First, where do we submit feature requests, not bugs. Do we submit a pull request?
The feature I find using most often, ironically, isn't even an NVDA feature. I use Narrator's scan mode to actually get to inaccessible controls and otherwise for various reasons. I get it that we have object navigation and the review cursor and otherwise, but how hard would it be to replace object review with scan mode?
If not replace, what about just adding it in, period? That being said,
where do I go to make this suggestion? Do I file a pull request? I thought those were only for bugs.

I would, except you never told us what it is, and some of us might not find it of interest.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:51 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA does not read thunderbird 68.6.0 headers of messages

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 01:32 PM, Gary Greico wrote:

NVDA is terrible now, I went back to jaws.

Fine.   No screen reader is 100% perfect for every task any given user might need to perform.  That's a fact and that's why one should always have the ability to use the basics, at least, of several screen readers.

The fact that NVDA has this tiny problem does not make it "terrible now" for the vast majority of its users.  GitHub also gives any NVDA user a direct communication link with the NVDA development teams to report bugs or make feature requests.

The idea that any one screen reader will, at any given moment, be "all things to all users," is unsupportable.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 07:29 AM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

However, the list of features in the recommend addon doesn't seem to include a headers fix.

I'd definitely try contacting the writer of said add-on with a feature request, as clearly it appears that the base code exists and adding to it is in all likelihood fairly easy for additional fields.

I very seldom need to look at message header contents (which is not to say that this should be the case for anyone else) but I tend to use "View Source" and just search when I do.

When playing with NVDA in Thunderbird using the View All setting for headers, along with the Focus Highlight add-on, it looks like NVDA is staying in focus mode on all items as I go through the headers and I can't get it to switch over to browse mode or read the actual header content, just the header label.  I am uncertain as to whether this is an NVDA issue or a Thunderbird issue.
 
--

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Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

Hi Isaac

I saw a message on the list re SpeakOn and have downloaded it and I am extremely impressed with it’s functionality and ease of use.  There are a few minor annoyances which you may or may not be able to do anything about but I thought I would seek your opinion regarding them.

Firstly, I am using Windows 10 and set up the desktop shortcut to run as administrator to avoid the UAC allow this software etc window but unfortunately, 3 of the 4 levels of UAC  security trigger a different UAC message “Do you want to allow this app from an unknown publisher to make changes to your device?”.  The only way around this is to turn UAC security off altogether, which also obviates the “run as admin” requirement.  Is it possible to get the software certificated in some way to avoid this message?        

Secondly, when reading an audio book, is there any way to suppress the announcement of the file names as it moves through the files making up the book?  Similarly when playing Music tracks in an album or playlist?

Thirdly, this is a last minute discovery, so may be covered in the manual and I have missed it.  When trying to add an RNIB flash drive containing 3 Daisy books to the Audio Book library, I had to insert another folder level via windows to the flash drive to allow me to select it and add it’s contents to the Audio Book library.  When I restarted the task and initiated the Add/Library Audio Books Remove folder locations from the Settings sub-menu, The flash drive folder structure was the same as it was before I inserted the additional folder level.  Is there a way to refresh the folder tree view without having  to restart the app?       

Cheers

Chris

Hi

More information on SpeakOn based on questions on this thread and others.

SpeakOn home page is at:

http://www.speakon.org.uk/SpeakOn.html

You will find information on the media types its support, links to the

docs and mailing list.

The tutorials produced by David Griffith recently found somewhere else

on this thread are excellent.

Although the latest version was released in 2016 with one minor

exception everything works and there are know known bugs.

SpeakOn supports English only and does not support Braille.

It does not support PDF either.

It is recommended by RNIB in the UK for reading their audio books in

Daisy; SpeakOn supports Daisy 2 used mostly (I think) in Europe. It does

not support Daisy 3 in the US.

Being developed in the UK it supports RNIB newspapers and magazines in

test (epub) and audio.

It supports the epub format generally.

It does not support DRM as used mostly in the US

The NVDA SpeakOn add-on is not necessary to use it but makes sure that

NVDA does not speakOn when SpeakOn has the focus; it does not speak much

anyway and I shall release an updated version of this add-on soon to

this list.

