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Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

Gene
 

I haven't used such voices. We don't need silly ornamental imitations of reality such as voices breathing. I never am bothered by lack of breathing sounds and I don't think about it. Are these voices developed mainly for sighted people for whom they serve a very different purpose or for blind people who use them as important tools and not just for convenient reading of material when they feel like it? If Microsoft must have breathing, it should be able to be turned off.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Hope Williamson
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 2:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

I like eloquence for it's speed and efficiency. It's unrivaled. I can't
stand the built-in breath Microsoft puts into it's narrator voices. read
something long with one, and you'll know what I'm talking about.


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

Gene
 

Againk how recently did you use the ;paid add-on? And by both, do you mean botgh Via Voice and Eloquence oor the Eloquence Add-on and the SAPI 5 version of Eloquence? If both versions of Eloquence and Viavoice are all clicky on your machine, there is another problem. I don't want to assume what the problem is. but all three displaying the same improper behavior shouldn't happen.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Hope Williamson
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 2:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

I've tried both. They were both extremely clicky. The paid add-on did it
on every other word. I uninstalled it after like 3-4 days of the trial
period.


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

Gene
 

I thought you were referring to the Eloquence add-on or SAPI5 version. As far as the IBM synthesizer is concerned, I don't know where you got the actual speech files so I don't know if there is a problem with them. I have Via Voice on my machine from another program that uses it and it is unrestricted. It runs as a SAPI4 voice and works well.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Hope Williamson
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 2:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

The IBM TTS voice is extremely clicky. At least it is for me for some
reason. It might be because I'm using a cheap external audio adapter I
got off Amazon for $8. My internal audio equipment on this system is
faulty. A friend of mine thinks it's the receptacle that you plug the
speakers into.


Re: waterfox issues still not solved

Gene
 

You can make the dialog pop up in your face with Firefox or Chrome or Brave. I have it pop up so that I can rename the file if I wish or change the download location, though I choose one place for all downloads, then don't change it.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 12:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] waterfox issues still not solved

Hi.

Well, sent another comment at waterfox devs, they seem to think its just
javascript on sites and seem to have no interest fixing it.

Waterfox 2020.08 has no issue which is what I am running now, after
profile refreshes, and restores, and everything short of a full reformat
I can confirm its definitely 09 and possably firefox as well.

If this is true, this may mean the end of any fox brouser.

The biggest thing that attract me are the download dialogs in waterfox
classic.

Chrome has one if you go to downloads but I like the dialog for
downloads popping up in my face because unless I look for it its hard to
fiss.


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

Hope Williamson
 

OK, it seems like it's the same, and I already have that one installed.

On 9/27/2020 9:47 PM, Amir wrote:
Folks, the add-on itself, IBMTTS which is the same as Eloquence, is perfectly legal and its link can be shared. The add-on is at ultrasound1372/NVDA-IBMTTS-Driver: This progect is to develop and maintain the NVDA IBMTTS driver. This repository is responsible for the x0_personal versions, which are continuing development even after it seems activity from the base repository has stopped.
However, what can't be shared because of legal issues, although many people have access to it, is the required library -- I mean ECI.dll and other *.dll and *.syn files. BTW the add-on (unlike the official release of Eloquence) makes use of extensive and advanced pronunciation dictionaries, and the project is hosted at thunderdrop/IBMTTSDictionaries
I can argue that the add-on is more responsive/crash-proof than the official Eloquence provided by Code Factory, and the addition of the community-driven dictionary makes it quite appealing.

Cheers,
Amir


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

Hope Williamson
 

Hi Sean, is the link you shared the same version as this one?
https://blindhelp.net/software/ibmtts


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

Hope Williamson
 

I like eloquence for it's speed and efficiency. It's unrivaled. I can't
stand the built-in breath Microsoft puts into it's narrator voices. read
something long with one, and you'll know what I'm talking about.


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

Hope Williamson
 

I've tried both. They were both extremely clicky. The paid add-on did it
on every other word. I uninstalled it after like 3-4 days of the trial
period.


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

Hope Williamson
 

The IBM TTS voice is extremely clicky. At least it is for me for some
reason. It might be because I'm using a cheap external audio adapter I
got off Amazon for $8. My internal audio equipment on this system is
faulty. A friend of mine thinks it's the receptacle that you plug the
speakers into.


waterfox issues still not solved

 

Hi.

Well, sent another comment at waterfox devs, they seem to think its just javascript on sites and seem to have no interest fixing it.

Waterfox 2020.08 has no issue which is what I am running now, after profile refreshes, and restores, and everything short of a full reformat I can confirm its definitely 09 and possably firefox as well.

If this is true, this may mean the end of any fox brouser.

The biggest thing that attract me are the download dialogs in waterfox classic.

Chrome has one if you go to downloads but I like the dialog for downloads popping up in my face because unless I look for it its hard to fiss.


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

Amir
 

Perhaps we define the word "useless" differently. There are a good number of ways to locate those if needed.


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

mattias
 

yes you can share the link because the tts itself ar not included

so it is useless

Den 2020-09-28 kl. 06:47, skrev Amir:

Folks, the add-on itself, IBMTTS which is the same as Eloquence, is perfectly legal and its link can be shared. The add-on is at ultrasound1372/NVDA-IBMTTS-Driver: This progect is to develop and maintain the NVDA IBMTTS driver. This repository is responsible for the x0_personal versions, which are continuing development even after it seems activity from the base repository has stopped.
However, what can't be shared because of legal issues, although many people have access to it, is the required library -- I mean ECI.dll and other *.dll and *.syn files. BTW the add-on (unlike the official release of Eloquence) makes use of extensive and advanced pronunciation dictionaries, and the project is hosted at thunderdrop/IBMTTSDictionaries
I can argue that the add-on is more responsive/crash-proof than the official Eloquence provided by Code Factory, and the addition of the community-driven dictionary makes it quite appealing.

Cheers,
Amir


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

Amir
 

Folks, the add-on itself, IBMTTS which is the same as Eloquence, is perfectly legal and its link can be shared. The add-on is at ultrasound1372/NVDA-IBMTTS-Driver: This progect is to develop and maintain the NVDA IBMTTS driver. This repository is responsible for the x0_personal versions, which are continuing development even after it seems activity from the base repository has stopped.
However, what can't be shared because of legal issues, although many people have access to it, is the required library -- I mean ECI.dll and other *.dll and *.syn files. BTW the add-on (unlike the official release of Eloquence) makes use of extensive and advanced pronunciation dictionaries, and the project is hosted at thunderdrop/IBMTTSDictionaries
I can argue that the add-on is more responsive/crash-proof than the official Eloquence provided by Code Factory, and the addition of the community-driven dictionary makes it quite appealing.

Cheers,
Amir


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

 

To be honest the best vocaliser voices where the originalrealspeak 32 bit voices you get off a jaws 8 cd.

The issue of course is that they are not updated and not 64 bit by default though you can install them.

The payed for voices are not the same but with windows doing weird things to 32 bit voices, and with the ending of the control panel, I suspect that some of the hacks we have gotten to know and love will be going away.

I am sure should we need the control panel we will be able to access it manually even if microsoft hides it from the general public.



On 28/09/2020 3:42 pm, mattias wrote:

sure that some vocalizer voices sounds like a real person but not all of them. some voices sounds metalic

Den 28 september 2020 01:32:47 skrev "Leslie" <soundsofmusic@...>:

Well, I had Elquence for years and I’m sure glad they came out with other voices that sound like an actual person talking. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 3:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

 

It sounds like Eloquence, but it is technically different.  I don't know if

you can get it legally or where you would find it.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Hope Williamson

Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 5:54 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

 

Well it's an eloquence voice. I can't tell you that, or they'll have to

kill me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Pronunciation of phone numbers

George McCoy
 

I used version 2 that ends in (\D). I left the commas in the replacement string. They provide enough of a pause to make the phone number much easier to listen to.


On 9/27/2020 1:31 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
George,

           You're quite welcome.  I'm curious whether you used Luke's "version one" that did not have the backslash capital D at the end, or his "version two" that did?  Also, did you include the commas in your replacement string, and are they giving an adequate pause between the components of the phone number?

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

mattias
 

sure that some vocalizer voices sounds like a real person but not all of them. some voices sounds metalic

Den 28 september 2020 01:32:47 skrev "Leslie" <soundsofmusic@...>:

Well, I had Elquence for years and I’m sure glad they came out with other voices that sound like an actual person talking. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 3:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

 

It sounds like Eloquence, but it is technically different.  I don't know if

you can get it legally or where you would find it.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Hope Williamson

Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 5:54 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

 

Well it's an eloquence voice. I can't tell you that, or they'll have to

kill me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

Gene
 

If you are using the add-on that you pay for and you are using an old version, try the current one. If you still get clicks with that and with the SAPI 5 version, then it is a problem with your system, probably something about your soundcard. Perhaps you are using an enhancement that is causing the problem.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Hope Williamson
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 7:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

I actually like eloquence. The speed and efficiency is unrivaled.
However the clicking is incessant, which drives me crazy!!


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

Gene
 

What is awfully clicky? I've tried the SAPI 5 version and the add-on version of Eloquence. They aren't clicky. I don't know when this was corrected, but for quite awhile, the add-on paid version of Eloquence had a lot of artifacts and I recommended against people using it. But at some point, that was corrected.

As far as if you are discussing a free version of Eloquence, that version is illegal and can't be shared on the list.

Regarding Via Voice, that is an IBM product, or it was. I don't know if IBM still owns it or sold it. I don't know what its legal status is.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Hope Williamson
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 7:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

It's an awfully clicky version of eloquence. Then again so is the paid
version. If you want me to link to it here, I will but I need express
permission.


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

Hope Williamson
 

I actually like eloquence. The speed and efficiency is unrivaled.
However the clicking is incessant, which drives me crazy!!


Re: Pronunciation: Unwanted Dates

Hope Williamson
 

It's an awfully clicky version of eloquence. Then again so is the paid
version. If you want me to link to it here, I will but I need express
permission.

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