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Re: The new microsoft edge chromium based browser troubles with nvda not going to browse mode

Luke Davis
 

Mr. Ed

I hate to lay an RTFM on you, but very literally, have you read the manual?
Insert+n, h, and arrow until you hear "User manual", think it may be the first option.
Many things you don't currently understand will be explained well there, and we can help you better once you have that base of knowledge.
Not that you have to understand everything in the manual, of course, but knowing a general outline of what it contains will serve you well I think.

Luke

On Mon, 26 Aug 2019, Mr. Ed wrote:

Thanks for your answer. I am trying to figure out all the modes between Jaws and nvda. So does nvda have a touch cursor like Jaws? Does nvda have a cursor
like the Jaws cursor. If so what are the key strokes for nvda?
I looked in the shortcut list but I did not see them or know what they were.

Re: number of emails not spoken in outlook

Mr. Ed <pinky14@...>
 

Hi Richard,

Thanks for the info. I am a very new user of nvda and I am trying to figure out what workds in nvda and the different between Jaws and nvda.

Mr. Ed

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 3:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] number of emails not spoken in outlook

 

Sadly, that feature is not there.

Maybe someone will write an addon.

Later,

 

Richard

 

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 

 



On Aug 26, 2019, at 12:59 PM, Mr. Ed <pinky14@...> wrote:



Hi,

I am a new user to NVDA. I am using Outlook 2010 and when I arrow down my list of folders NVDA does not announce how many emails are in the folder. Is this an issue with nvda?

Mr. Ed

Re: The new microsoft edge chromium based browser troubles with nvda not going to browse mode

Mr. Ed <pinky14@...>
 

Hi Brian,

Thanks for your answer. I am trying to figure out all the modes between Jaws and nvda. So does nvda have a touch cursor like Jaws? Does nvda have a cursor like the Jaws cursor. If so what are the key strokes for nvda?

I looked in the shortcut list but I did not see them or know what they were.

Mr. Ed

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 3:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The new microsoft edge chromium based browser troubles with nvda not going to browse mode

 

NVDA Focus mode is the equivalent of JAWS Forms mode

NVDA Browse mode is the equivalent of what I thought JAWS itself called Browse mode.

If you're not in a control where data entry is possible like a text edit box, radio button, etc. and are able to quick navigate from control to control using the single letter shortcuts or are able to use a screen reader search to find things you are in NVDA Browse mode.

Someone put me out of my misery and tell me what JAWS calls its equivalent if it's not also browse mode (as I suspect it isn't and I can't pull up that mode from memory for love nor money right now). 


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Re: number of emails not spoken in outlook

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Sadly, that feature is not there.
Maybe someone will write an addon.
Later,


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 


On Aug 26, 2019, at 12:59 PM, Mr. Ed <pinky14@...> wrote:



Hi,

I am a new user to NVDA. I am using Outlook 2010 and when I arrow down my list of folders NVDA does not announce how many emails are in the folder. Is this an issue with nvda?

Mr. Ed

Re: Nvda on Usb

Kevin Cussick
 

thanks, have seen it I still think it should put a folder called Nvda and just don't know why the devs are so against this.

On 26/08/2019 02:53, Quentin Christensen wrote:
There is an open issue on our tracker for this. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3113
  The current proposal there is to alert the user if the folder they have selected is not empty, which I think is a reasonable compromise. Feel free to comment on that issue if you have any new points to add there though.
On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 6:43 AM Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io <mailto:googlemail.com@groups.io>> wrote:
Yes agreed,   and I just can't understand why the Nvda devs don't just
fix this.
On 23/08/2019 15:04, Brian Vogel wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 06:13 PM, Kevin Cussick wrote:
>
>     but I think Brian was maybe saying that nvda should buy
default make
>     a folder where ever you extract and buy default call it nvda.
>
> And it wasn't just me that has said this.
>
> "Portable copy makers" (I won't call them installers, because
they are
> NOT installing anything) had ought to, as a matter of practice,
create a
> dedicated folder, with a name that the end user would clearly
recognize
> as being "the home of the thing I just created a portable copy
of," in
> the location it's been told to place the portable copy.
 Expecting end
> users to do this housekeeping in this day and age just isn't gonna
> happen (and, in reality and as these two topics have shown, doesn't
> happen and hasn't happened in my observation in a very, very long
time).
>
> It's just so much cleaner and less confusing for the end user.
>
> --
>
> Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362
>
> *The color of truth is grey.*
>
>             ~ André Gide
>
>
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Re: The new microsoft edge chromium based browser troubles with nvda not going to browse mode

g melconian
 

It depends on  the version of jaws.  some earlier versions  of jjaws wer referring to it as browse mode and the newer versions I think have dropped that  reference.i will have to  fire off my old pc an take  a look.   As I am primarily on mobile platforms lately and on chrome OS and so that  is why I seldom have that much need for jaws and the windows pc. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 1:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The new microsoft edge chromium based browser troubles with nvda not going to browse mode

 

And FYI, depending on the vintage of the reference, I'm finding results in web searches that refer to the mode of JAWS that's not Forms mode as Browse mode and Virtual mode.

