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Re: Spelling corrections not displayed when composing a message in Microsoft teams for windows

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


Last week I have tried with a costummer and the result was the same...

Today I have tested and the context menu have worked as expected...

Some changes in Teams itself? I don't know...


Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team


Às 03:13 de 24/09/2020, Luke Robinett escreveu:

Anyone? Just curious if anyone is able to reproduce what I described in this email. Let me know if you need more info. Thanks.

On Sep 21, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Luke Robinett via groups.io <blindgroupsluke=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi folks,

When I am typing a message in Microsoft teams, NVDA announces misspelled words, as expected, but when I hit the right windows key to get the Context menu, I don’t get any spelling suggestions like I would in other Microsoft apps. I will say I attempted this same thing with narrator and encountered the same problem, so it might be an issue with Teams. Just thought I’d see if anyone else has experienced this and if there are any workarounds. Thanks.





Re: Gmail Filter Setup - Specifically, for the NVDA Group Messages

Luke Davis
 

On Wed, 23 Sep 2020, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 10:54 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Because they are labels.
-OK, fine.  If you want to adopt Google's mystery labels as being something real, be my guest.They're an excuse to obfuscate, as this entire discussion
pretty much proves.  They're as clear as mud, and as necessary as a screen door in a submarine. --
Hah. Okay, I think their more like what most other environments would call tags.

I can kind of see it from Google's point of view, having needed to build virtual filesystems a time or two myself.

When all that has really changed is the way you point to something, why go through the compute overhead of moving a potentially large file around?

And if that file needs to be reached from several places at once, why have to keep multiple copies of it? Especially when you serve millions of users, juggling billions of messages, all those little compute savings, disk IO savings, and cache actions add up to dollars.

And speaking of dollars, keep in mind that gmail's initial purpose, other than an ecosystem element, was to make advertising money for Google by allowing them to scan through all mail in gmail, to allow them to better target advertising to their users.
That is made computationally much less taxing, if they can cut down on duplication of data, and the need to compare content against other content to make sure they don't mess up their keyword weighting by having the same identical message processed several times, just because someone has it in multiple folders.

As much as I generally hate Google, I can admit the technical elegance of their solution.

Luke


Re: Mostly used media player with NVDA

 

I use winamp for a lot of things but my chip formats have not changed in ages and ages.

There are a few things that winamp can't play but to be honest most chip stuff I get are remakes and mashups usually in mp3 as well as cross over chips.

I like the interface of the winamp program to.

Winamp is still aparently being developed but with its parent company becoming shoutcast, who knows.

Its not been updated but winamp is on shoutcast's main page as a link, so its  probably a given they havn't given up on it.

However, winamp at least the version going on is wacup, or winamp community project, which is 5.666 with extras.

To be honest though unless someone can revive, and update and add new things to a plugins database winamp is pritty much useless.

The only reason I continue to use winamp is that I have ahd it since 2000 and have built up a stash of plugins and configurations I wanted to use.

On 24/09/2020 11:43 am, JM Casey wrote:
I will often praise foobar for audio playback, but, old habits die hard, and I also use winamp for most audio needs to this day.
That does sound like a good plugin, the variable pitch one...
I don't think it's enough to make anyone switch but it's worth noting that VlC can do this natively/without plugins. Not sure if there is a hotkey pre-set for it though like there is for the compression feature (iE, decreasing speed without changing pitch etc).

I use VLC for video playback, and for some audio formats that Winamp doesn't handle very well (some audio and video formats, Winamp cannot index properly, which means you can't really fast forward or rewind through a track)


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September 23, 2020 5:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mostly used media player with NVDA

I know Winamp is widely used and is accessible. Other players are as well, but I'll let those who use them discuss them. I usually use Winamp. I'll tell you why I use Winamp in general and other list members may describe which players they like.

When using NVDA, you don't have the time marker feature JAWS incorporated for use with Winamp. But there is a utility made by the late Carlos, who is much missed, that will allow you to set time markers with any screen-reader or even without one. It is completely independent of and doesn't require a screen-reader be used.

