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Re: FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

P. Otter
 

hi, i've red on the site it is only 14 days and not 90 days.
tell me what is true!
cheers
paul otter


Op 1-4-2020 om 21:20 schreef Lino Morales:

Well they haven’t emailed me back. Wonder if it’s a scam?

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 

From: Bernd Dorer
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

 

At the moment you don't need to send them any data, just use the voices

for 90 days, then you can buy them

 

 

HTH

Bernd

Am 01.04.2020 um 19:06 schrieb Gerardo Corripio:

> I just sent them my name, EMail, what version of NVDA AND WINDOWS10 I’m using. Let’s see if they write back with some other questions.

> Gera

> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

>> El 1 abr 2020, a la(s) 9:58 a.m., junior <tadeu.junior.tecladista@...> escribió:

>> 

>> What data are you asking us to send by email?

>> I didn't find them on the page, and I'm definitely willing to use the voices.

>> 

>> 

>> ***Enviado do Windows Live Mail***

>> 

>> WhatsApp/Telegram:

>> +5522998024703

>> 

>> E-mail:

>> tadeu.junior.tecladista@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> --------------------------------------------------

>> From: "Bernd Dorer" <bdorer+nvda@...>

>> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 10:24 AM

>> To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Subject: [nvda] FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

>> 

>>> Hi all,

>>> 

>>> see here: http://www.acapela-nvda.com/

>>> 

>>> Gruß Bernd

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 



Re: FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

Don H
 

I got my code from them. I find their voices not as good as the Code Factory Volizer voices. Of course this is totally my opinion.

On 4/1/2020 2:20 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
Well they haven’t emailed me back. Wonder if it’s a scam?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>; for Windows 10
*From: *Bernd Dorer <mailto:bdorer+nvda@mailbox.org>
*Sent: *Wednesday, April 1, 2020 3:19 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices
At the moment you don't need to send them any data, just use the voices
for 90 days, then you can buy them
HTH
Bernd
Am 01.04.2020 um 19:06 schrieb Gerardo Corripio:

> I just sent them my name, EMail, what version of NVDA AND WINDOWS10
I’m using. Let’s see if they write back with some other questions.

>

> Gera

> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

>

>> El 1 abr 2020, a la(s) 9:58 a.m., junior
<tadeu.junior.tecladista@gmail.com> escribió:

>>

>> What data are you asking us to send by email?

>> I didn't find them on the page, and I'm definitely willing to use
the voices.

>>

>>

>> ***Enviado do Windows Live Mail***

>>

>> WhatsApp/Telegram:

>> +5522998024703

>>

>> E-mail:

>> tadeu.junior.tecladista@gmail.com

>>

>>

>>

>> --------------------------------------------------

>> From: "Bernd Dorer" <bdorer+nvda@mailbox.org>

>> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 10:24 AM

>> To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Subject: [nvda] FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their
nvda voices

>>

>>> Hi all,

>>>

>>> see here: http://www.acapela-nvda.com/

>>>

>>> Gruß Bernd

>>>

>>

>>

>

>


Re: FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

Lino Morales
 

Well they haven’t emailed me back. Wonder if it’s a scam?

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 

From: Bernd Dorer
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

 

At the moment you don't need to send them any data, just use the voices

for 90 days, then you can buy them

 

 

HTH

Bernd

Am 01.04.2020 um 19:06 schrieb Gerardo Corripio:

> I just sent them my name, EMail, what version of NVDA AND WINDOWS10 I’m using. Let’s see if they write back with some other questions.

> Gera

> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

>> El 1 abr 2020, a la(s) 9:58 a.m., junior <tadeu.junior.tecladista@...> escribió:

>> 

>> What data are you asking us to send by email?

>> I didn't find them on the page, and I'm definitely willing to use the voices.

>> 

>> 

>> ***Enviado do Windows Live Mail***

>> 

>> WhatsApp/Telegram:

>> +5522998024703

>> 

>> E-mail:

>> tadeu.junior.tecladista@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> --------------------------------------------------

>> From: "Bernd Dorer" <bdorer+nvda@...>

>> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 10:24 AM

>> To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Subject: [nvda] FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

>> 

>>> Hi all,

>>> 

>>> see here: http://www.acapela-nvda.com/

>>> 

>>> Gruß Bernd

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 


Re: FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

Bernd Dorer
 

At the moment you don't need to send them any data, just use the voices for 90 days, then you can buy them


HTH
Bernd
Am 01.04.2020 um 19:06 schrieb Gerardo Corripio:

I just sent them my name, EMail, what version of NVDA AND WINDOWS10 I’m using. Let’s see if they write back with some other questions.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 1 abr 2020, a la(s) 9:58 a.m., junior <tadeu.junior.tecladista@gmail.com> escribió:

What data are you asking us to send by email?
I didn't find them on the page, and I'm definitely willing to use the voices.


