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Re: Alpine and Pico (fwd)

Christopher Gray
 

Hi and thanks for the response.

I am using it on Windows 7 and Windows 10 on two different computers. Alpine version is 2.20.

I invoke Alpine from the Windows command line and not through a terminal program.

Chris

On Fri, 7 Feb 2020, Tyler Spivey via Groups.Io wrote:

What version of alpine are you running, on what operating system? Are you using it through a terminal program or native?


On 2/7/2020 9:12 AM, Christopher Gray wrote:
Hi:

I've asked for some assistance about the issue below twice now, once last
June, again Wednesday.  If there is a better list or means of asking than
this list, just let me know that.

I could be wrong but this really shouldn't be a difficult issue to
diagnose. Alpine and Pico both worked quite well with Cobra and
Window-Eyes.

Chris

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 16:52:30 +0000
From: Christopher Gray via Groups.Io <chris=moblind.org@groups.io>
Reply-To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
To: NVDA Mailing List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Alpine and Pico (fwd)

Hello:

I brought up the issue below last June but aside from some related
discussion never got anywhere about using this software on Windows with
NVDA.  I really need some assistance with this issue to make a full
transition to NVDA.

Software is alpine for Windows and Pico, also for Windows.  It is not
exactly that the software doesn't work at all, but it only partly works.
For example, in editing a message, I can usually get speech in the text,
but there is no braille.  Sometimes while editing, when I move down line
by line I get no text, but I do get text moving up line by line after
moving down.  In the menu of messages, I can't see the messages at all.

Thanks.

Chris

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 17:33:26 +0000
From: Christopher Gray via Groups.Io <chris=moblind.org@groups.io>
Reply-To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
To: NVDA Mailing List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Alpine and Pico

Hi:

I use two fairly old pieces of software:  the Alpine email client; the
Pico text
editor.  Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to get this software to
work
with NVDA.  It only shows a blank screen for me.

Pico is particularly portable and I'm betting that the two programs have
the
same screen issues since they were written by the same source.  I haven't
attached it here but sending it via email should be very simple.

Is there a way I can try to diagnose this?  Or, might somebody be willing
to
look at this who knows more about thwat they are doing?

Many thanks.

Chris

****************************************
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of the Blind in
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Missouri Council of the Blind

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St. Louis, MO 63109
Phone:     (314) 832-7172
Toll-free: (800) 342-5632
Fax:       (314) 832-7796

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your Will or Estate Plan? Contact me as shown below and I can help you with this.

----------------------------------------
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Missouri Council of the Blind

5453 Chippewa
St. Louis, MO 63109
Phone: (314) 832-7172
Toll-free: (800) 342-5632
Fax: (314) 832-7796

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Re: Alpine and Pico (fwd)

John Isige
 

Are those even used on unix systems anymore? I thought the email program
was something else. In any case, have you tried Microsoft's Windows
Subsystem for Linux? There are quite a few flavors. I haven't tried
running either under it so I don't know if it would work any better, but
that would be what I'd check. You need Windows 10 for the WSL though.
But if you have it, I'd just slap a basic Ubuntu or something on it, and
then install alpine as usual. Do sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get
install foo.

On 2/7/2020 11:12, Christopher Gray wrote:
Hi:

I've asked for some assistance about the issue below twice now, once
last June, again Wednesday.  If there is a better list or means of
asking than this list, just let me know that.

I could be wrong but this really shouldn't be a difficult issue to
diagnose. Alpine and Pico both worked quite well with Cobra and
Window-Eyes.

Chris

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 16:52:30 +0000
From: Christopher Gray via Groups.Io <chris=moblind.org@groups.io>
Reply-To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
To: NVDA Mailing List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Alpine and Pico (fwd)

Hello:

I brought up the issue below last June but aside from some related
discussion never got anywhere about using this software on Windows
with NVDA.  I really need some assistance with this issue to make a
full transition to NVDA.

Software is alpine for Windows and Pico, also for Windows.  It is not
exactly that the software doesn't work at all, but it only partly
works.  For example, in editing a message, I can usually get speech in
the text, but there is no braille.  Sometimes while editing, when I
move down line by line I get no text, but I do get text moving up line
by line after moving down.  In the menu of messages, I can't see the
messages at all.

Thanks.