Regards

Isaac Porat

SpeakOn's developer

On 24/03/2020 19:48, Mallard wrote:

> Hello,

> 

> 

> I have one question. Does it support Braille?

> 

> 

> Thanks,

> 

> Ciao,

> 

> Ollie

> 

> 

> 

> 

> On 24/03/2020 19:04, Daniel Damacena wrote:

>> 

>> Could you send me a link for this?

>> 

>> I am amazed by your description!

>> 

>> Can it read pdf files?

>> 

>> Thank you!

>> 

>> Em 21/03/2020 22:38, David Griffith escreveu:

>>> 

>>> I know I am biased because I have done a podcast series on this

>>> fantastic app but for me the best accessible ePub Book    reader on

>>> a  PC , either paid, or free , remains by a country mile remains the

>>> free Speak On Media Suite.

>>> 

>>> I am continually amazed it is never ever mentioned as an accessible

>>> option for reading ePub books.

>>> 

>>> Just to mention a few of its features.

>>> 

>>> Customisation of book reading voice including on the fly adjustment

>>> of reading volume and speed  of narration whilst reading a book

>>> through hotkeys. I know of no other book reader which does this.

>>> 

>>> Able to easily navigate through a book by chapter structure ,

>>> headings, 50 lines, paragraph, sentence line word or character.

>>> 

>>> Ability to easily set markers in text of ePub books and copy and

>>> paste this text out of Speak On into a Word Processor.

>>> 

>>> Alternatively control a and control c will copy the chapter as text.

>>> 

>>> Ability to get single key press on book location and information.

>>> 

>>> Ability to resume reading from last position read on any book even

>>> if file location has changed.

>>> 

>>> Bookmark management  - ability to set and delete bookmarks.

>>> 

>>> It even has a virtual book creation function based on a search term

>>> which is incredibly  useful for study purposes.

>>> 

>>> Suppose you have a long academic book you need to search through to

>>> study a topic, you can in Speak On define a search term and Speak On

>>> will produce a smaller "virtual eBook” which will consists only of

>>> the chapters which contain the key phrase or terms in your defined

>>> search pattern. Again I know of no other accessible eBook reader

>>> which contains this feature.

>>> 

>>> David Griffith

>>> 

>>> Just to mention just a few of the features.

>>> 

>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

>>> Windows 10

>>> 

>>> *From: *Jason White via Groups.Io <mailto:jason@...>

>>> *Sent: *22 March 2020 00:25

>>> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] Q Read alternative

>>> 

>>> Another option is to install Thorium Reader from the Microsoft

>>> Store. It supports EPUB books. Bookshare can be set so that it

>>> provides downloads in EPUB format.

>>> 

>>> *From: *<nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Robert Kingett

>>> <kingettr@...>

>>> *Reply-To: *<nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>> *Date: *Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 09:26

>>> *To: *<nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>> *Subject: *[nvda] Q Read alternative

>>> 

>>> I wanted to share an open source Q Read alternative called Bookworm.

>>> It does not have bookshare support yet, nor does it support links,

>>> and headings, or tables, but still. It's a free option. The main

>>> website is below, where you can also read the manual.

>>> 

>>> I'm adding this to the accessible apps github page when I have a

>>> moment.

>>> 

>>> https://mush42.github.io/bookworm/

>>> 

>> 

> 

>

> 

> 

The answer again, is no. So upgrade or get left behind. If you don't want ot do that, then may the spyware  and beeing left in the dust be on your head.

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On 26 Mar 2020, at 4:10, zahra wrote:

hi,
thanks for your message.
for several reasons, nvda 2017.3 is the best version and even 2017.2
works very well, and they work very perfect for my need.
but, two or three items which are included in newer versions of nvda,
i wish to backported to nvda 2017.3, not only for myself, but for the
benefit of all users of this versions like me!
if someone wants to help me in this regard, please email me!
God bless you everyone!