I don't know when the change may have happened, but by the time I got involved with JAWS it was Browse/Forms [with the NVDA equivalents, respectively, Browse/Focus].
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Re: Outlook Bug When Scrolling Through Messages

kelby carlson
 

I am on a VPN at work; however, Outlook has the same issues when I am on this computer at home. I'm not sure about the PST file though.

On Aug 26, 2019, at 2:04 PM, erik burggraaf <erik@...> wrote:

Does this computer run off of a corporate intranet? I had a college laptop like this. It wasn't doing everything in the cloud, but it was making me log in to the college for authentication and things like windows update deployment.

Similarly, is your outlook PST file stored locally or on your company's server under your account?

If the .PST is stored locally, have you tried tools to repair it? Similarly, have you tried running tools to repair or clean the registry?

I'm just imagining outlook reading and writing to this corupt data file and having it bog down, or trying to read across the network and having severe latency issues.

Best,

Erik


On August 26, 2019 1:37:10 PM "kelby carlson" <kelbycarlson@...> wrote:

It's a work computer so unfortunately I can't. But I may ask my work to do that.

On 8/26/19, Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:
Did you try to uninstall and re-install the Office suite?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of kelby carlson
Sent: Montag, 26. August 2019 18:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Bug When Scrolling Through Messages

I've continued to try everything I can think of to solve this issue. I can
somewhat get around it with object navigation, but it's still very
inconvenient. As I said, it is clearly something unique to this computer (ad
not even to Outlook 2016) but I can't for the life of me figure out what it
could be.

On 8/14/19, kelby carlson via Groups.Io
<kelbycarlson=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
No; I could not grant them remote access because it was a work
computer and they refused to give me steps to try verbally. Like I
said, I was very unimpressed with their service.

On 8/13/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Ah that definitely seems to point to an issue with Outlook to affect
both NVDA and narrator. Are Microsoft going to follow it up?

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 11:44 PM kelby carlson
<kelbycarlson@...>
wrote:

No, I don't think Avast has ever been on the computer. Also, Outlook
does not display the "waiting for Outlook" dialogue, nor does it
freeze. It just doesn't read in the message list.

I spoke with the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk yesterday. While
overall they were extremely unhelpful, we did figure out that
precisely the same issue occurs when using Outlook with Narrator on
that particular computer.
This leads me to believe it is some setting in Outlook or on the
computer that is causing the issue, rather than something in NVDA.


On Aug 11, 2019, at 6:41 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
wrote:

It looks like this issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9991

I think we've looked at most of the other issues, but have you ever had
Avast on the computer in question?

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 10:21 PM kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...>
wrote:

Here is a log from when I tried this:

INFO - __main__ (08:16:59.197):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (08:17:00.957):
Config dir: C:\Users\kcarlson\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (08:17:00.957):
Loading config: C:\Users\kcarlson\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
NVDA version 2019.1.1
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018,
16:22:17) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (08:17:03.446):
Loaded synthDriver eloquence
INFO - core.main (08:17:03.923):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (08:17:03.928):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (08:17:03.938):
Using liblouis version 3.8.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (08:17:03.940):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (08:17:04.042):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (08:17:04.065):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation5
INFO - core.main (08:17:05.334):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - RPC process 10644 (nvda_slave.exe) (08:17:16.051):
__main__.main:
slave error
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 94, in main
File "comHelper.pyo", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject
File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyo", line 180, in GetActiveObject
File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 1247, in GetActiveObject
File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 950, in GetResult
WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable
INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo
(08:19:49.664):
Developer info for navigator object:
name: u'Flag Status Red Flag replied has attachment From
mdjblattenberger@..., Subject Message from "RNP0026736F9330",
Received Mon 5:25 PM, Size 3 MB, In Folder Archive,'
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SELECTABLE, STATE_READONLY
isFocusable: True
hasFocus: False
Python object: <appModules.outlook.UIAGridRow object at 0x05B31B70>
Python class mro: (<class 'appModules.outlook.UIAGridRow'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.behaviors.RowWithFakeNavigation'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
<class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: RectLTWH(left=360, top=508, width=414, height=70)
value: None
appModule: <'outlook' (appName u'outlook', process ID 12096) at
address
58fbdf0>
appModule.productName: u'Microsoft Outlook'
appModule.productVersion: u'16.0.4266.1001'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 2560368
windowClassName: u'OutlookGrid'
windowControlID: 4704
windowStyle: 1442840576
windowThreadID: 8524
windowText: u'Table View'
displayText: u''
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x839e1a0 at 57da3a0>
UIA automationID:
UIA frameworkID:
UIA runtimeID: (42, 2560368, 4, -236)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:12096,providerId:0x0 Main(parent
link):Unidentified Provider (unmanaged:OUTLOOK.EXE)]
UIA className: LeafRow
UIA patterns available: LegacyIAccessiblePattern, GridItemPattern,
InvokePattern, ScrollItemPattern, SelectionItemPattern, ValuePattern


On 8/7/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
There is information on log files at:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps

One way, if it's an issue that you can replicate without then
needing
to
reboot or something afterwards - replicate the issue, then press
NVDA+F1 to
open the log. Press CONTROL+A to select all, then CONTROL+C to
copy,
create an email to me (or the list) with details of the issue and
how
to
replicate, then press CONTROL+V to paste.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 1:45 AM kelby carlson
<kelbycarlson@...>
wrote:

Yes, I believe so.