***Enviado do Windows Live Mail***

WhatsApp/Telegram:
+5522998024703

E-mail:
tadeu.junior.tecladista@gmail.com



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From: "Bernd Dorer" <bdorer+nvda@mailbox.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 10:24 AM
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

Hi all,

see here: http://www.acapela-nvda.com/

Gruß Bernd


Re: Combo Boxes Are Not Accessible

Patrick Le Baudour
 

Hi,

while not on a quantity combo, I also had a problem with some listboxes/comboboxes on french amazon. Turned out I had to refresh nvda display (nvda+F5) for the changes to be shown.

Also, on completely unrelated websites, i had the "pleasure" to deal with some javascript-based lists/combo, with non-standard behaviour, like only accepting clicks or/and return key pres, or having to press return for an item to be actually selected. Form input mode can even be a hindrance for those.
In those cases, I had to play around quite a bit, but there's usually a way.

-- Patrick

Le 01/04/2020 à 15:00, Howard Traxler a écrit :
I noticed on Amazon, when I try to increment the quantity of an item I'm purchasing, I can get it all the way to 10.  But when I try to close the box (I've tried any key combination I can think of) it will not close and retain my choice.
Howard


Re: FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

Gerardo Corripio
 

I just sent them my name, EMail, what version of NVDA AND WINDOWS10 I’m using. Let’s see if they write back with some other questions.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 1 abr 2020, a la(s) 9:58 a.m., junior <tadeu.junior.tecladista@gmail.com> escribió:

What data are you asking us to send by email?
I didn't find them on the page, and I'm definitely willing to use the voices.


***Enviado do Windows Live Mail***

WhatsApp/Telegram:
+5522998024703

E-mail:
tadeu.junior.tecladista@gmail.com



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From: "Bernd Dorer" <bdorer+nvda@mailbox.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 10:24 AM
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

Hi all,

see here: http://www.acapela-nvda.com/

Gruß Bernd


Re: NVDA with updated Windows Essentials

 

Hi,
Is this the case for people using old Thunderbird releases? If not, this might be something to do with TB 75. To better understand this though, I need a debug log (restart NVDA with debug logging enabled, use Thunderbird, as soon as you hear "message deleted", press NVDA+F1 to open log viewer, copy and paste everything as a private email to me as debug log will give you all sorts of information such as keys you've pressed).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Grossoehme
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA with updated Windows Essentials

Good Morning: Has anybody else noticed a change in Thunderbird after making the most update of Windows Essentials? . This would be version
20.04 with NVDA 1903. This problem occurs on an insider version of windows, so, it might make a difference. When in thunderbird I hear that one message has been deleted, when deleting a message before going on to read the next message.

Dave


Re: FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

junior <tadeu.junior.tecladista@...>
 

What data are you asking us to send by email?
I didn't find them on the page, and I'm definitely willing to use the voices.


***Enviado do Windows Live Mail***

WhatsApp/Telegram:
+5522998024703

E-mail:
tadeu.junior.tecladista@gmail.com



--------------------------------------------------
From: "Bernd Dorer" <bdorer+nvda@mailbox.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 10:24 AM
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

Hi all,

see here: http://www.acapela-nvda.com/

Gruß Bernd


NVDA with updated Windows Essentials

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Morning:  Has anybody else noticed a change in Thunderbird after making the most update of Windows Essentials?  .  This would be version 20.04 with NVDA 1903.  This problem occurs on an insider version of windows, so, it might make a difference.  When in thunderbird I hear that one message has been deleted, when deleting a message before going on to read the next message.

Dave


Re: Combo Boxes Are Not Accessible

 

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 11:27 AM, Gene wrote:
That is what real combo boxes are but I've almost never seen one. 
I find that hard to believe, but what I do believe is that screen readers probably call list boxes and combo boxes just list boxes.  Combo boxes have been a staple for decades now.  I remember teaching how to create ones for forms that would populate the choices dynamically based on a database query (of course, you could do the same for list boxes, too).  The difference between the two being that a list box forced a choice only from the dropdown list while a combo box supported typing either an existing list option or a brand new option that would then be added.

That's actually one of the problems with screen readers and with ongoing development trends, there is not a one-to-one correspondence with what a screen reader declares something to be and what it actually is.  And given the pace of changing web objects, there's no way any screen reader could keep pace with all of it - and some of these new things end up being dead ends and are dropped.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Combo Boxes Are Not Accessible

Gene
 

That is what real combo boxes are but I've almost never seen one.  The screen-readers I've used call list boxes combo boxes, thus leading to complete comfusion about the difference.  A list box requires you to move with the arrow keys or you can often use first letter navigation.  A combo box allows you to move with the arrow keys or type.  I don't know which the Amazon structure is.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Combo Boxes Are Not Accessible
 
I don't know what, precisely, is being described by this "new combo box" but I have no doubt it exists.  If anyone finds a web address for a public-facing page that contains one please do share it (or them, if more than one).

But with regard to quantity combo boxes, your best bet generally is doing a Select All once you have focus and just typing in the quantity you want and tabbing out.  I have yet to see this fail (but I'm sure someone will, but it's worth trying).

The whole concept of a combo box was that it was a combination of a text edit box and a dropdown box, and you could either dropdown (or increment) to select a value or type one in as if it were a straight text edit box.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Combo Boxes Are Not Accessible

Gene
 

What browser or browsers have you tried?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Combo Boxes Are Not Accessible
 
Yes, I've tried those; and enter, escape,and maybe others.  It seems a
little inconsistent.  Sometimes it closes the box and sets it at 0; and
sometimes it closes the window all together and I have to alt-tab to get
back to it and start over.


On 4/1/2020 8:48 AM, Gene wrote:
> Have you tried just tabbing or manually going back to browse mode?
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Howard Traxler <mailto:htraxler7@...>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 01, 2020 8:00 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Combo Boxes Are Not Accessible
> I noticed on Amazon, when I try to increment the quantity of an item I'm
> purchasing, I can get it all the way to 10.  But when I try to close the
> box (I've tried any key combination I can think of) it will not close
> and retain my choice.
>
> Howard
>
>
> On 3/31/2020 11:12 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
> > Have you got an example on a public site you can share please?
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 3:05 PM Rich DeSteno <axcruncher@...
> > <mailto:axcruncher@...>> wrote:
> >
> >     I have recently encountered a type of combo box on a few web sites
> >     that
> >     is not accessible with screen-reading software, including NVDA.  The
> >     combo box does not open and reveal its list no matter what key
> >     combinations I try.  In past years, combo boxes were easily opened
> >     and
> >     read with alt-DownArrow or Space Bar and DownArrow.  Does anyone
> >     have a
> >     solution to reading these new combo boxes.  I am currently having
> >     great
> >     difficulty in completing a couple of forms that have such boxes.
> >
> >
> >     --
> >     Rich De Steno
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Quentin Christensen
> > Training and Support Manager
> >
> > Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
> > Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
> > Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
> > User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
> > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> > Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
> >
>
>
>
>




Re: Combo Boxes Are Not Accessible

 

I don't know what, precisely, is being described by this "new combo box" but I have no doubt it exists.  If anyone finds a web address for a public-facing page that contains one please do share it (or them, if more than one).

But with regard to quantity combo boxes, your best bet generally is doing a Select All once you have focus and just typing in the quantity you want and tabbing out.  I have yet to see this fail (but I'm sure someone will, but it's worth trying).

The whole concept of a combo box was that it was a combination of a text edit box and a dropdown box, and you could either dropdown (or increment) to select a value or type one in as if it were a straight text edit box.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Combo Boxes Are Not Accessible

Howard Traxler
 

Yes, I've tried those; and enter, escape,and maybe others.  It seems a little inconsistent.  Sometimes it closes the box and sets it at 0; and sometimes it closes the window all together and I have to alt-tab to get back to it and start over.

On 4/1/2020 8:48 AM, Gene wrote:
Have you tried just tabbing or manually going back to browse mode?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Howard Traxler <mailto:htraxler7@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 01, 2020 8:00 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Combo Boxes Are Not Accessible
I noticed on Amazon, when I try to increment the quantity of an item I'm
purchasing, I can get it all the way to 10.  But when I try to close the
box (I've tried any key combination I can think of) it will not close
and retain my choice.

Howard


On 3/31/2020 11:12 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Have you got an example on a public site you can share please?

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 3:05 PM Rich DeSteno <axcruncher@gmail.com
<mailto:axcruncher@gmail.com>> wrote:

     I have recently encountered a type of combo box on a few web sites
     that
     is not accessible with screen-reading software, including NVDA.  The
     combo box does not open and reveal its list no matter what key
     combinations I try.  In past years, combo boxes were easily opened
     and
     read with alt-DownArrow or Space Bar and DownArrow.  Does anyone
     have a
     solution to reading these new combo boxes.  I am currently having
     great
     difficulty in completing a couple of forms that have such boxes.