On 3/24/20, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, Zahra, why you don’t update your operating system and the NVDA to the
latest versions to solve all your compatibility problems instead of asking
support of the old software, you should use the new and fresh peace of
software to avoid all the security risks

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
andWindows XP support requests: no more, period

hi joseph.
as i mentioned in my emails, i only need two or three fixed in newer
versions of nvda for backporting to the supported versions of nvda on
xp.
and i promise that my request does not cause nvda crashing or
unresponsiveness in any version of windows!
my requests are only specific for firefox and contains important fixes
which i am sure benefits everyone.

On 3/23/20, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,



First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone listen
to
advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19, including public health
officials recommending folks to exercise social distancing for a while.
Even
if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands, practice
social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the pandemic and
community spread. And since the NVDA community is a global movement,
please
support each other.



Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests about
NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included making
add-ons
compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility issues, and backporting
newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users of NVDA 2017.3, the last
version
compatible with Windows XP.



At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows XP,
with
many people  asking others to upgrade to newer Windows releases. But as
an
individual add-on author and a contributor to NVDA screen reader project,
I
would like to take this time to make the following personal announcement:



Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the
following
for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, "sorry, no more,
period."
These include:



*    Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and
Server 2008
*    Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you
knowingly install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier
*    Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA
2017.3
*    Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows
XP/Server 2003/Vista/Server 2008 users



Most importantly, I will flatly say "no" if you ask me privately to ask
NV
Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support. Many features
introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported for various
reasons,
including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error announcement, for
example),
incompatibility with Python 2 (broader Unicode support, for example),
features that will not work properly with XP (screen curtain, for
example),
support for apps no longer recommended for wider use (outlook Express,
for
example), and broad changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor
and multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors
have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I'm
either
maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them support NVDA
2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.



My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so that you
can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement as an
individual
developer to sink in. Note that I'm not speaking on behalf of other
developers - others have their own policies regarding support for Windows
XP. NV Access does provide a download link for NVDA 2017.3, the last
version
compatible with Windows XP.



I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I wanted
folks
to understand that end of support means end of support, and I understand
that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and software releases
(including moving to newer Windows releases), I felt it is time to make a
bold statement and say "no" to Windows XP support. In the past, I did
note
on various NVDA forums that my add-ons will not and does not support
Windows
XP, but didn't announce a statement like this then, hoping that folks
will
understand the reality at last. But alas, it is time to officially close
the
doors to Windows XP support from my end - once again, this is an
individual
developer saying this, not on behalf of the community at large, knowing
that
others will make statements on their own.



Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

hi.
did you read my explanation about american accent and i cant use newer
versions of nvda, even if i can use newer version of windows, because
of the lack of american accent with my native language?!
also, i studied hundreds of issues and realized that 2017.3 is the
best and even 2017.2 is great,

only two fixes! between hundreds of issues! which are in newer
versions of nvda that i need.

On 3/26/20, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, Zara,


We're not trying to judge or make fun of you. I'm sure there has to be
some kind of organization in Iran where you can get a new or refurvished
computer. You may not be able to afford a brand-new computer but I'm
sure there are organizations that will help you to get a refurvished
computer with windows 10. We have all told you numerous times that you
shouldn't stay with a system that's no longer supported.


Rosemarie



On 3/26/2020 8:25 AM, zahra wrote:

i live in Iran.
numerous sanctions and expensive prices.
i really cant use newer versions because of the lack for english US
accent even if i can use newer windows.
i really cant understand UK english and i get headache, but, i can
even read hundreds of pages of english books with american accent!
i am very sad, because people judge other people whome dont know about
there needs, situations and conditions!

On 3/26/20, ely.r@comcast.net <ely.r@comcast.net> wrote:

Haret
Thanks for posting this. Joseph, Thanks for keeping unbendable about
this
request, and know that we users are strongly behind you and any other
developers that are pushed to back port or rewrite code for systems that
are
no longer supported.

Zara, there are some good options for replacing your entire computer
setup
at a very small cost. If you hope to continue to rely on a computer for
one
of your connections to the world, it is past time to give up "Old
Faithful"
and move on.

