Date   

NVDA remote

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

is there a way to change the toggle switch from f11 to something else? There is a conflict with my MoneyTalks program.
******
If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning start?
 
Family times where there is fun for every ear!
http://stream.wrighthere.net:8000/stream.mp3
 
Or ask your A device to play Family times on tuneIn
You can also find us on your mobile device install OoTunes and search for Family times


Re: NVDA and an new facebook experience

Hope Williamson
 

I always use the mobile site so I don't ever worry about anything on the
main one.


Google slides

Justin Harford
 

Greetings

I have been using Google slides at work for a while. I noticed that when I collaborate with other people they will comment about text size and formatting being inconsistent. I usually write slides with DragonDictate using the dictation box. I set my cursor over a text box in the slide, open the dictation box, dictate the text and then press the transfer button which essentially copies and pastes the text into the text box. I share this because I wonder if this could be adding to the formatting issues that I have.

Does anybody have any tips for how you can make sure that the formatting of the text in your Google slides is consistent? Any thoughts about PowerPoint are also welcome. I find it is kind of difficult to get NVDA to give me text formatting information in Google suite.

Regards
Justin Harford (he/him/his)
Program Coordinator (NCDE)
Mobility International USA (MIUSA)
132 E Broadway Suite 343
Eugene OR 97401
541-343-1284 ext 1014 (voice)
jharford@... (email)


Re: Long-standing NVDA bug with visual studio still unresolved

 

Hi,

I’ll do my best to reproduce the problem (I have VS 2019 Community on my system; mostly used to build NVDA but now I get to use the full IDE for this purpose).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy B.
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 5:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Long-standing NVDA bug with visual studio still unresolved

 

The problem exists in Visual Studio 2015 up to the current 2019.7.x build. The autocomplete problem is also present in VSCode Insider’s. This only happens when using VS or VSCode with NVDA. The earliest I remember the problem is NVDA 2019.1. JAWS/narrator have no problems with autocomplete.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 3:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Long-standing NVDA bug with visual studio still unresolved

 

Hi,

If the problem is seen with VS 2015 while using NVDA 2020.2, then it is something for us (NVDA developers) should investigate further. Since it is not seen with JAWS, try using it with Narrator and see if that makes a difference. If Narrator does not exhibit this issue, then it might be something to do with the way NVDA handles IntelliSense control (specifically, the API class associated with it).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Robinett
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Long-standing NVDA bug with visual studio still unresolved

 

Hello,

A link to the GitHub issue for this problem can be found at the end of this message. It has been reported that there is a bug in NVDA such that when the user tries to arrow up or down through IntelliSense suggestions while working in the code editor of visual studio 2017 that it doesn’t just read the menu option but rather the whole line of code every time, making the feature almost unusable.

I can confirm that this same issue still exists in visual studio 2019. It’s frustrating and disappointing that this bug has not been fixed. This problem did not exist in visual studio 2015 so we know NVDA is capable of properly announcing IntelliSense menu options, and the jaws screen reader does not exhibit this behavior so we know it’s not a problem with Microsoft. I’m really hoping somebody at NVDA will finally address and resolve this long-standing bug. Several tech savvy users have tried but haven’t been successful in correcting it.

 

 


NVDA and an new facebook experience

Dejan Ristic
 

Hi to all of you,


Firstly, let me ask you:


How do you like the upcoming new facebook look?


I am just asking not to report any bugs, but to hear from you as far as NVDA and this new FB are concerned. On Google chrome, they work well for me. I no longer have problems in relation to NVDA's jumping up and down of its own accord when I work in the posts and/or comments area. To be as clear as possible, when I am in one of these, NVDA is quite calm. When I press the play button to play a video, it goes well for me.


Secondly, let me state that I'm very, very satisfied with NVDA while walking through the FB interface, although I have not explored all of the new FB features.


Finally, I think that you are happy when you've got a post whose contents does not refer to any bugs. If you ask me, I am, for I'm the one to have just sent you such a message.


Stay safe and be happy to hear that such messages are also welcome here.


Your sincere friend, and user, and follower,


Dejan


--
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus


Re: Pressing enter starts context menu.

Gene
 

Do you have system restore points? If the problem has something to do with the registry, running a restore point will revert the registry.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ali Colak
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 10:02 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Pressing enter starts context menu.

Hello everyone,
To somerise, I've been encountering a problem on firefox running the
latest version of NVDA where on certain pages, including the search
results page on google, where pressing enter on a link brings up the
context menu rather than actually entering it. Alt+enter works fine,
but regular enter does not on some pages.


Earlier in the morning I had tried playing arround with the mouse
settings and the regedit in order to solve another problem that I had
been having, but when the solutions for that issue didn't work I
reversed thos actions. Thats when I started having the problem. I've
tested the problem with JAWS using firefox and chrome, and with NVDA
using chrome and there was no problem, but firefox with NVDA shows the
problem.

Any ideas?


Pressing enter starts context menu.

Ali Colak
 

Hello everyone,
To somerise, I've been encountering a problem on firefox running the
latest version of NVDA where on certain pages, including the search
results page on google, where pressing enter on a link brings up the
context menu rather than actually entering it. Alt+enter works fine,
but regular enter does not on some pages.


Earlier in the morning I had tried playing arround with the mouse
settings and the regedit in order to solve another problem that I had
been having, but when the solutions for that issue didn't work I
reversed thos actions. Thats when I started having the problem. I've
tested the problem with JAWS using firefox and chrome, and with NVDA
using chrome and there was no problem, but firefox with NVDA shows the
problem.

Any ideas?


Re: Long-standing NVDA bug with visual studio still unresolved

Andy B.
 

The problem exists in Visual Studio 2015 up to the current 2019.7.x build. The autocomplete problem is also present in VSCode Insider’s. This only happens when using VS or VSCode with NVDA. The earliest I remember the problem is NVDA 2019.1. JAWS/narrator have no problems with autocomplete.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 3:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Long-standing NVDA bug with visual studio still unresolved

 

Hi,

If the problem is seen with VS 2015 while using NVDA 2020.2, then it is something for us (NVDA developers) should investigate further. Since it is not seen with JAWS, try using it with Narrator and see if that makes a difference. If Narrator does not exhibit this issue, then it might be something to do with the way NVDA handles IntelliSense control (specifically, the API class associated with it).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Robinett
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Long-standing NVDA bug with visual studio still unresolved

 

Hello,

A link to the GitHub issue for this problem can be found at the end of this message. It has been reported that there is a bug in NVDA such that when the user tries to arrow up or down through IntelliSense suggestions while working in the code editor of visual studio 2017 that it doesn’t just read the menu option but rather the whole line of code every time, making the feature almost unusable.

I can confirm that this same issue still exists in visual studio 2019. It’s frustrating and disappointing that this bug has not been fixed. This problem did not exist in visual studio 2015 so we know NVDA is capable of properly announcing IntelliSense menu options, and the jaws screen reader does not exhibit this behavior so we know it’s not a problem with Microsoft. I’m really hoping somebody at NVDA will finally address and resolve this long-standing bug. Several tech savvy users have tried but haven’t been successful in correcting it.

 

 


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Amir
 

Well, as far as US English is concerned, I still prefer Eloquence, or IBMTTS, along with the dictionary files which are aimed at correcting its mispronunciations. The Dictionary project is at https://github.com/thunderdrop/IBMTTSDictionaries
Everyone can participate in this project and it already offers about 26,000 entries, potentially covering several thousands more at the Root level.
Of course, on Windows 10 one can, via a registry trick, enable the localized version of the SAPI-5 female voice Microsoft uses for Kortana, and it sounds quite clear and less muffled compared with OneCore voices. But it also has its own intonation oddities, though.

Best,
Amir


Re: Have you guys at NV Access consider apply for this?

Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks Socheat!

I hadn't come across this before (but to be honest, I hadn't been involved in looking at our hosting requirements previously either).  We'll look into it though, thank you!

Quentin.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 2:07 PM Socheat Muth <socheat.mt.lc@...> wrote:
Hi all, especially to folks at NV Access


This morning, while I was browsing the web, I've come across a website
that claims to help provide the vps host to the open source project. I
thought this would beneficial to NVDA's project, so I want to posted
here to see if you guys interested. Their website is
https://www.fosshost.org. And the link to their application guideline is
https://docs.fosshost.org/en/home/application


Thank you guys, and sorry for my English.






--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Have you guys at NV Access consider apply for this?

Socheat
 

Hi all, especially to folks at NV Access


This morning, while I was browsing the web, I've come across a website that claims to help provide the vps host to the open source project. I thought this would beneficial to NVDA's project, so I want to posted here to see if you guys interested. Their website is https://www.fosshost.org. And the link to their application guideline is https://docs.fosshost.org/en/home/application


Thank you guys, and sorry for my English.


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Arlene
 

Wow! Yes, those were the good old days. I didn’t think that’s still around. I liked Decktalk during its time. But now to me, it’s a thing of the past. I liked it. But now I don’t have it anymore.  I used to use dectalk express. It quit working. I ended up with a computer that did not have a sereal port that the dectalk used to connect to. I ended up chucking it out. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: September 8, 2020 8:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

 

Yes, I agree its totally crap now.

Thing was back in 1998 through 2014 or there abouts there was a team

of people, mostly radio hams and audio freaks, guys like patrick

perdue, jason smith, etc that sort of ellivated it over its station.

There is still an archive on resilio sync.

Its still about, no longer updated, however there is a 2gb content

library of software, music, text and the like.

So here is its downfall.

Hardware abstraction layer.

So for all the dumbies here and there are probably quite a few of you

about, basically in a nutshell after microsoft abandoned the old 9x

dos style windows os, they really got serious on direct connect

devices that accessed the hardware.

Now this is probably a good thing security wize windows has many

interupt or irq ports serial ports and the like.

No one really use physical serial anyway so it doesn't matter much.

But for a while there were serial [ports up through xp.

Now you certainly can buy usb serial ports, serial cards and yes

actually serial or paralel ports should you really want them but thats

becides the point.

Virtualised stuff seems to be how it all goes to.

Basically, to avoid conflicts and crashes, your hardware never talks

to windows directly.

Program talks to driver and driver talks to windows kernal library and

that talks to the kernal and its all seemless and such.

It used to be that stuff talked to eachother.

Thats fine in dos maybe, linux maybe and older windows, but well on

modern systems with so many extras more than 4 serial ports, usb ports

and physical and virtual connections it doesn't make that much sence.

So anyway, you try to communicate with something like a dectalk with

your windows xp and it tries to direct connect.

Windows hates you for life.

It actually in the case of xp will destroy your installation.

I tried several times in the past, 10 times to be honest.

10 times, windows locked.

10 times windows didn't reboot.

10 times I had to reformat and reinstall.

In contrast my old keynote stuff never had this issue so who knows the

inns and outs of it.

There is probably a technical junkpile explaining it, just to say in

simple terms in modern systems direct connection of anything similar

to connecting a system without a serge protector or your critical

devices without a ups or security without a firewall is a bad idea.

Thats basically why no one bothers with dectalk anymore.

Now there are usb versions but to be honest with the load of software

speech its just not echonomical.

The other thing is that its 8 bit.

Thats nice on your portable small speakered devices but after 4.3 of

the kernal even though after dectalk went to phonics, the 5x modern

dectalk never sounded right.

I have 16 bit eloquence where they try to convert and upsample it and

well it never sounded right.

 

Back then you had speakers with limited ranges, etc.

Dectalk was never designed for modern sound hardware plain and simple.

It was never meant to do more than speak.

Singing was a gimic, the only reason it took off was that a few

decided to do it and do it well, they even put it in sound projects.

Now you can emulate this with plugins like chipspeak and there is an

analog something which I forget.

Dectalk aint crap, but its reached the end of its lifecycle.

The best version right now is a coppy of the demo 4.3 software player

if you can get it.

manuals to write speech files in dec language should be about somewhere.

But yeah if someone wants to put that as its own faq or something feel

free to copy it.

It was one of the best synths of its time.

The closest you can get is vocalwriter or vocaloid for the mac or

flinger for festival and no I have never managed to get that all

working.

Also you probably can't get it to work on its own without audio

editing software so well.

Now if anyone wants the archive bt sync key, email me off list and I'll give it.

its 2gb of files, but its not been updated in years.

Still, its got all the best, and worst creations in it.

Its the only record.

It to will die, because once all the users including myself pass I

don't think anyone will be reseeding it.

 

 

On 09/09/2020, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

> Carlos,

> It would be worth passing that feedback on the pronunciation in OneCore

> back to Microsoft.  If you can articulate the specific issues, it is worth

> contacting

> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/disability-answer-desk or

> https://microsoftaccessibility.uservoice.com/forums/307429-microsoft-accessibility-feedback

> Kind regards

> Quentin.

> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 11:17 AM CARLOS-ESTEBAN <

> carlosestebanpianista@...> wrote:

>> Hi all.

>> 

>> I am can use the One Core voices. But in the Spanish Community the people

>> no use the voices One Core in Spanish, for example, the dictionary of the

>> voices in Spanish (Spain) need delete some words that is in the internal

>> dictionary of the voice, that affect the pronunciation of some words in

>> Spanish. In NVDA, is posible use the speech dictionaries for fixed this

>> problem, but Microsoft can delete this words or add an option for enable

>> o

>> disable the dictionary for users of other applications of text to speech

>> (in this case of Spanish).

>> 

>> I used Espeak all the time  from 2012 to 2016, and I can follow use it. I

>> now also use IBM TTS. Is an add-on created by a developer of the Spanish

>> Community, a driver for IBM TTS or Eloquence. But the add-on on GitHub

>> only

>> have the driver, the user need copy the libraries or go to the options of

>> NVDA, IBM TTS and select the folder of the files. So, the driver is

>> legally, but when the user compiled and nvda-addon with the libraries

>> this

>> can consider that not is legally. So, Code Factory Eloquence and

>> Vocalizer

>> is Good, but in the Spanish Comunity not have many users (Few people use

>> it). In the Spanish Community is also very user Vocalizer, but some

>> people

>> not bull license, use a version distribute in Somme places. But the web

>> of

>> the Spanish Community (nvda.es) is a distributor of the Vocalizer NVDA

>> from Tiflotecnia and more people Buy now.

>> 

>> Many people in the Spanish Community says that Eloquence is the better

>> speech Synthesizer, because A lot of people don't get used to listening

>> to

>> Espeak NG and natural voices like One Core in navigation of Windows and

>> applications. Also, some people have problems with the frequencies of

>> Espeak.

>> 

>> One Core in Spanish is Good, but the internal dictionary need delete some

>> words and They don't have the intonation for questions, something that in

>> English United States voices, for example, yes have.

>> 

>> Regards.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

>> 

>> Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios ciegos y con discapacidad

>> visual con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.

>> 

>> Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Musician (pianist) and help to the blind people, with use of screen

>> readers and technology. Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> NVDA certified expert certificate

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> *De: *mattias <mjonsson1986@...>

>> *Enviado: *martes, 8 de septiembre de 2020 18:44

>> *Para: *nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> *Asunto: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> why all this glorifying for dectalk? yes it was fine for symbian. but not

>> on windows. the sound quality are crap

>> 

>> Den 8 september 2020 22:19:14 skrev "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...

>> >:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Well I personally wouldn't bother.

>> 

>> The dectalk from enablerehab has a lot of volume issues.

>> 

>> If you want to use dectalk, buy code factory eloquence and well it will

>> work.

>> 

>> That or buy a dectalk express for 600 us bucks for the usb version.

>> 

>> To be honest, the only reason, dectalk was actually ellivated about, old,

>> expired and generally crappy was the archive of music and crazyness

>> online.

>> 

>> Well no one writes for it anymore.

>> 

>> Its to old to bother with but well I guess if you want to you can.

>> 

>> Any version of eloquence will do.

>> 

>> If you are able to find a copy of window eyes there are folders to

>> install

>> dectalk for sapi4.

>> 

>> This will give you dectalk.

>> 

>> I don't think its worth it though.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> On 9/09/2020 8:01 am, Jesse Farquharson wrote:

>> 

>> I desperately want to be able to use DecTalk again.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> --

> Quentin Christensen

> Training and Support Manager

> Web: www.nvaccess.org

> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess

> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

>

 

 

 


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Jesse Farquharson
 

Sean,

Please send me the link to JesseF8690@...

I understand what you're saying. Sure, DecTalk isn't as high quality as, say, the Vocalizer voices, but to be honest I really don't care. Like I said, if someone can explain how to get Eloquence to sing in a similar manner, that would work fine too, but otherwise... I'd still like me a 2020.x compatible version of DecTalk.



Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

 

Yes, I agree its totally crap now.
Thing was back in 1998 through 2014 or there abouts there was a team
of people, mostly radio hams and audio freaks, guys like patrick
perdue, jason smith, etc that sort of ellivated it over its station.
There is still an archive on resilio sync.
Its still about, no longer updated, however there is a 2gb content
library of software, music, text and the like.
So here is its downfall.
Hardware abstraction layer.
So for all the dumbies here and there are probably quite a few of you
about, basically in a nutshell after microsoft abandoned the old 9x
dos style windows os, they really got serious on direct connect
devices that accessed the hardware.
Now this is probably a good thing security wize windows has many
interupt or irq ports serial ports and the like.
No one really use physical serial anyway so it doesn't matter much.
But for a while there were serial [ports up through xp.
Now you certainly can buy usb serial ports, serial cards and yes
actually serial or paralel ports should you really want them but thats
becides the point.
Virtualised stuff seems to be how it all goes to.
Basically, to avoid conflicts and crashes, your hardware never talks
to windows directly.
Program talks to driver and driver talks to windows kernal library and
that talks to the kernal and its all seemless and such.
It used to be that stuff talked to eachother.
Thats fine in dos maybe, linux maybe and older windows, but well on
modern systems with so many extras more than 4 serial ports, usb ports
and physical and virtual connections it doesn't make that much sence.
So anyway, you try to communicate with something like a dectalk with
your windows xp and it tries to direct connect.
Windows hates you for life.
It actually in the case of xp will destroy your installation.
I tried several times in the past, 10 times to be honest.
10 times, windows locked.
10 times windows didn't reboot.
10 times I had to reformat and reinstall.
In contrast my old keynote stuff never had this issue so who knows the
inns and outs of it.
There is probably a technical junkpile explaining it, just to say in
simple terms in modern systems direct connection of anything similar
to connecting a system without a serge protector or your critical
devices without a ups or security without a firewall is a bad idea.
Thats basically why no one bothers with dectalk anymore.
Now there are usb versions but to be honest with the load of software
speech its just not echonomical.
The other thing is that its 8 bit.
Thats nice on your portable small speakered devices but after 4.3 of
the kernal even though after dectalk went to phonics, the 5x modern
dectalk never sounded right.
I have 16 bit eloquence where they try to convert and upsample it and
well it never sounded right.

Back then you had speakers with limited ranges, etc.
Dectalk was never designed for modern sound hardware plain and simple.
It was never meant to do more than speak.
Singing was a gimic, the only reason it took off was that a few
decided to do it and do it well, they even put it in sound projects.
Now you can emulate this with plugins like chipspeak and there is an
analog something which I forget.
Dectalk aint crap, but its reached the end of its lifecycle.
The best version right now is a coppy of the demo 4.3 software player
if you can get it.
manuals to write speech files in dec language should be about somewhere.
But yeah if someone wants to put that as its own faq or something feel
free to copy it.
It was one of the best synths of its time.
The closest you can get is vocalwriter or vocaloid for the mac or
flinger for festival and no I have never managed to get that all
working.
Also you probably can't get it to work on its own without audio
editing software so well.
Now if anyone wants the archive bt sync key, email me off list and I'll give it.
its 2gb of files, but its not been updated in years.
Still, its got all the best, and worst creations in it.
Its the only record.
It to will die, because once all the users including myself pass I
don't think anyone will be reseeding it.

On 09/09/2020, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Carlos,

It would be worth passing that feedback on the pronunciation in OneCore
back to Microsoft. If you can articulate the specific issues, it is worth
contacting
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/disability-answer-desk or
https://microsoftaccessibility.uservoice.com/forums/307429-microsoft-accessibility-feedback

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 11:17 AM CARLOS-ESTEBAN <
carlosestebanpianista@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all.

I am can use the One Core voices. But in the Spanish Community the people
no use the voices One Core in Spanish, for example, the dictionary of the
voices in Spanish (Spain) need delete some words that is in the internal
dictionary of the voice, that affect the pronunciation of some words in
Spanish. In NVDA, is posible use the speech dictionaries for fixed this
problem, but Microsoft can delete this words or add an option for enable
o
disable the dictionary for users of other applications of text to speech
(in this case of Spanish).

I used Espeak all the time from 2012 to 2016, and I can follow use it. I
now also use IBM TTS. Is an add-on created by a developer of the Spanish
Community, a driver for IBM TTS or Eloquence. But the add-on on GitHub
only
have the driver, the user need copy the libraries or go to the options of
NVDA, IBM TTS and select the folder of the files. So, the driver is
legally, but when the user compiled and nvda-addon with the libraries
this
can consider that not is legally. So, Code Factory Eloquence and
Vocalizer
is Good, but in the Spanish Comunity not have many users (Few people use
it). In the Spanish Community is also very user Vocalizer, but some
people
not bull license, use a version distribute in Somme places. But the web
of
the Spanish Community (nvda.es) is a distributor of the Vocalizer NVDA
from Tiflotecnia and more people Buy now.

Many people in the Spanish Community says that Eloquence is the better
speech Synthesizer, because A lot of people don't get used to listening
to
Espeak NG and natural voices like One Core in navigation of Windows and
applications. Also, some people have problems with the frequencies of
Espeak.

One Core in Spanish is Good, but the internal dictionary need delete some
words and They don't have the intonation for questions, something that in
English United States voices, for example, yes have.

Regards.





Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios ciegos y con discapacidad
visual con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.

Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.



Musician (pianist) and help to the blind people, with use of screen
readers and technology. Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA.



NVDA certified expert certificate



*De: *mattias <mjonsson1986@gmail.com>
*Enviado: *martes, 8 de septiembre de 2020 18:44
*Para: *nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Asunto: *Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out



why all this glorifying for dectalk? yes it was fine for symbian. but not
on windows. the sound quality are crap

Den 8 september 2020 22:19:14 skrev "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com
:


Well I personally wouldn't bother.

The dectalk from enablerehab has a lot of volume issues.

If you want to use dectalk, buy code factory eloquence and well it will
work.

That or buy a dectalk express for 600 us bucks for the usb version.

To be honest, the only reason, dectalk was actually ellivated about, old,
expired and generally crappy was the archive of music and crazyness
online.

Well no one writes for it anymore.

Its to old to bother with but well I guess if you want to you can.

Any version of eloquence will do.

If you are able to find a copy of window eyes there are folders to
install
dectalk for sapi4.

This will give you dectalk.

I don't think its worth it though.





On 9/09/2020 8:01 am, Jesse Farquharson wrote:

I desperately want to be able to use DecTalk again.




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Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

Quentin Christensen
 

Carlos,

It would be worth passing that feedback on the pronunciation in OneCore back to Microsoft.  If you can articulate the specific issues, it is worth contacting https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/disability-answer-desk or https://microsoftaccessibility.uservoice.com/forums/307429-microsoft-accessibility-feedback

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 11:17 AM CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...> wrote:

Hi all.

I am can use the One Core voices. But in the Spanish Community the people no use the voices One Core in Spanish, for example, the dictionary of the voices in Spanish (Spain) need delete some words that is in the internal dictionary of the voice, that affect the pronunciation of some words in Spanish. In NVDA, is posible use the speech dictionaries for fixed this problem, but Microsoft can delete this words or add an option for enable o disable the dictionary for users of other applications of text to speech (in this case of Spanish).

I used Espeak all the time  from 2012 to 2016, and I can follow use it. I now also use IBM TTS. Is an add-on created by a developer of the Spanish Community, a driver for IBM TTS or Eloquence. But the add-on on GitHub only have the driver, the user need copy the libraries or go to the options of NVDA, IBM TTS and select the folder of the files. So, the driver is legally, but when the user compiled and nvda-addon with the libraries this can consider that not is legally. So, Code Factory Eloquence and Vocalizer is Good, but in the Spanish Comunity not have many users (Few people use it). In the Spanish Community is also very user Vocalizer, but some people not bull license, use a version distribute in Somme places. But the web of the Spanish Community (nvda.es) is a distributor of the Vocalizer NVDA from Tiflotecnia and more people Buy now.

Many people in the Spanish Community says that Eloquence is the better speech Synthesizer, because A lot of people don't get used to listening to Espeak NG and natural voices like One Core in navigation of Windows and applications. Also, some people have problems with the frequencies of Espeak.

One Core in Spanish is Good, but the internal dictionary need delete some words and They don't have the intonation for questions, something that in English United States voices, for example, yes have.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios ciegos y con discapacidad visual con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.

Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

 

Musician (pianist) and help to the blind people, with use of screen readers and technology. Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA.

 

NVDA certified expert certificate

 

De: mattias
Enviado: martes, 8 de septiembre de 2020 18:44
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

 

why all this glorifying for dectalk? yes it was fine for symbian. but not on windows. the sound quality are crap

Den 8 september 2020 22:19:14 skrev "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>:

 

Well I personally wouldn't bother.

The dectalk from enablerehab has a lot of volume issues.

If you want to use dectalk, buy code factory eloquence and well it will work.

That or buy a dectalk express for 600 us bucks for the usb version.

To be honest, the only reason, dectalk was actually ellivated about, old, expired and generally crappy was the archive of music and crazyness online.

Well no one writes for it anymore.

Its to old to bother with but well I guess if you want to you can.

Any version of eloquence will do.

If you are able to find a copy of window eyes there are folders to install dectalk for sapi4.

This will give you dectalk.

I don't think its worth it though.

 

 

On 9/09/2020 8:01 am, Jesse Farquharson wrote:

I desperately want to be able to use DecTalk again.

 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
 

Hi all.

I am can use the One Core voices. But in the Spanish Community the people no use the voices One Core in Spanish, for example, the dictionary of the voices in Spanish (Spain) need delete some words that is in the internal dictionary of the voice, that affect the pronunciation of some words in Spanish. In NVDA, is posible use the speech dictionaries for fixed this problem, but Microsoft can delete this words or add an option for enable o disable the dictionary for users of other applications of text to speech (in this case of Spanish).

I used Espeak all the time  from 2012 to 2016, and I can follow use it. I now also use IBM TTS. Is an add-on created by a developer of the Spanish Community, a driver for IBM TTS or Eloquence. But the add-on on GitHub only have the driver, the user need copy the libraries or go to the options of NVDA, IBM TTS and select the folder of the files. So, the driver is legally, but when the user compiled and nvda-addon with the libraries this can consider that not is legally. So, Code Factory Eloquence and Vocalizer is Good, but in the Spanish Comunity not have many users (Few people use it). In the Spanish Community is also very user Vocalizer, but some people not bull license, use a version distribute in Somme places. But the web of the Spanish Community (nvda.es) is a distributor of the Vocalizer NVDA from Tiflotecnia and more people Buy now.

Many people in the Spanish Community says that Eloquence is the better speech Synthesizer, because A lot of people don't get used to listening to Espeak NG and natural voices like One Core in navigation of Windows and applications. Also, some people have problems with the frequencies of Espeak.

One Core in Spanish is Good, but the internal dictionary need delete some words and They don't have the intonation for questions, something that in English United States voices, for example, yes have.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios ciegos y con discapacidad visual con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.

Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

 

Musician (pianist) and help to the blind people, with use of screen readers and technology. Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA.

 

NVDA certified expert certificate

 

De: mattias
Enviado: martes, 8 de septiembre de 2020 18:44
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 7th September is out

 

why all this glorifying for dectalk? yes it was fine for symbian. but not on windows. the sound quality are crap

Den 8 september 2020 22:19:14 skrev "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>:

 

Well I personally wouldn't bother.

The dectalk from enablerehab has a lot of volume issues.

If you want to use dectalk, buy code factory eloquence and well it will work.

That or buy a dectalk express for 600 us bucks for the usb version.

To be honest, the only reason, dectalk was actually ellivated about, old, expired and generally crappy was the archive of music and crazyness online.

Well no one writes for it anymore.

Its to old to bother with but well I guess if you want to you can.

Any version of eloquence will do.

If you are able to find a copy of window eyes there are folders to install dectalk for sapi4.

This will give you dectalk.

I don't think its worth it though.

 

 

On 9/09/2020 8:01 am, Jesse Farquharson wrote:

I desperately want to be able to use DecTalk again.

 


Re: In-Process for 7th September is out

mattias
 

why all this glorifying for dectalk? yes it was fine for symbian. but not on windows. the sound quality are crap

Den 8 september 2020 22:19:14 skrev "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>:


Well I personally wouldn't bother.

The dectalk from enablerehab has a lot of volume issues.

If you want to use dectalk, buy code factory eloquence and well it will work.

That or buy a dectalk express for 600 us bucks for the usb version.

To be honest, the only reason, dectalk was actually ellivated about, old, expired and generally crappy was the archive of music and crazyness online.

Well no one writes for it anymore.

Its to old to bother with but well I guess if you want to you can.

Any version of eloquence will do.

If you are able to find a copy of window eyes there are folders to install dectalk for sapi4.

This will give you dectalk.

I don't think its worth it though.



On 9/09/2020 8:01 am, Jesse Farquharson wrote:

I desperately want to be able to use DecTalk again.


Re: Entering time values on youtube website

Sam Bushman
 

Please try this:

 

Youtube - How to link to a start time:

Add to the end of the URL:

Shortened URL's:

?t=0m20s

Full URL's:

&t=0m20s

 

Hope this helps.

 

Thanks,

Sam

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 5:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Entering time values on youtube website

 

You can actually modify the URL with I think something like t=600 for 600 seconds. If you know what you are doing, you can modify that uRL to do a lot. You will have to consult our best friend zootle (I changed the name so as not to trigger anyone's homes) and find the exact codes.

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On 8 Sep 2020, at 13:46, JM Casey wrote:

Hello everyone. Using NVDA 2020.2, and, in this case, Chrome, my favourite browser for a ccessing youtube as it is extremely responsive to the keyboard commands.

Recently I’ve come to use youtube more than usual, and have finally taken a good amount of time to figure out how the interface actually works, how to navigate channels and the player, etc. I’ve come across some recordings that are several hours long. A cool thing is that if I exit the site for whatever reason and then come back to it, even well after the browser session is closed, my place is usually “remembered” by youtube. However, I’d like to be able to specify the time at which to start playing in presentations that are sometimes 6+ hours long. I am pretty sure this can be done, but I’m having trouble figuring out where the cursor should be positioned to enter in the vlue. I have tried switching browse mode off and being in the position where the current elapsed time fo the recording is shown, but this doesn’t seem to do the trick. I believe I understand what the format should be (hours:minutes:seconds).

Any tips?

Thanks!

 

 


Re: Entering time values on youtube website

Sarah k Alawami
 

You can actually modify the URL with I think something like t=600 for 600 seconds. If you know what you are doing, you can modify that uRL to do a lot. You will have to consult our best friend zootle (I changed the name so as not to trigger anyone's homes) and find the exact codes.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 8 Sep 2020, at 13:46, JM Casey wrote:

Hello everyone. Using NVDA 2020.2, and, in this case, Chrome, my favourite browser for a ccessing youtube as it is extremely responsive to the keyboard commands.

Recently I’ve come to use youtube more than usual, and have finally taken a good amount of time to figure out how the interface actually works, how to navigate channels and the player, etc. I’ve come across some recordings that are several hours long. A cool thing is that if I exit the site for whatever reason and then come back to it, even well after the browser session is closed, my place is usually “remembered” by youtube. However, I’d like to be able to specify the time at which to start playing in presentations that are sometimes 6+ hours long. I am pretty sure this can be done, but I’m having trouble figuring out where the cursor should be positioned to enter in the vlue. I have tried switching browse mode off and being in the position where the current elapsed time fo the recording is shown, but this doesn’t seem to do the trick. I believe I understand what the format should be (hours:minutes:seconds).

Any tips?

Thanks!

 

 


Re: Entering time values on youtube website

JM Casey
 

Good find. The url supplementary parameter/address bar method is -- good enough.Cheers...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September 8, 2020 5:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Entering time values on youtube website

The controls are standard, a slider is a slider, an edit field is an edit field. You may find some way to do so, but I looked at the page of a playing video, I paused it to hear the screen-reader well but that doesn't matter, and I found no way to do so..

A Google search discloses a way to do this.
https://www.nexxtep.com/blog/2009/08/how-jump-to-a-specific-time-in-a-youtube-video-url
This has nothing to do with working with the interface, however. It is a way to add a time to the link to the video. You would have to check the time shown in the slider, copy the address from the address bar, add the time as described in the article, then save it using Notepad for future reference. You would paste it into the browser's address bar and go to the address, just as you would any address.

Regarding the numbers 1 through 9, they move through a video by percents of the file. If a file is short, the percent moved is much smaller than if the file is larger. 1 or 2 percent of a six hour file is a much larger time than 1 or 2 percent of a ten minute file.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 4:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Entering time values on youtube website

Hello gene.

Thanks. I had started discovering you could do this with number keys but the results weren't exactly as satisfactory as I would have hoped since the sections delineated seemed somewhat arbitrary. I will experiment a bit more. I really want to be able to enter a time value. Since the youtube player is some kind of web application I don't necessarily expect to see something "normal" like an edit field. I really thought at some point I had read that you could specify a time value to go to, but now I must concede that may not be the case at all.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September 8, 2020 5:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Entering time values on youtube website

I doubt there is such a way. When you move through a file by time, you are using a slider and it has no provision for working as an edit field. I checked and I foumd no edit field on a page with a video playing.

Do you know how to use numbers 1 through 9 to jump through a file? On a file this long, the jumps will be very large but it may get you close enough to where you want to be often enough that it will help quite a bit if you know how. If not, the best way, if moving to the correct time is cumbersome, might be to download the file and use a player on your computer to set a time point for.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 3:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Entering time values on youtube website



Hello everyone. Using NVDA 2020.2, and, in this case, Chrome, my favourite
browser for a ccessing youtube as it is extremely responsive to the keyboard
commands.

Recently I’ve come to use youtube more than usual, and have finally taken a
good amount of time to figure out how the interface actually works, how to
navigate channels and the player, etc. I’ve come across some recordings that
are several hours long. A cool thing is that if I exit the site for whatever
reason and then come back to it, even well after the browser session is
closed, my place is usually “remembered” by youtube. However, I’d like to be
able to specify the time at which to start playing in presentations that are
sometimes 6+ hours long. I am pretty sure this can be done, but I’m having
trouble figuring out where the cursor should be positioned to enter in the
vlue. I have tried switching browse mode off and being in the position where
the current elapsed time fo the recording is shown, but this doesn’t seem to
do the trick. I believe I understand what the format should be
(hours:minutes:seconds).

Any tips?

Thanks!

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