Then, there is a plugin I use for slowing down or speeding up the speed of material. It doesn't keep the pitch constant, it slows down and speeds up speed as though you were using a variable speed control on a tape recorder or record player. That plugin is very useful to me. I digitized a lot of tapes and my tape recorder was running a little fast. I slow down the speed of the files when I play them in Winamp. They must be certain formats or the plugin doesn't work properly. I know MP3 will work, There may be others but I don't know what works and what doesn't.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Marco Oros
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 3:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Mostly used media player with NVDA

Hello dear NVDA users.

I have a question. Which mediaplayer are You use with NVDA? Which media player is mostly accessible for users of NVDA?

Thank You.

Marco Oros














Re: Gmail Filter Setup - Specifically, for the NVDA Group Messages

 

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 10:54 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Because they are labels.
-

OK, fine.  If you want to adopt Google's mystery labels as being something real, be my guest.

They're an excuse to obfuscate, as this entire discussion pretty much proves.  They're as clear as mud, and as necessary as a screen door in a submarine.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

 

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: Gmail Filter Setup - Specifically, for the NVDA Group Messages

Luke Davis
 

On Wed, 23 Sep 2020, Brian Vogel wrote:

is have a subject contains, using [nvda] as what it contains, and the actions being Skip Inbox and Apply Label where the label is your NVDA label (why Gmail
calls these things labels I'll never quite know, but they're implemented as IMAP folders)
Because they are labels.

Gmail can have real folders (such as All Mail), and virtual folders, which someone has described as "constantly updating search windows". The virtual folders get their contents based on the labels selected, but the mail has to exist in some real folder in order to be searchable and have a label.

That's why deleting a message from its real folder, deletes it from the virtual folder, because the virtual folders (label folders) don't hold any mail.

That's my understanding, anyway.

Luke

--
Thieves respect property. They merely wish the property to become their property that they may more perfectly respect it.


Re: Spelling corrections not displayed when composing a message in Microsoft teams for windows

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Anyone? Just curious if anyone is able to reproduce what I described in this email. Let me know if you need more info. Thanks.

On Sep 21, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Luke Robinett via groups.io <blindgroupsluke=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi folks,

When I am typing a message in Microsoft teams, NVDA announces misspelled words, as expected, but when I hit the right windows key to get the Context menu, I don’t get any spelling suggestions like I would in other Microsoft apps. I will say I attempted this same thing with narrator and encountered the same problem, so it might be an issue with Teams. Just thought I’d see if anyone else has experienced this and if there are any workarounds. Thanks.




Re: Slack for Windows Accessibility

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

I have to agree with the other person who replied. It’s absolutely doable but it’s a bit cumbersome at times. Once you get familiar with its quirks you do get used to it, and ultimately every area of the app is accessible.

On Sep 23, 2020, at 7:07 AM, Dzhovani <dzhovani.chemishanov@...> wrote:



[Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: Typo]

Hi,
The Slack Windows client is fairly usable with lots of hot keys for faster navigation. Those that I use the most are ctrl+k and ctrl+j. It is annoying at moments and never pleasant, but covers my needs and most likely yours.


In-Process is out

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

Lots of little tidbits this week: NVDA 2020.3 Beta 2, the upcoming NVDACon, NV Access is hiring, we ask, "How has NVDA benefitted you?", we present the GSOC report and listen to NVDA in the charts!



Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Mostly used media player with NVDA

Gene
 

I checked. You have to stop play, unselect it, then close the program. Trying to resume play after unselecting it makes the program crash as well as does trying to play a new file. Its an inconvenience but I don't use it much and it’s a minor one for me.

The plugin used to work properly in XP, but not in Windows 7.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 6:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mostly used media player with NVDA

It should be noted that the accessible version of the plugin, the older one,
causes NVDA to crash unless you unselect it before closing the program. I
believe that you have to set it every time you use it, which is an
inconvenience but not a major one.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 6:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mostly used media player with NVDA

I will often praise foobar for audio playback, but, old habits die hard, and
I also use winamp for most audio needs to this day.
That does sound like a good plugin, the variable pitch one...
I don't think it's enough to make anyone switch but it's worth noting that
VlC can do this natively/without plugins. Not sure if there is a hotkey
pre-set for it though like there is for the compression feature (iE,
decreasing speed without changing pitch etc).

I use VLC for video playback, and for some audio formats that Winamp doesn't
handle very well (some audio and video formats, Winamp cannot index
properly, which means you can't really fast forward or rewind through a
track)


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September 23, 2020 5:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mostly used media player with NVDA

I know Winamp is widely used and is accessible. Other players are as well,
but I'll let those who use them discuss them. I usually use Winamp. I'll
tell you why I use Winamp in general and other list members may describe
which players they like.

When using NVDA, you don't have the time marker feature JAWS incorporated
for use with Winamp. But there is a utility made by the late Carlos, who is
much missed, that will allow you to set time markers with any screen-reader
or even without one. It is completely independent of and doesn't require a
screen-reader be used.

Then, there is a plugin I use for slowing down or speeding up the speed of
material. It doesn't keep the pitch constant, it slows down and speeds up
speed as though you were using a variable speed control on a tape recorder
or record player. That plugin is very useful to me. I digitized a lot of
tapes and my tape recorder was running a little fast. I slow down the speed
of the files when I play them in Winamp. They must be certain formats or
the plugin doesn't work properly. I know MP3 will work, There may be
others but I don't know what works and what doesn't.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Marco Oros
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 3:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Mostly used media player with NVDA

Hello dear NVDA users.

I have a question. Which mediaplayer are You use with NVDA? Which media
player is mostly accessible for users of NVDA?

Thank You.

Marco Oros


Re: Mostly used media player with NVDA

Gene
 

It should be noted that the accessible version of the plugin, the older one, causes NVDA to crash unless you unselect it before closing the program. I believe that you have to set it every time you use it, which is an inconvenience but not a major one.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 6:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mostly used media player with NVDA

I will often praise foobar for audio playback, but, old habits die hard, and I also use winamp for most audio needs to this day.
That does sound like a good plugin, the variable pitch one...
I don't think it's enough to make anyone switch but it's worth noting that VlC can do this natively/without plugins. Not sure if there is a hotkey pre-set for it though like there is for the compression feature (iE, decreasing speed without changing pitch etc).

I use VLC for video playback, and for some audio formats that Winamp doesn't handle very well (some audio and video formats, Winamp cannot index properly, which means you can't really fast forward or rewind through a track)


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September 23, 2020 5:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mostly used media player with NVDA

I know Winamp is widely used and is accessible. Other players are as well, but I'll let those who use them discuss them. I usually use Winamp. I'll tell you why I use Winamp in general and other list members may describe which players they like.

When using NVDA, you don't have the time marker feature JAWS incorporated for use with Winamp. But there is a utility made by the late Carlos, who is much missed, that will allow you to set time markers with any screen-reader or even without one. It is completely independent of and doesn't require a screen-reader be used.

Then, there is a plugin I use for slowing down or speeding up the speed of material. It doesn't keep the pitch constant, it slows down and speeds up speed as though you were using a variable speed control on a tape recorder or record player. That plugin is very useful to me. I digitized a lot of tapes and my tape recorder was running a little fast. I slow down the speed of the files when I play them in Winamp. They must be certain formats or the plugin doesn't work properly. I know MP3 will work, There may be others but I don't know what works and what doesn't.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Marco Oros
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 3:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Mostly used media player with NVDA

Hello dear NVDA users.

I have a question. Which mediaplayer are You use with NVDA? Which media player is mostly accessible for users of NVDA?

Thank You.

Marco Oros


Re: Mostly used media player with NVDA

JM Casey
 

I will often praise foobar for audio playback, but, old habits die hard, and I also use winamp for most audio needs to this day.
That does sound like a good plugin, the variable pitch one...
I don't think it's enough to make anyone switch but it's worth noting that VlC can do this natively/without plugins. Not sure if there is a hotkey pre-set for it though like there is for the compression feature (iE, decreasing speed without changing pitch etc).

I use VLC for video playback, and for some audio formats that Winamp doesn't handle very well (some audio and video formats, Winamp cannot index properly, which means you can't really fast forward or rewind through a track)

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September 23, 2020 5:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mostly used media player with NVDA

I know Winamp is widely used and is accessible. Other players are as well, but I'll let those who use them discuss them. I usually use Winamp. I'll tell you why I use Winamp in general and other list members may describe which players they like.

When using NVDA, you don't have the time marker feature JAWS incorporated for use with Winamp. But there is a utility made by the late Carlos, who is much missed, that will allow you to set time markers with any screen-reader or even without one. It is completely independent of and doesn't require a screen-reader be used.

Then, there is a plugin I use for slowing down or speeding up the speed of material. It doesn't keep the pitch constant, it slows down and speeds up speed as though you were using a variable speed control on a tape recorder or record player. That plugin is very useful to me. I digitized a lot of tapes and my tape recorder was running a little fast. I slow down the speed of the files when I play them in Winamp. They must be certain formats or the plugin doesn't work properly. I know MP3 will work, There may be others but I don't know what works and what doesn't.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Marco Oros
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 3:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Mostly used media player with NVDA

Hello dear NVDA users.

I have a question. Which mediaplayer are You use with NVDA? Which media player is mostly accessible for users of NVDA?

Thank You.

Marco Oros


Re: Mostly used media player with NVDA

JM Casey
 

More programmes should have foibles like this one

It does seem to present a challenge for some though, or maybe just ore time than some are willing to put into setup

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amir
Sent: September 23, 2020 5:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mostly used media player with NVDA

 

Greetings. For me -- and many others, it is Foobar2000 all the way. I switched from Winamp which is no longer being developed other than the leaked releases which circulate around to Foobar2000 which is equally low-resource and quite well-maintained. Everything is customizable in Foobar2000 and that might also be its foible as you need to define your hot keys first. But once you do it, you can't be happier. Foobar2000 support is also mentioned in NVDA's manual.

Best,
Amir


Re: Mostly used media player with NVDA

JM Casey
 

I know it's not strictly speaking necessary to use an add-on for VLC to do what I want (except for some of the dialogue boxes), but isn't this addon incompatible with the latest nVDA? Or has it been updated...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio
Sent: September 23, 2020 8:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mostly used media player with NVDA

VLC, and with the VLC Accessibility Enhancement Addon, it's a joy to use!

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

El 23 sep 2020, a la(s) 3:32 a.m., Marco Oros <marco.oros93@gmail.com> escribió:

Hello dear NVDA users.

I have a question. Which mediaplayer are You use with NVDA? Which media player is mostly accessible for users of NVDA?

Thank You.

Marco Oros






Re: Gmail Filter Setup - Specifically, for the NVDA Group Messages

 

Chris,

           In playing with the filtering stuff it appears that if Inbox is one of the labels on a given message, that is the "master copy," because if I delete it from the Inbox it is also removed from all other labels it's associated with at the same time.  So if you have something that has the inbox label and other labels, and you want it to be retained elsewhere, do NOT delete it from inbox, just remove the inbox label.

           All of this presumes you're reading via Gmail webmail.  Heaven only knows how an e-mail client interacting with Gmail would handle this, as I know you can remove the inbox label on the web interface and the message will disappear in your inbox under an e-mail client, but there is no way to selectively nuke "labels" in an e-mail client.

           It would be nice if the labels worked like symbolic links do, and that the message would not be deleted until or unless the last active label is has gets removed from the message or it's deleted from the folder associated with its last label.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Gmail Filter Setup - Specifically, for the NVDA Group Messages

 

Daniel,

           You have to have an error somewhere.  The initial criteria should be only Subject using [nvda] and Doesn't have Private.  The two actions are skip the inbox (archive it) and Apply label with the appropriate label chosen.  If that's not working I cannot explain it and would suggest having a look at these pages, and using your preferred method to contact Google's Disability folks:

Google Accessibility Get In Touch Page

 

Contact the Google Disability Support Team
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: How has NVDA benefitted you during the pandemic

molly the blind tech lover
 

I love the screen curtain too 😀

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Cussick via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 3:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How has NVDA benefitted you during the pandemic

on the back of this, I have used this screen reader since 2006 it was
a bit rough then but I stuck with it. I have used it for shopping zoom
and email at night I like the screen curtain feature and like the fact I use Rh voice on windows and android because of Scottish Alan anyway just thought I might chine in.

On 22/09/2020 23:00, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, David,


NVDA has been my full-time screen reader now since2011. Last year I
did have a 90-dollar subscription for the jaws home license but
decided not to renew it. I watch movies on youtube, listen to music,
shop for books online and email. I'd also like to thank the NV Access
team for all the fine work they do to make NVDA the great screen
reader that it is. It keeps getting better all the time.


Rosemarie



On 9/22/2020 2:54 PM, David Moore wrote:

Like hope says below, I use nvda every day! I have used it 80% of the
time I am on the computer doing many tasks like browsing the internet
for information, using the Microsoft news app in Windows 10, watching
movies, listening to news, and on and on . Nvda is my full time
screen reader now. For the first time in years, I did not renew my
software maintenance agreement for Jaws. Nvda allows me to access the
latest news easily on browsers like brave, Microsoft edge, chrome,
water fox, and many more. Take care guys, and thank you for all you
do to give us a great screen reader that people all over the world can use for free!


On Mon, Sep 21, 2020, 9:15 PM Hope Williamson <webspinner@mail.com
<mailto:webspinner@mail.com>> wrote:

I'm not sure how to answer this question. I've used NVDA full time
since
2016, therefore it continues to benefit me daily.





Re: Gmail Filter Setup - Specifically, for the NVDA Group Messages

Daniel McGee
 

Bryan, sorry for the confusion. When I said that I edited the filter. I basically substituted the: to filled address of this list for  your suggestion: the subject line including the brackets. 

Also, I told the rule to: skip the inbox. Plus apply the conversation's check box and finally to go into my NVDA folder. 

The rule works with incoming messages going into my NVDA folder. However, they still are not skipping my inbox. Thus Having duplicated messages in two locations. 

I hope this makes my setup more clearer to understand.

 wondering, is this the way that gmail behaves now by default?   

On 23 Sep 2020, at 22:41, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Daniel,

           It appears there may be issues with Groups.io messages and Gmail filtering, as there are workarounds that have had to be done with Gmail.  I am having no issues with filtering messages from the [jawsscripts] messages from freelist.org, but the Groups.io NVDA messages are still having the Inbox label applied to them in addition to the label for NVDA Group Messages, even when I say to archive them.  I'm researching further for a possible workaround.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Gmail Filter Setup - Specifically, for the NVDA Group Messages

 

And, now, it appears to be working as I'd expect based on what I offered earlier.  I don't know if a message had come in just before I finished the filter or what, but now the incoming messages (in this case, from me, when I'm posting via the web) are being correctly shuttled to the NVDA Group Messages folder and bypassing inbox.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Gmail Filter Setup - Specifically, for the NVDA Group Messages

 

Daniel,

           It appears there may be issues with Groups.io messages and Gmail filtering, as there are workarounds that have had to be done with Gmail.  I am having no issues with filtering messages from the [jawsscripts] messages from freelist.org, but the Groups.io NVDA messages are still having the Inbox label applied to them in addition to the label for NVDA Group Messages, even when I say to archive them.  I'm researching further for a possible workaround.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Gmail Filter Setup - Specifically, for the NVDA Group Messages

 

Daniel,

           I am confused by your statement "edited the label," as labels are created and assigned to using filters, which are what get edited.   I just created a label under Gmail named NVDA Group Messages.  I then created a filter on subject that has one thing in it:  [nvda].  (open square bracket, lower case nvda, close square bracket) coupled with Does not have: Private.  I do not want messages sent to me as private messages to be grouped in with NVDA group messages.

           The actions are Skip inbox (archive it) and Apply label NVDA Group Messages.   If you want it to apply to email messages you've already received, then you also need to check the checkbox for Also apply filter to matching conversations, otherwise it will be run only on new messages as they arrive.

            It works like a charm.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 

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