I live in Massachusetts, and though my current system is still useable, I
am
about to replace it. Our regional Commission for the Blind AT specialist
has
already asked if I will donate my current system. He will refurbish it,
remove all my data, and prepare it for another user. Not knowing where
you
live or your circumstances, these options may b available to you. Rather
than using energy to ask for reverse engineering, why not ask this
incredible list for ideas that will help you get a fresh tech start?
Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and
Windows XP support requests: no more, period

Hi Joseph,
Don't waste your time. People was advising her for years now , getting
Same
respond, She just comes back with the same, and emphasize more and more.

On 3/26/20, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
I told the community, but let me remind you again: NO, NO, NO! Yes,
I'm angry, and yes, I mean it: please do not ask the community to
email you about feature backports, as that will not happen. Sorry -
case
closed.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

hi,
thanks for your message.
for several reasons, nvda 2017.3 is the best version and even 2017.2
works very well, and they work very perfect for my need.
but, two or three items which are included in newer versions of nvda,
i wish to backported to nvda 2017.3, not only for myself, but for the
benefit of all users of this versions like me!
if someone wants to help me in this regard, please email me!
God bless you everyone!

On 3/24/20, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, Zahra, why you don’t update your operating system and the NVDA to
the latest versions to solve all your compatibility problems instead
of asking support of the old software, you should use the new and
fresh peace of software to avoid all the security risks

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
andWindows XP support requests: no more, period

hi joseph.
as i mentioned in my emails, i only need two or three fixed in newer
versions of nvda for backporting to the supported versions of nvda on
xp.
and i promise that my request does not cause nvda crashing or
unresponsiveness in any version of windows!
my requests are only specific for firefox and contains important
fixes which i am sure benefits everyone.

On 3/23/20, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,



First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone
listen to advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19,
including public health officials recommending folks to exercise
social distancing for a while.
Even
if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands,
practice social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the
pandemic and community spread. And since the NVDA community is a
global movement, please support each other.



Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests
about NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included
making add-ons compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility
issues, and backporting newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users
of NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows
XP, with many people asking others to upgrade to newer Windows
releases. But as an individual add-on author and a contributor to
NVDA screen reader project, I would like to take this time to make
the following personal announcement:



Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the
following for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, "sorry,
no more, period."
These include:



* Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and
Server 2008
* Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you
knowingly install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier
* Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA
2017.3
* Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows
XP/Server 2003/Vista/Server 2008 users



Most importantly, I will flatly say "no" if you ask me privately to
ask NV Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support.
Many features introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported
for various reasons, including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error
announcement, for example), incompatibility with Python 2 (broader
Unicode support, for example), features that will not work properly
with XP (screen curtain, for example), support for apps no longer
recommended for wider use (outlook Express, for example), and broad
changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor and
multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors
have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I'm
either maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them
support NVDA
2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.



My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so
that you can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement
as an individual developer to sink in. Note that I'm not speaking on
behalf of other developers - others have their own policies
regarding support for Windows XP. NV Access does provide a download
link for NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I
wanted folks to understand that end of support means end of support,
and I understand that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and
software releases (including moving to newer Windows releases), I
felt it is time to make a bold statement and say "no" to Windows XP
support. In the past, I did note on various NVDA forums that my
add-ons will not and does not support Windows XP, but didn't
announce a statement like this then, hoping that folks will
understand the reality at last. But alas, it is time to officially
close the doors to Windows XP support from my end - once again, this
is an individual developer saying this, not on behalf of the
community at large, knowing that others will make statements on their
own.



Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Hi, Zara,


We're not trying to judge or make fun of you. I'm sure there has to be
some kind of organization in Iran where you can get a new or refurvished
computer. You may not be able to afford a brand-new computer but I'm
sure there are organizations that will help you to get a refurvished
computer with windows 10. We have all told you numerous times that you
shouldn't stay with a system that's no longer supported.


Rosemarie



On 3/26/2020 8:25 AM, zahra wrote:

i live in Iran.
numerous sanctions and expensive prices.
i really cant use newer versions because of the lack for english US
accent even if i can use newer windows.
i really cant understand UK english and i get headache, but, i can
even read hundreds of pages of english books with american accent!
i am very sad, because people judge other people whome dont know about
there needs, situations and conditions!

On 3/26/20, ely.r@comcast.net <ely.r@comcast.net> wrote:

Haret
Thanks for posting this. Joseph, Thanks for keeping unbendable about
this
request, and know that we users are strongly behind you and any other
developers that are pushed to back port or rewrite code for systems that
are
no longer supported.

Zara, there are some good options for replacing your entire computer
setup
at a very small cost. If you hope to continue to rely on a computer for
one
of your connections to the world, it is past time to give up "Old
Faithful"
and move on.

I live in Massachusetts, and though my current system is still useable, I
am
about to replace it. Our regional Commission for the Blind AT specialist
has
already asked if I will donate my current system. He will refurbish it,
remove all my data, and prepare it for another user. Not knowing where
you
live or your circumstances, these options may b available to you. Rather
than using energy to ask for reverse engineering, why not ask this
incredible list for ideas that will help you get a fresh tech start?
Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and
Windows XP support requests: no more, period

Hi Joseph,
Don't waste your time. People was advising her for years now , getting
Same
respond, She just comes back with the same, and emphasize more and more.

On 3/26/20, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
I told the community, but let me remind you again: NO, NO, NO! Yes,
I'm angry, and yes, I mean it: please do not ask the community to
email you about feature backports, as that will not happen. Sorry -
case
closed.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

hi,
thanks for your message.
for several reasons, nvda 2017.3 is the best version and even 2017.2
works very well, and they work very perfect for my need.
but, two or three items which are included in newer versions of nvda,
i wish to backported to nvda 2017.3, not only for myself, but for the
benefit of all users of this versions like me!
if someone wants to help me in this regard, please email me!
God bless you everyone!

On 3/24/20, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, Zahra, why you don’t update your operating system and the NVDA to
the latest versions to solve all your compatibility problems instead
of asking support of the old software, you should use the new and
fresh peace of software to avoid all the security risks

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
andWindows XP support requests: no more, period

hi joseph.
as i mentioned in my emails, i only need two or three fixed in newer
versions of nvda for backporting to the supported versions of nvda on
xp.
and i promise that my request does not cause nvda crashing or
unresponsiveness in any version of windows!
my requests are only specific for firefox and contains important
fixes which i am sure benefits everyone.

On 3/23/20, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,



First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone
listen to advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19,
including public health officials recommending folks to exercise
social distancing for a while.
Even
if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands,
practice social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the
pandemic and community spread. And since the NVDA community is a
global movement, please support each other.



Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests
about NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included
making add-ons compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility
issues, and backporting newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users
of NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows
XP, with many people asking others to upgrade to newer Windows
releases. But as an individual add-on author and a contributor to
NVDA screen reader project, I would like to take this time to make
the following personal announcement:



Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the
following for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, "sorry,
no more, period."
These include:



* Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and
Server 2008
* Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you
knowingly install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier
* Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA
2017.3
* Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows
XP/Server 2003/Vista/Server 2008 users



Most importantly, I will flatly say "no" if you ask me privately to
ask NV Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support.
Many features introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported
for various reasons, including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error
announcement, for example), incompatibility with Python 2 (broader
Unicode support, for example), features that will not work properly
with XP (screen curtain, for example), support for apps no longer
recommended for wider use (outlook Express, for example), and broad
changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor and
multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors
have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I'm
either maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them
support NVDA
2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.



My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so
that you can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement
as an individual developer to sink in. Note that I'm not speaking on
behalf of other developers - others have their own policies
regarding support for Windows XP. NV Access does provide a download
link for NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I
wanted folks to understand that end of support means end of support,
and I understand that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and
software releases (including moving to newer Windows releases), I
felt it is time to make a bold statement and say "no" to Windows XP
support. In the past, I did note on various NVDA forums that my
add-ons will not and does not support Windows XP, but didn't
announce a statement like this then, hoping that folks will
understand the reality at last. But alas, it is time to officially
close the doors to Windows XP support from my end - once again, this
is an individual developer saying this, not on behalf of the
community at large, knowing that others will make statements on their
own.



Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Hi

More information on SpeakOn based on questions on this thread and others.

SpeakOn home page is at:

http://www.speakon.org.uk/SpeakOn.html

You will find information on the media types its support, links to the

docs and mailing list.

