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Re: some keyboard commands

Gene
 

Fake clipboard announcement does what it says.  it says things like copied when you issue the command but it doesn't know if copying took place.  It is just programmed to say a word when a certain command is used.  I don't know what happends in the global plugin.  but will any of these plugins work with the upcoming new version of NVDA?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] some keyboard commands

There are others, like NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin and FakeClipboardAnouncement, both working in my NVDA Alpha with Python 3…

 

Rui

 

De: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Em Nome De Brian Vogel
Enviada: sábado, 11 de janeiro de 2020 16:16
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] some keyboard commands

 

I knew I'd seen something that made these commands, and some others, be announced, and a quick web search on "NVDA announce cut copy paste commands" led me directly to:


Clipspeak - addons.nvda-project.org

I need to remember to follow my own advice and do a simple web search for this sort of thing.  If you give enough specific search terms you get almost straight to the solution.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 


Re: vocalizer standard link for nvda 2019.3?

Rui Fontes
 

As soon as you buy the license...

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


-----Mensagem original-----
De: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Em Nome De Afik Souffir
Enviada: sexta-feira, 10 de janeiro de 2020 12:31
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] vocalizer standard link for nvda 2019.3?


I'm using the lateen voices the most.
Hebrew text isn't the problem.

Can I get the file please?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 2:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] vocalizer standard link for nvda 2019.3?

The Vocalizer Automotive uses a license file.

We did not sent you because this version do not have a Hebrew voice...

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


-----Mensagem original-----
De: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Em Nome De Afik Souffir
Enviada: sexta-feira, 10 de janeiro de 2020 11:42
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] vocalizer standard link for nvda 2019.3?


What its mean license file?
How can I get it?


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 12:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] vocalizer standard link for nvda 2019.3?

Ciao Simone!

You can get it in:

https://www.tiflotecnia.net/en/downloads.htm

Best regards,


Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


-----Mensagem original-----
De: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Em Nome De Simone Dal Maso
Enviada: sexta-feira, 10 de janeiro de 2020 09:47
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] vocalizer standard link for nvda 2019.3?

Hello,
I have the expressive driver for 2019.3, but I neeed the standard vocalizer
too.
Where can I download it?
thank you!


Re: some keyboard commands

Brice Mijares
 

Brian, it's just more assuring to hear it.

On 1/11/2020 7:56 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Probably because it's generally not considered necessary (though I'll be shocked if someone doesn't come back saying there's a setting you can use to do just that).
Visually, you get no indicator that a copy has occurred, though a cut is obvious since something disappears and a paste is just as obvious because something appears.  That being said, the CTRL+C (copy), CTRL+X (cut), and CTRL+V (paste) commands are used so frequently and are, in my experience, 100% reliable or very close to it, and become such an automatic thing for keyboard shortcut users that announcement as a default would be auditory clutter.
--
Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363
Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.
         ~ Robert Frost, /The Black Cottage/ (1914)


Re: some keyboard commands

 

Hi,

Sort of exists – all that is needed to be done is authors requesting addition of their add-ons to community add-ons website. At the moment there is a discussion about how to improve add-ons submission and discovery.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 8:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] some keyboard commands

 

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 11:30 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:

There are others, like NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin and FakeClipboardAnouncement, both working in my NVDA Alpha with Python 3…

I have little doubt.

I have wished that there was a true, central repository for NVDA add-ons since I started working with NVDA, but I doubt it's ever going to happen.  I've been around when myriad different user-created add-ons with very specific functions have been brought up, but if you don't know about them they're virtually impossible to find.

It would be nice to have an add-on repository that included fully vetted add-ons, both for current and prior versions of NVDA, under development add-ons, and the "free for all" area of community created add-ons that are completely at your own risk as far as using them.  The only reason anything would be taken out of that last category is if something were determined to be malicious.

I doubt that such a repository will ever come into existence, though.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 


Re: some keyboard commands

Sarah k Alawami
 

On 11 Jan 2020, at 8:25, Gene wrote:

If I've copied and pasted twenty files, then I copy and paste fifteen other files somewhere else, if the control c command doesn't work, I'll copy the twenty files I've already copied to the new location.  Then I must delete them all, go back, copy the new files again and paste them again

Not really. There is always control z for undo, so you can just undo your boo boo and be done with it. I did that when I copied over about 2000 1k zip files I didn't need. Woops

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Re: some keyboard commands

 

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 11:30 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
There are others, like NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin and FakeClipboardAnouncement, both working in my NVDA Alpha with Python 3…
I have little doubt.

I have wished that there was a true, central repository for NVDA add-ons since I started working with NVDA, but I doubt it's ever going to happen.  I've been around when myriad different user-created add-ons with very specific functions have been brought up, but if you don't know about them they're virtually impossible to find.

It would be nice to have an add-on repository that included fully vetted add-ons, both for current and prior versions of NVDA, under development add-ons, and the "free for all" area of community created add-ons that are completely at your own risk as far as using them.  The only reason anything would be taken out of that last category is if something were determined to be malicious.

I doubt that such a repository will ever come into existence, though.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 


Re: some keyboard commands

Rui Fontes
 

There are others, like NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin and FakeClipboardAnouncement, both working in my NVDA Alpha with Python 3…

 

Rui

 

De: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Em Nome De Brian Vogel
Enviada: sábado, 11 de janeiro de 2020 16:16
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] some keyboard commands

 

I knew I'd seen something that made these commands, and some others, be announced, and a quick web search on "NVDA announce cut copy paste commands" led me directly to:


Clipspeak - addons.nvda-project.org

I need to remember to follow my own advice and do a simple web search for this sort of thing.  If you give enough specific search terms you get almost straight to the solution.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 


Re: OCR

Gene
 

You can't legally fool around and somehow extract or cause the engine to work independently of the program.  If you purchase Fine Reader by itself, it is perhaps a tenth or a little more of the price of Kurzweil or Openbook.
 
There are free OCR programs that aren't nearly as good.  Also, I don't know what screen-reader you are using, but JAWS has built-in OCR these days that would do the occasional scanning you want to do.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

I guess, my point is:  I don't own either of the ocr packages but have
demos  and copies of both.  I don't feel the need to own either, but an
ocasional scan and read might be useful; even though it may be a bit
less accessible.

On 1/11/2020 9:22 AM, Gene wrote:
> Kurszweil may still allow you to set an engine.  Openbook used to, but
> they now have settings such as faster and slower, but more accurate. 
> It may be that one of these settings only uses one engine for speed. 
> One or two others use more than one and combine the results for best
> accuracy, or what Openbook says is best accuracy.  I haven't
> eexperimented much with this, but in the very little I've done, it
> appears to me that I may often get better results on the fastest
> setting.  I suspect the fastest setting only uses one engine.  I don't
> recall why, it was years ago, but the small amount of experimenting I
> did led me to believe that fastest uses Fine Reader.
> And just because one engine may be used in that you may be able to set
> one as you could and may still be able to in Kurzweil, that doesn't
> mean it is completely used.  For example, for a time, openbook used
> Fine Reader to decolumnize text, whichever engine you selected for
> recognition.  It may still do so; I haven't seen this discussed for a
> long time.  I don't know what Kurzweil did.
> But I'm not sure what you are asking.  You can't just run an engine
> from Openbook or Kurzweil and not have the rest of the program
> running.  And what would be the point?  It is no easier to scan if you
> could just run the engine.  You don't have to use any other features
> of Openbook or Kurzweil if you don't want to.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Howard Traxler <mailto:htraxler7@...>
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 11, 2020 8:31 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] OCR
>
> It's my impression that both open book and kurzweil use one of the
> popular recognition engines, omnipage, ABBY, etc?  With one of those
> packages installed, is it possible to use just the ocr engine without
> messing with the whole package?  I must put on my hacker's hat.
>
> Howard
>
> On 1/11/2020 6:11 AM, Angel wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps the difficulty often encountered with optical character
> > recognition software might be the sort of scanner employed. I
> > upgraded my computer, recently.  Which involved purchasing a new
> > scanner.  I changed brands of scanner.  I found my new scanner made
> > quite a difference in the ability to recognize character recognition.
> > Of course, I use the “Open Book” program.
> >
> > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> > Windows 10
> >
> > *From: *Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@...>
> > *Sent: *Saturday, January 11, 2020 1:35 AM
> > *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:*nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> > *Subject: *Re: [nvda] OCR
> >
> > While in university, I tried the demo and liked it.
> >
> > I couldn't afford the software so just cracked it with some serials some
> >
> > guy gave me from somewhere.
> >
> > I used it for the next 5 years.
> >
> > My eventual plan then was to buy the software but when I upgraded to the
> >
> > next windows version, that was one of the things I had to give up.
> >
> > If I ever get a actual well paying contract or something or win loto or
> >
> > something which gets me a load of cash though I'm going to buy it.
> >
> > I found the program a seemless experience using both abbyy and omnipage
> >
> > engines with braille translation and pdf viewing second to none and it
> >
> > would always be the prefured scanner of choice.
> >
> > I use abbyy fine reader and while that and knfb does work well enough, I
> >
> > would prefur it as it saved my rear many times.
> >
> > On 11/01/2020 5:57 pm, Monte Single wrote:
> >
> > > Yes,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > It is a great program;  toobad the k 1000 costs a thousand dollars,
> > but loaded with bells and whistles.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> > Shaun Everiss
> >
> > > Sent: January-10-20 7:22 PM
> >
> > > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> >
> > > Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Hmph.
> >
> > > I did not know that.
> >
> > > So I guess we can view the knfb reader is the kurzweil home version
> > with just basic scanning and ocr without the other stuff.
> >
> > > Now eventually I plan to get the regular k1000 as I used it at
> > university for various things, including braille conversion, and its a
> > really good program.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > On 11/01/2020, Monte Single <mrsingle@...
> <mailto:mrsingle@...>> wrote:
> >
> > >> Hi Shaun,
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> The k in knfb  comes from Kurzweil.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> The earliest versions of Kurzweil scanning software go back to the
> >
> > >> seventies.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> >
> > >> Shaun Everiss
> >
> > >> Sent: January-10-20 4:41 PM
> >
> > >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> >
> > >> Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or
> >
> > >> was it the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good
> program but
> >
> > >> had no idea it works with a scanner.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> Hi
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very
> >
> > >> accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer
> and it
> >
> > >> seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a
> >
> > >> spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it
> >
> > >> has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it
> >
> > >> was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to
> see how
> >
> > >> much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> Gene nz
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up
> Omnipage for
> >
> > >> a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write
> >
> > >> scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons
> > on the scanner.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they
> >
> > >> might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they
> are:
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document
> >
> > >> before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a
> >
> > >> file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form
> >
> > >> but is not yet readable by NVDA.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one
> >
> > >> you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using
> >
> > >> Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing
> >
> > >> Enter to start it.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were
> using
> >
> > >> last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> *       Load Omnipage.
> >
> > >> *       Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if
> > any, by
> >
> > >> pressing alt plus f then n.
> >
> > >> *       Press No when asked to save it.
> >
> > >> *       Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open
> > the workflows
> >
> > >> list.
> >
> > >> *       Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to
> > select it.
> >
> > >> *       Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s
> > - if you are
> >
> > >> scanning, the scan will start.
> >
> > >> *       N B  if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you
> > have saved
> >
> > >> earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be
> taken to
> >
> > >> a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set
> >
> > >> to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the
> > Downloads folder.
> >
> > >> *       Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow,
> > click the "stop
> >
> > >> loading pages" button.
> >
> > >> *       NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to
> > start speech and
> >
> > >> you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result.
> >
> > >> After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> *       turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t
> > then s.
> >
> > >> *       press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.
> >
> > >> *       you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.
> >
> > >> *       after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock
> > plus S.
> >
> > >>
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Re: some keyboard commands

Gene
 

I have, on occasion, issued the copy command and it didn't work for some reason.  Sometimes, this or that command doesn't work for some reason and I have to issue it twice, such as opening Computer. 
 
As I've said before, this can lead to a good deal of inconvenience.  If I've copied and pasted twenty files, then I copy and paste fifteen other files somewhere else, if the control c command doesn't work, I'll copy the twenty files I've already copied to the new location.  Then I must delete them all, go back, copy the new files again and paste them again.  it would be so much simpler if I heard something like copied when I use control c and I hear nothing if the command doesn't work. 
 
There is an add-on which I have no idea if it will work in the beta or upcoming new version of NVDA, that allows you to hear such announcements.  It should be in the program itself, System Access does this, and JAWS does this.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] some keyboard commands

I use cut, copy and paste a lot, every day.

Sometimes the paste command does not work, and that is because I did not make sure  I had the text or item selected.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: January-11-20 9:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] some keyboard commands

 

Probably because it's generally not considered necessary (though I'll be shocked if someone doesn't come back saying there's a setting you can use to do just that).

Visually, you get no indicator that a copy has occurred, though a cut is obvious since something disappears and a paste is just as obvious because something appears.  That being said, the CTRL+C (copy), CTRL+X (cut), and CTRL+V (paste) commands are used so frequently and are, in my experience, 100% reliable or very close to it, and become such an automatic thing for keyboard shortcut users that announcement as a default would be auditory clutter.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 


Re: Purchasing Eloquence

Gene
 

My recollection, from when I tried the demo, is that if you open the voice settings, control NVDA v, you can up and down arrow in the voice selection list and see the various Eloquence voices. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: John Isige
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

The one thing NVDA can't change, as far as I know, is the "voice
profile" in the advanced section of the Eloquence program. It's where
you pick voices like Reed, Gramma, and so on. I've never seen a reason
to change from the default myself, but it's there if anybody wants it,
and so far as I know,, you can only do that from the Eloquence program
itself.


On 1/11/2020 4:14 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
>
> That is what I discovered. When they were checked NVDA could not
> change anything.
>
> ******
>
> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
> you!
>
> *From: *John Isige <mailto:gwynn@...>
> *Sent: *Friday, January 10, 2020 10:01 PM
> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
>
> It shouldn't. If you tab through when you open the Eloquence program,
>
> there are three checkboxes, "force pitch settings", "force speech rate",
>
> and "force volume". If all of them are unchecked, NVDA should be able to
>
> change all of those settings and the changes should stay in place.
>
> On 1/10/2020 19:55, Gene wrote:
>
> > Maybe if you set anything in NVDA, it turns the force settings on.
>
> > Gene
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
>
> > *From:* Robert Doc Wright godfearer <mailto:godfearer@...>
>
> > *Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2020 7:21 PM
>
> > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
>
> >
>
> > I figured it out. If I set anything in eloquence it over rides the
>
> > NVDA settings.
>
> >
>
> > ******
>
> >
>
> > character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
>
> > you!
>
> >
>
> > *From: *Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
>
> > *Sent: *Friday, January 10, 2020 10:34 AM
>
> > *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
> > *Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
>
> >
>
> > Check the settings in the actual Eloquence program itself.  I've used
>
> > the demo but I didn't work with the settings enough to remember how
>
> > you get to this one.  But in the settings for the voices themselves,
>
> > there is a force setting.  Make sure it is off.  Force causes the
>
> > voices to disregard screen-reader settings and use settings for the
>
> > voices themselves.  It is off by default but yours may be on for some
>
> > reason.
>
> >
>
> > Gene
>
> >
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
>
> >
>
> > *From:*Robert Doc Wright godfearer <mailto:godfearer@...>
>
> >
>
> > *Sent:*Friday, January 10, 2020 8:14 AM
>
> >
>
> > *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
> >
>
> > *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
>
> >
>
> > I just purchased mine and no matter what I do if I press NVDA+ctrl+the
>
> > arrow keys the changes do not take affect. If I press NVDA+ctrl+v and
>
> > make changes they are not taking affect. Only when I open Sappi5
>
> > eloquence. On Code factory’s page I don’t recall seeing a choice
>
> > between Sappi5 and NVDA. Only   eloquence for windows.
>
> >
>
> > ******
>
> >
>
> > character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
>
> > you!
>
> >
>
> > *From: *John Isige <mailto:gwynn@...>
>
> > *Sent: *Friday, January 10, 2020 1:12 AM
>
> > *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
> > *Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
>
> >
>
> > Uh, no you don't. I can make those changes from the synth settings ring
>
> >
>
> > or the menus just fine. You've been able to do that since I bought it,
>
> >
>
> > and I think I'm up to version 1.6.6 or something. Unless they made a new
>
> >
>
> > version and broke something in the last month or so, you should be able
>
> >
>
> > to change settings without opening Eloquence. I only open mine if I need
>
> >
>
> > to deactivate before a major Windows update, and reactivate afterwards.
>
> >
>
> > On 1/10/2020 0:16, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > What I am noticing is that with the Sappi voice you lose the ability
>
> >
>
> > > to change speed, volume, pitch and rate. You have to open Eloquence to
>
> >
>
> > > make those  changes.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > ******
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
>
> >
>
> > > you!
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > *From: *coccinelle@... <mailto:coccinelle@...>
>
> >
>
> > > *Sent: *Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:27 PM
>
> >
>
> > > *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
> >
>
> > > *Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Is there a difference between the NVDA and the SAPI voices?
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Thanks
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Blessings
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Pascal
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Shaun
>
> >
>
> > > Everiss
>
> >
>
> > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 4:56 PM
>
> >
>
> > > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>
> >
>
> > > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > atguys.com has both the nvda and sapi versions.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Their support is good.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > On 10/01/2020 10:51 am, Dan Kerstetter wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >     Hello all.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >     Where is the best place from which to purchase the Eloquence
>
> >
>
> > >     speech synthesizer?  I’ve been to the code factory site;
>
> >
>
> > >     downloaded eloquence from their app store, but don’t know how to
>
> >
>
> > >     register/purchase it.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >     Any help, info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >     Thanks in advance.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >     For an hour of good alternative and classic rock tune in to my
>
> >
>
> > >     show:  A Little Bit of This and a Little Bit of That  Monday at
>
> >
>
> > >     5:00 eastern and Tuesday and Friday 8:00 eastern on out of sight
>
> >
>
> > >     radio.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > http://www.out-of-sight.net/radio
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> >
>
>



Re: OCR

Howard Traxler
 

I guess, my point is:  I don't own either of the ocr packages but have demos  and copies of both.  I don't feel the need to own either, but an ocasional scan and read might be useful; even though it may be a bit less accessible.

On 1/11/2020 9:22 AM, Gene wrote:
Kurszweil may still allow you to set an engine.  Openbook used to, but they now have settings such as faster and slower, but more accurate.  It may be that one of these settings only uses one engine for speed.  One or two others use more than one and combine the results for best accuracy, or what Openbook says is best accuracy.  I haven't eexperimented much with this, but in the very little I've done, it appears to me that I may often get better results on the fastest setting.  I suspect the fastest setting only uses one engine.  I don't recall why, it was years ago, but the small amount of experimenting I did led me to believe that fastest uses Fine Reader.
And just because one engine may be used in that you may be able to set one as you could and may still be able to in Kurzweil, that doesn't mean it is completely used.  For example, for a time, openbook used Fine Reader to decolumnize text, whichever engine you selected for recognition.  It may still do so; I haven't seen this discussed for a long time.  I don't know what Kurzweil did.
But I'm not sure what you are asking.  You can't just run an engine from Openbook or Kurzweil and not have the rest of the program running.  And what would be the point?  It is no easier to scan if you could just run the engine.  You don't have to use any other features of Openbook or Kurzweil if you don't want to.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Howard Traxler <mailto:htraxler7@...>
*Sent:* Saturday, January 11, 2020 8:31 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] OCR

It's my impression that both open book and kurzweil use one of the
popular recognition engines, omnipage, ABBY, etc?  With one of those
packages installed, is it possible to use just the ocr engine without
messing with the whole package?  I must put on my hacker's hat.

Howard

On 1/11/2020 6:11 AM, Angel wrote:

Perhaps the difficulty often encountered with optical character
recognition software might be the sort of scanner employed. I
upgraded my computer, recently.  Which involved purchasing a new
scanner.  I changed brands of scanner.  I found my new scanner made
quite a difference in the ability to recognize character recognition.
Of course, I use the “Open Book” program.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Shaun Everiss <mailto:@smeveriss>
*Sent: *Saturday, January 11, 2020 1:35 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:*nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] OCR

While in university, I tried the demo and liked it.

I couldn't afford the software so just cracked it with some serials some

guy gave me from somewhere.

I used it for the next 5 years.

My eventual plan then was to buy the software but when I upgraded to the

next windows version, that was one of the things I had to give up.

If I ever get a actual well paying contract or something or win loto or

something which gets me a load of cash though I'm going to buy it.

I found the program a seemless experience using both abbyy and omnipage

engines with braille translation and pdf viewing second to none and it

would always be the prefured scanner of choice.

I use abbyy fine reader and while that and knfb does work well enough, I

would prefur it as it saved my rear many times.

On 11/01/2020 5:57 pm, Monte Single wrote:

Yes,
It is a great program;  toobad the k 1000 costs a thousand dollars,
but loaded with bells and whistles.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss

Sent: January-10-20 7:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR
Hmph.
I did not know that.
So I guess we can view the knfb reader is the kurzweil home version
with just basic scanning and ocr without the other stuff.

Now eventually I plan to get the regular k1000 as I used it at
university for various things, including braille conversion, and its a
really good program.

On 11/01/2020, Monte Single <mrsingle@...
<mailto:mrsingle@...>> wrote:

Hi Shaun,
The k in knfb  comes from Kurzweil.
The earliest versions of Kurzweil scanning software go back to the
seventies.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

Shaun Everiss
Sent: January-10-20 4:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR
I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or
was it the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good
program but

had no idea it works with a scanner.
On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi
The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very
accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer
and it

seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a
spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.
I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it
has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it
was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to
see how

much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.
Gene nz
On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:
I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up
Omnipage for

a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner.
I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write
scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons
on the scanner.

What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they
might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they
are:

The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document
before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a
file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form
but is not yet readable by NVDA.
Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one
you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”.
The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using
Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing
Enter to start it.
It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were
using

last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:
*       Load Omnipage.
*       Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if
any, by

pressing alt plus f then n.
*       Press No when asked to save it.
*       Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open
the workflows

list.
*       Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to
select it.

*       Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s
- if you are

scanning, the scan will start.
*       N B  if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you
have saved

earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be
taken to

a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set
to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the
Downloads folder.

*       Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow,
click the "stop

loading pages" button.
*       NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to
start speech and

you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.
If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result.
After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:
*       turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t
then s.

*       press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.
*       you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.
*       after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock
plus S.




Re: some keyboard commands

 

I knew I'd seen something that made these commands, and some others, be announced, and a quick web search on "NVDA announce cut copy paste commands" led me directly to:

Clipspeak - addons.nvda-project.org

I need to remember to follow my own advice and do a simple web search for this sort of thing.  If you give enough specific search terms you get almost straight to the solution.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 


Re: some keyboard commands

Monte Single
 

I use cut, copy and paste a lot, every day.

Sometimes the paste command does not work, and that is because I did not make sure  I had the text or item selected.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: January-11-20 9:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] some keyboard commands

 

Probably because it's generally not considered necessary (though I'll be shocked if someone doesn't come back saying there's a setting you can use to do just that).

Visually, you get no indicator that a copy has occurred, though a cut is obvious since something disappears and a paste is just as obvious because something appears.  That being said, the CTRL+C (copy), CTRL+X (cut), and CTRL+V (paste) commands are used so frequently and are, in my experience, 100% reliable or very close to it, and become such an automatic thing for keyboard shortcut users that announcement as a default would be auditory clutter.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 


Re: some keyboard commands

 

Probably because it's generally not considered necessary (though I'll be shocked if someone doesn't come back saying there's a setting you can use to do just that).

Visually, you get no indicator that a copy has occurred, though a cut is obvious since something disappears and a paste is just as obvious because something appears.  That being said, the CTRL+C (copy), CTRL+X (cut), and CTRL+V (paste) commands are used so frequently and are, in my experience, 100% reliable or very close to it, and become such an automatic thing for keyboard shortcut users that announcement as a default would be auditory clutter.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 


Thunderbird Address Book Question?

Jim O'Sullivan
 

I have recently updated to the latest Thunderbird, 68.4.1.
When I go to the address book I get no spoken feedback when I up and down arrow through the list of my entries.
I can still type the first few letters of a name I am searching for, but I do not get any spoken indication of where I am in the list.
I can use alt+enter to go into edit an entry and then I have all fields spoken.
Is there anyway to fix this?
I am using NVDA 2019.2.

Jim


Re: Purchasing Eloquence

John Isige
 

The one thing NVDA can't change, as far as I know, is the "voice
profile" in the advanced section of the Eloquence program. It's where
you pick voices like Reed, Gramma, and so on. I've never seen a reason
to change from the default myself, but it's there if anybody wants it,
and so far as I know,, you can only do that from the Eloquence program
itself.

On 1/11/2020 4:14 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

That is what I discovered. When they were checked NVDA could not
change anything.

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
you!

*From: *John Isige <mailto:gwynn@...>
*Sent: *Friday, January 10, 2020 10:01 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

It shouldn't. If you tab through when you open the Eloquence program,

there are three checkboxes, "force pitch settings", "force speech rate",

and "force volume". If all of them are unchecked, NVDA should be able to

change all of those settings and the changes should stay in place.

On 1/10/2020 19:55, Gene wrote:

Maybe if you set anything in NVDA, it turns the force settings on.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Robert Doc Wright godfearer <mailto:godfearer@...>
*Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2020 7:21 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
I figured it out. If I set anything in eloquence it over rides the
NVDA settings.
******
character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
you!
*From: *Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent: *Friday, January 10, 2020 10:34 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
Check the settings in the actual Eloquence program itself.  I've used
the demo but I didn't work with the settings enough to remember how
you get to this one.  But in the settings for the voices themselves,
there is a force setting.  Make sure it is off.  Force causes the
voices to disregard screen-reader settings and use settings for the
voices themselves.  It is off by default but yours may be on for some
reason.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Robert Doc Wright godfearer <mailto:godfearer@...>
*Sent:*Friday, January 10, 2020 8:14 AM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
I just purchased mine and no matter what I do if I press NVDA+ctrl+the
arrow keys the changes do not take affect. If I press NVDA+ctrl+v and
make changes they are not taking affect. Only when I open Sappi5
eloquence. On Code factory’s page I don’t recall seeing a choice
between Sappi5 and NVDA. Only   eloquence for windows.
******
character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
you!
*From: *John Isige <mailto:gwynn@...>
*Sent: *Friday, January 10, 2020 1:12 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
Uh, no you don't. I can make those changes from the synth settings ring
or the menus just fine. You've been able to do that since I bought it,
and I think I'm up to version 1.6.6 or something. Unless they made a new
version and broke something in the last month or so, you should be able
to change settings without opening Eloquence. I only open mine if I need
to deactivate before a major Windows update, and reactivate afterwards.
On 1/10/2020 0:16, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
What I am noticing is that with the Sappi voice you lose the ability
to change speed, volume, pitch and rate. You have to open Eloquence to
make those  changes.
******
character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
you!
*From: *coccinelle@... <mailto:coccinelle@...>
*Sent: *Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:27 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
Is there a difference between the NVDA and the SAPI voices?
Thanks
Blessings
Pascal
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Shaun
Everiss
*Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 4:56 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
atguys.com has both the nvda and sapi versions.
Their support is good.
On 10/01/2020 10:51 am, Dan Kerstetter wrote:
     Hello all.
     Where is the best place from which to purchase the Eloquence
     speech synthesizer?  I’ve been to the code factory site;
     downloaded eloquence from their app store, but don’t know how to
     register/purchase it.
     Any help, info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
     Thanks in advance.
     For an hour of good alternative and classic rock tune in to my
     show:  A Little Bit of This and a Little Bit of That  Monday at
     5:00 eastern and Tuesday and Friday 8:00 eastern on out of sight
     radio.
http://www.out-of-sight.net/radio


some keyboard commands

Brice Mijares
 

Using NVDA, why don't NVDA echo the keyboard commands copy, cut, paste ETC?


Re: OCR

Gene
 

Kurszweil may still allow you to set an engine.  Openbook used to, but they now have settings such as faster and slower, but more accurate.  It may be that one of these settings only uses one engine for speed.  One or two others use more than one and combine the results for best accuracy, or what Openbook says is best accuracy.  I haven't eexperimented much with this, but in the very little I've done, it appears to me that I may often get better results on the fastest setting.  I suspect the fastest setting only uses one engine.  I don't recall why, it was years ago, but the small amount of experimenting I did led me to believe that fastest uses Fine Reader. 
 
And just because one engine may be used in that you may be able to set one as you could and may still be able to in Kurzweil, that doesn't mean it is completely used.  For example, for a time, openbook used Fine Reader to decolumnize text, whichever engine you selected for recognition.  It may still do so; I haven't seen this discussed for a long time.  I don't know what Kurzweil did.
 
But I'm not sure what you are asking.  You can't just run an engine from Openbook or Kurzweil and not have the rest of the program running.  And what would be the point?  It is no easier to scan if you could just run the engine.  You don't have to use any other features of Openbook or Kurzweil if you don't want to.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

It's my impression that both open book and kurzweil use one of the
popular recognition engines, omnipage, ABBY, etc?  With one of those
packages installed, is it possible to use just the ocr engine without
messing with the whole package?  I must put on my hacker's hat.

Howard

On 1/11/2020 6:11 AM, Angel wrote:
>
> Perhaps the difficulty often encountered with optical character
> recognition software might be the sort of scanner employed.  I
> upgraded my computer, recently.  Which involved purchasing a new
> scanner.  I changed brands of scanner.  I found my new scanner made
> quite a difference in the ability to recognize character recognition. 
> Of course, I use the “Open Book” program.
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> *From: *Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@...>
> *Sent: *Saturday, January 11, 2020 1:35 AM
> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] OCR
>
> While in university, I tried the demo and liked it.
>
> I couldn't afford the software so just cracked it with some serials some
>
> guy gave me from somewhere.
>
> I used it for the next 5 years.
>
> My eventual plan then was to buy the software but when I upgraded to the
>
> next windows version, that was one of the things I had to give up.
>
> If I ever get a actual well paying contract or something or win loto or
>
> something which gets me a load of cash though I'm going to buy it.
>
> I found the program a seemless experience using both abbyy and omnipage
>
> engines with braille translation and pdf viewing second to none and it
>
> would always be the prefured scanner of choice.
>
> I use abbyy fine reader and while that and knfb does work well enough, I
>
> would prefur it as it saved my rear many times.
>
> On 11/01/2020 5:57 pm, Monte Single wrote:
>
> > Yes,
>
> >
>
> > It is a great program;  toobad the k 1000 costs a thousand dollars,
> but loaded with bells and whistles.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Shaun Everiss
>
> > Sent: January-10-20 7:22 PM
>
> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>
> > Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR
>
> >
>
> > Hmph.
>
> > I did not know that.
>
> > So I guess we can view the knfb reader is the kurzweil home version
> with just basic scanning and ocr without the other stuff.
>
> > Now eventually I plan to get the regular k1000 as I used it at
> university for various things, including braille conversion, and its a
> really good program.
>
> >
>
> > On 11/01/2020, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:
>
> >> Hi Shaun,
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> The k in knfb  comes from Kurzweil.
>
> >>
>
> >> The earliest versions of Kurzweil scanning software go back to the
>
> >> seventies.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>
> >> Shaun Everiss
>
> >> Sent: January-10-20 4:41 PM
>
> >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>
> >> Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or
>
> >> was it the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good program but
>
> >> had no idea it works with a scanner.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> Hi
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very
>
> >> accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it
>
> >> seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a
>
> >> spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it
>
> >> has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it
>
> >> was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how
>
> >> much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Gene nz
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for
>
> >> a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write
>
> >> scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons
> on the scanner.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they
>
> >> might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document
>
> >> before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a
>
> >> file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form
>
> >> but is not yet readable by NVDA.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one
>
> >> you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using
>
> >> Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing
>
> >> Enter to start it.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using
>
> >> last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:
>
> >>
>
> >> *       Load Omnipage.
>
> >> *       Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if
> any, by
>
> >> pressing alt plus f then n.
>
> >> *       Press No when asked to save it.
>
> >> *       Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open
> the workflows
>
> >> list.
>
> >> *       Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to
> select it.
>
> >> *       Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s
> - if you are
>
> >> scanning, the scan will start.
>
> >> *       N B  if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you
> have saved
>
> >> earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to
>
> >> a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set
>
> >> to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the
> Downloads folder.
>
> >> *       Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow,
> click the "stop
>
> >> loading pages" button.
>
> >> *       NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to
> start speech and
>
> >> you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.
>
> >>
>
> >> If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result.
>
> >> After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:
>
> >>
>
> >> *       turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t
> then s.
>
> >> *       press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.
>
> >> *       you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.
>
> >> *       after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock
> plus S.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
>




Re: OCR

Pascal Lambert
 

Hi,

Have been using the HP I.R.I.S. OCR which came with my HP Jet Pro printer 8710 wireless a printer/scanner combo purchased 3 years ago for $99.  It works well and is accessible with NVDA.  It saves in PDF image, RTF and TXT. The printer has a document feeder that accommodate 50 pages.

Blessings

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 9:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

I have been using scanners since the last millennium.

I have used Canon, hp and Epson brands.

From my experience, the only reason the scanner would yield poor results is if the platen is dirty or the quality of the  text is poor.

It is the ocr software and the software setting that determine the results.

Just because the hardware specs of the scanner   are higher has nothing to do with the ocr results.

Most ocr software is set  to 300 dots per inch when scanning text.

This is about the lowest resolution a typical scanner is set to.

I may be be mistaken in some respect,  but this has been my experience.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: January-11-20 6:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

Perhaps the difficulty often encountered with optical character recognition software might be the sort of scanner employed.  I upgraded my computer, recently.  Which involved purchasing a new scanner.  I changed brands of scanner.  I found my new scanner made quite a difference in the ability to recognize character recognition.  Of course, I use the “Open Book” program.    

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 1:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

While in university, I tried the demo and liked it.

 

I couldn't afford the software so just cracked it with some serials some

guy gave me from somewhere.

 

I used it for the next 5 years.

 

My eventual plan then was to buy the software but when I upgraded to the

next windows version, that was one of the things I had to give up.

 

If I ever get a actual well paying contract or something or win loto or

something which gets me a load of cash though I'm going to buy it.

 

I found the program a seemless experience using both abbyy and omnipage

engines with braille translation and pdf viewing second to none and it

would always be the prefured scanner of choice.

 

I use abbyy fine reader and while that and knfb does work well enough, I

would prefur it as it saved my rear many times.

 

 

 

On 11/01/2020 5:57 pm, Monte Single wrote:

> Yes,

> It is a great program;  toobad the k 1000 costs a thousand dollars, but loaded with bells and whistles.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss

> Sent: January-10-20 7:22 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

> Hmph.

> I did not know that.

> So I guess we can view the knfb reader is the kurzweil home version with just basic scanning and ocr without the other stuff.

> Now eventually I plan to get the regular k1000 as I used it at university for various things, including braille conversion, and its a really good program.

> On 11/01/2020, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:

>> Hi Shaun,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The k in knfb  comes from Kurzweil.

>> 

>> The earliest versions of Kurzweil scanning software go back to the

>> seventies.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Shaun Everiss

>> Sent: January-10-20 4:41 PM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or

>> was it the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good program but

>> had no idea it works with a scanner.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

>> 

>> Hi

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very

>> accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it

>> seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a

>> spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it

>> has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it

>> was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how

>> much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Gene nz

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:

>> 

>> I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for

>> a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write

>> scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons on the scanner.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they

>> might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document

>> before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a

>> file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form

>> but is not yet readable by NVDA.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one

>> you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using

>> Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing

>> Enter to start it.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using

>> last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:

>> 

>> *       Load Omnipage.

>> *       Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if any, by

>> pressing alt plus f then n.

>> *       Press No when asked to save it.

>> *       Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open the workflows

>> list.

>> *       Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to select it.

>> *       Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s - if you are

>> scanning, the scan will start.

>> *       N B  if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you have saved

>> earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to

>> a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set

>> to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the Downloads folder.

>> *       Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow, click the "stop

>> loading pages" button.

>> *       NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to start speech and

>> you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.

>> 

>> If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result.

>> After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:

>> 

>> *       turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t then s.

>> *       press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.

>> *       you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.

>> *       after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock plus S.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 


Re: OCR

Monte Single
 

I have been using scanners since the last millennium.

I have used Canon, hp and Epson brands.

From my experience, the only reason the scanner would yield poor results is if the platen is dirty or the quality of the  text is poor.

It is the ocr software and the software setting that determine the results.

Just because the hardware specs of the scanner   are higher has nothing to do with the ocr results.

Most ocr software is set  to 300 dots per inch when scanning text.

This is about the lowest resolution a typical scanner is set to.

I may be be mistaken in some respect,  but this has been my experience.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: January-11-20 6:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

Perhaps the difficulty often encountered with optical character recognition software might be the sort of scanner employed.  I upgraded my computer, recently.  Which involved purchasing a new scanner.  I changed brands of scanner.  I found my new scanner made quite a difference in the ability to recognize character recognition.  Of course, I use the “Open Book” program.    

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 1:35 AM
To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

While in university, I tried the demo and liked it.

 

I couldn't afford the software so just cracked it with some serials some

guy gave me from somewhere.

 

I used it for the next 5 years.

 

My eventual plan then was to buy the software but when I upgraded to the

next windows version, that was one of the things I had to give up.

 

If I ever get a actual well paying contract or something or win loto or

something which gets me a load of cash though I'm going to buy it.

 

I found the program a seemless experience using both abbyy and omnipage

engines with braille translation and pdf viewing second to none and it

would always be the prefured scanner of choice.

 

I use abbyy fine reader and while that and knfb does work well enough, I

would prefur it as it saved my rear many times.

 

 

 

On 11/01/2020 5:57 pm, Monte Single wrote:

> Yes,

> It is a great program;  toobad the k 1000 costs a thousand dollars, but loaded with bells and whistles.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss

> Sent: January-10-20 7:22 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

> Hmph.

> I did not know that.

> So I guess we can view the knfb reader is the kurzweil home version with just basic scanning and ocr without the other stuff.

> Now eventually I plan to get the regular k1000 as I used it at university for various things, including braille conversion, and its a really good program.

> On 11/01/2020, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:

>> Hi Shaun,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The k in knfb  comes from Kurzweil.

>> 

>> The earliest versions of Kurzweil scanning software go back to the

>> seventies.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Shaun Everiss

>> Sent: January-10-20 4:41 PM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or

>> was it the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good program but

>> had no idea it works with a scanner.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

>> 

>> Hi

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very

>> accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it

>> seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a

>> spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it

>> has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it

>> was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how

>> much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Gene nz

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:

>> 

>> I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for

>> a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write

>> scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons on the scanner.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they

>> might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document

>> before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a

>> file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form

>> but is not yet readable by NVDA.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one

>> you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using

>> Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing

>> Enter to start it.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using

>> last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:

>> 

>> *       Load Omnipage.

>> *       Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if any, by

>> pressing alt plus f then n.

>> *       Press No when asked to save it.

>> *       Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open the workflows

>> list.

>> *       Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to select it.

>> *       Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s - if you are

>> scanning, the scan will start.

>> *       N B  if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you have saved

>> earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to

>> a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set

>> to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the Downloads folder.

>> *       Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow, click the "stop

>> loading pages" button.

>> *       NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to start speech and

>> you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.

>> 

>> If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result.

>> After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:

>> 

>> *       turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t then s.

>> *       press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.

>> *       you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.

>> *       after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock plus S.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>