Chris

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 17:33:26 +0000
From: Christopher Gray via Groups.Io <chris=moblind.org@groups.io>
Reply-To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
To: NVDA Mailing List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Alpine and Pico

Hi:

I use two fairly old pieces of software:  the Alpine email client; the
Pico text
editor.  Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to get this software
to work
with NVDA.  It only shows a blank screen for me.

Pico is particularly portable and I'm betting that the two programs
have the
same screen issues since they were written by the same source.  I haven't
attached it here but sending it via email should be very simple.

Is there a way I can try to diagnose this?  Or, might somebody be
willing to
look at this who knows more about thwat they are doing?

Many thanks.

Chris


****************************************
Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri
Council of the Blind in
your Will or Estate Plan?  Contact me as shown below and I can help
you with this.

----------------------------------------
Christopher Gray, Executive Director
Missouri Council of the Blind

5453 Chippewa
St. Louis, MO 63109
Phone:     (314) 832-7172
Toll-free: (800) 342-5632
Fax:       (314) 832-7796

Like Jazz?  Want to know more about jazz?
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Voice, Chris and Don.
Listen live each Wednesday at 00:00 Utc, 7:00 P.M. Eastern, 4:00 P.M.
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Find us by going to theglobalvoice.info/broadband.pls.
Can't listen live? go to theglobalvoice.info and choose the "Listen to
Past Shows" link any time during the week after each live broadcast.
You can also go to the link www.jazzguys.libsyn.com for the podcasts!
Or, subscribe to us through iTunes or TuneIn Radio.









Re: Alpine and Pico (fwd)

Tyler Spivey
 

What version of alpine are you running, on what operating system? Are you using it through a terminal program or native?

On 2/7/2020 9:12 AM, Christopher Gray wrote:
Hi:

I've asked for some assistance about the issue below twice now, once last June, again Wednesday.  If there is a better list or means of asking than this list, just let me know that.

I could be wrong but this really shouldn't be a difficult issue to diagnose. Alpine and Pico both worked quite well with Cobra and Window-Eyes.

Chris

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 16:52:30 +0000
From: Christopher Gray via Groups.Io <chris=moblind.org@groups.io>
Reply-To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
To: NVDA Mailing List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Alpine and Pico (fwd)

Hello:

I brought up the issue below last June but aside from some related discussion never got anywhere about using this software on Windows with NVDA.  I really need some assistance with this issue to make a full transition to NVDA.

Software is alpine for Windows and Pico, also for Windows.  It is not exactly that the software doesn't work at all, but it only partly works.  For example, in editing a message, I can usually get speech in the text, but there is no braille.  Sometimes while editing, when I move down line by line I get no text, but I do get text moving up line by line after moving down.  In the menu of messages, I can't see the messages at all.

Thanks.

Chris

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 17:33:26 +0000
From: Christopher Gray via Groups.Io <chris=moblind.org@groups.io>
Reply-To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
To: NVDA Mailing List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Alpine and Pico

Hi:

I use two fairly old pieces of software:  the Alpine email client; the Pico text
editor.  Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to get this software to work
with NVDA.  It only shows a blank screen for me.

Pico is particularly portable and I'm betting that the two programs have the
same screen issues since they were written by the same source.  I haven't
attached it here but sending it via email should be very simple.

Is there a way I can try to diagnose this?  Or, might somebody be willing to
look at this who knows more about thwat they are doing?

Many thanks.

Chris


****************************************
Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri Council of the Blind in
your Will or Estate Plan?  Contact me as shown below and I can help you with this.

----------------------------------------
Christopher Gray, Executive Director
Missouri Council of the Blind

5453 Chippewa
St. Louis, MO 63109
Phone:     (314) 832-7172
Toll-free: (800) 342-5632
Fax:       (314) 832-7796

Like Jazz?  Want to know more about jazz?
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Listen live each Wednesday at 00:00 Utc, 7:00 P.M. Eastern, 4:00 P.M. Pacific
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Dropbox addon

Patrick ZAJDA
 

Hello all,


As a remind, there is a test version of Dropbox add-on which is compatible with 2019.3.


Before making it stable, I would like to know if some people have some feedback and if something in the code should be changed.


The download link is: https://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=dx-dev


The GitHub repository is: https://github.com/Nardol/dropbox


Thanks,


--
Patrick ZAJDA


Alpine and Pico (fwd)

Christopher Gray
 

Hi:

I've asked for some assistance about the issue below twice now, once last June, again Wednesday. If there is a better list or means of asking than this list, just let me know that.

I could be wrong but this really shouldn't be a difficult issue to diagnose. Alpine and Pico both worked quite well with Cobra and Window-Eyes.

Chris

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 16:52:30 +0000
From: Christopher Gray via Groups.Io <chris=moblind.org@groups.io>
Reply-To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
To: NVDA Mailing List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Alpine and Pico (fwd)

Hello:

I brought up the issue below last June but aside from some related discussion never got anywhere about using this software on Windows with NVDA. I really need some assistance with this issue to make a full transition to NVDA.

Software is alpine for Windows and Pico, also for Windows. It is not exactly that the software doesn't work at all, but it only partly works. For example, in editing a message, I can usually get speech in the text, but there is no braille. Sometimes while editing, when I move down line by line I get no text, but I do get text moving up line by line after moving down. In the menu of messages, I can't see the messages at all.

Thanks.

Chris

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 17:33:26 +0000
From: Christopher Gray via Groups.Io <chris=moblind.org@groups.io>
Reply-To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
To: NVDA Mailing List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Alpine and Pico

Hi:

I use two fairly old pieces of software: the Alpine email client; the Pico text
editor. Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to get this software to work
with NVDA. It only shows a blank screen for me.

Pico is particularly portable and I'm betting that the two programs have the
same screen issues since they were written by the same source. I haven't
attached it here but sending it via email should be very simple.

Is there a way I can try to diagnose this? Or, might somebody be willing to
look at this who knows more about thwat they are doing?

Many thanks.

Chris


****************************************
Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri Council of the Blind in
your Will or Estate Plan? Contact me as shown below and I can help you with this.

----------------------------------------
Christopher Gray, Executive Director
Missouri Council of the Blind

5453 Chippewa
St. Louis, MO 63109
Phone: (314) 832-7172
Toll-free: (800) 342-5632
Fax: (314) 832-7796

Like Jazz? Want to know more about jazz?
Tune into "A Journey into Jazz" with the Jazz Guys on the Global Voice, Chris and Don.
Listen live each Wednesday at 00:00 Utc, 7:00 P.M. Eastern, 4:00 P.M. Pacific
Find us by going to theglobalvoice.info/broadband.pls.
Can't listen live? go to theglobalvoice.info and choose the "Listen to
Past Shows" link any time during the week after each live broadcast.
You can also go to the link www.jazzguys.libsyn.com for the podcasts!
Or, subscribe to us through iTunes or TuneIn Radio.


Re: NVDA not coming on when I start the computer

Gene
 

You need to see if the check box is checked for running on bootup.  It sometimes becomes unchecked during upgrades. 
 
The command you are using runs NVDA if it isn't running.  You can't assume it is restarting NVDA.  It likely isn't running in the first place.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2020 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not coming on when I start the computer

Until the latest update, NVDA would start speaking as soon as it is
loaded once the laptop is completely on. Now I seem to have to do the
command as if I was wanting to restart NVDA.  I do not know how else to
explain this.


On 2/7/2020 9:34 AM, Vaibhav Bhandari wrote:
> Could you explain further what did you mean by "Your laptop is no
> longer coming up with speech with the latest update of NVDA?" I was
> unable to understand the problem.
>
> On 2/7/20, Betsy Grenevitch <blindangel61@...> wrote:
>> I believe I remember this topic coming up recently but must have missed
>> the response. My laptop is no longer coming up with speech with the
>> latest update of NVDA. I am wondering if Microsoft Teams is the problem
>> but do not know how to get rid of that program or what it is even for.
>> It started coming up when I started using Windows 10. Are there any
>> solutions to getting rid of it and if that is not causing the problem
>> what can I do to fix NVDA not coning up on its own.
>>
>>
>> Thanks so much. At least there is a workaround by restarting NVDA but I
>> know it should not work this way.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Betsy Grenevitch
>> 678-862-3876
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
--
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876




Say product name and version compatible with Python3

Patrick ZAJDA
 

Hello,


SayProductNameAndVersion has been updated to be compatible with NVDA 2019.3.

It is stille compatible with NVDA 2017.3.


Download link:


https://github.com/Nardol/SayProductNameAndVersion/releases/download/2020.02/sayProductNameAndVersion-2020.02.nvda-addon


Best regards,


--
Patrick ZAJDA


Re: NVDA navigation problems

Gene
 

I should add that using the key pass through command and then being able to execute keystrokes properly is a strong indication that NVDA is the problem so you may not need to test.  You may want to just to be sure things are working as expected. 
 
While this shouldn't help the problem, make sure you are in object navigation mode, then see if there is any change or improvement.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2020 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA navigation problems

I don't know why you are seeing the behaviors you describe.  If you were not in NVDA and the NVDA key were stuck, pressing n would open the NVDA menu.  Then, if you tried to down arrow through it, the NVDA menu wouldn't do anything.  If the NVDA key were stuck, then typing numbers on the main keyboard would change settings such as NVDA 1, toggle input help on and off, number 2 toggle speak typed characters on and off. 
 
Have you checked to see if the behavior you are describing is connected at all with NVDA?  Have you unloaded it and tested with another screen-reader? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2020 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA navigation problems

It doesn't seem like that is the case, because it seems to me that a stuck NVDA key would cause more problems than just that, but I will try to change the NVDA key to caps lock or something and see if anything changes. Thanks.


Re: NVDA navigation problems

Gene
 

I don't know why you are seeing the behaviors you describe.  If you were not in NVDA and the NVDA key were stuck, pressing n would open the NVDA menu.  Then, if you tried to down arrow through it, the NVDA menu wouldn't do anything.  If the NVDA key were stuck, then typing numbers on the main keyboard would change settings such as NVDA 1, toggle input help on and off, number 2 toggle speak typed characters on and off. 
 
Have you checked to see if the behavior you are describing is connected at all with NVDA?  Have you unloaded it and tested with another screen-reader? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2020 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA navigation problems

It doesn't seem like that is the case, because it seems to me that a stuck NVDA key would cause more problems than just that, but I will try to change the NVDA key to caps lock or something and see if anything changes. Thanks.


Re: NVDA and my bank's website.

Suzy
 

Hello again.

It appears to be Google's fault. After creating a portable copy of NVDA Beta 3 and calling my bank to inform them I would be logging in and out several times, I performed several test using the beta 3 and RC3 versions of NVDA. 
First was the control test. Logging in with Chrome and RC3 worked as it did yesterday. 
Logging in with Chrome and Beta 3 also functioned in the same manner as RC3. Voila! NVDA was not the culprit.
It was time to see if Firefox would produce favorable results. In September, when paired with NVDA 2019.2, it behaved as Chrome is behaving now.
An updated Firefox plus NVDA Beta 3 worked as Beta 3 and Chrome had done before my time away from the PC. 
This was also true for Firefox and RC3. 
The last thing I did was to see when Chrome last updated. It was two days ago. Although the update is "rolling out", I must have been one of the first to get it. Selecting About Chrome shows me I am up to date. 

Forgive me for not thoroughly checking things out. 

Suzy 


Re: Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Gene
 

Microsoft updates the virus definitions for Windows 7 and you can download them in the usual way.  I'm not even sure its correct to say that, because MSEE in Windows 7 may use exactly the same definitions as Windows Defender in Windows 10. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2020 2:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Well ms has stopped updating win7 deffs now officially so it won't effect it.

As usual microsoft targets blindness software, I have exclusions for games, recorders and it seems now I will have to do the same to my screen readers and maybe sapi voices?

At this rate I may as well exclude my entire c drive!

How can we the user be secure if we get so many false alarms.



On 7/02/2020 5:13 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi folks,

It was NVDARemote the other week, now it seems it's our turn for Microsoft's random unfounded accusations.  If you try to install the release candidate of NVDA 2019.3, Windows Defender will alert you it has found a trojan in eSpeak NG and blocked it.  The install of NVDA will fail.

As a workaround for now, you can create a portable copy of the RC and that should run fine.  You won't be able to use eSpeak NG.

NVDA 2019.2.1 installs and runs fine, even using eSpeak NG (it uses a different build of eSpeak NG).

I am not sure whether this affects Windows 7 users as well.  I have reported it to Microsoft but I would encourage everyone else to as well.  To be honest, even aside from it being our program affected, this really annoys me.  Defender has NOT found a trojan in eSpeak, its heuristic (machine learning) has guessed that it looks a bit suspicious and flagged it - Ok that happens, but say that, don't say absolutely that a known malicious software has been found.

It took a day or so to fix Defender's virus list and have NVDARemote cleared, so I expect it will probably be within about the same timeline this time around.  Apologies for the inconvenience.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



Re: NVDA not coming on when I start the computer

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I figured it out. I guess when the update took place it set it not to turn on NVDA when the computer is starting. It is working now. 


On 2/7/2020 9:55 AM, Cohn, Jonathan wrote:
Well, since when you "restart" NVDA it is working normally for you, it sounds like you don't have a major issue with speech being completely disabled. I can assure you that Microsoft Teams will work with NVdA, so you don't need to worry about that. Are you sure that NVDA has actually started? Do you hear the Startup chime from NVDA? If you are hearing that chime but never get voice until starting NVDA from the run menu, then your best bet is to get the log file from NVDA and have somebody review it for errors.
Also, you might want to confirm with folks what NVDA Add ons you are running. 
-- 
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876


Re: NVDA not coming on when I start the computer

Betsy Grenevitch
 

It is possible there is a setting that I set incorrectly that affects whether NVDA starts automatically on the laptop? Is there such a setting that I need to check. That is the only thing that I can think would have changed. It is not a major issue but I used the sound of NVDA starting to tell me when the laptop was up.



On 2/7/2020 9:55 AM, Cohn, Jonathan wrote:
Well, since when you "restart" NVDA it is working normally for you, it sounds like you don't have a major issue with speech being completely disabled. I can assure you that Microsoft Teams will work with NVdA, so you don't need to worry about that. Are you sure that NVDA has actually started? Do you hear the Startup chime from NVDA? If you are hearing that chime but never get voice until starting NVDA from the run menu, then your best bet is to get the log file from NVDA and have somebody review it for errors.
Also, you might want to confirm with folks what NVDA Add ons you are running. 
-- 
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876


Re: NVDA not coming on when I start the computer

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I do not even hear the start up chime for NVDA. I am just thankful I can get it on another way.



On 2/7/2020 9:55 AM, Cohn, Jonathan wrote:
Well, since when you "restart" NVDA it is working normally for you, it sounds like you don't have a major issue with speech being completely disabled. I can assure you that Microsoft Teams will work with NVdA, so you don't need to worry about that. Are you sure that NVDA has actually started? Do you hear the Startup chime from NVDA? If you are hearing that chime but never get voice until starting NVDA from the run menu, then your best bet is to get the log file from NVDA and have somebody review it for errors.
Also, you might want to confirm with folks what NVDA Add ons you are running. 
-- 
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876


Re: NVDA not coming on when I start the computer

Betsy Grenevitch
 

Until the latest update, NVDA would start speaking as soon as it is loaded once the laptop is completely on. Now I seem to have to do the command as if I was wanting to restart NVDA.  I do not know how else to explain this.

On 2/7/2020 9:34 AM, Vaibhav Bhandari wrote:
Could you explain further what did you mean by "Your laptop is no
longer coming up with speech with the latest update of NVDA?" I was
unable to understand the problem.

On 2/7/20, Betsy Grenevitch <blindangel61@...> wrote:
I believe I remember this topic coming up recently but must have missed
the response. My laptop is no longer coming up with speech with the
latest update of NVDA. I am wondering if Microsoft Teams is the problem
but do not know how to get rid of that program or what it is even for.
It started coming up when I started using Windows 10. Are there any
solutions to getting rid of it and if that is not causing the problem
what can I do to fix NVDA not coning up on its own.


Thanks so much. At least there is a workaround by restarting NVDA but I
know it should not work this way.



--
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876




--
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876


Re: NVDA not coming on when I start the computer

Jonathan COHN
 

Well, since when you "restart" NVDA it is working normally for you, it sounds like you don't have a major issue with speech being completely disabled. I can assure you that Microsoft Teams will work with NVdA, so you don't need to worry about that. Are you sure that NVDA has actually started? Do you hear the Startup chime from NVDA? If you are hearing that chime but never get voice until starting NVDA from the run menu, then your best bet is to get the log file from NVDA and have somebody review it for errors.
Also, you might want to confirm with folks what NVDA Add ons you are running. 


Re: NVDA navigation problems

Tarah Sawler
 

It doesn't seem like that is the case, because it seems to me that a stuck NVDA key would cause more problems than just that, but I will try to change the NVDA key to caps lock or something and see if anything changes. Thanks.


Re: Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Quenton,

In addition, I always have Defender set to update to the latest version.  I have had odd issues with it in the past.  If you are familiar with Steve's Clock, Defender flagged that consistently.  Even after I allowed it under Defender settings, every time Windows updates, it flags it again.  I had to go into the settings and manually exempt the Steve's clock folder from Defender scans.  Even then, it always brings up User Account Control when I run it.  It never comes up in start up--even though I have it set to run at start up.  I have reported this to both the program developer and Microsoft with no change.  I  am glad that this isn't happening with NVDA on my system.


On 2/7/2020 1:00 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I believe this only affects Windows 10 at this stage?  Perhaps Rosemarie and Ron are using Windows 7?  Or their Defender hasn't updated to the latest definitions maybe?

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
Hi Group,

I also do not have this issue with RC3.


On 2/7/2020 12:28 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I'm not having this problem on my system. I'm using espeak but I wonder if I should use something else just to be on the safe side.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

 

Hi folks,

 

It was NVDARemote the other week, now it seems it's our turn for Microsoft's random unfounded accusations.  If you try to install the release candidate of NVDA 2019.3, Windows Defender will alert you it has found a trojan in eSpeak NG and blocked it.  The install of NVDA will fail.

 

As a workaround for now, you can create a portable copy of the RC and that should run fine.  You won't be able to use eSpeak NG.

 

NVDA 2019.2.1 installs and runs fine, even using eSpeak NG (it uses a different build of eSpeak NG).

 

I am not sure whether this affects Windows 7 users as well.  I have reported it to Microsoft but I would encourage everyone else to as well.  To be honest, even aside from it being our program affected, this really annoys me.  Defender has NOT found a trojan in eSpeak, its heuristic (machine learning) has guessed that it looks a bit suspicious and flagged it - Ok that happens, but say that, don't say absolutely that a known malicious software has been found.

 

It took a day or so to fix Defender's virus list and have NVDARemote cleared, so I expect it will probably be within about the same timeline this time around.  Apologies for the inconvenience.

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

 


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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
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Training and Support Manager



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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
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Re: Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Quenton,

I am using Windows 10 on all my systems.  Windows Defender is my default anti virus.  I do have Malware bytes on two systems as well.  I am not seeing this issue at all.



On 2/7/2020 1:00 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I believe this only affects Windows 10 at this stage?  Perhaps Rosemarie and Ron are using Windows 7?  Or their Defender hasn't updated to the latest definitions maybe?

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
Hi Group,

I also do not have this issue with RC3.


On 2/7/2020 12:28 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I'm not having this problem on my system. I'm using espeak but I wonder if I should use something else just to be on the safe side.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

 

Hi folks,

 

It was NVDARemote the other week, now it seems it's our turn for Microsoft's random unfounded accusations.  If you try to install the release candidate of NVDA 2019.3, Windows Defender will alert you it has found a trojan in eSpeak NG and blocked it.  The install of NVDA will fail.

 

As a workaround for now, you can create a portable copy of the RC and that should run fine.  You won't be able to use eSpeak NG.

 

NVDA 2019.2.1 installs and runs fine, even using eSpeak NG (it uses a different build of eSpeak NG).

 

I am not sure whether this affects Windows 7 users as well.  I have reported it to Microsoft but I would encourage everyone else to as well.  To be honest, even aside from it being our program affected, this really annoys me.  Defender has NOT found a trojan in eSpeak, its heuristic (machine learning) has guessed that it looks a bit suspicious and flagged it - Ok that happens, but say that, don't say absolutely that a known malicious software has been found.

 

It took a day or so to fix Defender's virus list and have NVDARemote cleared, so I expect it will probably be within about the same timeline this time around.  Apologies for the inconvenience.

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

 


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: NVDA not coming on when I start the computer

Vaibhav Bhandari
 

Could you explain further what did you mean by "Your laptop is no
longer coming up with speech with the latest update of NVDA?" I was
unable to understand the problem.

On 2/7/20, Betsy Grenevitch <blindangel61@...> wrote:
I believe I remember this topic coming up recently but must have missed
the response. My laptop is no longer coming up with speech with the
latest update of NVDA. I am wondering if Microsoft Teams is the problem
but do not know how to get rid of that program or what it is even for.
It started coming up when I started using Windows 10. Are there any
solutions to getting rid of it and if that is not causing the problem
what can I do to fix NVDA not coning up on its own.


Thanks so much. At least there is a workaround by restarting NVDA but I
know it should not work this way.



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Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876




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Thanks/regards: Vaibhav Bhandari