The tutorials produced by David Griffith recently found somewhere else

on this thread are excellent.

Although the latest version was released in 2016 with one minor

exception everything works and there are know known bugs.

SpeakOn supports English only and does not support Braille.

It does not support PDF either.

It is recommended by RNIB in the UK for reading their audio books in

Daisy; SpeakOn supports Daisy 2 used mostly (I think) in Europe. It does

not support Daisy 3 in the US.

Being developed in the UK it supports RNIB newspapers and magazines in

test (epub) and audio.

It supports the epub format generally.

It does not support DRM as used mostly in the US

The NVDA SpeakOn add-on is not necessary to use it but makes sure that

NVDA does not speakOn when SpeakOn has the focus; it does not speak much

anyway and I shall release an updated version of this add-on soon to

this list.

Regards

Isaac Porat

SpeakOn's developer

On 24/03/2020 19:48, Mallard wrote:

> Hello,

> 

> 

> I have one question. Does it support Braille?

> 

> 

> Thanks,

> 

> Ciao,

> 

> Ollie

> 

> 

> 

> 

> On 24/03/2020 19:04, Daniel Damacena wrote:

>> 

>> Could you send me a link for this?

>> 

>> I am amazed by your description!

>> 

>> Can it read pdf files?

>> 

>> Thank you!

>> 

>> Em 21/03/2020 22:38, David Griffith escreveu:

>>> 

>>> I know I am biased because I have done a podcast series on this

>>> fantastic app but for me the best accessible ePub Book    reader on

>>> a  PC , either paid, or free , remains by a country mile remains the

>>> free Speak On Media Suite.

>>> 

>>> I am continually amazed it is never ever mentioned as an accessible

>>> option for reading ePub books.

>>> 

>>> Just to mention a few of its features.

>>> 

>>> Customisation of book reading voice including on the fly adjustment

>>> of reading volume and speed  of narration whilst reading a book

>>> through hotkeys. I know of no other book reader which does this.

>>> 

>>> Able to easily navigate through a book by chapter structure ,

>>> headings, 50 lines, paragraph, sentence line word or character.

>>> 

>>> Ability to easily set markers in text of ePub books and copy and

>>> paste this text out of Speak On into a Word Processor.

>>> 

>>> Alternatively control a and control c will copy the chapter as text.

>>> 

>>> Ability to get single key press on book location and information.

>>> 

>>> Ability to resume reading from last position read on any book even

>>> if file location has changed.

>>> 

>>> Bookmark management  - ability to set and delete bookmarks.

>>> 

>>> It even has a virtual book creation function based on a search term

>>> which is incredibly  useful for study purposes.

>>> 

>>> Suppose you have a long academic book you need to search through to

>>> study a topic, you can in Speak On define a search term and Speak On

>>> will produce a smaller "virtual eBook” which will consists only of

>>> the chapters which contain the key phrase or terms in your defined

>>> search pattern. Again I know of no other accessible eBook reader

>>> which contains this feature.

>>> 

>>> David Griffith

>>> 

>>> Just to mention just a few of the features.

>>> 

>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

>>> Windows 10

>>> 

>>> *From: *Jason White via Groups.Io <mailto:jason@...>

>>> *Sent: *22 March 2020 00:25

>>> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] Q Read alternative

>>> 

>>> Another option is to install Thorium Reader from the Microsoft

>>> Store. It supports EPUB books. Bookshare can be set so that it

>>> provides downloads in EPUB format.

>>> 

>>> *From: *<nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Robert Kingett

>>> <kingettr@...>

>>> *Reply-To: *<nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>> *Date: *Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 09:26

>>> *To: *<nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>> *Subject: *[nvda] Q Read alternative

>>> 

>>> I wanted to share an open source Q Read alternative called Bookworm.

>>> It does not have bookshare support yet, nor does it support links,

>>> and headings, or tables, but still. It's a free option. The main

>>> website is below, where you can also read the manual.

>>> 

>>> I'm adding this to the accessible apps github page when I have a

>>> moment.

