Hi,
I told the community, but let me remind you again: NO, NO, NO! Yes, I'm
angry, and yes, I mean it: please do not ask the community to email you
about feature backports, as that will not happen. Sorry - case closed.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and
Windows XP support requests: no more, period

hi,
thanks for your message.
for several reasons, nvda 2017.3 is the best version and even 2017.2 works
very well, and they work very perfect for my need.
but, two or three items which are included in newer versions of nvda, i wish
to backported to nvda 2017.3, not only for myself, but for the benefit of
all users of this versions like me!
if someone wants to help me in this regard, please email me!
God bless you everyone!

On 3/24/20, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, Zahra, why you don’t update your operating system and the NVDA to
the latest versions to solve all your compatibility problems instead
of asking support of the old software, you should use the new and
fresh peace of software to avoid all the security risks

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
andWindows XP support requests: no more, period

hi joseph.
as i mentioned in my emails, i only need two or three fixed in newer
versions of nvda for backporting to the supported versions of nvda on
xp.
and i promise that my request does not cause nvda crashing or
unresponsiveness in any version of windows!
my requests are only specific for firefox and contains important fixes
which i am sure benefits everyone.

On 3/23/20, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,



First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone
listen to advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19, including
public health officials recommending folks to exercise social
distancing for a while.
Even
if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands,
practice social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the
pandemic and community spread. And since the NVDA community is a
global movement, please support each other.



Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests
about NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included
making add-ons compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility
issues, and backporting newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users of
NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows
XP, with many people asking others to upgrade to newer Windows
releases. But as an individual add-on author and a contributor to
NVDA screen reader project, I would like to take this time to make
the following personal announcement:



Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the
following for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, "sorry,
no more, period."
These include:



* Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and
Server 2008
* Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you
knowingly install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier
* Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA
2017.3
* Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows
XP/Server 2003/Vista/Server 2008 users



Most importantly, I will flatly say "no" if you ask me privately to
ask NV Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support. Many
features introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported for
various reasons, including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error
announcement, for example), incompatibility with Python 2 (broader
Unicode support, for example), features that will not work properly
with XP (screen curtain, for example), support for apps no longer
recommended for wider use (outlook Express, for example), and broad
changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor and
multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors
have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I'm
either maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them
support NVDA
2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.



My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so that
you can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement as an
individual developer to sink in. Note that I'm not speaking on behalf
of other developers - others have their own policies regarding
support for Windows XP. NV Access does provide a download link for
NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I
wanted folks to understand that end of support means end of support,
and I understand that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and
software releases (including moving to newer Windows releases), I
felt it is time to make a bold statement and say "no" to Windows XP
support. In the past, I did note on various NVDA forums that my
add-ons will not and does not support Windows XP, but didn't announce
a statement like this then, hoping that folks will understand the
reality at last. But alas, it is time to officially close the doors
to Windows XP support from my end - once again, this is an individual
developer saying this, not on behalf of the community at large,
knowing that others will make statements on their own.



Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Hello everyone,

Hi, Zahra, why you don’t update your operating system and the NVDA to
the latest versions to solve all your compatibility problems instead
of asking support of the old software, you should use the new and
fresh peace of software to avoid all the security risks

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
andWindows XP support requests: no more, period

hi joseph.
as i mentioned in my emails, i only need two or three fixed in newer
versions of nvda for backporting to the supported versions of nvda on
xp.
and i promise that my request does not cause nvda crashing or
unresponsiveness in any version of windows!
my requests are only specific for firefox and contains important fixes
which i am sure benefits everyone.

On 3/23/20, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,



First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone
listen to advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19, including
public health officials recommending folks to exercise social
distancing for a while.
Even
if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands,
practice social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the
pandemic and community spread. And since the NVDA community is a
global movement, please support each other.



Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests
about NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included
making add-ons compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility
issues, and backporting newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users of
NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows
XP, with many people asking others to upgrade to newer Windows
releases. But as an individual add-on author and a contributor to
NVDA screen reader project, I would like to take this time to make
the following personal announcement:



Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the
following for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, "sorry,
no more, period."
These include:



* Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and
Server 2008
* Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you
knowingly install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier
* Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA
2017.3
* Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows
XP/Server 2003/Vista/Server 2008 users



Most importantly, I will flatly say "no" if you ask me privately to
ask NV Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support. Many
features introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported for
various reasons, including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error
announcement, for example), incompatibility with Python 2 (broader
Unicode support, for example), features that will not work properly
with XP (screen curtain, for example), support for apps no longer
recommended for wider use (outlook Express, for example), and broad
changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor and
multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors
have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I'm
either maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them
support NVDA
2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.



My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so that
you can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement as an
individual developer to sink in. Note that I'm not speaking on behalf
of other developers - others have their own policies regarding
support for Windows XP. NV Access does provide a download link for
NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I
wanted folks to understand that end of support means end of support,
and I understand that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and
software releases (including moving to newer Windows releases), I
felt it is time to make a bold statement and say "no" to Windows XP
support. In the past, I did note on various NVDA forums that my
add-ons will not and does not support Windows XP, but didn't announce
a statement like this then, hoping that folks will understand the
reality at last. But alas, it is time to officially close the doors
to Windows XP support from my end - once again, this is an individual
developer saying this, not on behalf of the community at large,
knowing that others will make statements on their own.



Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Hi Brian,

My apologies.  I didn't check the archives, as I incorrectly assumed this wouldn't be something many would notice.

On 3/25/2020 9:43 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Just discussed at some length, three days ago, in topic,  Value of headers not readable in Thunderbird.     

Searching the NVDA Group Archive

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

Just discussed at some length, three days ago, in topic,  Value of headers not readable in Thunderbird.     

Searching the NVDA Group Archive

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

Hi, Zahra, why you don’t update your operating system and the NVDA to the
latest versions to solve all your compatibility problems instead of asking
support of the old software, you should use the new and fresh peace of
software to avoid all the security risks

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
andWindows XP support requests: no more, period

hi joseph.
as i mentioned in my emails, i only need two or three fixed in newer
versions of nvda for backporting to the supported versions of nvda on
xp.
and i promise that my request does not cause nvda crashing or
unresponsiveness in any version of windows!
my requests are only specific for firefox and contains important fixes
which i am sure benefits everyone.

On 3/23/20, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,



First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone listen
to
advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19, including public health
officials recommending folks to exercise social distancing for a while.
Even
if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands, practice
social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the pandemic and
community spread. And since the NVDA community is a global movement,
please
support each other.



Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests about
NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included making
add-ons
compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility issues, and backporting
newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users of NVDA 2017.3, the last
version
compatible with Windows XP.



At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows XP,
with
many people asking others to upgrade to newer Windows releases. But as
an
individual add-on author and a contributor to NVDA screen reader project,
I
would like to take this time to make the following personal announcement:



Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the
following
for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, "sorry, no more,
period."
These include:



* Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and
Server 2008
* Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you
knowingly install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier
* Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA
2017.3
* Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows
XP/Server 2003/Vista/Server 2008 users



Most importantly, I will flatly say "no" if you ask me privately to ask
NV
Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support. Many features
introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported for various
reasons,
including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error announcement, for
example),
incompatibility with Python 2 (broader Unicode support, for example),
features that will not work properly with XP (screen curtain, for
example),
support for apps no longer recommended for wider use (outlook Express,
for
example), and broad changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor
and multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors
have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I'm
either
maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them support NVDA
2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.



My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so that you
can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement as an
individual
developer to sink in. Note that I'm not speaking on behalf of other
developers - others have their own policies regarding support for Windows
XP. NV Access does provide a download link for NVDA 2017.3, the last
version
compatible with Windows XP.



I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I wanted
folks
to understand that end of support means end of support, and I understand
that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and software releases
(including moving to newer Windows releases), I felt it is time to make a
bold statement and say "no" to Windows XP support. In the past, I did
note
on various NVDA forums that my add-ons will not and does not support
Windows
XP, but didn't announce a statement like this then, hoping that folks
will
understand the reality at last. But alas, it is time to officially close
the
doors to Windows XP support from my end - once again, this is an
individual
developer saying this, not on behalf of the community at large, knowing
that
others will make statements on their own.



Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Hi,

NVDA 2019.3 frequently gets stuck in frames in Firefox (I am using
Firefox 67 currently). I seemed to be able to repeat it consistently on
this page:
https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-cowboy-museum-puts-security-guard-in-charge-of-social-media-during-closure-now-hes-going-viral/31925162?fbclid=IwAR2LVA2FN66nWA70ZclWMEaxhCHyyM3d4R4E3-uCtpljzi5raYJF_gbImz4

(any enjoyment from the actual page is a bonus). Sometimes refreshing
content NVDA+f5 works, and sometimes NVDA+ctrl+space works, and
sometimes I have to restart NVDA. Pressing tab moves through the
elements on the page, but the arrow keys only read the frame content. I
tried the new beta, but it also gets stuck. I am running Windows 10. Do
other people experience this, or is there some quirk in my setup? Thanks.

Greg

Hi,

NVDA 2019.3 frequently gets stuck in frames in Firefox (I am using Firefox 67 currently). I seemed to be able to repeat it consistently on this page: https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-cowboy-museum-puts-security-guard-in-charge-of-social-media-during-closure-now-hes-going-viral/31925162?fbclid=IwAR2LVA2FN66nWA70ZclWMEaxhCHyyM3d4R4E3-uCtpljzi5raYJF_gbImz4

(any enjoyment from the actual page is a bonus). Sometimes refreshing content NVDA+f5 works, and sometimes NVDA+ctrl+space works, and sometimes I have to restart NVDA. Pressing tab moves through the elements on the page, but the arrow keys only read the frame content. I tried the new beta, but it also gets stuck. I am running Windows 10. Do other people experience this, or is there some quirk in my setup? Thanks.

Greg

The Basic Training for NVDA has an entire chapter on the review cursor,
followed by one on object navigation (the two concepts go hand in hand).
As it happens, the chapter on the review cursor is the one which is
available for free to give you a taste of what the whole module is like.
You can download it here:
https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-ebook/ (That's the
link to the shop to purchase the module, look for the link for the sample
chapter). The module is also available in audio:
https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-downloadable-audio/
(and
there is a sample of the audio as well) and also in Braille:
https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-braille-hard-copy/
(no
sample for the Braille as it is hardcopy shipped to you, not downloadable
like the others).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 4:36 PM Meet modi <meetmodi2359@gmail.com> wrote:

hello friends,
I wont to know about review cursor.
I look forward to user guide.
In user guide i am confuse.

i saw in user guide.
screen review ,text review ETC but i cant find about review cursor.
Thanks in advance

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>;

Hi, just like to ask how to change the sounds from TWBlue?
I am currently running new version
and liking to use other sound to test. I appreciate if you could give me advice or steps to do it. Thanks a lot.

Hi


I think the golden cursor does some thing like that. I know it can do hot points  like in a scanner program I had the graphics had a picture or graphic so you could as it was only accessed with a mouse put it on the graphic do a hot point for it you could do a few for other areas as well then wen you went into the app use the elements list go to the one you want and the mouse would go to that area then I could use it.


Best bet is give it a whirl and see if that does the trick. You can also move the mouse with arrow keys etc.


The link to the page where you can get it from is https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/goldenCursor.en.html


Gene nz


On 26/03/2020 11:18 am, Kenny wrote:

Hope everyone is doing well?


I'm a former user of JAWS. Find myself going back to use it for left mouse clicking on unlabeled graphics found on some application windows.


The NVDA review cursor only seems to read text displayed on the screen. Since the graphic isn't generating a separate nav object, I'm not able to use that NVDA reading function to see it either. Is there any way of getting NVDA to read the numeric window handle integer of an unlabeled graphic? Sort of how JAWS "Say All Graphics" mode does?


Just say something letting me know a graphic is there, so I can route the mouse p        ointer to that spot and left click on it.


Maybe there's an add-on available that gives NVDA that functionality?