     --
     Rich De Steno






--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>;
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>;



Re: NVDA has Acquired a new, and somewhat annoying Feature

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I am having the same problem and it definitely interrupts the reading of email.

On 3/31/2020 5:17 PM, Governor staten wrote:
Hello, everyone. I'm using Thunderbird 75 beta 2 64 bit with the latest NVDA Alpha. As of a few days ago, the reading of certain processes in Thunderbird is being done. However, it is way too verbose. Sometimes it reads pieces of text and letters. I wish I knew what this was and how to modify it, or turn it off.





--
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876


Re: Combo Boxes Are Not Accessible

Gene
 

Have you tried just tabbing or manually going back to browse mode?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Combo Boxes Are Not Accessible
 
I noticed on Amazon, when I try to increment the quantity of an item I'm
purchasing, I can get it all the way to 10.  But when I try to close the
box (I've tried any key combination I can think of) it will not close
and retain my choice.

Howard


On 3/31/2020 11:12 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
> Have you got an example on a public site you can share please?
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 3:05 PM Rich DeSteno <axcruncher@...
> <mailto:axcruncher@...>> wrote:
>
>     I have recently encountered a type of combo box on a few web sites
>     that
>     is not accessible with screen-reading software, including NVDA.  The
>     combo box does not open and reveal its list no matter what key
>     combinations I try.  In past years, combo boxes were easily opened
>     and
>     read with alt-DownArrow or Space Bar and DownArrow.  Does anyone
>     have a
>     solution to reading these new combo boxes.  I am currently having
>     great
>     difficulty in completing a couple of forms that have such boxes.
>
>
>     --
>     Rich De Steno
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>




FYI: Acapella offers 90 days free trial for their nvda voices

Bernd Dorer
 

Hi all,

see here: http://www.acapela-nvda.com/

Gruß Bernd


Some 2019.3 questions

Clement Chou
 

Hey all. Just updatd to NVDA 2019.3 this morning, and have some
various questions about different things I was hoping I could gethelp
with.

1. Is there an addon that will allow me to copy the last thing NVDA
reported to the clipboard? Clip Copy used to be my addon of choice,
but as of late it's no longer compatible.
2. Switch Synthe: This addon used to allow me to save multiple
configurations of the same synthesizer for example, when different
languages were required. But that is also gone in the latest version
of the addon. Is there an alternative?
3. Lastly, this isn't necessarily an NVDA question but more some
Windows one core voices questions. IS there a reason some of them show
up in SAPI 5 voice lists and others don't? Also, is auto language
switching a thing? It seems to work very spiratically. And lastly, is
there a need and method o update the voices or anything of that sort?

Thanks!


Re: Combo Boxes Are Not Accessible

Howard Traxler
 

I noticed on Amazon, when I try to increment the quantity of an item I'm purchasing, I can get it all the way to 10.  But when I try to close the box (I've tried any key combination I can think of) it will not close and retain my choice.

Howard

On 3/31/2020 11:12 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Have you got an example on a public site you can share please?

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 3:05 PM Rich DeSteno <axcruncher@gmail.com <mailto:axcruncher@gmail.com>> wrote:

I have recently encountered a type of combo box on a few web sites
that
is not accessible with screen-reading software, including NVDA.  The
combo box does not open and reveal its list no matter what key
combinations I try.  In past years, combo boxes were easily opened
and
read with alt-DownArrow or Space Bar and DownArrow.  Does anyone
have a
solution to reading these new combo boxes.  I am currently having
great
difficulty in completing a couple of forms that have such boxes.


--
Rich De Steno






--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>;
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>;


Monthly Group Rules Reminder for the NVDA Group (nvda@nvda.groups.io)

nvda@nvda.groups.io Group Moderators <nvda@...>
 

NVDA Group Description:  NonVisual Desktop Access (NVDA) is screen reader software.  The central purpose of this group is discussing how to use NVDA, either configuring NVDA's settings or familiarizing oneself with its modes and commands.  Discussions about which programs are accessible using NVDA, NVDA add-ons, NVDA tutorials and documentation, and configuring synthesizers or Braille displays for use with NVDA are also permitted.

What follows is the NVDA Group Monthly Reminder Notice, which is meant to reacquaint members with the NVDA Group Rules.

It is presumed that the majority of members will be using NVDA, and possibly other screen readers, as part of their daily routine.  This being the case, before you post a message you have to consider whether the question you are about to ask is actually about NVDA itself, or about the program you’re using it to access.  Questions of the form, How do I use . . . with NVDA?, are very seldom about NVDA, but are almost always about the program being accessed with NVDA.

The NVDA Group has a Chat Subgroup (see: https://nvda.groups.io/g/chat, Group Email Addresses section) that has as its purpose the asking of virtually any “off-topic” question about anything you can think of, including just socializing.  It should be used for exactly that purpose. The Chat Subgroup has generally had technically focused topics related to using features of the programs that one is using NVDA to access or about other programs that have proven helpful.  Only those who are already members of the NVDA Group can subscribe to the Chat Subgroup.  

Before choosing where to post, please ask yourself the question, “Is what I’m about to ask or offer directly related to controlling or using NVDA, or whether a specific program is accessible with NVDA?”  If that can be answered, “Yes,” then post to the NVDA Group, and if the answer is, “No,” then the topic belongs in the NVDA Chat Subgroup.

In order to make your experience, and those of all other members, as pleasant as they can be, please follow these practices:

1.  Use threaded or conversation view in your e-mail client program or webmail and reading through the entirety of a topic before replying.  It gets you completely up to speed and avoids a lot of repetition.  If you choose not to use threaded/conversation view, please take the time to read through all messages from the group that are in your inbox prior to adding any reply to the group.  It’s the only way you can be sure you’re up to speed on any topic when not using threaded/conversation view.

2.  Reading through all new topics before replying, as topics have a tendency to get split upon occasion and often an answer ends up being in a separate topic.

3. If you have reason to believe your question has likely been asked and answered in the past please search the Group Archive first before asking it again.  Step-by-Step instructions for searching the group archive using the Groups.io search or a web search engine of your choosing: Searching_the_NVDA_Group_Archive.docx.  Please consider using a web search first for questions that have almost certainly been asked frequently and for which myriad answers, often in the form of tutorials, already exist.

4.  Think very carefully about the title you are going to give any topic you post.  The topic is the first (and, sometimes, only) thing a member sees and that may be how they decide if they’re going to look further.   Generic titles, such as “Help Me!,” are not helpful because they give no idea about what.  Compare that to something like, “NVDA not reading Excel cell contents,” or, “NVDA setting for pronouncing numbers,” where the exact issue where help is needed is front and center.   Even something like, “Need help with the following . . .,” lets the reader know that you are going to present a list of issues.

5.  Please avoid, “What is the best . . .?,” topics, because what qualifies as “best” is entirely subjective.   Topics of this sort are also always chat topics.  If you know you have specific needs then asking, “What {insert program type here} has the following features . . .,” is much more descriptive.   If you want to know what programs people like for a specific task, asking, “What’s your favorite . . . and why?,” is far more likely to get you the details you want to have.  Notice that none of the above questions ask about whether a program is accessible with NVDA.  If you’re asking something like, “Which {insert program class here} is accessible with NVDA?,” then it’s a main group topic.

6.  Any topic that is not about using NVDA to accomplish a task, or how to control NVDA, belongs in the chat subgroup, not the main group.  All questions about how to use the specific features of a program that you’re using NVDA to access, but not about NVDA itself, belong in the chat subgroup.

 

Respectful, even if slightly heated, disagreements will occur occasionally and will be tolerated provided what is described next does not occur.  Flaming, name calling, instigating arguments for their own sake that do nothing to advance anyone’s knowledge, pointed rudeness, and similar boorish behavior will not be tolerated.  If at any point one of you happens upon a message anywhere in the NVDA Group sphere, main or chat, that fits the preceding description then please report it to the group owner either via e-mail at, nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io, or, if you read via the web interface at https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topics, then use the Report this message option that’s a part of the More button at the end of each message.  Please don’t add a protest message the topic.  If we receive a report and agree with it, the issue will be taken care of promptly.

 

If you find the amount of traffic from this Group, or any Groups.io group, overwhelming, then please download and read:

Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (docx)

Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (PDF)

Each of you has the ability to mute topics that don’t interest you, get digests instead of individual messages, or to set up topic preview for yourself via the Following Only and First Messages Also features used in conjunction with each other.  It is up to you to use those to manage your e-mail as you see fit.  It’s almost certain that there will be plenty of topics on the chat subgroup that will not be of the least interest to you as an individual. Setting up topic preview lets you pick and choose what you want to continue to see, and this function can be used on any Groups.io group.

 

Sincerely,

Nimer Jaber                                     Brian Vogel

 

NVDA Group Owner                      NVDA Group Moderator

 

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