On 8/7/19, George Bell <george@...> wrote:
Are both systems running the same version of Windows 10? The
current
version is 1903, but there have been updates to even that version
recently.

George

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
kelby
carlson
Sent: 07 August 2019 14:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Bug When Scrolling Through Messages

I don't believe the ad-ons are any different on my laptop than my
desktop.

I also have a home laptop with the latest NVDA, WIndows 10, and
Outlook,
which does not have this problem. This leads me to believe it
must
have
to
do with the specific computer, though I can't imagine what the
problem
is.
They are both Lenovo brand.





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Re: The new microsoft edge chromium based browser troubles with nvda not going to browse mode

 

And FYI, depending on the vintage of the reference, I'm finding results in web searches that refer to the mode of JAWS that's not Forms mode as Browse mode and Virtual mode.

I don't know when the change may have happened, but by the time I got involved with JAWS it was Browse/Forms [with the NVDA equivalents, respectively, Browse/Focus].
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Re: The new microsoft edge chromium based browser troubles with nvda not going to browse mode

Nimer Jaber
 

So far as I know, they call it forms mode and virtual PC cursor/virtual navigation mode. I don't think I've heard of JAWS calling theirs "browse mode". 


On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 1:19 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 04:11 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
They call it virtual PC cursor.
Really?   My distinct memory is that JAWS described two distinct modes just like NVDA does.   In fact I recall when "automatic switching to forms mode" was introduced when you landed in/on a control.   I would have sworn that there was a one-word name for the mode that is not JAWS Forms mode.

I am aware of the virtual cursor, but that's a separate issue.
 
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Re: The new microsoft edge chromium based browser troubles with nvda not going to browse mode

 

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 04:11 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
They call it virtual PC cursor.
Really?   My distinct memory is that JAWS described two distinct modes just like NVDA does.   In fact I recall when "automatic switching to forms mode" was introduced when you landed in/on a control.   I would have sworn that there was a one-word name for the mode that is not JAWS Forms mode.

I am aware of the virtual cursor, but that's a separate issue.
 
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Re: The new microsoft edge chromium based browser troubles with nvda not going to browse mode

Nimer Jaber
 

They call it virtual PC cursor.

Thanks.

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 1:08 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
NVDA Focus mode is the equivalent of JAWS Forms mode

NVDA Browse mode is the equivalent of what I thought JAWS itself called Browse mode.

If you're not in a control where data entry is possible like a text edit box, radio button, etc. and are able to quick navigate from control to control using the single letter shortcuts or are able to use a screen reader search to find things you are in NVDA Browse mode.

Someone put me out of my misery and tell me what JAWS calls its equivalent if it's not also browse mode (as I suspect it isn't and I can't pull up that mode from memory for love nor money right now). 


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Re: The new microsoft edge chromium based browser troubles with nvda not going to browse mode

 

NVDA Focus mode is the equivalent of JAWS Forms mode

NVDA Browse mode is the equivalent of what I thought JAWS itself called Browse mode.

If you're not in a control where data entry is possible like a text edit box, radio button, etc. and are able to quick navigate from control to control using the single letter shortcuts or are able to use a screen reader search to find things you are in NVDA Browse mode.

Someone put me out of my misery and tell me what JAWS calls its equivalent if it's not also browse mode (as I suspect it isn't and I can't pull up that mode from memory for love nor money right now). 


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Re: The new microsoft edge chromium based browser troubles with nvda not going to browse mode

Mr. Ed <pinky14@...>
 

Hi,

I am an old Jaws user and I am not understanding what brows mode is on nvda. Can someone explain it to me. Thanks in advance.

Mr. Ed

number of emails not spoken in outlook

Mr. Ed <pinky14@...>
 

Hi,

I am a new user to NVDA. I am using Outlook 2010 and when I arrow down my list of folders NVDA does not announce how many emails are in the folder. Is this an issue with nvda?

Mr. Ed

Re: NVDA in Employment

g melconian
 

Do agree with you.  Don’t want to be locked to one provider.what happens if that provider goes belly up and or something happens what happens to that low vision or blind employee. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sky Mundell
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 8:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in Employment

 

It’s interesting you should say this because where I work we don’t have any contracts with Vispero. So we can teach NVDA which is a good thing alongside of other solutions and I’d rather not us get contracted by Vispero because I detest their anticompetitive nature. Yes JAWS might have been a good program and probably still is in some areas but it’s their anticompetitive nature that  is part of the problem as well and I never thought when I started on computers in 1993 that we would have a company that monopolised the assistive technology market and I always thought the agencies would encourage client choice and provide a range of solutions as the only way that screen readers back in the day like JAWS, and when it was alive, Window-Eyes, could really be funded is via agencies.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 7:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in Employment

 

I did bring this up with my BSB here but they don't want to listen. It's jaws or nothing at all, but I think his is because they are paid by our govermment to teach jaws not NVDA so they will probably lose money from the government. Same with employers. If they ave a contract with visparo then they probably cannot teach NVDA or let you use it.

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On 25 Aug 2019, at 22:48, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Indeed Austin!  I think the misconception is that any malicious hacker can edit the code of any open source project - which completely misses how open source projects work.  Yes, anyone can submit a pull request (submit code) for NVDA, but before it goes into the final product, it needs to be reviewed by the core developers, and if you download NVDA from the official source, it's just as robust and secure as downloading any other (closed or open source) program from its official download page.

 

Also, I must apologise to Kelby - I inadvertently typed "Kelly" in my previous email, so my apologies Kelby!

 

Kind regards

 

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On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 3:34 PM Austin Pinto <austinpinto.xaviers@...> wrote:

if open source software are not secure how is Linux powering most web servers?
some1 can make changes to the Linux kernel and do what they want.

On 8/26/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> Hi Kelly,
>
> I see the skim reading question has been addressed, and I'll leave others
> to answer which screen reader they prefer, but in terms of using NVDA in a
> work environment, we certainly do have a lot of users who use NVDA in that
> context, both employees and also employers or institutions setting up NVDA
> in say, university labs, libraries or other public computers.
>
> For anyone looking into this either as an employer or an employee looking
> for information for their workplace, we have a page at
> https://www.nvaccess.org/corporate-government/ which answers a lot of
> common questions (including the security options within NVDA, and
> addressing the (unfounded) concern around the security of open-source
> software.
>
> If anyone (or any potential employers) have any lingering concerns, please
> do get in touch (or get them in touch) with us - info@... is the
> easiest way - and we'd be happy to discuss any concerns.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 9:38 PM kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi, everyone,
>>
>> I hope this isn't too off-topic. I recently heard an argument that NVDA
>> is
>> bad for blind prospect's in employment because it is the "dumbed down"
>> solution. The person arguing this elaborated, saying that NVDA is not
>> customizable/flexible enough (too chatty"), that it was not able to be
>> scripted as easily, it didn't work well with as much proprietary
>> software,
>> and that it wouldn't be allowed on secure environments due to being open
>> source.
>>
>> So my question is this: how many people here use NVDA for work, and is
>> there a notable dilerence in level of usability with JAWS?
>>
>> Also, does NVDA have a skim reading feature like JAWS?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
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> Training and Support Manager
>
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Re: NVDA in Employment

g melconian
 

It’s the same way if they have Apple I devices in the building and sometimes or won’t allow for Google devices whether that  be chrome books or android devices. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 7:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA in Employment

 

I did bring this up with my BSB here but they don't want to listen. It's jaws or nothing at all, but I think his is because they are paid by our govermment to teach jaws not NVDA so they will probably lose money from the government. Same with employers. If they ave a contract with visparo then they probably cannot teach NVDA or let you use it.

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On 25 Aug 2019, at 22:48, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Indeed Austin!  I think the misconception is that any malicious hacker can edit the code of any open source project - which completely misses how open source projects work.  Yes, anyone can submit a pull request (submit code) for NVDA, but before it goes into the final product, it needs to be reviewed by the core developers, and if you download NVDA from the official source, it's just as robust and secure as downloading any other (closed or open source) program from its official download page.

 

Also, I must apologise to Kelby - I inadvertently typed "Kelly" in my previous email, so my apologies Kelby!

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 3:34 PM Austin Pinto <austinpinto.xaviers@...> wrote:

if open source software are not secure how is Linux powering most web servers?
some1 can make changes to the Linux kernel and do what they want.

On 8/26/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> Hi Kelly,
>
> I see the skim reading question has been addressed, and I'll leave others
> to answer which screen reader they prefer, but in terms of using NVDA in a
> work environment, we certainly do have a lot of users who use NVDA in that
> context, both employees and also employers or institutions setting up NVDA
> in say, university labs, libraries or other public computers.
>
> For anyone looking into this either as an employer or an employee looking
> for information for their workplace, we have a page at
> https://www.nvaccess.org/corporate-government/ which answers a lot of
> common questions (including the security options within NVDA, and
> addressing the (unfounded) concern around the security of open-source
> software.
>
> If anyone (or any potential employers) have any lingering concerns, please
> do get in touch (or get them in touch) with us - info@... is the
> easiest way - and we'd be happy to discuss any concerns.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 9:38 PM kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi, everyone,
>>
>> I hope this isn't too off-topic. I recently heard an argument that NVDA
>> is
>> bad for blind prospect's in employment because it is the "dumbed down"
>> solution. The person arguing this elaborated, saying that NVDA is not
>> customizable/flexible enough (too chatty"), that it was not able to be
>> scripted as easily, it didn't work well with as much proprietary
>> software,
>> and that it wouldn't be allowed on secure environments due to being open
>> source.
>>
>> So my question is this: how many people here use NVDA for work, and is
>> there a notable dilerence in level of usability with JAWS?
>>
>> Also, does NVDA have a skim reading feature like JAWS?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
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> Training and Support Manager
>
> Web: www.nvaccess.org
> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>
>
>
>


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Re: Outlook Bug When Scrolling Through Messages

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Does this computer run off of a corporate intranet? I had a college laptop like this. It wasn't doing everything in the cloud, but it was making me log in to the college for authentication and things like windows update deployment.

Similarly, is your outlook PST file stored locally or on your company's server under your account?

If the .PST is stored locally, have you tried tools to repair it? Similarly, have you tried running tools to repair or clean the registry?

I'm just imagining outlook reading and writing to this corupt data file and having it bog down, or trying to read across the network and having severe latency issues.

Best,

Erik

On August 26, 2019 1:37:10 PM "kelby carlson" <kelbycarlson@...> wrote:

It's a work computer so unfortunately I can't. But I may ask my work to do that.

On 8/26/19, Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:
Did you try to uninstall and re-install the Office suite?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of kelby carlson
Sent: Montag, 26. August 2019 18:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Bug When Scrolling Through Messages

I've continued to try everything I can think of to solve this issue. I can
somewhat get around it with object navigation, but it's still very
inconvenient. As I said, it is clearly something unique to this computer (ad
not even to Outlook 2016) but I can't for the life of me figure out what it
could be.

On 8/14/19, kelby carlson via Groups.Io
<kelbycarlson=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
No; I could not grant them remote access because it was a work
computer and they refused to give me steps to try verbally. Like I
said, I was very unimpressed with their service.

On 8/13/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Ah that definitely seems to point to an issue with Outlook to affect
both NVDA and narrator. Are Microsoft going to follow it up?

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 11:44 PM kelby carlson
<kelbycarlson@...>
wrote:

No, I don't think Avast has ever been on the computer. Also, Outlook
does not display the "waiting for Outlook" dialogue, nor does it
freeze. It just doesn't read in the message list.

I spoke with the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk yesterday. While
overall they were extremely unhelpful, we did figure out that
precisely the same issue occurs when using Outlook with Narrator on
that particular computer.
This leads me to believe it is some setting in Outlook or on the
computer that is causing the issue, rather than something in NVDA.


On Aug 11, 2019, at 6:41 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
wrote:

It looks like this issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9991

I think we've looked at most of the other issues, but have you ever had
Avast on the computer in question?

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 10:21 PM kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...>
wrote:

Here is a log from when I tried this:

INFO - __main__ (08:16:59.197):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (08:17:00.957):
Config dir: C:\Users\kcarlson\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (08:17:00.957):
Loading config: C:\Users\kcarlson\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
NVDA version 2019.1.1
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018,
16:22:17) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (08:17:03.446):
Loaded synthDriver eloquence
INFO - core.main (08:17:03.923):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (08:17:03.928):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (08:17:03.938):
Using liblouis version 3.8.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (08:17:03.940):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (08:17:04.042):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (08:17:04.065):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation5
INFO - core.main (08:17:05.334):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - RPC process 10644 (nvda_slave.exe) (08:17:16.051):
__main__.main:
slave error
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 94, in main
File "comHelper.pyo", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject
File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyo", line 180, in GetActiveObject
File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 1247, in GetActiveObject
File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 950, in GetResult
WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable
INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo
(08:19:49.664):
Developer info for navigator object:
name: u'Flag Status Red Flag replied has attachment From
mdjblattenberger@..., Subject Message from "RNP0026736F9330",
Received Mon 5:25 PM, Size 3 MB, In Folder Archive,'
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SELECTABLE, STATE_READONLY
isFocusable: True
hasFocus: False
Python object: <appModules.outlook.UIAGridRow object at 0x05B31B70>
Python class mro: (<class 'appModules.outlook.UIAGridRow'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.behaviors.RowWithFakeNavigation'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
<class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: RectLTWH(left=360, top=508, width=414, height=70)
value: None
appModule: <'outlook' (appName u'outlook', process ID 12096) at
address
58fbdf0>
appModule.productName: u'Microsoft Outlook'
appModule.productVersion: u'16.0.4266.1001'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 2560368
windowClassName: u'OutlookGrid'
windowControlID: 4704
windowStyle: 1442840576
windowThreadID: 8524
windowText: u'Table View'
displayText: u''
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x839e1a0 at 57da3a0>
UIA automationID:
UIA frameworkID:
UIA runtimeID: (42, 2560368, 4, -236)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:12096,providerId:0x0 Main(parent
link):Unidentified Provider (unmanaged:OUTLOOK.EXE)]
UIA className: LeafRow
UIA patterns available: LegacyIAccessiblePattern, GridItemPattern,
InvokePattern, ScrollItemPattern, SelectionItemPattern, ValuePattern


On 8/7/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
There is information on log files at:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps

One way, if it's an issue that you can replicate without then
needing
to
reboot or something afterwards - replicate the issue, then press
NVDA+F1 to
open the log. Press CONTROL+A to select all, then CONTROL+C to
copy,
create an email to me (or the list) with details of the issue and
how
to
replicate, then press CONTROL+V to paste.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 1:45 AM kelby carlson
<kelbycarlson@...>
wrote:

Yes, I believe so.

On 8/7/19, George Bell <george@...> wrote:
Are both systems running the same version of Windows 10? The
current
version is 1903, but there have been updates to even that version
recently.

George

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
kelby
carlson
Sent: 07 August 2019 14:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Bug When Scrolling Through Messages

I don't believe the ad-ons are any different on my laptop than my
desktop.

I also have a home laptop with the latest NVDA, WIndows 10, and
Outlook,
which does not have this problem. This leads me to believe it
must
have
to
do with the specific computer, though I can't imagine what the
problem
is.
They are both Lenovo brand.





--
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--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 <
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-2rc1-released/>
now
available!

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
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--
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Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1
<https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-2rc1-released/>
now
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Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
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--
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Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1
<https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-2rc1-released/>
now
available!

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>




--
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--
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Re: Outlook Bug When Scrolling Through Messages

kelby carlson
 

It's a work computer so unfortunately I can't. But I may ask my work to do that.

On 8/26/19, Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:
Did you try to uninstall and re-install the Office suite?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of kelby carlson
Sent: Montag, 26. August 2019 18:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Bug When Scrolling Through Messages

I've continued to try everything I can think of to solve this issue. I can
somewhat get around it with object navigation, but it's still very
inconvenient. As I said, it is clearly something unique to this computer (ad
not even to Outlook 2016) but I can't for the life of me figure out what it
could be.

On 8/14/19, kelby carlson via Groups.Io
<kelbycarlson=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
No; I could not grant them remote access because it was a work
computer and they refused to give me steps to try verbally. Like I
said, I was very unimpressed with their service.

On 8/13/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Ah that definitely seems to point to an issue with Outlook to affect
both NVDA and narrator. Are Microsoft going to follow it up?

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 11:44 PM kelby carlson
<kelbycarlson@...>
wrote:

No, I don't think Avast has ever been on the computer. Also, Outlook
does not display the "waiting for Outlook" dialogue, nor does it
freeze. It just doesn't read in the message list.

I spoke with the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk yesterday. While
overall they were extremely unhelpful, we did figure out that
precisely the same issue occurs when using Outlook with Narrator on
that particular computer.
This leads me to believe it is some setting in Outlook or on the
computer that is causing the issue, rather than something in NVDA.


On Aug 11, 2019, at 6:41 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
wrote:

It looks like this issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9991

I think we've looked at most of the other issues, but have you ever had
Avast on the computer in question?

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 10:21 PM kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...>
wrote:

Here is a log from when I tried this:

INFO - __main__ (08:16:59.197):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (08:17:00.957):
Config dir: C:\Users\kcarlson\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (08:17:00.957):
Loading config: C:\Users\kcarlson\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
NVDA version 2019.1.1
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018,
16:22:17) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (08:17:03.446):
Loaded synthDriver eloquence
INFO - core.main (08:17:03.923):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (08:17:03.928):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (08:17:03.938):
Using liblouis version 3.8.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (08:17:03.940):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (08:17:04.042):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (08:17:04.065):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation5
INFO - core.main (08:17:05.334):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - RPC process 10644 (nvda_slave.exe) (08:17:16.051):
__main__.main:
slave error
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 94, in main
File "comHelper.pyo", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject
File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyo", line 180, in GetActiveObject
File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 1247, in GetActiveObject
File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 950, in GetResult
WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable
INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo
(08:19:49.664):
Developer info for navigator object:
name: u'Flag Status Red Flag replied has attachment From
mdjblattenberger@..., Subject Message from "RNP0026736F9330",
Received Mon 5:25 PM, Size 3 MB, In Folder Archive,'
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SELECTABLE, STATE_READONLY
isFocusable: True
hasFocus: False
Python object: <appModules.outlook.UIAGridRow object at 0x05B31B70>
Python class mro: (<class 'appModules.outlook.UIAGridRow'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.behaviors.RowWithFakeNavigation'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
<class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: RectLTWH(left=360, top=508, width=414, height=70)
value: None
appModule: <'outlook' (appName u'outlook', process ID 12096) at
address
58fbdf0>
appModule.productName: u'Microsoft Outlook'
appModule.productVersion: u'16.0.4266.1001'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 2560368
windowClassName: u'OutlookGrid'
windowControlID: 4704
windowStyle: 1442840576
windowThreadID: 8524
windowText: u'Table View'
displayText: u''
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x839e1a0 at 57da3a0>
UIA automationID:
UIA frameworkID:
UIA runtimeID: (42, 2560368, 4, -236)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:12096,providerId:0x0 Main(parent
link):Unidentified Provider (unmanaged:OUTLOOK.EXE)]
UIA className: LeafRow
UIA patterns available: LegacyIAccessiblePattern, GridItemPattern,
InvokePattern, ScrollItemPattern, SelectionItemPattern, ValuePattern


On 8/7/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
There is information on log files at:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps

One way, if it's an issue that you can replicate without then
needing
to
reboot or something afterwards - replicate the issue, then press
NVDA+F1 to
open the log. Press CONTROL+A to select all, then CONTROL+C to
copy,
create an email to me (or the list) with details of the issue and
how
to
replicate, then press CONTROL+V to paste.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 1:45 AM kelby carlson
<kelbycarlson@...>
wrote:

Yes, I believe so.

On 8/7/19, George Bell <george@...> wrote:
Are both systems running the same version of Windows 10? The
current
version is 1903, but there have been updates to even that version
recently.

George

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
kelby
carlson
Sent: 07 August 2019 14:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Bug When Scrolling Through Messages

I don't believe the ad-ons are any different on my laptop than my
desktop.

I also have a home laptop with the latest NVDA, WIndows 10, and
Outlook,
which does not have this problem. This leads me to believe it
must
have
to
do with the specific computer, though I can't imagine what the
problem
is.
They are both Lenovo brand.