>>> 

>>> https://mush42.github.io/bookworm/

>>> 

>> 

> 

>

> 

> 

i live in Iran.
numerous sanctions and expensive prices.
i really cant use newer versions because of the lack for english US
accent even if i can use newer windows.
i really cant understand UK english and i get headache, but, i can
even read hundreds of pages of english books with american accent!
i am very sad, because people judge other people whome dont know about
there needs, situations and conditions!

On 3/26/20, ely.r@comcast.net <ely.r@comcast.net> wrote:

Haret
Thanks for posting this. Joseph, Thanks for keeping unbendable about this
request, and know that we users are strongly behind you and any other
developers that are pushed to back port or rewrite code for systems that are
no longer supported.

Zara, there are some good options for replacing your entire computer setup
at a very small cost. If you hope to continue to rely on a computer for one
of your connections to the world, it is past time to give up "Old Faithful"
and move on.

I live in Massachusetts, and though my current system is still useable, I am
about to replace it. Our regional Commission for the Blind AT specialist has
already asked if I will donate my current system. He will refurbish it,
remove all my data, and prepare it for another user. Not knowing where you
live or your circumstances, these options may b available to you. Rather
than using energy to ask for reverse engineering, why not ask this
incredible list for ideas that will help you get a fresh tech start?
Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and
Windows XP support requests: no more, period

Hi Joseph,
Don't waste your time. People was advising her for years now , getting Same
respond, She just comes back with the same, and emphasize more and more.

On 3/26/20, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
I told the community, but let me remind you again: NO, NO, NO! Yes,
I'm angry, and yes, I mean it: please do not ask the community to
email you about feature backports, as that will not happen. Sorry - case
closed.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

hi,
thanks for your message.
for several reasons, nvda 2017.3 is the best version and even 2017.2
works very well, and they work very perfect for my need.
but, two or three items which are included in newer versions of nvda,
i wish to backported to nvda 2017.3, not only for myself, but for the
benefit of all users of this versions like me!
if someone wants to help me in this regard, please email me!
God bless you everyone!

On 3/24/20, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, Zahra, why you don’t update your operating system and the NVDA to
the latest versions to solve all your compatibility problems instead
of asking support of the old software, you should use the new and
fresh peace of software to avoid all the security risks

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
andWindows XP support requests: no more, period

hi joseph.
as i mentioned in my emails, i only need two or three fixed in newer
versions of nvda for backporting to the supported versions of nvda on
xp.
and i promise that my request does not cause nvda crashing or
unresponsiveness in any version of windows!
my requests are only specific for firefox and contains important
fixes which i am sure benefits everyone.

On 3/23/20, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,



First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone
listen to advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19,
including public health officials recommending folks to exercise
social distancing for a while.
Even
if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands,
practice social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the
pandemic and community spread. And since the NVDA community is a
global movement, please support each other.



Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests
about NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included
making add-ons compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility
issues, and backporting newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users
of NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows
XP, with many people asking others to upgrade to newer Windows
releases. But as an individual add-on author and a contributor to
NVDA screen reader project, I would like to take this time to make
the following personal announcement:



Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the
following for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, "sorry,
no more, period."
These include:



* Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and
Server 2008
* Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you
knowingly install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier
* Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA
2017.3
* Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows
XP/Server 2003/Vista/Server 2008 users



Most importantly, I will flatly say "no" if you ask me privately to
ask NV Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support.
Many features introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported
for various reasons, including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error
announcement, for example), incompatibility with Python 2 (broader
Unicode support, for example), features that will not work properly
with XP (screen curtain, for example), support for apps no longer
recommended for wider use (outlook Express, for example), and broad
changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor and
multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors
have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I'm
either maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them
support NVDA
2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.



My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so
that you can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement
as an individual developer to sink in. Note that I'm not speaking on
behalf of other developers - others have their own policies
regarding support for Windows XP. NV Access does provide a download
link for NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I
wanted folks to understand that end of support means end of support,
and I understand that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and
software releases (including moving to newer Windows releases), I
felt it is time to make a bold statement and say "no" to Windows XP
support. In the past, I did note on various NVDA forums that my
add-ons will not and does not support Windows XP, but didn't
announce a statement like this then, hoping that folks will
understand the reality at last. But alas, it is time to officially
close the doors to Windows XP support from my end - once again, this
is an individual developer saying this, not on behalf of the
community at large, knowing that others will make statements on their
own.



Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Haret
Thanks for posting this. Joseph, Thanks for keeping unbendable about this
request, and know that we users are strongly behind you and any other
developers that are pushed to back port or rewrite code for systems that are
no longer supported.

Zara, there are some good options for replacing your entire computer setup
at a very small cost. If you hope to continue to rely on a computer for one
of your connections to the world, it is past time to give up "Old Faithful"
and move on.

I live in Massachusetts, and though my current system is still useable, I am
about to replace it. Our regional Commission for the Blind AT specialist has
already asked if I will donate my current system. He will refurbish it,
remove all my data, and prepare it for another user. Not knowing where you
live or your circumstances, these options may b available to you. Rather
than using energy to ask for reverse engineering, why not ask this
incredible list for ideas that will help you get a fresh tech start?
Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and
Windows XP support requests: no more, period

Hi Joseph,
Don't waste your time. People was advising her for years now , getting Same
respond, She just comes back with the same, and emphasize more and more.

On 3/26/20, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
I told the community, but let me remind you again: NO, NO, NO! Yes,
I'm angry, and yes, I mean it: please do not ask the community to
email you about feature backports, as that will not happen. Sorry - case
closed.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

hi,
thanks for your message.
for several reasons, nvda 2017.3 is the best version and even 2017.2
works very well, and they work very perfect for my need.
but, two or three items which are included in newer versions of nvda,
i wish to backported to nvda 2017.3, not only for myself, but for the
benefit of all users of this versions like me!
if someone wants to help me in this regard, please email me!
God bless you everyone!

On 3/24/20, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, Zahra, why you don’t update your operating system and the NVDA to
the latest versions to solve all your compatibility problems instead
of asking support of the old software, you should use the new and
fresh peace of software to avoid all the security risks

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
andWindows XP support requests: no more, period

hi joseph.
as i mentioned in my emails, i only need two or three fixed in newer
versions of nvda for backporting to the supported versions of nvda on
xp.
and i promise that my request does not cause nvda crashing or
unresponsiveness in any version of windows!
my requests are only specific for firefox and contains important
fixes which i am sure benefits everyone.

On 3/23/20, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,



First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone
listen to advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19,
including public health officials recommending folks to exercise
social distancing for a while.
Even
if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands,
practice social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the
pandemic and community spread. And since the NVDA community is a
global movement, please support each other.



Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests
about NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included
making add-ons compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility
issues, and backporting newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users
of NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows
XP, with many people asking others to upgrade to newer Windows
releases. But as an individual add-on author and a contributor to
NVDA screen reader project, I would like to take this time to make
the following personal announcement:



Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the
following for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, "sorry,
no more, period."
These include:



* Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and
Server 2008
* Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you
knowingly install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier
* Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA
2017.3
* Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows
XP/Server 2003/Vista/Server 2008 users



Most importantly, I will flatly say "no" if you ask me privately to
ask NV Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support.
Many features introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported
for various reasons, including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error
announcement, for example), incompatibility with Python 2 (broader
Unicode support, for example), features that will not work properly
with XP (screen curtain, for example), support for apps no longer
recommended for wider use (outlook Express, for example), and broad
changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor and
multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors
have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I'm
either maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them
support NVDA
2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.



My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so
that you can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement
as an individual developer to sink in. Note that I'm not speaking on
behalf of other developers - others have their own policies
regarding support for Windows XP. NV Access does provide a download
link for NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I
wanted folks to understand that end of support means end of support,
and I understand that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and
software releases (including moving to newer Windows releases), I
felt it is time to make a bold statement and say "no" to Windows XP
support. In the past, I did note on various NVDA forums that my
add-ons will not and does not support Windows XP, but didn't
announce a statement like this then, hoping that folks will
understand the reality at last. But alas, it is time to officially
close the doors to Windows XP support from my end - once again, this
is an individual developer saying this, not on behalf of the
community at large, knowing that others will make statements on their
own.



Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali