Dorer" <bdorer+nvda@mailbox.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 10:24 AM
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

Hi all,

see here: http://www.acapela-nvda.com/

Gruß Bernd


Re: Combo Boxes Are Not Accessible

Patrick Le Baudour
 

Hi,

while not on a quantity combo, I also had a problem with some listboxes/comboboxes on french amazon. Turned out I had to refresh nvda display (nvda+F5) for the changes to be shown.

Also, on completely unrelated websites, i had the "pleasure" to deal with some javascript-based lists/combo, with non-standard behaviour, like only accepting clicks or/and return key pres, or having to press return for an item to be actually selected. Form input mode can even be a hindrance for those.
In those cases, I had to play around quite a bit, but there's usually a way.

-- Patrick

Le 01/04/2020 à 15:00, Howard Traxler a écrit :
I noticed on Amazon, when I try to increment the quantity of an item I'm purchasing, I can get it all the way to 10.  But when I try to close the box (I've tried any key combination I can think of) it will not close and retain my choice.
Howard


Re: FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

Gerardo Corripio
 

I just sent them my name, EMail, what version of NVDA AND WINDOWS10 I’m using. Let’s see if they write back with some other questions.

Gera
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El 1 abr 2020, a la(s) 9:58 a.m., junior <tadeu.junior.tecladista@gmail.com> escribió:

What data are you asking us to send by email?
I didn't find them on the page, and I'm definitely willing to use the voices.


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From: "Bernd Dorer" <bdorer+nvda@mailbox.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 10:24 AM
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

Hi all,

see here: http://www.acapela-nvda.com/

Gruß Bernd


Re: NVDA with updated Windows Essentials

 

Hi,
Is this the case for people using old Thunderbird releases? If not, this might be something to do with TB 75. To better understand this though, I need a debug log (restart NVDA with debug logging enabled, use Thunderbird, as soon as you hear "message deleted", press NVDA+F1 to open log viewer, copy and paste everything as a private email to me as debug log will give you all sorts of information such as keys you've pressed).
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Grossoehme
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA with updated Windows Essentials

Good Morning: Has anybody else noticed a change in Thunderbird after making the most update of Windows Essentials? . This would be version
20.04 with NVDA 1903. This problem occurs on an insider version of windows, so, it might make a difference. When in thunderbird I hear that one message has been deleted, when deleting a message before going on to read the next message.

Dave


Re: FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

junior <tadeu.junior.tecladista@...>
 

What data are you asking us to send by email?
I didn't find them on the page, and I'm definitely willing to use the voices.


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From: "Bernd Dorer" <bdorer+nvda@mailbox.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 10:24 AM
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

Hi all,

see here: http://www.acapela-nvda.com/

Gruß Bernd


NVDA with updated Windows Essentials

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Morning:  Has anybody else noticed a change in Thunderbird after making the most update of Windows Essentials?  .  This would be version 20.04 with NVDA 1903.  This problem occurs on an insider version of windows, so, it might make a difference.  When in thunderbird I hear that one message has been deleted, when deleting a message before going on to read the next message.

Dave


Re: Combo Boxes Are Not Accessible

 

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 11:27 AM, Gene wrote:
That is what real combo boxes are but I've almost never seen one. 
I find that hard to believe, but what I do believe is that screen readers probably call list boxes and combo boxes just list boxes.  Combo boxes have been a staple for decades now.  I remember teaching how to create ones for forms that would populate the choices dynamically based on a database query (of course, you could do the same for list boxes, too).  The difference between the two being that a list box forced a choice only from the dropdown list while a combo box supported typing either an existing list option or a brand new option that would then be added.

That's actually one of the problems with screen readers and with ongoing development trends, there is not a one-to-one correspondence with what a screen reader declares something to be and what it actually is.  And given the pace of changing web objects, there's no way any screen reader could keep pace with all of it - and some of these new things end up being dead ends and are dropped.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Combo Boxes Are Not Accessible

Gene
 

That is what real combo boxes are but I've almost never seen one.  The screen-readers I've used call list boxes combo boxes, thus leading to complete comfusion about the difference.  A list box requires you to move with the arrow keys or you can often use first letter navigation.  A combo box allows you to move with the arrow keys or type.  I don't know which the Amazon structure is.
 
Gene

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Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Combo Boxes Are Not Accessible
 
I don't know what, precisely, is being described by this "new combo box" but I have no doubt it exists.  If anyone finds a web address for a public-facing page that contains one please do share it (or them, if more than one).

But with regard to quantity combo boxes, your best bet generally is doing a Select All once you have focus and just typing in the quantity you want and tabbing out.  I have yet to see this fail (but I'm sure someone will, but it's worth trying).

The whole concept of a combo box was that it was a combination of a text edit box and a dropdown box, and you could either dropdown (or increment) to select a value or type one in as if it were a straight text edit box.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

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