--
Kelby Carlson



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 <
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-2rc1-released/>
now
available!

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>




--
Kelby Carlson



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1
<https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-2rc1-released/>
now
available!

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1
<https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-2rc1-released/>
now
available!

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>




--
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--
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--
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Re: Outlook Bug When Scrolling Through Messages

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Did you try to uninstall and re-install the Office suite?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of kelby carlson
Sent: Montag, 26. August 2019 18:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Bug When Scrolling Through Messages

I've continued to try everything I can think of to solve this issue. I can somewhat get around it with object navigation, but it's still very inconvenient. As I said, it is clearly something unique to this computer (ad not even to Outlook 2016) but I can't for the life of me figure out what it could be.

On 8/14/19, kelby carlson via Groups.Io
<kelbycarlson=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
No; I could not grant them remote access because it was a work
computer and they refused to give me steps to try verbally. Like I
said, I was very unimpressed with their service.

On 8/13/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Ah that definitely seems to point to an issue with Outlook to affect
both NVDA and narrator. Are Microsoft going to follow it up?

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 11:44 PM kelby carlson
<kelbycarlson@...>
wrote:

No, I don't think Avast has ever been on the computer. Also, Outlook
does not display the "waiting for Outlook" dialogue, nor does it
freeze. It just doesn't read in the message list.

I spoke with the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk yesterday. While
overall they were extremely unhelpful, we did figure out that
precisely the same issue occurs when using Outlook with Narrator on
that particular computer.
This leads me to believe it is some setting in Outlook or on the
computer that is causing the issue, rather than something in NVDA.


On Aug 11, 2019, at 6:41 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
wrote:

It looks like this issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9991

I think we've looked at most of the other issues, but have you ever had
Avast on the computer in question?

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 10:21 PM kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...>
wrote:

Here is a log from when I tried this:

INFO - __main__ (08:16:59.197):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (08:17:00.957):
Config dir: C:\Users\kcarlson\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (08:17:00.957):
Loading config: C:\Users\kcarlson\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
NVDA version 2019.1.1
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018,
16:22:17) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (08:17:03.446):
Loaded synthDriver eloquence
INFO - core.main (08:17:03.923):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (08:17:03.928):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (08:17:03.938):
Using liblouis version 3.8.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (08:17:03.940):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (08:17:04.042):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (08:17:04.065):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation5
INFO - core.main (08:17:05.334):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - RPC process 10644 (nvda_slave.exe) (08:17:16.051):
__main__.main:
slave error
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 94, in main
File "comHelper.pyo", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject
File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyo", line 180, in GetActiveObject
File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 1247, in GetActiveObject
File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 950, in GetResult
WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable
INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo
(08:19:49.664):
Developer info for navigator object:
name: u'Flag Status Red Flag replied has attachment From
mdjblattenberger@..., Subject Message from "RNP0026736F9330",
Received Mon 5:25 PM, Size 3 MB, In Folder Archive,'
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SELECTABLE, STATE_READONLY
isFocusable: True
hasFocus: False
Python object: <appModules.outlook.UIAGridRow object at 0x05B31B70>
Python class mro: (<class 'appModules.outlook.UIAGridRow'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.behaviors.RowWithFakeNavigation'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
<class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: RectLTWH(left=360, top=508, width=414, height=70)
value: None
appModule: <'outlook' (appName u'outlook', process ID 12096) at address
58fbdf0>
appModule.productName: u'Microsoft Outlook'
appModule.productVersion: u'16.0.4266.1001'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 2560368
windowClassName: u'OutlookGrid'
windowControlID: 4704
windowStyle: 1442840576
windowThreadID: 8524
windowText: u'Table View'
displayText: u''
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x839e1a0 at 57da3a0>
UIA automationID:
UIA frameworkID:
UIA runtimeID: (42, 2560368, 4, -236)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:12096,providerId:0x0 Main(parent
link):Unidentified Provider (unmanaged:OUTLOOK.EXE)]
UIA className: LeafRow
UIA patterns available: LegacyIAccessiblePattern, GridItemPattern,
InvokePattern, ScrollItemPattern, SelectionItemPattern, ValuePattern


On 8/7/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
There is information on log files at:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps

One way, if it's an issue that you can replicate without then needing
to
reboot or something afterwards - replicate the issue, then press
NVDA+F1 to
open the log. Press CONTROL+A to select all, then CONTROL+C to copy,
create an email to me (or the list) with details of the issue and how
to
replicate, then press CONTROL+V to paste.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 1:45 AM kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...>
wrote:

Yes, I believe so.

On 8/7/19, George Bell <george@...> wrote:
Are both systems running the same version of Windows 10? The
current
version is 1903, but there have been updates to even that version
recently.

George

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of kelby
carlson
Sent: 07 August 2019 14:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Bug When Scrolling Through Messages

I don't believe the ad-ons are any different on my laptop than my
desktop.

I also have a home laptop with the latest NVDA, WIndows 10, and
Outlook,
which does not have this problem. This leads me to believe it must
have
to
do with the specific computer, though I can't imagine what the
problem
is.
They are both Lenovo brand.





--
Kelby Carlson



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 <
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-2rc1-released/>
now
available!

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>




--
Kelby Carlson



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1
<https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-2rc1-released/>
now
available!

