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Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

Gene
 

I just tried the download button again about ten minutes after my last check and it worked.  I think the problem is caused by the donation page being too busy to let new people use it at the time. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

I checked the problem.  The first time I used the download button a little earlier in the day, it worked.  When I checked again, it didn't.  I went to the site twice and it didn't either time.  That was when I had one of the donation selections selected.  When I selected the skip donation this time, the download button worked.  So the problem isn't with the download button.  Perhaps the download process is overloaded with people making donations and you can't be sent there now so nothing happens.  Whatever the case, the problem needs to be looked into.  If the form gets over loaded, then a message should be displayed saying to try again later. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

Have you made any changes such as using a script blocker?  I haven't tried, but you may have problems if scripts are blocked.  Are you using a different browser?  Have you tried more than one?
 
Gene
----- Original Message ------
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

I just tried to download NVDA. I checked the one off donation for $30
and it took me to a button saying download. No matter what I do to this
button, it does nothing at all. Hitting enter, pressing space bar, or
routing mouse to it and using left mouse click.  The page just sits
there. This used to take me right to PayPal and after entering my
password, it accepted my donation and took me right back to continue to
download and that was all there was to it.  Don't know why the download
button isn't working, but it isn't Hope this problem can be fixed. I was
able to check for update to NVDA and I got it that way but I wanted to
get the actual installer file and I currently cannot do this.
Roger








On 2/10/2020 10:40 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:
> Hi Robert,
> Yes, I always thought NVAccess had their own custom form for donating
> as well, but admittedly I haven't been able to donate in some time due
> to financial issues and so I didn't know if perhaps it had been
> changed. In that case, the only thing I can think is that something
> somewhere else is going straight to PayPal (that's the only thing I
> can think of where that kind of problem occurs). I could be wrong
> though...
> Cheers,
> Damien.
>
> On 10/02/2020 04:28 pm, Robert Kingett wrote:
>> I honestly have no idea what donate page you're going to, but the
>> custom fields on the NV Access donate page has a default value of 50
>> for the monthly option. You can use your arrow keys to decrease or
>> increase the amount. The buttons are clearly labeled, although, I'd
>> remove that uses, donate a, fabulous, adjective at the beginning.
>> That's my only gripe with it. The edit fields can be controlled with
>> the up and down arrow keys, so I have absolutely no idea what donate
>> page you're visiting. You're right, I didn't experience a fraction of
>> the anxiety you experienced, at all.
>>
>> Also, even with 1 touch login on PayPal, you still have to manually
>> approve the purchase. It doesn't happen automatically. It just logs
>> you in automatically to PayPal.
>>
>>
>
>
>




Focus Highlight and NVDA 2019.3

 

I've been a long time user of the Focus Highlight Add-On, and it is still installed and active under NVDA 2019.3.

That being said, when I go to the Preferences, Vision Pane there is now a checkbox plus sub-checkboxes for Focus Highlight and I get an error if I check those.

Am I safe in presuming that the Focus Highlight Add-On functions have now been integrated into NVDA and I could drop the Add-On, or is this something else entirely.  I also have no idea why I get an error message when I attempt to check the main checkbox unless it's a conflict between the existing Add-On, which does work under NVDA 2019.3, and NVDA itself for this particular function.

I don't want to file an issue if the answer to this problem is simply getting rid of an Add-On that is no longer needed.
--

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Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: the NVDA 2019.3 version of Screen Curtain

Sarah k Alawami
 

I would rather have it disabled on start up. This is the way mac does things and it is safer that way in my humble opinion. It's not that hard in my humble opinion to make a gesture to turn it on, you can always submit your feedback through via github and see where it gets you. Maybe they can have an option to enable it on start up or have the screen come on at start up etc. Good luck.

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On 10 Feb 2020, at 9:31, Giles Turnbull wrote:

I really like the Screen Curtain addon and am glad it is now incorporated into NVDA, however ... I don't like that it is only enabled temporarily until the next restart. Unless I intentionally want to show somebody something on my laptop I would sooner the screen is not visible to anybody walking past.

Given that there is a setting to disable the warning notification about the screen being blank, is it not possible to allow the screen curtain to re-start when NVDA re-starts? This info on the old Screen Curtain addon page suggests it was intended to be possible: in case screen curtain is active when NVDA starts, a tone will be heard.

I was always happy with NVDA beeping to signify that Screen Curtain was active as NVDA started. It is a bit of a nuisance to need to remember that screen curtain has not automatically started and that I need to use the input gesture I have configured in order to activate the screen curtain.

Giles


Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

Gene
 

I checked the problem.  The first time I used the download button a little earlier in the day, it worked.  When I checked again, it didn't.  I went to the site twice and it didn't either time.  That was when I had one of the donation selections selected.  When I selected the skip donation this time, the download button worked.  So the problem isn't with the download button.  Perhaps the download process is overloaded with people making donations and you can't be sent there now so nothing happens.  Whatever the case, the problem needs to be looked into.  If the form gets over loaded, then a message should be displayed saying to try again later. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

Have you made any changes such as using a script blocker?  I haven't tried, but you may have problems if scripts are blocked.  Are you using a different browser?  Have you tried more than one?
 
Gene
----- Original Message ------
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

I just tried to download NVDA. I checked the one off donation for $30
and it took me to a button saying download. No matter what I do to this
button, it does nothing at all. Hitting enter, pressing space bar, or
routing mouse to it and using left mouse click.  The page just sits
there. This used to take me right to PayPal and after entering my
password, it accepted my donation and took me right back to continue to
download and that was all there was to it.  Don't know why the download
button isn't working, but it isn't Hope this problem can be fixed. I was
able to check for update to NVDA and I got it that way but I wanted to
get the actual installer file and I currently cannot do this.
Roger








On 2/10/2020 10:40 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:
> Hi Robert,
> Yes, I always thought NVAccess had their own custom form for donating
> as well, but admittedly I haven't been able to donate in some time due
> to financial issues and so I didn't know if perhaps it had been
> changed. In that case, the only thing I can think is that something
> somewhere else is going straight to PayPal (that's the only thing I
> can think of where that kind of problem occurs). I could be wrong
> though...
> Cheers,
> Damien.
>
> On 10/02/2020 04:28 pm, Robert Kingett wrote:
>> I honestly have no idea what donate page you're going to, but the
>> custom fields on the NV Access donate page has a default value of 50
>> for the monthly option. You can use your arrow keys to decrease or
>> increase the amount. The buttons are clearly labeled, although, I'd
>> remove that uses, donate a, fabulous, adjective at the beginning.
>> That's my only gripe with it. The edit fields can be controlled with
>> the up and down arrow keys, so I have absolutely no idea what donate
>> page you're visiting. You're right, I didn't experience a fraction of
>> the anxiety you experienced, at all.
>>
>> Also, even with 1 touch login on PayPal, you still have to manually
>> approve the purchase. It doesn't happen automatically. It just logs
>> you in automatically to PayPal.
>>
>>
>
>
>




the NVDA 2019.3 version of Screen Curtain

Giles Turnbull
 

I really like the Screen Curtain addon and am glad it is now incorporated into NVDA, however ... I don't like that it is only enabled temporarily until the next restart. Unless I intentionally want to show somebody something on my laptop I would sooner the screen is not visible to anybody walking past.

Given that there is a setting to disable the warning notification about the screen being blank, is it not possible to allow the screen curtain to re-start when NVDA re-starts? This info on the old Screen Curtain addon page suggests it was intended to be possible: in case screen curtain is active when NVDA starts, a tone will be heard.

I was always happy with NVDA beeping to signify that Screen Curtain was active as NVDA started. It is a bit of a nuisance to need to remember that screen curtain has not automatically started and that I need to use the input gesture I have configured in order to activate the screen curtain.

Giles


Re: NVDA 2019.3 released

Gary
 

I'm at a crossroads here.  The security and "under the hood" changes makes me want to upgrade immediately, but losing my add-ons will make my use of NVDA for my job extremely cumbersome.

Gary


Re: Update: Defender no longer mistakenly flagging NVDA

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Quentin, I just downloaded 2019.3 from the site. After installing I get a message that says, “please register”. This is announced no matter what key I press. The only option I am left with is to press insert q.

 

******

If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning start?

