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Re: Helping to make an Edge/Chrome RSS reader accessible

William
 

I use ifttt plus gmail, in that way you will not be restricted to either particular rss client

Amir 於 8/8/2020 15:00 寫道:

Greetings,


If you are into RSS feeds and feed subscriptions, you most likely know that Windows suffers from a paucity of accessible RSS readers. Internet Explorer offers an accessible RSS reader, but accessing articles in IE is quite problematic these days given the age of the browser itself. Thunderbird offers a good one, but it doesn't work the way a standard reader should operate in many ways. So I decided to see if I can find a good and stand-alone, I mean service/subscription-independent, RSS extension for MS Edge Chromium/Google Chrome as they have become quite popular. I tested a few readers but landed upon Smart RSS which, despite its accessibility shortcomings, sounds more promising: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/smart-rss/eggggihfcaabljfpjiiaohloefmgejic?hl=en <https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/smart-rss/eggggihfcaabljfpjiiaohloefmgejic?hl=en>

Fortunately the developer is quite responsive and really wants to help make Smart RSS more accessible on Github. So if you are interested, please visit the following page and chip in with your perspectives and suggestions: https://github.com/SmartRSS/Smart-RSS/issues/132 <https://github.com/SmartRSS/Smart-RSS/issues/132>

Hope together we can find an accessible RSS solution for Windows 10/MS Edge Chromium/Google Chrome in order to get rid of Internet Explorer 11, once and for all!


Best,

Amir



Re: Helping to make an Edge/Chrome RSS reader accessible

Hope Williamson
 

Wow, no kidding, I haven't had any luck using Inoreader ever!! Not only
that but the limits are ridiculous.


Re: Helping to make an Edge/Chrome RSS reader accessible

Hope Williamson
 

So what happens if you have several feeds from one single website. Is
it possible to place all website-specific feeds under a single branch
or tree view? Or will all articles belonging to all feeds be presented
together? If the latter, it'll make handling feeds and articles quite
cumbersome.
    This is called the river of news format. It's the way most modern
RSS readers do things unfortunately. In fact, it makes your RSS reader
look more like Twitter, than an RSs reader.

    I tend to call the better way, the feeds list format." As in
there's a list of feeds, and articles from a particular feed are
displayed when you click on a feed from that list. OK OK, so that's the
more old-fashioned way of doing things, but it works well.


Re: problem with edge

Gary Metzler
 

Hi Brian,

 

Thanks for fixing my message.  I don’t know what is going on here.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 8:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with edge

 

Gary,

            I am going to reconstruct your message and put it below.  But this is either the second or third message that has come through with the majority of it after your signature line.  The other ones were similar, in that your greeting line and the first few words of the first line are fine, then all the words that follow it end up after the dot net in your Sendto line.

Reconstructed message:
-----------------------

Hi All,

 

I am using win10 2004 nvda 2020.2 and edge version 85.  For some reason when I start edge either from my desktop or task bar All I hear is loading complete.  I have say all checked under browser settings.  Has this happened to anyone else if so how did you fix it?  Thanks for any help.

Regards, Gary KN4OX

 

Sendto: gmtravel@...

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Re: problem with edge

 

Gary,

            I am going to reconstruct your message and put it below.  But this is either the second or third message that has come through with the majority of it after your signature line.  The other ones were similar, in that your greeting line and the first few words of the first line are fine, then all the words that follow it end up after the dot net in your Sendto line.

Reconstructed message:
-----------------------

Hi All,

 

I am using win10 2004 nvda 2020.2 and edge version 85.  For some reason when I start edge either from my desktop or task bar All I hear is loading complete.  I have say all checked under browser settings.  Has this happened to anyone else if so how did you fix it?  Thanks for any help.

Regards, Gary KN4OX

 

Sendto: gmtravel@...

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problem with edge

Gary Metzler
 

Hi All,

 

I am using win10 2004 nvda

 

Regards, Gary KN4OX

Sendto: gmtravel@...

2020.2 and edge version 85.  For some reason when I start edge either from my desktop or task bar All I hear is loading complete.  I have say all checked under browser settings.  Has this happened to anyone else if so how did you fix it?  Thanks for any help.


Re: A call for testing to users of the OCR add-on

Lukasz Golonka
 

Hello,

On Fri, 28 Aug 2020 16:14:04 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
"David Ingram" <dingram269@earthlink.net> wrote:

How do I get the ocr ad-on? I could not seem to be able to find it. could someone send a direct link. Thank you.
It can be downloaded from official add-ons website here:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/ocr.en.html


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Re: A call for testing to users of the OCR add-on

David Ingram
 

How do I get the ocr ad-on? I could not seem to be able to find it. could someone send a direct link. Thank you.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lukasz Golonka <lukasz.golonka@mailbox.org>
Sent: Aug 23, 2020 4:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A call for testing to users of the OCR add-on

Hello,

On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 02:34:42 -0600
"Robert Doc Wright godfearer" <godfearer@comcast.net> wrote:

Is this suppose to what Jaws does for reading print from a scanner?

No, this add-on allows to recognize current navigator object with
Tesseract engine similar to what is possible with NVDA built-in OCR but
works regardless of Windows version.

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Regards
Lukasz



Re: Indicating Spelling Error

Gene
 

This qquestion assumes that Jarte flags misspelled words in the text. We first need to know if it does. If not, you would be asking for a new feature in general.

It may do so but Jarte is based on Wordpad and Wordpad doesn't do this.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 2:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Indicating Spelling Error

That's nice, but NVDA buzzes in word hwen it encounters a spelling error. I want to talk to the Jarte people so they can modify their program so NVDA does it there too. I did not ask how to spell check in Jarte. Thanks though.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jackie" <abletec@gmail.com>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 11:50:16 -0700
Subject: Re: [nvda] Indicating Spelling Error

Press f7 in Jarte. Once Jarte stops, Down arrow to the context menu.
You'll see your error. Continued down arrowing shows you other
options, including spelling suggestions, as well as ignoring once,
all, or adding to dictionary.

On 8/28/20, Rob Hudson <rob_hudson3182@opopanax.net> wrote:
What is the mechanism used by NVDA to indicate a spelling error?

I would like to talk to the folks at Jarte and have them ad something to
their program so that NVDA indicates spelling errors just like it does in
Word or one of the web browsers.




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Re: Indicating Spelling Error

Rob Hudson
 

That's nice, but NVDA buzzes in word hwen it encounters a spelling error. I want to talk to the Jarte people so they can modify their program so NVDA does it there too. I did not ask how to spell check in Jarte. Thanks though.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jackie" <abletec@gmail.com>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 11:50:16 -0700
Subject: Re: [nvda] Indicating Spelling Error

Press f7 in Jarte. Once Jarte stops, Down arrow to the context menu.
You'll see your error. Continued down arrowing shows you other
options, including spelling suggestions, as well as ignoring once,
all, or adding to dictionary.

On 8/28/20, Rob Hudson <rob_hudson3182@opopanax.net> wrote:
What is the mechanism used by NVDA to indicate a spelling error?

I would like to talk to the folks at Jarte and have them ad something to
their program so that NVDA indicates spelling errors just like it does in
Word or one of the web browsers.




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Re: Indicating Spelling Error

Jackie
 

Press f7 in Jarte. Once Jarte stops, Down arrow to the context menu.
You'll see your error. Continued down arrowing shows you other
options, including spelling suggestions, as well as ignoring once,
all, or adding to dictionary.

On 8/28/20, Rob Hudson <rob_hudson3182@opopanax.net> wrote:
What is the mechanism used by NVDA to indicate a spelling error?

I would like to talk to the folks at Jarte and have them ad something to
their program so that NVDA indicates spelling errors just like it does in
Word or one of the web browsers.



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Indicating Spelling Error

Rob Hudson
 

What is the mechanism used by NVDA to indicate a spelling error?

I would like to talk to the folks at Jarte and have them ad something to their program so that NVDA indicates spelling errors just like it does in Word or one of the web browsers.


Re: Helping to make an Edge/Chrome RSS reader accessible

Amir
 

So what happens if you have several feeds from one single website. Is it possible to place all website-specific feeds under a single branch or tree view? Or will all articles belonging to all feeds be presented together? If the latter, it'll make handling feeds and articles quite cumbersome.

Best,
Amir


Re: Few questions regarding the Place Markers add-on

Amir
 

my tests indicate that the Place Markers add-on cannot extend a mark's functionality to domains. That is, each mark is useful for the page on which it was created. Rather disappointing IMO. Moreover, it tends to lose the position for which it was created if the page undergoes some changes. So, with all respect, it can't match the JAWS Place Marker functionality in its current form.

Cheers,
Amir


update on editing with NVDA when writing a comment

Pascal Lambert
 

Hi,

On www.breitbard.com website which uses Discus for comments, NVDA is not reading the comment and when restarted it reads the comment does not allow editing as it does not voice the letters as you navigate with the cursor.  I just found this morning that this is happening when using Google Chrome and not Firefox.  A week earlier I did not have this problem with Google Chrome either.  Any insight is greatly appreciated.

Blessings

Pascal 

  


Re: Helping to make an Edge/Chrome RSS reader accessible

Vincent van Itallie
 

I've used theoldreader for qa few years as described in this subject.
However I started to use inoreader from now on because of their automation options.
It is far from accessible but I am trying to do somesugguestions via their support team.
I use inoreader on windows 10 with a app called myreader, you can get it from the win 10 store.
Only issue I have is that It wo'nt read the name of the site the article comes from.
You have a simple listview and with a keystroke you can open each article in your webbroser of cchoise.
You can start articles from the ap and so on.

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On Sun, Aug 9, 2020, at 8:14 PM, Cristóbal wrote:

Don’t know what to tell you, but at least for me, it’s not all that complicated. I’ve got my feeds sorted nicely into folders that are all displayed on one page. First it’s the folder then the individual feeds below it. I can view all feed entries by folder or feed. Oldest to newest and vice versa. Have them shown as a list view or full article. Share an article to Facebook or Twitter (in my case, I don’t have these services connected for this option), Save to Instapaper or Pocket or share  via email. Again, you don’t “have to pay). There is a free option. Paying the nominal amount is to unlock bonus features, be able to retrieve a larger number of feeds  and again, to support the service. I recall a few months ago a new RSS service based out of Germany being talked about. Like a lot of other services, they touted their privacy-centric approach, but again, they were web based and also had free and paid options. Who’s to say their assurances aren’t any better or worse about data privacy than any other random add-on or extension…

I did try using Outlook’s built in RSS feed for like five minutes and that  was a no go for sure. No structure or easy way to navigate by topic etc.

I’ve had my share of hopefully so far unsuccessful  attempts to get into my accounts too. A password manager, 2FA wherever possible, etc is a good idea regardless of what service you may or may not use.  

 

Cristóbal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amir
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 10:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Helping to make an Edge/Chrome RSS reader accessible

 

Cristóbal, it's mostly a matter of taste although I feel I shouldn't have to pay $2 or more per month for a service when stand-alone extensions can do the job and Internet Explorer has been propelling it for many years. Moreover, with email I also tend to use Thunderbird rather than the web interface. Unlike you I feel finding information, or even a single feed hidden in a folder when you have more than 100 feeds, via the web interface is much more cumbersome and time-consuming than utilizing a stand-alone app. Finally -- and as someone who has been the target of hopefully unsuccessful Apple and Gmail hacking attacks, I guess it's much more important than you portray. At any event and as you rightly said, to each their own.

 

Best,

Amir




Re: Capslock as modifier

Gene
 

Thank you. I'll look at it.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 8:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier


There is an issue open for that use case Gene. There have been some technical limitations on implementing it in the past. I'm not sure whether those still exist, but the issue is here if you are interested: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3286

Quentin.


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I understand that they have very different functions. I've seen them both
but I didn't realize what was being described as to the beep when reviewing
text you are describing.

I've never played with the beep for capitals in the settings for the voice
dialog. However, there is what I consider a serious omission inits
function. it doesn't beep for capitals unless you are moving through text
by carachter. If you move by word, it doesn't beep, if you are using read
to end, it doesn't beep. I have to be moving by caracter. I consider that
to be a serious omission.

gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Davis
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 7:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier

It is not more limited. It is just different.

The first beeps if you type a lower-case letter while holding shift. Since
that
only happens if capslock is on, it is an effective indication of capslock.

The second is effective when reviewing text: it doesn't relate to typing,
but
to situations wherein you are arrowing around or using review commands.
Similar to, or an alternative to, the change pitch for capital letters
option,
it is just a method of alerting you to capital letters that you are reading.
Incidental to speak typed characters, it also happens to beep when you type
a
capital letter, but that isn't its primary function.

The first relates to writing, the second to reading. Neither is "more
limited"
than the other, they solve different problems.

Luke


On Thu, 27 Aug 2020, Gene wrote:

Does that mean that the more limited one should be removed?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Quentin Christensen

Gene there are two settings mentioned in the thread, which initially sound
similar, but work differently to each other:

In NVDA's keyboard settings there is an option "Beep if typing lowercase
letters when caps lock is on". That option beeps when caps lock is on AND
you then press SHIFT and type a letter (which will come out lowercase).
That option works regardless of your keyboard echo settings.

In NVDA'S speech settings there is an option "Beep for capitals". With
that on whenever you arrow to a capital letter or type a capital letter,
NVDA will beep, however it only does this when reading the letter, so it
only reads while typing if speak typed characters is enabled.









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Re: Follow-up: so what will happen to Joseph Lee's add-ons when he steps back

rowen brian <manchen0528@...>
 

Congratulations Joseph


Re: Capslock as modifier

Quentin Christensen
 

There is an issue open for that use case Gene.  There have been some technical limitations on implementing it in the past.  I'm not sure whether those still exist, but the issue is here if you are interested:  https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3286

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I understand that they have very different functions.  I've seen them both
but I didn't realize what was being described as to the beep when reviewing
text you are describing.

I've never played with the beep for capitals in the settings for the voice
dialog.  However, there is what I consider a serious omission inits
function.  it doesn't beep for capitals unless you are moving through text
by carachter.  If you move by word, it doesn't beep, if you are using read
to end, it doesn't beep.  I have to be moving by caracter.  I consider that
to be a serious omission.

gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Davis
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 7:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier

It is not more limited.  It is just different.

The first beeps if you type a lower-case letter while holding shift.  Since
that
only happens if capslock is on, it is an effective indication of capslock.

The second is effective when reviewing text: it doesn't relate to typing,
but
to situations wherein you are arrowing around or using review commands.
Similar to, or an alternative to, the change pitch for capital letters
option,
it is just a method of alerting you to capital letters that you are reading.
Incidental to speak typed characters, it also happens to beep when you type
a
capital letter, but that isn't its primary function.

The first relates to writing, the second to reading.  Neither is "more
limited"
than the other, they solve different problems.

Luke


On Thu, 27 Aug 2020, Gene wrote:

> Does that mean that the more limited one should be removed?
>
> Gene
> -----Original Message----- From: Quentin Christensen
>
> Gene there are two settings mentioned in the thread, which initially sound
> similar, but work differently to each other:
>
> In NVDA's keyboard settings there is an option "Beep if typing lowercase
> letters when caps lock is on".  That option beeps when caps lock is on AND
> you then press SHIFT and type a letter (which will come out lowercase).
> That option works regardless of your keyboard echo settings.
>
> In NVDA'S speech settings there is an option "Beep for capitals".  With
> that on whenever you arrow to a capital letter or type a capital letter,
> NVDA will beep, however it only does this when reading the letter, so it
> only reads while typing if speak typed characters is enabled.








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Re: Capslock as modifier

Gene
 

I understand that they have very different functions. I've seen them both but I didn't realize what was being described as to the beep when reviewing text you are describing.

I've never played with the beep for capitals in the settings for the voice dialog. However, there is what I consider a serious omission inits function. it doesn't beep for capitals unless you are moving through text by carachter. If you move by word, it doesn't beep, if you are using read to end, it doesn't beep. I have to be moving by caracter. I consider that to be a serious omission.

gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Davis
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 7:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Capslock as modifier

It is not more limited. It is just different.

The first beeps if you type a lower-case letter while holding shift. Since that
only happens if capslock is on, it is an effective indication of capslock.

The second is effective when reviewing text: it doesn't relate to typing, but
to situations wherein you are arrowing around or using review commands.
Similar to, or an alternative to, the change pitch for capital letters option,
it is just a method of alerting you to capital letters that you are reading.
Incidental to speak typed characters, it also happens to beep when you type a
capital letter, but that isn't its primary function.

The first relates to writing, the second to reading. Neither is "more limited"
than the other, they solve different problems.

Luke


On Thu, 27 Aug 2020, Gene wrote:

Does that mean that the more limited one should be removed?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Quentin Christensen

Gene there are two settings mentioned in the thread, which initially sound similar, but work differently to each other:

In NVDA's keyboard settings there is an option "Beep if typing lowercase letters when caps lock is on". That option beeps when caps lock is on AND you then press SHIFT and type a letter (which will come out lowercase). That option works regardless of your keyboard echo settings.

In NVDA'S speech settings there is an option "Beep for capitals". With that on whenever you arrow to a capital letter or type a capital letter, NVDA will beep, however it only does this when reading the letter, so it only reads while typing if speak typed characters is enabled.

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