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 <https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-2rc1-released/>
now
available!

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>




--
Kelby Carlson




--
Kelby Carlson

Re: Outlook Bug When Scrolling Through Messages

kelby carlson
 

I've continued to try everything I can think of to solve this issue. I
can somewhat get around it with object navigation, but it's still very
inconvenient. As I said, it is clearly something unique to this
computer (ad not even to Outlook 2016) but I can't for the life of me
figure out what it could be.

On 8/14/19, kelby carlson via Groups.Io
<kelbycarlson=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
No; I could not grant them remote access because it was a work
computer and they refused to give me steps to try verbally. Like I
said, I was very unimpressed with their service.

On 8/13/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Ah that definitely seems to point to an issue with Outlook to affect both
NVDA and narrator. Are Microsoft going to follow it up?

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 11:44 PM kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...>
wrote:

No, I don't think Avast has ever been on the computer. Also, Outlook
does
not display the "waiting for Outlook" dialogue, nor does it freeze. It
just
doesn't read in the message list.

I spoke with the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk yesterday. While
overall
they were extremely unhelpful, we did figure out that precisely the same
issue occurs when using Outlook with Narrator on that particular
computer.
This leads me to believe it is some setting in Outlook or on the
computer
that is causing the issue, rather than something in NVDA.


On Aug 11, 2019, at 6:41 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
wrote:

It looks like this issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9991

I think we've looked at most of the other issues, but have you ever had
Avast on the computer in question?

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 10:21 PM kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...>
wrote:

Here is a log from when I tried this:

INFO - __main__ (08:16:59.197):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (08:17:00.957):
Config dir: C:\Users\kcarlson\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (08:17:00.957):
Loading config: C:\Users\kcarlson\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
NVDA version 2019.1.1
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018,
16:22:17) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - core.main (08:17:01.259):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (08:17:03.446):
Loaded synthDriver eloquence
INFO - core.main (08:17:03.923):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (08:17:03.928):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (08:17:03.938):
Using liblouis version 3.8.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (08:17:03.940):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (08:17:04.042):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (08:17:04.065):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation5
INFO - core.main (08:17:05.334):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - RPC process 10644 (nvda_slave.exe) (08:17:16.051):
__main__.main:
slave error
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 94, in main
File "comHelper.pyo", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject
File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyo", line 180, in GetActiveObject
File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 1247, in GetActiveObject
File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 950, in GetResult
WindowsError: [Error -2147221021] Operation unavailable
INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo
(08:19:49.664):
Developer info for navigator object:
name: u'Flag Status Red Flag replied has attachment From
mdjblattenberger@..., Subject Message from "RNP0026736F9330",
Received Mon 5:25 PM, Size 3 MB, In Folder Archive,'
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SELECTABLE, STATE_READONLY
isFocusable: True
hasFocus: False
Python object: <appModules.outlook.UIAGridRow object at 0x05B31B70>
Python class mro: (<class 'appModules.outlook.UIAGridRow'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.behaviors.RowWithFakeNavigation'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
<class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: RectLTWH(left=360, top=508, width=414, height=70)
value: None
appModule: <'outlook' (appName u'outlook', process ID 12096) at address
58fbdf0>
appModule.productName: u'Microsoft Outlook'
appModule.productVersion: u'16.0.4266.1001'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 2560368
windowClassName: u'OutlookGrid'
windowControlID: 4704
windowStyle: 1442840576
windowThreadID: 8524
windowText: u'Table View'
displayText: u''
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x839e1a0 at 57da3a0>
UIA automationID:
UIA frameworkID:
UIA runtimeID: (42, 2560368, 4, -236)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:12096,providerId:0x0 Main(parent
link):Unidentified Provider (unmanaged:OUTLOOK.EXE)]
UIA className: LeafRow
UIA patterns available: LegacyIAccessiblePattern, GridItemPattern,
InvokePattern, ScrollItemPattern, SelectionItemPattern, ValuePattern


On 8/7/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
There is information on log files at:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps

One way, if it's an issue that you can replicate without then needing
to
reboot or something afterwards - replicate the issue, then press
NVDA+F1 to
open the log. Press CONTROL+A to select all, then CONTROL+C to copy,
create an email to me (or the list) with details of the issue and how
to
replicate, then press CONTROL+V to paste.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 1:45 AM kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...>
wrote:

Yes, I believe so.

On 8/7/19, George Bell <george@...> wrote:
Are both systems running the same version of Windows 10? The
current
version is 1903, but there have been updates to even that version
recently.

George

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of kelby
carlson
Sent: 07 August 2019 14:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Bug When Scrolling Through Messages

I don't believe the ad-ons are any different on my laptop than my
desktop.

I also have a home laptop with the latest NVDA, WIndows 10, and
Outlook,
which does not have this problem. This leads me to believe it must
have
to
do with the specific computer, though I can't imagine what the
problem
is.
They are both Lenovo brand.





--
Kelby Carlson



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 <
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-2rc1-released/>
now
available!

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>




--
Kelby Carlson



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1
<https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-2rc1-released/>
now
available!

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.2 RC 1 <https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-2rc1-released/>
now
available!

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>




--
Kelby Carlson




--
Kelby Carlson