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 7:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Update: Defender no longer mistakenly flagging NVDA

 

Hi everyone,

 

Just a quick update - I mentioned on Friday that Microsoft had fixed their Defender definitions.  At the time it hadn't filtered down to me at least, although later on Friday it did and everything was fine again.  You should no longer have trouble installing NVDA 2019.3rc3 from: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc3-now-available-for-testing/

 

If you are still having trouble using eSpeak on a previously installed or setup copy of the RC, you might need to install again, as Defender probably deleted the eSpeak.dll file (the file it was incorrectly flagging as problematic).

 

Also just to reassure everyone, there never was a problem with eSpeak or NVDA - there never was a trojan or malicious software, it was simply Windows defender incorrectly marking the espeak dll as problematic, even though there was nothing wrong with the file.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

--

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Training and Support Manager

 

 

 


Re: NVDA 2019.3 released

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Wow, that's weird. It updated on my desktop just fine.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 8:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2019.3 released

 

On my laptop it updated just fine. On my desktop it is asking me to register. Register what? That is all that it says no matter what key I hit. Both pc’s are running windows 10 pro.

 

******

If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning start?

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 8:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2019.3 released

 

Just thought I'd post this as it is a first for me:  NVDA would not update from the "in NVDA" update process.  It failed and said to see the log.

I downloaded the new installer and that worked perfectly, and without having to uninstall the existing NVDA installation.  I probably should have posted this before going that route, as I believe I've probably now overwritten the log.  However, if the log is appended to, and anyone on the development team would like for me to send them a copy, just let me know.  I won't likely be using NVDA at all additionally today so the log is going to remain however it happens to be at the moment.

As a completely unrelated aside, can anyone tell me why NVDA announces, "Switch to USB Dialog Adapter Combo Box," as the first thing after starting virtually every time?  I've grown used to it, but I cannot for the life of me figure out what it thinks it has focus on such that this is what is announced.  And that quote is verbatim.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

 


Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

Gene
 

Have you made any changes such as using a script blocker?  I haven't tried, but you may have problems if scripts are blocked.  Are you using a different browser?  Have you tried more than one?
 
Gene

----- Original Message ------
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

I just tried to download NVDA. I checked the one off donation for $30
and it took me to a button saying download. No matter what I do to this
button, it does nothing at all. Hitting enter, pressing space bar, or
routing mouse to it and using left mouse click.  The page just sits
there. This used to take me right to PayPal and after entering my
password, it accepted my donation and took me right back to continue to
download and that was all there was to it.  Don't know why the download
button isn't working, but it isn't Hope this problem can be fixed. I was
able to check for update to NVDA and I got it that way but I wanted to
get the actual installer file and I currently cannot do this.
Roger








On 2/10/2020 10:40 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:
> Hi Robert,
> Yes, I always thought NVAccess had their own custom form for donating
> as well, but admittedly I haven't been able to donate in some time due
> to financial issues and so I didn't know if perhaps it had been
> changed. In that case, the only thing I can think is that something
> somewhere else is going straight to PayPal (that's the only thing I
> can think of where that kind of problem occurs). I could be wrong
> though...
> Cheers,
> Damien.
>
> On 10/02/2020 04:28 pm, Robert Kingett wrote:
>> I honestly have no idea what donate page you're going to, but the
>> custom fields on the NV Access donate page has a default value of 50
>> for the monthly option. You can use your arrow keys to decrease or
>> increase the amount. The buttons are clearly labeled, although, I'd
>> remove that uses, donate a, fabulous, adjective at the beginning.
>> That's my only gripe with it. The edit fields can be controlled with
>> the up and down arrow keys, so I have absolutely no idea what donate
>> page you're visiting. You're right, I didn't experience a fraction of
>> the anxiety you experienced, at all.
>>
>> Also, even with 1 touch login on PayPal, you still have to manually
>> approve the purchase. It doesn't happen automatically. It just logs
>> you in automatically to PayPal.
>>
>>
>
>
>




Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

Roger Stewart
 

I just tried to download NVDA. I checked the one off donation for $30 and it took me to a button saying download. No matter what I do to this button, it does nothing at all. Hitting enter, pressing space bar, or routing mouse to it and using left mouse click.  The page just sits there. This used to take me right to PayPal and after entering my password, it accepted my donation and took me right back to continue to download and that was all there was to it.  Don't know why the download button isn't working, but it isn't Hope this problem can be fixed. I was able to check for update to NVDA and I got it that way but I wanted to get the actual installer file and I currently cannot do this.
Roger

On 2/10/2020 10:40 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:
Hi Robert,
Yes, I always thought NVAccess had their own custom form for donating as well, but admittedly I haven't been able to donate in some time due to financial issues and so I didn't know if perhaps it had been changed. In that case, the only thing I can think is that something somewhere else is going straight to PayPal (that's the only thing I can think of where that kind of problem occurs). I could be wrong though...
Cheers,
Damien.

On 10/02/2020 04:28 pm, Robert Kingett wrote:
I honestly have no idea what donate page you're going to, but the custom fields on the NV Access donate page has a default value of 50 for the monthly option. You can use your arrow keys to decrease or increase the amount. The buttons are clearly labeled, although, I'd remove that uses, donate a, fabulous, adjective at the beginning. That's my only gripe with it. The edit fields can be controlled with the up and down arrow keys, so I have absolutely no idea what donate page you're visiting. You're right, I didn't experience a fraction of the anxiety you experienced, at all.

Also, even with 1 touch login on PayPal, you still have to manually approve the purchase. It doesn't happen automatically. It just logs you in automatically to PayPal.


Re: NVDA 2019.3 released

Tyler Spivey
 

My guess is you have one of the paid synths. Press NVDA+ctrl+s, w, enter and it should switch you to OneCore and you can debug from there, and complain to the manufacturer of the synth that their registration message is unclear and makes your computer unusable.


On 2/10/2020 8:52 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

On my laptop it updated just fine. On my desktop it is asking me to register. Register what? That is all that it says no matter what key I hit. Both pc’s are running windows 10 pro.

 

******

If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning start?

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 8:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2019.3 released

 

Just thought I'd post this as it is a first for me:  NVDA would not update from the "in NVDA" update process.  It failed and said to see the log.

I downloaded the new installer and that worked perfectly, and without having to uninstall the existing NVDA installation.  I probably should have posted this before going that route, as I believe I've probably now overwritten the log.  However, if the log is appended to, and anyone on the development team would like for me to send them a copy, just let me know.  I won't likely be using NVDA at all additionally today so the log is going to remain however it happens to be at the moment.

As a completely unrelated aside, can anyone tell me why NVDA announces, "Switch to USB Dialog Adapter Combo Box," as the first thing after starting virtually every time?  I've grown used to it, but I cannot for the life of me figure out what it thinks it has focus on such that this is what is announced.  And that quote is verbatim.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

 


Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

Gene
 

Do you have problems with forms in general?  Do you have problems finding content on web pages in general?  such problems might be very helpful to discuss and such discussion might lead you to considerably more comfortable and more Internet use. 
 
However, such discussion should be done on the chat list. 
 
For now, and because this description might help others who wish to donate and also help with other forms, I'll describe how to work with this part of the form.  It is somewhat long but I hope those who have problems with forms read it.  it may be of important benefit when filling out forms in general.
 
These are all radio buttons.  It is standard in Windows screen-readers working on web pages to select the radio button you want with the space bar.  On an unfamiliar form, you shouldn’t assume anything.  You should down arrow, not tab, through the form in browse mode.  this is important because there is often information telling you something such as the format to use when writing information such as a date in an edit field. 
 
You must also pay attention to the order in which information is presented as you move down the page when dealing with things where there is a control and a description not on the same line.  for example, starting at the top of that part of the form, you see that the radio button is presented first, then below that, the amount.  You need to start at the top of the part of the form where the radio buttons are to find this out.  On another form, it might be text first, then radio button.  On some forms, when you move to the radio button, the text will be read automatically.  Starting at the top, and down arrowing three or four times, you will see that the pattern is radio button then on the next line the amount the radio button is for. 
 
I selected other since that is what you want.
 
There is one problem with the form.  it should be stated, before the form, that after you select the amount you want to donate or select other, when you follow the download button, a page will come up where you can enter your donation information. 
 
But the form uses standard controls and if you have trouble with this form, you may have trouble with many other forms or with places where you use controls to make a choice about something. 
 
Perhaps there should be a link before the form that says something like, if you have trouble filling out this form, follow this link for instructions.  Given the various levels of knowledge those who download NVDA have, that might save people a lot of trouble and it might increase the number of people who donate.  I'll write the instructions, if desired.
 
I'll end by saying that on familiar forms, you can take shortcuts such as tabbing.  But I advise against taking shortcuts on unfamiliar forms even if they look straightforward when you tab. 
Don't assume that there is nothing relevant such as text between fields you miss by tabbing.  In this form, for example, there is text between sections such as one off donation and monthly donation.  You won't see it if you tab.  obviously, you need to know whether you are making a one time donation or a monthly one. 
 
In his form, the order is first one time donations, then monthly donations.  So those who used the first set of radio buttons have made a one time contribution. 
 
Sighted people see everything in a form.  Why put yourself at a disadvantage by taking shortcuts?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 10:13 AM
Subject: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

This may be  just a personal problem with my skills but I have avoided regular donating, as was my   previous practice with the last couple of NVDA  updates because of difficulties with the NVDA Donation page.

Today guilt took over as I downloaded the latest update to 19.3 and decided to bite the bullet and  try and donate again.

I am afraid that yet again the experience was yet again a bit nerve wracking.

For me the personal problem is that the default donations the page tries to funnel me towards are far too expensive for me. These high default options especially on a regular basis provide some anxiety.

 

Even  the other amount  field is unhelpfully filled with a $200 amount which I inadvertently nearly processed with my PayPal and was only then able to rescue from my one touch PayPal page with a rapid page closure.

Rattled I then tried to enter a measly $10 as a safe test amount only to realise that this time I was about to commit $10200 to NVDA Access.

 

In the end I  was able to retrieve the situation and only donate $10 which is less than I would normally donate but was based on my profound nervousness with the page.

It just seems to me that this page should be easy for everybody to use , no matter what their skill level, a simple safe process for people to donate whatever amount they feel comfortable in doing.

 

I am sure that most people , certainly on this list, will not share these problems and deny any difficulties but I wonder how true this is for generalised NVDA users across the globe.

 

This funnelling of people toward larger default payments may be worth it in the larger scheme  it generates more income I suppose but it does seem odd to me and has acted as a disincentive to donate personally.

 

David Griffith

 

 

 

 

.

 

 

 


Re: NVDA 2019.3 released

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

On my laptop it updated just fine. On my desktop it is asking me to register. Register what? That is all that it says no matter what key I hit. Both pc’s are running windows 10 pro.

 

******

If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning start?

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 8:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2019.3 released

 

Just thought I'd post this as it is a first for me:  NVDA would not update from the "in NVDA" update process.  It failed and said to see the log.

I downloaded the new installer and that worked perfectly, and without having to uninstall the existing NVDA installation.  I probably should have posted this before going that route, as I believe I've probably now overwritten the log.  However, if the log is appended to, and anyone on the development team would like for me to send them a copy, just let me know.  I won't likely be using NVDA at all additionally today so the log is going to remain however it happens to be at the moment.

As a completely unrelated aside, can anyone tell me why NVDA announces, "Switch to USB Dialog Adapter Combo Box," as the first thing after starting virtually every time?  I've grown used to it, but I cannot for the life of me figure out what it thinks it has focus on such that this is what is announced.  And that quote is verbatim.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

 


Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

Damien Garwood
 

Hi Robert,
Yes, I always thought NVAccess had their own custom form for donating as well, but admittedly I haven't been able to donate in some time due to financial issues and so I didn't know if perhaps it had been changed. In that case, the only thing I can think is that something somewhere else is going straight to PayPal (that's the only thing I can think of where that kind of problem occurs). I could be wrong though...
Cheers,
Damien.

On 10/02/2020 04:28 pm, Robert Kingett wrote:
I honestly have no idea what donate page you're going to, but the custom fields on the NV Access donate page has a default value of 50 for the monthly option. You can use your arrow keys to decrease or increase the amount. The buttons are clearly labeled, although, I'd remove that uses, donate a, fabulous, adjective at the beginning. That's my only gripe with it. The edit fields can be controlled with the up and down arrow keys, so I have absolutely no idea what donate page you're visiting. You're right, I didn't experience a fraction of the anxiety you experienced, at all.
Also, even with 1 touch login on PayPal, you still have to manually approve the purchase. It doesn't happen automatically. It just logs you in automatically to PayPal.


Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

Damien Garwood
 

Hi David,
This actually sounds like a problem I'm getting with PayPal in general, when paying other people, transferring money to my bank etc. If NVAccess uses PayPal to power its donation form, chances are that's probably why. Cheers,
Damien.

On 10/02/2020 04:13 pm, David Griffith wrote:
This may be just a personal problem with my skills but I have avoided regular donating, as was my previous practice with the last couple of NVDA updates because of difficulties with the NVDA Donation page.
Today guilt took over as I downloaded the latest update to 19.3 and decided to bite the bullet andtry and donate again.
I am afraid that yet again the experience was yet again a bit nerve wracking.
For me the personal problem is that the default donations the page tries to funnel me towards are far too expensive for me. These high default options especially on a regular basis provide some anxiety.
Even the other amountfield is unhelpfully filled with a $200 amount which I inadvertently nearly processed with my PayPal and was only then able to rescue from my one touch PayPal page with a rapid page closure.
Rattled I then tried to enter a measly $10 as a safe test amount only to realise that this time I was about to commit $10200 to NVDA Access.
In the end Iwas able to retrieve the situation and only donate $10 which is less than I would normally donate but was based on my profound nervousness with the page.
It just seems to me that this page should be easy for everybody to use , no matter what their skill level, a simple safe process for people to donate whatever amount they feel comfortable in doing.
I am sure that most people , certainly on this list, will not share these problems and deny any difficulties but I wonder how true this is for generalised NVDA users across the globe.
This funnelling of people toward larger default payments may be worth it in the larger scheme it generates more income I suppose but it does seem odd to me and has acted as a disincentive to donate personally.
David Griffith
.


Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

 

I honestly have no idea what donate page you're going to, but the custom fields on the NV Access donate page has a default value of 50 for the monthly option. You can use your arrow keys to decrease or increase the amount. The buttons are clearly labeled, although, I'd remove that uses, donate a, fabulous, adjective at the beginning. That's my only gripe with it. The edit fields can be controlled with the up and down arrow keys, so I have absolutely no idea what donate page you're visiting. You're right, I didn't experience a fraction of the anxiety you experienced, at all.

Also, even with 1 touch login on PayPal, you still have to manually approve the purchase. It doesn't happen automatically. It just logs you in automatically to PayPal.


Donation Too nerve wracking

David Griffith
 

This may be  just a personal problem with my skills but I have avoided regular donating, as was my   previous practice with the last couple of NVDA  updates because of difficulties with the NVDA Donation page.

Today guilt took over as I downloaded the latest update to 19.3 and decided to bite the bullet and  try and donate again.

I am afraid that yet again the experience was yet again a bit nerve wracking.

For me the personal problem is that the default donations the page tries to funnel me towards are far too expensive for me. These high default options especially on a regular basis provide some anxiety.

 

Even  the other amount  field is unhelpfully filled with a $200 amount which I inadvertently nearly processed with my PayPal and was only then able to rescue from my one touch PayPal page with a rapid page closure.

Rattled I then tried to enter a measly $10 as a safe test amount only to realise that this time I was about to commit $10200 to NVDA Access.

 

In the end I  was able to retrieve the situation and only donate $10 which is less than I would normally donate but was based on my profound nervousness with the page.

It just seems to me that this page should be easy for everybody to use , no matter what their skill level, a simple safe process for people to donate whatever amount they feel comfortable in doing.

 

I am sure that most people , certainly on this list, will not share these problems and deny any difficulties but I wonder how true this is for generalised NVDA users across the globe.

 

This funnelling of people toward larger default payments may be worth it in the larger scheme  it generates more income I suppose but it does seem odd to me and has acted as a disincentive to donate personally.

 

David Griffith

 

 

 

 

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Re: my vocalizer expressive 1.1 version 3.14 and its attached voices no longer work with NVDA 2019.3

 

As a generic statement:  With any paid product the first thing you should do in terms of seeking a solution is to contact that company's support folks, whether by phone, e-mail, web form, or online chat.   They bear primary responsibility, and in cases like this, will be the ones who have to make changes to their own code to make it compatible with ongoing releases of the "master program" (NVDA in this case) it's supposed to work with.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: my vocalizer expressive 1.1 version 3.14 and its attached voices no longer work with NVDA 2019.3

Moty Azrad
 

Dear all,

 

I have the same problem with the newest vocalizer expressive driver version 3.1.0.

I can not switch between languages, hebrew engine and English voice.

I wrote privately to tiflotecnia, and uptonow, I don’t have good solution to my and my friends vocalizer expressibe users.

I purchased only three weeks ago three activations and paid 90 Euro for it.

What can I do more to solve my and my other blind friends users?

 

Thank much for any support.

 

Moti

 

 

Moti Azrad 

Musician and Piano-Tuner         

 

motiaz@...

 

azrad_moty@...

 

Israel

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ibrahim Abedrabbo
Sent: February 10, 2020 17:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] my vocalizer expressive 1.1 version 3.14 and its attached voices no longer work with NVDA 2019.3

 

Hello folks,

As the subject says: my vocalizer expressive 1.1 version 3.0.14 no longer works on the newly released NVDA 2019.3. I get this message indicating its incompatibility.

Vocalizer Expressive 1.1 Driver; Status: Incompatible; Version: 3.0.14; Author: Tiflotecnia, LDA

How do I correct this problem?  Where do I download the compatible drivers? Do I have to purchase the drivers again or do I qualify for an upgrade?

Any help will be appreciated.

 

Ibrahim


Re: NVDA Not Working with CyberLink PowerDVD Ultra 19

lauracornwell
 

Hey there, to all the new nvda works great from hear also do we know when remote is going to hit the aire waves? I have had  a lot of people asking me .

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 9:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Not Working with CyberLink PowerDVD Ultra 19

 

I haven't used Cyberlink myself, but I wonder for those who have it, have you reached out to Cyberlink about the accessibility problems?

 

WIthout having looked at the software this is all just general, but in general:

- NVDA supports standard controls (buttons, edit boxes, labels, etc), so if a program uses standard controls they should generally be accessible.  There might be issues like if they created the buttons in reverse order TAB might take you everywhere in a weird order, but you should be able to get there.

 

- If a developer has created their own custom controls, they may not be accessible, depending on whether they based them off an accessible control or really did create them from scratch.  If they created them from scratch, it's still possible to make them accessible, it just requires extra work in terms of ensuring information is declared to accessibility APIs which might be listening, labels are attached to edit boxes, and so on.

 

- Often, it's not just being able to tab or arrow to information, but you need to be able to quickly jump to important controls.  If you have a telephone answering program for instance, you really want a shortcut that will let you answer the phone immediately - you don't want to have to tab 35 times to get to the "answer" button.  You also want the program to alert you to the fact that the phone is ringing in the first place.  A flashing light with no other indication and nothing for NVDA to detect isn't going to be very accessible.

 

There might be things NVDA can do better to access a program, and it might be possible to write an add-on or modify NVDA to overcome issues with the above points, however if the developer of the original software can address those points and ensure their software is as accessible as possible, then it will help not only NVDA users, (and NVDA users who don't have a specific version of NVDA or a particular add-on) but it will help other users as well - users of other screen readers, keyboard users who might not use a screen reader, etc.

 

As I said, I haven't used this particular program so those are all general comments.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 4:08 PM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Thats true.

I have had a similar issue with abbyy fine reader 15.

At first they just said it worked with jaws and that was fine but would test it.

It took them over a month to test and find it was their software being bad.

Now its not been fixed yet but its in the cue so its going to appear at some point maybe in the next update in the 15 x series whenever that is.

 

 

On 9/02/2020 3:22 am, Brian Vogel wrote:

What any screen reader user needs to understand is that issues of inaccessibility can originate with the screen reader itself, the software you're trying to use it to control, or both.

Your request is not unreasonable, but be aware that it may have nothing to do with NVDA (or any other screen reader) and may have everything to do with something the folks at CyberLink have done (or not done) with PowerDVD Ultra 19.

There are times, of course, where both sides of the equation will have tweaks that must be made.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


 

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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager