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Re: Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

 


Well if you havn't installed the optional, I'd wait for a couple days.

Its getting close to patch tuesday and that update is about to get overridden.



On 10/02/2020 1:08 pm, Gene wrote:
It is an optional update.  it won't install unless you install it.  I don't know what messages you have from the thread.  I sent links to two articles or maybe three, that discuss the update by name. 
 
Let us know if you don't have the messages. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2020 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

What update version are  we talking about? As we speak, I’m running Windows 10Ver1909 (64 bits) build 18363.592, and I haven’t had any sort of problems.

Let’s say that the update that’s causing problems for people as mentioned in the article, I never install it, preferring to wait for the next one. What’llhappen then? Is Windows10 like iOS or Android that it installs the latest update skipping others before it?

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Brian Vogel
Enviado: domingo, 9 de febrero de 2020 12:56 p. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

 

On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 01:01 PM, Gene wrote:

One source said that many people aren't affected

And, to me, that's the key point.  So long as that's reported, and the problems that have occurred are accurately reported, it's worth considering.  The problem with most of these sorts of reports is that they omit that the folks affected are, essentially, outliers on the bell curve and, though the root cause is not yet known, it's most likely something idiosyncratic about their systems, not Windows itself.   Truly "bad updates" cause issues for the majority, if not all, users.  When that occurs, you can be assured that Microsoft has messed up; when it doesn't, and it's a very small number among the embedded base, you can almost (not absolutely, but almost) be assured it's not Microsoft that's messed up.   Having been in this business as long as I have, and doing repair as my main line of work, I have seen time and again systems that have not had even the slightest bit of care and maintenance become houses of cards that, eventually, will collapse because of that, not because there was anything at all wrong with the "card" that finally triggered the collapse.

With regard to Ms. Komando, it's her exaggerations in particular, which are characteristic of most of her reporting, that I find particularly troubling.  She makes mountains out of molehills with shocking regularity.  That serves no one, I find.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

 


Re: Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Deenadayalan Moodley
 

Hi,

 

Look at Windows PE.  This does work and I have one which is a portable version of Windows on a memory stick with various tools to repair computers, etc.

 

The late Carlos produced these.

 

Thanks.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of coffeekingms@...
Sent: 08 February 2020 02:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

 

Hi

I want to weigh in hear, a bit. I’m no security expert, at all, but I see a couple of possible options hear. Are there any compatible ISO images that can be put on a USB flash drive, windows and Linux, that can be used to scan a drive, backup drives, etc for malware and remove any that is found? Since we’re talking about exclusions, a way to exclude false positives, and remove the negatives? I know virus detection is complicated, and I don’t presume to have a perfect solution, but it’s an option. Have whatever security software you like, whichever works, but have a backup, that is separate from your computer, so if gets infected by something nasty, you can boot something self contained to work with. The images would have to be accessible out of the box, without any setup needed, and I’m not sure anything exists. I know for Linux there’s kali, bt I believe that’s for penetration testing and the like. If not, I’d be happy to try to put something together, if anyone is interested. Again, I’m not an expert, and I’m not even sure how to do this but I’d be willing to try. I’m not sure about the windows licensing and such, so it might not be possible to put a windows based one together, but Linux is another story. I’m not advocating Linux, but … oh hell. I don’t want to start a flame war. Another option is to have backup software on a flash drive that can run from a flash drive, but you’d need a functioning system to run it.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

 

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From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 3:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

 

Using no security at all is dumb and stupid.

You should always have some of it.

A false negative means you get a virus and loose stuff.

Thats happened to one of my cousins ironically because he forgot to
update his norton subscription and he lost a lot of stuff, he had to
reformat to make the problem go away.

He couldn't do that himself and had to take the pc to somewhere to get
it fixed, it cost him a lot of cash.

While I am not against using security software in general I am
dissapointed and disheartened at the reasonable amount of noise in the
scans.

I know what the false positives are and what they are but unless I make
exclude lists for my software things will just get destroyed by the
software, don't use it and its worse.

But it depends what you do.

If you just use windows store apps, email via google, etc, chances are
you will be probably fine especially if everything is done in the cloud
as there is some protection there but its not perfect.


I wouldn't go about bragging you do not use security software as it is
very dangerous.

At the same time, it does concern me that every update of the so called
databases there is a chance that something else will be added to my
noisy scan data.

This means I need to lower my security by excluding things.

I do not at any way shape or form feel good about this but what else can
I do.

And I far better be complaining about false alarms than getting a virus,
I just wish things would get easier.

Something changed in the year 2003 which started us down the road of the
security nightmare we are on now.

At first, a few programs, but by 2007 we were seeing noisier and noisier
data and by 2012 it was really bad.

Since 2015 its plattoed at a point not going up or down which I guess is
good, however I'd like it to go back to normal.

I shouldn't get any message from my security software unless I have a
virus and can decide on the action.

Instead I get told I have a virus which is either something new, old or
that has been working before.

Instead of running malwarebytes which I no longer have installed on any
of my systems and full scanns of windows security or others, I don't
scan at all bar a quick scan or so which is done automatically.

Back in the day I would regular do this.

But now my system is infested with a lot of viruses and I know that all
of them are false positives and they never change so I don't upgrade or
anything.

Well I don't use a thirdparty scanner, put it that way.

I started with sophos but it made sure to make all the viruses go away
screwing up my system.

It took me a great deal to reinstall windows from scratch and get
everything back.

The meaning of security software is to at least be a guide to security.

I am more insecure with security software so I have to force it to behave.

At the same time I wouldn't go without it.

All those ransomware attacks, botnets and malwarebreaches are worse than
any false positive.

Yet I really wish they would stop.

I manage a blog and a server on wordpress and do use security software.

And I havn't lost anything that wasn't supposed to be a problem, all my
files are there, no problem.

Yet in user computers companies think they can just do what they want.






On 8/02/2020 10:05 pm, zahra wrote:
> false positive and false negative, are two of the main factors that i
> never trust and never use security programs, antivirus, antimalware,
> etc.
> not sure about firewalls, but i never used and i am not familiar with
> there method and the level of there reliability.
> in the previous weeks, maybe in the first days of new year, i sent an
> ofline email for you,
> but unfortunately i did not recieve your reply and i am waiting for your answer!
> God bless you and thanks so much for your helpful replies as always.
>
> On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>> Just about every antimalware program has this false positive.
>>
>> Kaspersky and a few others are supposed to be better.
>>
>> Anyway what I actually said was that these programs at least some of
>> them detect more false than well who knows.
>>
>> I have never got a virus in the last 10 years but I have got a lot of
>> false alarms.
>>
>> Not sure about win8 etc, but yes you can exclude stuff you know is not a
>> problem.
>>
>> It would be good actually if you excluded the file you could report all
>> your excluded files to the maker like microsoft and for each you could
>> state what it was, etc and maybe get support on it.
>>
>> The issue I have and maybe others, is that while some of the stuff we
>> know about, I spend more time stopping false alarms than actual viruses.
>>
>> I am not sure if thats a good or bad thing but its certainly stopped me
>> from getting any serious security software.
>>
>> If windows defender and malwarebytes cause this much trouble with a
>> false positive, then I really don't want to know what a really good
>> antivirus will say.
>>
>> But basically everything on your system is a potential virus depending
>> on the detections and stuff used.
>>
>> And with the cloud based ai, I doubt that at the automated level there
>> is much control.
>>
>> If you tell them they will fix the issue but there is no reason to think
>> it will stay fixed.
>>
>> As a result all the false alarms make the display of the software noisy.
>>
>> As I said, right now I have so many security holes in my computer caused
>> by so many folder excludes that if it wasn't for ransomware, I have half
>> a mind to exclude my entire hard drive or even disable the windows
>> security subsystem.
>>
>> However there is always the if factor so I don't.
>>
>> I havn't run any full system scans in the last 10 years, and I havn't
>> run any malware software in the last 5 years simply because of this issue.
>>
>> With the so called inteligent stuff about bgt and maybe some older
>> software excluded, it seems that every software package needs a security
>> certification id or something and while it would be nice to get one, I
>> do wander if I could get one myself for the purpose that the software I
>> have is not a problem or something.
>>
>> I know some say I am just unlucky, but on all my other systems with out
>> blind games, blind software and blind accessible programs there are no
>> trogens at all and that in itself is a concern, no excludes on any of my
>> other systems yet.
>>
>> Maybe I may exclude nvda just because I am concerned but still, maybe I
>> have over excluded because of all this going on.
>>
>>
>> On 8/02/2020 7:18 pm, zahra wrote:
>>> Shaun,
>>> did i understand it correctly?
>>> i think that antivirus programs especially microsoft products,
>>> scan the entire system and maybe remove our necessary and important
>>> files even maybe nvda or even other files including html, docx, audio
>>> and video files?
>>> i remember that in one of the iranian websites,
>>> someone recorded a tutorial which explained how to exclude our desired
>>> folders from scanning by deffender.
>>> his tutorial was for windows ten.
>>> does windows deffender on windows 8 and 8.1 does the same things, and
>>> it may removes our essential and important files without worning or
>>> informing us about this matter?
>>>
>>> On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>>>> Yeah some of that software uses autoit and that is known to make
>>>> viruses.
>>>>
>>>> At any rate its clunkey and slow as a language so I wouldn't bother
>>>> using programs written in it but you should be able to exclude things.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah when microsoft security etc cleans things it turns user account
>>>> control on at 33% by default.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/02/2020 3:41 am, Ron Canazzi wrote:
>>>>> Hi Quenton,
>>>>>
>>>>> In addition, I always have Defender set to update to the latest
>>>>> version.  I have had odd issues with it in the past.  If you are
>>>>> familiar with Steve's Clock, Defender flagged that consistently. Even
>>>>> after I allowed it under Defender settings, every time Windows
>>>>> updates, it flags it again.  I had to go into the settings and
>>>>> manually exempt the Steve's clock folder from Defender scans. Even
>>>>> then, it always brings up User Account Control when I run it.  It
>>>>> never comes up in start up--even though I have it set to run at start
>>>>> up.  I have reported this to both the program developer and Microsoft
>>>>> with no change.  I  am glad that this isn't happening with NVDA on my
>>>>> system.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/7/2020 1:00 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>>>>>> I believe this only affects Windows 10 at this stage?  Perhaps
>>>>>> Rosemarie and Ron are using Windows 7?  Or their Defender hasn't
>>>>>> updated to the latest definitions maybe?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...
>>>>>> <mailto:aa2vm@...>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       Hi Group,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       I also do not have this issue with RC3.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       On 2/7/2020 12:28 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>>>       Hi, Quentin,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       I'm not having this problem on my system. I'm using espeak but I
>>>>>>>       wonder if I should use something else just to be on the safe
>>>>>>> side.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Rosemarie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>       [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin Christensen
>>>>>>>       *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:14 PM
>>>>>>>       *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>       *Subject:* [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Hi folks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       It was NVDARemote the other week, now it seems it's our turn for
>>>>>>>       Microsoft's random unfounded accusations.  If you try to install
>>>>>>>       the release candidate of NVDA 2019.3, Windows Defender will
>>>>>>>       alert you it has found a trojan in eSpeak NG and blocked it.
>>>>>>>       The install of NVDA will fail.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       As a workaround for now, you can create a portable copy of the
>>>>>>>       RC and that should run fine.  You won't be able to use eSpeak
>>>>>>> NG.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       NVDA 2019.2.1 installs and runs fine, even using eSpeak NG (it
>>>>>>>       uses a different build of eSpeak NG).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       I am not sure whether this affects Windows 7 users as well.  I
>>>>>>>       have reported it to Microsoft but I would encourage everyone
>>>>>>>       else to as well.  To be honest, even aside from it being our
>>>>>>>       program affected, this really annoys me.  Defender has NOT found
>>>>>>>       a trojan in eSpeak, its heuristic (machine learning) has guessed
>>>>>>>       that it looks a bit suspicious and flagged it - Ok that happens,
>>>>>>>       but say that, don't say absolutely that a known malicious
>>>>>>>       software has been found.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       It took a day or so to fix Defender's virus list and have
>>>>>>>       NVDARemote cleared, so I expect it will probably be within about
>>>>>>>       the same timeline this time around. Apologies for the
>>>>>>> inconvenience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Quentin Christensen
>>>>>>>       Training and Support Manager
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>>>>>>       Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>       --
>>>>>>       They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>>>>>>       They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>>>>>>       I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Quentin Christensen
>>>>>> Training and Support Manager
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
>>>>>> https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
>>>>>> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>>> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
>>>>>> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
>>>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>>>>> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>>>>> --
>>>>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>>>>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>>>>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

 


Re: Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

Gene
 

It is an optional update.  it won't install unless you install it.  I don't know what messages you have from the thread.  I sent links to two articles or maybe three, that discuss the update by name. 
 
Let us know if you don't have the messages. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2020 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

What update version are  we talking about? As we speak, I’m running Windows 10Ver1909 (64 bits) build 18363.592, and I haven’t had any sort of problems.

Let’s say that the update that’s causing problems for people as mentioned in the article, I never install it, preferring to wait for the next one. What’llhappen then? Is Windows10 like iOS or Android that it installs the latest update skipping others before it?

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Brian Vogel
Enviado: domingo, 9 de febrero de 2020 12:56 p. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

 

On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 01:01 PM, Gene wrote:

One source said that many people aren't affected

And, to me, that's the key point.  So long as that's reported, and the problems that have occurred are accurately reported, it's worth considering.  The problem with most of these sorts of reports is that they omit that the folks affected are, essentially, outliers on the bell curve and, though the root cause is not yet known, it's most likely something idiosyncratic about their systems, not Windows itself.   Truly "bad updates" cause issues for the majority, if not all, users.  When that occurs, you can be assured that Microsoft has messed up; when it doesn't, and it's a very small number among the embedded base, you can almost (not absolutely, but almost) be assured it's not Microsoft that's messed up.   Having been in this business as long as I have, and doing repair as my main line of work, I have seen time and again systems that have not had even the slightest bit of care and maintenance become houses of cards that, eventually, will collapse because of that, not because there was anything at all wrong with the "card" that finally triggered the collapse.

With regard to Ms. Komando, it's her exaggerations in particular, which are characteristic of most of her reporting, that I find particularly troubling.  She makes mountains out of molehills with shocking regularity.  That serves no one, I find.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

 


Re: Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

Gerardo Corripio
 

What update version are  we talking about? As we speak, I’m running Windows 10Ver1909 (64 bits) build 18363.592, and I haven’t had any sort of problems.

Let’s say that the update that’s causing problems for people as mentioned in the article, I never install it, preferring to wait for the next one. What’llhappen then? Is Windows10 like iOS or Android that it installs the latest update skipping others before it?

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Brian Vogel
Enviado: domingo, 9 de febrero de 2020 12:56 p. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

 

On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 01:01 PM, Gene wrote:

One source said that many people aren't affected

And, to me, that's the key point.  So long as that's reported, and the problems that have occurred are accurately reported, it's worth considering.  The problem with most of these sorts of reports is that they omit that the folks affected are, essentially, outliers on the bell curve and, though the root cause is not yet known, it's most likely something idiosyncratic about their systems, not Windows itself.   Truly "bad updates" cause issues for the majority, if not all, users.  When that occurs, you can be assured that Microsoft has messed up; when it doesn't, and it's a very small number among the embedded base, you can almost (not absolutely, but almost) be assured it's not Microsoft that's messed up.   Having been in this business as long as I have, and doing repair as my main line of work, I have seen time and again systems that have not had even the slightest bit of care and maintenance become houses of cards that, eventually, will collapse because of that, not because there was anything at all wrong with the "card" that finally triggered the collapse.

With regard to Ms. Komando, it's her exaggerations in particular, which are characteristic of most of her reporting, that I find particularly troubling.  She makes mountains out of molehills with shocking regularity.  That serves no one, I find.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

 


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Brian Tew
 

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subscribe to their list. very friendly helpful list.
 


Re: Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

 

I agree.

I found 2 articles on the update when I previously searched for it so like a lot of the issues these seem to be a few configurations.

Now there are probably a few that don't work right and I am sure microsoft will actually fix these when it can may have allready fixed it.

There is a full update in a couple days, and maybe they will have more to announce then.



On 10/02/2020 4:23 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
Gene is correct that this is an optional update and it does not install unless you activate the Download and install link on the Windows Update pane.

I have also found that Kim Komando is far from the most reliable source on anything Windows related.  She's wrong as much, or more, as she's right, so consider the source.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

 

Hmmm well it must be intermittant.

After searching the official channels, there are a couple articles on this if I search for it, not much good for us blind people other than a reformat however a user with the issue said that after reformatting and reinstalling still got the same result, it does start me wandering about things.


I usually update things when they come out, the critical ones will do after a bit anyway.

This is probably going to lead people to disable windows update completely or even worse not update to win10 and just use 7 or xp or something.

This doesn't improve any of microsofts reputation any.

We have the insider program but it doesn't seem to have worked this time.


I never had this issue and neither do my friends and family so it must be a few different configurations.

Its good it aint a critical update but still.



On 9/02/2020 11:48 pm, Gene wrote:
I've done a little more checking and this is an optional update, so it won't automatically install. 
 
Gene

From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2020 4:41 AM
Subject: Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

I'm posting this message here because it appears to be something very important for Windows 10 users to know.
 
Here we go again.  Another bad Windows update.  This article says you can solve the problems it causes by uninstalling the update but if it disables your sound, for blind users this could be far more trouble than for a sighted user.  The article doesn't say whether USB sound cards might work.  I hope so. 
 
I've said before that I think people should wait for two or three days before installing Windows updates to see if they are safe.  Here is one more reason why.
 
Gene


Re: Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

 

Hmmm some of the updates just apply I have also heard the same issue from issues with sound to connection.

I have noticed the network being slower issue at times, however at the same time its actually improved my network performance in the fact that before the update, my laptop would start then wait 5 minutes to connect to the net on my realtech card, and now when it starts its like 10 seconds.

As for it failing like that, little a blind person can actually do by themselves bar reinstalling from scratch.

I have not had that issue just yet and hope I never do.

It mustn't be on every computer because none of my systems have it.

Then again how trustworthy is the commando site since I have heard reports from some places saying it aint that trustworthy.



On 9/02/2020 11:41 pm, Gene wrote:
I'm posting this message here because it appears to be something very important for Windows 10 users to know.
 
Here we go again.  Another bad Windows update.  This article says you can solve the problems it causes by uninstalling the update but if it disables your sound, for blind users this could be far more trouble than for a sighted user.  The article doesn't say whether USB sound cards might work.  I hope so. 
 
I've said before that I think people should wait for two or three days before installing Windows updates to see if they are safe.  Here is one more reason why.
 
Gene


Re: Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

 

Hmmm again not a good idea to not use security at all unless you purely use the cloud or something.

I never recieved any email from you though.

On 9/02/2020 9:29 pm, zahra wrote:
but i realy dont trust any security program and never use them.
i am waiting for your email, but did not recieve your reply.
did you recieve my email in the first days of new year?

On 2/9/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Hmmm I would really like some sort of antivirus/antimalware program that
you could add an exclude list to, and freely share it about.

In the list I would like:

1. the name of the file and where it came from, and also a reason why I
excluded it.

I would also like the program to scan all my excludes and then send the
files to various companies etc after testing them with say virustotal
and such and have them fixed in the rightt databases.

I'd actually like a virustotal protection and on demand scanner but
thats probably not possible.

There are various talking winpe disks about.

The easiest way to make the thing work for linux would to use something
ubuntu mate which is easy to use or something like grml/ debian in
command mode.

I've not actually managed to get many distros work out of the box.



On 9/02/2020 1:13 am, coffeekingms@... wrote:
Hi

I want to weigh in hear, a bit. I’m no security expert, at all, but I
see a couple of possible options hear. Are there any compatible ISO
images that can be put on a USB flash drive, windows and Linux, that
can be used to scan a drive, backup drives, etc for malware and remove
any that is found? Since we’re talking about exclusions, a way to
exclude false positives, and remove the negatives? I know virus
detection is complicated, and I don’t presume to have a perfect
solution, but it’s an option. Have whatever security software you
like, whichever works, but have a backup, that is separate from your
computer, so if gets infected by something nasty, you can boot
something self contained to work with. The images would have to be
accessible out of the box, without any setup needed, and I’m not sure
anything exists. I know for Linux there’s kali, bt I believe that’s
for penetration testing and the like. If not, I’d be happy to try to
put something together, if anyone is interested. Again, I’m not an
expert, and I’m not even sure how to do this but I’d be willing to
try. I’m not sure about the windows licensing and such, so it might
not be possible to put a windows based one together, but Linux is
another story. I’m not advocating Linux, but … oh hell. I don’t want
to start a flame war. Another option is to have backup software on a
flash drive that can run from a flash drive, but you’d need a
functioning system to run it.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

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*From: *Shaun Everiss <mailto:@smeveriss>
*Sent: *Saturday, February 8, 2020 3:59 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Using no security at all is dumb and stupid.

You should always have some of it.

A false negative means you get a virus and loose stuff.

Thats happened to one of my cousins ironically because he forgot to
update his norton subscription and he lost a lot of stuff, he had to
reformat to make the problem go away.

He couldn't do that himself and had to take the pc to somewhere to get
it fixed, it cost him a lot of cash.

While I am not against using security software in general I am
dissapointed and disheartened at the reasonable amount of noise in the
scans.

I know what the false positives are and what they are but unless I make
exclude lists for my software things will just get destroyed by the
software, don't use it and its worse.

But it depends what you do.

If you just use windows store apps, email via google, etc, chances are
you will be probably fine especially if everything is done in the cloud
as there is some protection there but its not perfect.


I wouldn't go about bragging you do not use security software as it is
very dangerous.

At the same time, it does concern me that every update of the so called
databases there is a chance that something else will be added to my
noisy scan data.

This means I need to lower my security by excluding things.

I do not at any way shape or form feel good about this but what else can
I do.

And I far better be complaining about false alarms than getting a virus,
I just wish things would get easier.

Something changed in the year 2003 which started us down the road of the
security nightmare we are on now.

At first, a few programs, but by 2007 we were seeing noisier and noisier
data and by 2012 it was really bad.

Since 2015 its plattoed at a point not going up or down which I guess is
good, however I'd like it to go back to normal.

I shouldn't get any message from my security software unless I have a
virus and can decide on the action.

Instead I get told I have a virus which is either something new, old or
that has been working before.

Instead of running malwarebytes which I no longer have installed on any
of my systems and full scanns of windows security or others, I don't
scan at all bar a quick scan or so which is done automatically.

Back in the day I would regular do this.

But now my system is infested with a lot of viruses and I know that all
of them are false positives and they never change so I don't upgrade or
anything.

Well I don't use a thirdparty scanner, put it that way.

I started with sophos but it made sure to make all the viruses go away
screwing up my system.

It took me a great deal to reinstall windows from scratch and get
everything back.

The meaning of security software is to at least be a guide to security.

I am more insecure with security software so I have to force it to
behave.

At the same time I wouldn't go without it.

All those ransomware attacks, botnets and malwarebreaches are worse than
any false positive.

Yet I really wish they would stop.

I manage a blog and a server on wordpress and do use security software.

And I havn't lost anything that wasn't supposed to be a problem, all my
files are there, no problem.

Yet in user computers companies think they can just do what they want.






On 8/02/2020 10:05 pm, zahra wrote:
false positive and false negative, are two of the main factors that i
never trust and never use security programs, antivirus, antimalware,
etc.
not sure about firewalls, but i never used and i am not familiar with
there method and the level of there reliability.
in the previous weeks, maybe in the first days of new year, i sent an
ofline email for you,
but unfortunately i did not recieve your reply and i am waiting for
your answer!
God bless you and thanks so much for your helpful replies as always.

On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Just about every antimalware program has this false positive.

Kaspersky and a few others are supposed to be better.

Anyway what I actually said was that these programs at least some of
them detect more false than well who knows.

I have never got a virus in the last 10 years but I have got a lot of
false alarms.

Not sure about win8 etc, but yes you can exclude stuff you know is
not a
problem.

It would be good actually if you excluded the file you could report
all
your excluded files to the maker like microsoft and for each you could
state what it was, etc and maybe get support on it.

The issue I have and maybe others, is that while some of the stuff we
know about, I spend more time stopping false alarms than actual
viruses.
I am not sure if thats a good or bad thing but its certainly stopped
me
from getting any serious security software.

If windows defender and malwarebytes cause this much trouble with a
false positive, then I really don't want to know what a really good
antivirus will say.

But basically everything on your system is a potential virus depending
on the detections and stuff used.

And with the cloud based ai, I doubt that at the automated level there
is much control.

If you tell them they will fix the issue but there is no reason to
think
it will stay fixed.

As a result all the false alarms make the display of the software
noisy.
As I said, right now I have so many security holes in my computer
caused
by so many folder excludes that if it wasn't for ransomware, I have
half
a mind to exclude my entire hard drive or even disable the windows
security subsystem.

However there is always the if factor so I don't.

I havn't run any full system scans in the last 10 years, and I havn't
run any malware software in the last 5 years simply because of this
issue.
With the so called inteligent stuff about bgt and maybe some older
software excluded, it seems that every software package needs a
security
certification id or something and while it would be nice to get one, I
do wander if I could get one myself for the purpose that the software
I
have is not a problem or something.

I know some say I am just unlucky, but on all my other systems with
out
blind games, blind software and blind accessible programs there are no
trogens at all and that in itself is a concern, no excludes on any
of my
other systems yet.

Maybe I may exclude nvda just because I am concerned but still, maybe
I
have over excluded because of all this going on.


On 8/02/2020 7:18 pm, zahra wrote:
Shaun,
did i understand it correctly?
i think that antivirus programs especially microsoft products,
scan the entire system and maybe remove our necessary and important
files even maybe nvda or even other files including html, docx, audio
and video files?
i remember that in one of the iranian websites,
someone recorded a tutorial which explained how to exclude our
desired
folders from scanning by deffender.
his tutorial was for windows ten.
does windows deffender on windows 8 and 8.1 does the same things, and
it may removes our essential and important files without worning or
informing us about this matter?

On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Yeah some of that software uses autoit and that is known to make
viruses.

At any rate its clunkey and slow as a language so I wouldn't bother
using programs written in it but you should be able to exclude
things.
Yeah when microsoft security etc cleans things it turns user account
control on at 33% by default.



On 8/02/2020 3:41 am, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Quenton,

In addition, I always have Defender set to update to the latest
version. I have had odd issues with it in the past. If you are
familiar with Steve's Clock, Defender flagged that consistently.
Even
after I allowed it under Defender settings, every time Windows
updates, it flags it again. I had to go into the settings and
manually exempt the Steve's clock folder from Defender scans. Even
then, it always brings up User Account Control when I run it. It
never comes up in start up--even though I have it set to run at
start
up. I have reported this to both the program developer and
Microsoft
with no change. I am glad that this isn't happening with NVDA
on my
system.


On 2/7/2020 1:00 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I believe this only affects Windows 10 at this stage? Perhaps
Rosemarie and Ron are using Windows 7? Or their Defender hasn't
updated to the latest definitions maybe?

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...
<mailto:aa2vm@...>> wrote:

Hi Group,

I also do not have this issue with RC3.


On 2/7/2020 12:28 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Quentin,

I'm not having this problem on my system. I'm using
espeak but I
wonder if I should use something else just to be on the
safe
side.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin
Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:14 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Hi folks,

It was NVDARemote the other week, now it seems it's our
turn for
Microsoft's random unfounded accusations. If you try to
install
the release candidate of NVDA 2019.3, Windows Defender will
alert you it has found a trojan in eSpeak NG and blocked
it.
The install of NVDA will fail.

As a workaround for now, you can create a portable copy
of the
RC and that should run fine. You won't be able to use
eSpeak
NG.

NVDA 2019.2.1 installs and runs fine, even using eSpeak
NG (it
uses a different build of eSpeak NG).

I am not sure whether this affects Windows 7 users as
well. I
have reported it to Microsoft but I would encourage
everyone
else to as well. To be honest, even aside from it being
our
program affected, this really annoys me. Defender has
NOT found
a trojan in eSpeak, its heuristic (machine learning) has
guessed
that it looks a bit suspicious and flagged it - Ok that
happens,
but say that, don't say absolutely that a known malicious
software has been found.

It took a day or so to fix Defender's virus list and have
NVDARemote cleared, so I expect it will probably be
within about
the same timeline this time around. Apologies for the
inconvenience.

--

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Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/
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<http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
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NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/
Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
<http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
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Accessible RSS reader for Windows 10 with syncing capability

 

Hello all,

Currently I'm using Mozilla Thunderbird as my RSS reader/client and I'm reasonably happy with it. But there is something missing in Thunderbird's client (and in Thunderbird as a whole), with which I'm not happy. And that is the syncing capability. I want my RSS client to sync my subscriptions between all of my devices (at least the ones on Windows). Thunderbird cannot do that. At least I'm not aware that it can.

So that is why I'm looking for an accessible RSS client for Windows 10 (and Android too, if possible), which is able to sync my RSS subscriptions between all of my devices. Do you know of such a program? Some time ago, I think someone posted something like that, which was fairly accessible and available for Windows 10 from the Microsoft Store. I think the poster was Joseph Lee, but I may be mistaking. But I cannot remember the name of the app in question, unfortunately.

Thanks much in advance!

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


Re: Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

 

I'm not suggesting that anyone install an optional update on a perfectly functioning system if they do not wish to.

But, still, all indications are the issues are occurring for a small minority of users and, if you installed the update and didn't get them pretty promptly, the probability of issues developing is low.

If you haven't installed it I wouldn't.  If you have, and have not had issues, it's not worth worrying about, and I would not suggest removing the update.
--

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Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

Gene
 

Also, see this article. 
Here is a brief excerpt. 
 
The problematic update, which was released in late January, is now breaking down even more PCs and causing performance issues.
KB4532695 causes BSOD, boot failure and system slowdown
Initially, it appeared that Blue Screen of Death (BSOD) is only hitting a small set of computers, but the problem appears to be widespread now.
Several users in our comment section and Microsoft’s forum are pointing the blame at KB4532695 for a Blue Screen of Death (complete crash of the PC) with a critical error message and different stop codes.
 
Users are now also reporting a complete boot failure and significant performance slowdown, which suggests that there are some very nasty gremlins in the works.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2020 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

I wouldn't take a chance on this update, based on information in this article.
 
Here is a quote:
 
It’s now become apparent that the Windows 10 KB4532695 update has also introduced other serious problems, with Windows Latest reporting that users are complaining that as soon as they’ve installed the update, the sound stops working on their PC.
According to Windows Latest, one user on Microsoft’s community forum complained that “I installed the update Saturday afternoon and immediately the sound stopped working,” with Windows 10 now not recognising their speakers.
Not only is that incredibly annoying, but, rather worryingly, it seems the problem didn’t go away once the user uninstalled the update - and it even persisted after they performed a full reinstall
 
I don't think that problems that are widespread enough to receive the degree of attention this update has can be blamed, for the most part on user neglect or error.  True, this article says for some users.  How many is that?  I would imagine in beta testing, many bugs affect a minority of users, but they are real and are fixed.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2020 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

I checked the article with two other sources and they both stated the same things with additional information.  One source said that many people aren't affected but for those who are affected, there are a wide variety of possible problems and loss of audio is one.  I wouldn't be surprised if a USB sound card would work but why take chances on that or a large number of other possible bugs occurring?
and
 
Regarding Kim Komando's accuracy, I find oversimplifications and exaggerations at times, but I find most information to be either accurate or reasonably so.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2020 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

Gene is correct that this is an optional update and it does not install unless you activate the Download and install link on the Windows Update pane.

I have also found that Kim Komando is far from the most reliable source on anything Windows related.  She's wrong as much, or more, as she's right, so consider the source.
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Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

Jackie
 

&, of course, while sound isn't absolutely critical for the majority
of users, it is beyond essential for those who rely on a screen
reader. & if you're blind & 1 of the small minority of users affected,
you're nonetheless hugetime screwed. Problem is, you can't generally
turn off these updates. Best you can do is perhaps stave it off until
another one comes down the pike. Since no one at this juncture seems
to know what causes some machines to experience difficulties & not
others, caution might be the wisest course until the issue is
resolved.

It's for this very reason that I always try to keep a USB audio device
around, in hopes that if sound goes kaflooy for the internal audio
device, maybe an external 1 won't be affected.

On 2/9/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I wouldn't take a chance on this update, based on information in this
article.
https://www.techradar.com/news/yet-another-windows-10-fail-as-new-update-breaks-the-internet-heres-how-to-fix-it

Here is a quote:

It’s now become apparent that the Windows 10 KB4532695 update has also
introduced other serious problems, with Windows Latest reporting that users
are complaining that as soon as they’ve installed the update, the sound
stops working on their PC.
According to Windows Latest, one user on Microsoft’s community forum
complained that “I installed the update Saturday afternoon and immediately
the sound stopped working,” with Windows 10 now not recognising their
speakers.
Not only is that incredibly annoying, but, rather worryingly, it seems the
problem didn’t go away once the user uninstalled the update - and it even
persisted after they performed a full reinstall

I don't think that problems that are widespread enough to receive the degree
of attention this update has can be blamed, for the most part on user
neglect or error. True, this article says for some users. How many is
that? I would imagine in beta testing, many bugs affect a minority of
users, but they are real and are fixed.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2020 12:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update


I checked the article with two other sources and they both stated the same
things with additional information. One source said that many people aren't
affected but for those who are affected, there are a wide variety of
possible problems and loss of audio is one. I wouldn't be surprised if a
USB sound card would work but why take chances on that or a large number of
other possible bugs occurring?
https://www.techradar.com/news/new-windows-10-patch-is-the-latest-to-cause-more-problems-than-it-solves
and
https://fossbytes.com/microsoft-delivers-fresh-set-of-bugs-in-new-windows-10-update/

Regarding Kim Komando's accuracy, I find oversimplifications and
exaggerations at times, but I find most information to be either accurate or
reasonably so.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2020 9:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update


Gene is correct that this is an optional update and it does not install
unless you activate the Download and install link on the Windows Update
pane.

I have also found that Kim Komando is far from the most reliable source on
anything Windows related. She's wrong as much, or more, as she's right, so
consider the source.
--

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Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

~ Madonna








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Re: Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

Gene
 

I wouldn't take a chance on this update, based on information in this article.
 
Here is a quote:
 
It’s now become apparent that the Windows 10 KB4532695 update has also introduced other serious problems, with Windows Latest reporting that users are complaining that as soon as they’ve installed the update, the sound stops working on their PC.
According to Windows Latest, one user on Microsoft’s community forum complained that “I installed the update Saturday afternoon and immediately the sound stopped working,” with Windows 10 now not recognising their speakers.
Not only is that incredibly annoying, but, rather worryingly, it seems the problem didn’t go away once the user uninstalled the update - and it even persisted after they performed a full reinstall
 
I don't think that problems that are widespread enough to receive the degree of attention this update has can be blamed, for the most part on user neglect or error.  True, this article says for some users.  How many is that?  I would imagine in beta testing, many bugs affect a minority of users, but they are real and are fixed.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2020 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

I checked the article with two other sources and they both stated the same things with additional information.  One source said that many people aren't affected but for those who are affected, there are a wide variety of possible problems and loss of audio is one.  I wouldn't be surprised if a USB sound card would work but why take chances on that or a large number of other possible bugs occurring?
and
 
Regarding Kim Komando's accuracy, I find oversimplifications and exaggerations at times, but I find most information to be either accurate or reasonably so.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2020 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

Gene is correct that this is an optional update and it does not install unless you activate the Download and install link on the Windows Update pane.

I have also found that Kim Komando is far from the most reliable source on anything Windows related.  She's wrong as much, or more, as she's right, so consider the source.
--

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Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

 

On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 01:01 PM, Gene wrote:
One source said that many people aren't affected
And, to me, that's the key point.  So long as that's reported, and the problems that have occurred are accurately reported, it's worth considering.  The problem with most of these sorts of reports is that they omit that the folks affected are, essentially, outliers on the bell curve and, though the root cause is not yet known, it's most likely something idiosyncratic about their systems, not Windows itself.   Truly "bad updates" cause issues for the majority, if not all, users.  When that occurs, you can be assured that Microsoft has messed up; when it doesn't, and it's a very small number among the embedded base, you can almost (not absolutely, but almost) be assured it's not Microsoft that's messed up.   Having been in this business as long as I have, and doing repair as my main line of work, I have seen time and again systems that have not had even the slightest bit of care and maintenance become houses of cards that, eventually, will collapse because of that, not because there was anything at all wrong with the "card" that finally triggered the collapse.

With regard to Ms. Komando, it's her exaggerations in particular, which are characteristic of most of her reporting, that I find particularly troubling.  She makes mountains out of molehills with shocking regularity.  That serves no one, I find.
 
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Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

Gene
 

I checked the article with two other sources and they both stated the same things with additional information.  One source said that many people aren't affected but for those who are affected, there are a wide variety of possible problems and loss of audio is one.  I wouldn't be surprised if a USB sound card would work but why take chances on that or a large number of other possible bugs occurring?
and
 
Regarding Kim Komando's accuracy, I find oversimplifications and exaggerations at times, but I find most information to be either accurate or reasonably so.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2020 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

Gene is correct that this is an optional update and it does not install unless you activate the Download and install link on the Windows Update pane.

I have also found that Kim Komando is far from the most reliable source on anything Windows related.  She's wrong as much, or more, as she's right, so consider the source.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Why don't you trust security programs? They're there for your protection. I won't say anything more.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 12:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

but i realy dont trust any security program and never use them.
i am waiting for your email, but did not recieve your reply.
did you recieve my email in the first days of new year?

On 2/9/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Hmmm I would really like some sort of antivirus/antimalware program
that you could add an exclude list to, and freely share it about.

In the list I would like:

1. the name of the file and where it came from, and also a reason why
I excluded it.

I would also like the program to scan all my excludes and then send
the files to various companies etc after testing them with say
virustotal and such and have them fixed in the rightt databases.

I'd actually like a virustotal protection and on demand scanner but
thats probably not possible.

There are various talking winpe disks about.

The easiest way to make the thing work for linux would to use
something ubuntu mate which is easy to use or something like grml/
debian in command mode.

I've not actually managed to get many distros work out of the box.



On 9/02/2020 1:13 am, coffeekingms@... wrote:

Hi

I want to weigh in hear, a bit. I’m no security expert, at all, but I
see a couple of possible options hear. Are there any compatible ISO
images that can be put on a USB flash drive, windows and Linux, that
can be used to scan a drive, backup drives, etc for malware and
remove any that is found? Since we’re talking about exclusions, a way
to exclude false positives, and remove the negatives? I know virus
detection is complicated, and I don’t presume to have a perfect
solution, but it’s an option. Have whatever security software you
like, whichever works, but have a backup, that is separate from your
computer, so if gets infected by something nasty, you can boot
something self contained to work with. The images would have to be
accessible out of the box, without any setup needed, and I’m not sure
anything exists. I know for Linux there’s kali, bt I believe that’s
for penetration testing and the like. If not, I’d be happy to try to
put something together, if anyone is interested. Again, I’m not an
expert, and I’m not even sure how to do this but I’d be willing to
try. I’m not sure about the windows licensing and such, so it might
not be possible to put a windows based one together, but Linux is
another story. I’m not advocating Linux, but … oh hell. I don’t want
to start a flame war. Another option is to have backup software on a
flash drive that can run from a flash drive, but you’d need a
functioning system to run it.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Shaun Everiss <mailto:@smeveriss>
*Sent: *Saturday, February 8, 2020 3:59 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Using no security at all is dumb and stupid.

You should always have some of it.

A false negative means you get a virus and loose stuff.

Thats happened to one of my cousins ironically because he forgot to
update his norton subscription and he lost a lot of stuff, he had to
reformat to make the problem go away.

He couldn't do that himself and had to take the pc to somewhere to
get it fixed, it cost him a lot of cash.

While I am not against using security software in general I am
dissapointed and disheartened at the reasonable amount of noise in
the scans.

I know what the false positives are and what they are but unless I
make exclude lists for my software things will just get destroyed by
the software, don't use it and its worse.

But it depends what you do.

If you just use windows store apps, email via google, etc, chances
are you will be probably fine especially if everything is done in the
cloud as there is some protection there but its not perfect.


I wouldn't go about bragging you do not use security software as it
is very dangerous.

At the same time, it does concern me that every update of the so
called databases there is a chance that something else will be added
to my noisy scan data.

This means I need to lower my security by excluding things.

I do not at any way shape or form feel good about this but what else
can I do.

And I far better be complaining about false alarms than getting a
virus, I just wish things would get easier.

Something changed in the year 2003 which started us down the road of
the security nightmare we are on now.

At first, a few programs, but by 2007 we were seeing noisier and
noisier data and by 2012 it was really bad.

Since 2015 its plattoed at a point not going up or down which I guess
is good, however I'd like it to go back to normal.

I shouldn't get any message from my security software unless I have a
virus and can decide on the action.

Instead I get told I have a virus which is either something new, old
or that has been working before.

Instead of running malwarebytes which I no longer have installed on
any of my systems and full scanns of windows security or others, I
don't scan at all bar a quick scan or so which is done automatically.

Back in the day I would regular do this.

But now my system is infested with a lot of viruses and I know that
all of them are false positives and they never change so I don't
upgrade or anything.

Well I don't use a thirdparty scanner, put it that way.

I started with sophos but it made sure to make all the viruses go
away screwing up my system.

It took me a great deal to reinstall windows from scratch and get
everything back.

The meaning of security software is to at least be a guide to security.

I am more insecure with security software so I have to force it to
behave.

At the same time I wouldn't go without it.

All those ransomware attacks, botnets and malwarebreaches are worse
than any false positive.

Yet I really wish they would stop.

I manage a blog and a server on wordpress and do use security software.

And I havn't lost anything that wasn't supposed to be a problem, all
my files are there, no problem.

Yet in user computers companies think they can just do what they want.






On 8/02/2020 10:05 pm, zahra wrote:
false positive and false negative, are two of the main factors that
i never trust and never use security programs, antivirus,
antimalware, etc.
not sure about firewalls, but i never used and i am not familiar
with there method and the level of there reliability.
in the previous weeks, maybe in the first days of new year, i sent
an ofline email for you, but unfortunately i did not recieve your
reply and i am waiting for
your answer!
God bless you and thanks so much for your helpful replies as always.

On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Just about every antimalware program has this false positive.

Kaspersky and a few others are supposed to be better.

Anyway what I actually said was that these programs at least some
of them detect more false than well who knows.

I have never got a virus in the last 10 years but I have got a lot
of false alarms.

Not sure about win8 etc, but yes you can exclude stuff you know is
not a
problem.

It would be good actually if you excluded the file you could
report all your excluded files to the maker like microsoft and for
each you could state what it was, etc and maybe get support on it.

The issue I have and maybe others, is that while some of the stuff
we know about, I spend more time stopping false alarms than actual
viruses.

I am not sure if thats a good or bad thing but its certainly
stopped me from getting any serious security software.

If windows defender and malwarebytes cause this much trouble with
a false positive, then I really don't want to know what a really
good antivirus will say.

But basically everything on your system is a potential virus
depending on the detections and stuff used.

And with the cloud based ai, I doubt that at the automated level
there is much control.

If you tell them they will fix the issue but there is no reason to
think
it will stay fixed.

As a result all the false alarms make the display of the software
noisy.

As I said, right now I have so many security holes in my computer
caused
by so many folder excludes that if it wasn't for ransomware, I
have
half
a mind to exclude my entire hard drive or even disable the windows
security subsystem.

However there is always the if factor so I don't.

I havn't run any full system scans in the last 10 years, and I
havn't run any malware software in the last 5 years simply because
of this
issue.

With the so called inteligent stuff about bgt and maybe some older
software excluded, it seems that every software package needs a
security
certification id or something and while it would be nice to get
one, I do wander if I could get one myself for the purpose that
the software I have is not a problem or something.

I know some say I am just unlucky, but on all my other systems
with out blind games, blind software and blind accessible programs
there are no trogens at all and that in itself is a concern, no
excludes on any
of my
other systems yet.

Maybe I may exclude nvda just because I am concerned but still,
maybe I have over excluded because of all this going on.


On 8/02/2020 7:18 pm, zahra wrote:
Shaun,
did i understand it correctly?
i think that antivirus programs especially microsoft products,
scan the entire system and maybe remove our necessary and
important files even maybe nvda or even other files including
html, docx, audio and video files?
i remember that in one of the iranian websites, someone recorded
a tutorial which explained how to exclude our desired folders
from scanning by deffender.
his tutorial was for windows ten.
does windows deffender on windows 8 and 8.1 does the same things,
and it may removes our essential and important files without
worning or informing us about this matter?

On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Yeah some of that software uses autoit and that is known to make
viruses.

At any rate its clunkey and slow as a language so I wouldn't
bother using programs written in it but you should be able to
exclude
things.

Yeah when microsoft security etc cleans things it turns user
account control on at 33% by default.



On 8/02/2020 3:41 am, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Quenton,

In addition, I always have Defender set to update to the latest
version. I have had odd issues with it in the past. If you
are familiar with Steve's Clock, Defender flagged that consistently.
Even
after I allowed it under Defender settings, every time Windows
updates, it flags it again. I had to go into the settings and
manually exempt the Steve's clock folder from Defender scans.
Even then, it always brings up User Account Control when I run
it. It never comes up in start up--even though I have it set
to run at
start
up. I have reported this to both the program developer and
Microsoft
with no change. I am glad that this isn't happening with NVDA
on my
system.


On 2/7/2020 1:00 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I believe this only affects Windows 10 at this stage? Perhaps
Rosemarie and Ron are using Windows 7? Or their Defender
hasn't updated to the latest definitions maybe?

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ron Canazzi
<aa2vm@... <mailto:aa2vm@...>> wrote:

Hi Group,

I also do not have this issue with RC3.


On 2/7/2020 12:28 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Quentin,

I'm not having this problem on my system. I'm using
espeak but I
wonder if I should use something else just to be on the
safe side.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin
Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:14 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a
trojan

Hi folks,

It was NVDARemote the other week, now it seems it's our
turn for
Microsoft's random unfounded accusations. If you try
to
install
the release candidate of NVDA 2019.3, Windows Defender will
alert you it has found a trojan in eSpeak NG and
blocked it.
The install of NVDA will fail.

As a workaround for now, you can create a portable copy
of the
RC and that should run fine. You won't be able to use
eSpeak
NG.

NVDA 2019.2.1 installs and runs fine, even using eSpeak
NG (it
uses a different build of eSpeak NG).

I am not sure whether this affects Windows 7 users as
well. I
have reported it to Microsoft but I would encourage
everyone
else to as well. To be honest, even aside from it
being our
program affected, this really annoys me. Defender has
NOT found
a trojan in eSpeak, its heuristic (machine learning)
has
guessed
that it looks a bit suspicious and flagged it - Ok that
happens,
but say that, don't say absolutely that a known malicious
software has been found.

It took a day or so to fix Defender's virus list and have
NVDARemote cleared, so I expect it will probably be
within about
the same timeline this time around. Apologies for the
inconvenience.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testin
g/

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
<http://www.nvaccess.org/>

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a
banana boat!"



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testin
g/

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
<http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: braille me and brltty

Sarah k Alawami
 

Have you contacted the authors of the add on or what ever it is? I don't use braille displays, at least, not yet. If you did contact said authors, what response if any did you receive?

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On 9 Feb 2020, at 5:55, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Hi,

I installed brltty, installed python development 3.8, then installed the python program or tried to install it, the one in the brltty folder in program files x86, but it would not install because I installed python 3.8 and brltty needs python 3.2. it looks like brltty won’t let me use the braille me display with NVDA after all. I was hoping I could get the braille me working with NVDA but I guess not.

 

Josh

 

 

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Re: Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

 

On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 03:29 AM, zahra wrote:
but i realy dont trust any security program and never use them.
And you continue to insist on using Windows XP and ignoring any piece of advice offered by any subject-matter expert.  So . . .
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Serious problems with the latest Windows 10 update

 

Gene is correct that this is an optional update and it does not install unless you activate the Download and install link on the Windows Update pane.

I have also found that Kim Komando is far from the most reliable source on anything Windows related.  She's wrong as much, or more, as she's right, so consider the source.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna