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Re: OCR

André
 

I am actually a little bit surprised. I used Kurzweil Educational
Systems 1000 with a scanner when I was in school 15 years ago. But at
the time, this ocr did a lot of mistakes, meaning that even quite common
characters  in plain text where often recognized falsely. In contrast to
that, Abby   FineReader has trouble only with special mathematical
symbols, or if the resolution of the image is very poor. Otherwise, I
have not yet encountered mistakes  with its OCR / I use version 14. But
maybe the Kurzweil OCR engine improved over the last years?



On 11/01/2020 07:35, Shaun Everiss wrote:
While in university, I tried the demo and liked it.

I couldn't afford the software so just cracked it with some serials
some guy gave me from somewhere.

I used it for the next 5 years.

My eventual plan then was to buy the software but when I upgraded to
the next windows version, that was one of the things I had to give up.

If I ever get a actual well paying contract or something or win loto
or something which gets me a load of cash though I'm going to buy it.

I found the program a seemless experience using both abbyy and
omnipage engines with braille translation and pdf viewing second to
none and it would always be the prefured scanner of choice.

I use abbyy fine reader and while that and knfb does work well enough,
I would prefur it as it saved my rear many times.



On 11/01/2020 5:57 pm, Monte Single wrote:
Yes,

It is a great program;  toobad the k 1000 costs a thousand dollars,
but loaded with bells and whistles.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss
Sent: January-10-20 7:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

Hmph.
I did not know that.
So I guess we can view the knfb reader is the kurzweil home version
with just basic scanning and ocr without the other stuff.
Now eventually I plan to get the regular k1000 as I used it at
university for various things, including braille conversion, and its
a really good program.

On 11/01/2020, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:
Hi Shaun,



The k in knfb  comes from Kurzweil.

The earliest versions of Kurzweil scanning software go back to the
seventies.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss
Sent: January-10-20 4:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR



I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or
was it the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good program but
had no idea it works with a scanner.





On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi



The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very
accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it
seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a
spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.



I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it
has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it
was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how
much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.



Gene nz



On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:

I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for
a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner.



I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write
scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons
on the scanner.



What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they
might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:



The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document
before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a
file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form
but is not yet readable by NVDA.



Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one
you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”.



The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using
Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing
Enter to start it.



It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using
last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:

*    Load Omnipage.
*    Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if any, by
pressing alt plus f then n.
*    Press No when asked to save it.
*    Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open the
workflows
list.
*    Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to
select it.
*    Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s - if
you are
scanning, the scan will start.
*    N B  if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you have
saved
earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to
a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set
to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the
Downloads folder.
*    Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow,
click the "stop
loading pages" button.
*    NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to start
speech and
you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.

If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result.
After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:

*    turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t
then s.
*    press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.
*    you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.
*    after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock plus S.














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Re: Purchasing Eloquence

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

That is what I discovered. When they were checked NVDA could not change anything.

 

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!                                                                       

 

From: John Isige
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 10:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

 

It shouldn't. If you tab through when you open the Eloquence program,

there are three checkboxes, "force pitch settings", "force speech rate",

and "force volume". If all of them are unchecked, NVDA should be able to

change all of those settings and the changes should stay in place.

 

 

 

On 1/10/2020 19:55, Gene wrote:

> Maybe if you set anything in NVDA, it turns the force settings on.

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> *From:* Robert Doc Wright godfearer <mailto:godfearer@...>

> *Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2020 7:21 PM

> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> I figured it out. If I set anything in eloquence it over rides the

> NVDA settings.

> ******

> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for

> you!

> *From: *Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>

> *Sent: *Friday, January 10, 2020 10:34 AM

> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> Check the settings in the actual Eloquence program itself.  I've used

> the demo but I didn't work with the settings enough to remember how

> you get to this one.  But in the settings for the voices themselves,

> there is a force setting.  Make sure it is off.  Force causes the

> voices to disregard screen-reader settings and use settings for the

> voices themselves.  It is off by default but yours may be on for some

> reason.

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> *From:*Robert Doc Wright godfearer <mailto:godfearer@...>

> *Sent:*Friday, January 10, 2020 8:14 AM

> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> I just purchased mine and no matter what I do if I press NVDA+ctrl+the

> arrow keys the changes do not take affect. If I press NVDA+ctrl+v and

> make changes they are not taking affect. Only when I open Sappi5

> eloquence. On Code factory’s page I don’t recall seeing a choice

> between Sappi5 and NVDA. Only   eloquence for windows.

> ******

> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for

> you!

> *From: *John Isige <mailto:gwynn@...>

> *Sent: *Friday, January 10, 2020 1:12 AM

> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> Uh, no you don't. I can make those changes from the synth settings ring

> or the menus just fine. You've been able to do that since I bought it,

> and I think I'm up to version 1.6.6 or something. Unless they made a new

> version and broke something in the last month or so, you should be able

> to change settings without opening Eloquence. I only open mine if I need

> to deactivate before a major Windows update, and reactivate afterwards.

> On 1/10/2020 0:16, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

> >

> > What I am noticing is that with the Sappi voice you lose the ability

> > to change speed, volume, pitch and rate. You have to open Eloquence to

> > make those  changes.

> >

> > ******

> >

> > character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for

> > you!

> >

> > *From: *coccinelle@... <mailto:coccinelle@...>

> > *Sent: *Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:27 PM

> > *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> > *Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> >

> > Is there a difference between the NVDA and the SAPI voices?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > Pascal

> >

> > *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Shaun

> > Everiss

> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 4:56 PM

> > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> >

> > atguys.com has both the nvda and sapi versions.

> >

> > Their support is good.

> >

> > On 10/01/2020 10:51 am, Dan Kerstetter wrote:

> >

> >     Hello all.

> >

> >     Where is the best place from which to purchase the Eloquence

> >     speech synthesizer?  I’ve been to the code factory site;

> >     downloaded eloquence from their app store, but don’t know how to

> >     register/purchase it.

> >

> >     Any help, info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

> >

> >     Thanks in advance.

> >

> >     For an hour of good alternative and classic rock tune in to my

> >     show:  A Little Bit of This and a Little Bit of That  Monday at

> >     5:00 eastern and Tuesday and Friday 8:00 eastern on out of sight

> >     radio.

> >

> >     http://www.out-of-sight.net/radio

> >

> >

>

 

 

 


Re: OCR

 

While in university, I tried the demo and liked it.

I couldn't afford the software so just cracked it with some serials some guy gave me from somewhere.

I used it for the next 5 years.

My eventual plan then was to buy the software but when I upgraded to the next windows version, that was one of the things I had to give up.

If I ever get a actual well paying contract or something or win loto or something which gets me a load of cash though I'm going to buy it.

I found the program a seemless experience using both abbyy and omnipage engines with braille translation and pdf viewing second to none and it would always be the prefured scanner of choice.

I use abbyy fine reader and while that and knfb does work well enough, I would prefur it as it saved my rear many times.

On 11/01/2020 5:57 pm, Monte Single wrote:
Yes,

It is a great program; toobad the k 1000 costs a thousand dollars, but loaded with bells and whistles.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: January-10-20 7:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

Hmph.
I did not know that.
So I guess we can view the knfb reader is the kurzweil home version with just basic scanning and ocr without the other stuff.
Now eventually I plan to get the regular k1000 as I used it at university for various things, including braille conversion, and its a really good program.

On 11/01/2020, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:
Hi Shaun,



The k in knfb comes from Kurzweil.

The earliest versions of Kurzweil scanning software go back to the
seventies.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss
Sent: January-10-20 4:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR



I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or
was it the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good program but
had no idea it works with a scanner.





On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi



The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very
accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it
seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a
spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.



I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it
has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it
was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how
much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.



Gene nz



On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:

I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for
a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner.



I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write
scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons on the scanner.



What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they
might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:



The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document
before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a
file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form
but is not yet readable by NVDA.



Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one
you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”.



The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using
Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing
Enter to start it.



It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using
last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:

* Load Omnipage.
* Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if any, by
pressing alt plus f then n.
* Press No when asked to save it.
* Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open the workflows
list.
* Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to select it.
* Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s - if you are
scanning, the scan will start.
* N B if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you have saved
earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to
a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set
to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the Downloads folder.
* Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow, click the "stop
loading pages" button.
* NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to start speech and
you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.

If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result.
After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:

* turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t then s.
* press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.
* you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.
* after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock plus S.














Re: Purchasing Eloquence

John Isige
 

It shouldn't. If you tab through when you open the Eloquence program,
there are three checkboxes, "force pitch settings", "force speech rate",
and "force volume". If all of them are unchecked, NVDA should be able to
change all of those settings and the changes should stay in place.

On 1/10/2020 19:55, Gene wrote:
Maybe if you set anything in NVDA, it turns the force settings on.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Robert Doc Wright godfearer <mailto:godfearer@...>
*Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2020 7:21 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

I figured it out. If I set anything in eloquence it over rides the
NVDA settings.

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
you!

*From: *Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent: *Friday, January 10, 2020 10:34 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

Check the settings in the actual Eloquence program itself.  I've used
the demo but I didn't work with the settings enough to remember how
you get to this one.  But in the settings for the voices themselves,
there is a force setting.  Make sure it is off.  Force causes the
voices to disregard screen-reader settings and use settings for the
voices themselves.  It is off by default but yours may be on for some
reason.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Robert Doc Wright godfearer <mailto:godfearer@...>

*Sent:*Friday, January 10, 2020 8:14 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

I just purchased mine and no matter what I do if I press NVDA+ctrl+the
arrow keys the changes do not take affect. If I press NVDA+ctrl+v and
make changes they are not taking affect. Only when I open Sappi5
eloquence. On Code factory’s page I don’t recall seeing a choice
between Sappi5 and NVDA. Only   eloquence for windows.

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
you!

*From: *John Isige <mailto:gwynn@...>
*Sent: *Friday, January 10, 2020 1:12 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

Uh, no you don't. I can make those changes from the synth settings ring

or the menus just fine. You've been able to do that since I bought it,

and I think I'm up to version 1.6.6 or something. Unless they made a new

version and broke something in the last month or so, you should be able

to change settings without opening Eloquence. I only open mine if I need

to deactivate before a major Windows update, and reactivate afterwards.

On 1/10/2020 0:16, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

What I am noticing is that with the Sappi voice you lose the ability
to change speed, volume, pitch and rate. You have to open Eloquence to
make those  changes.
******
character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
you!
*From: *coccinelle@... <mailto:coccinelle@...>
*Sent: *Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:27 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
Is there a difference between the NVDA and the SAPI voices?
Thanks
Blessings
Pascal
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Shaun
Everiss
*Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 4:56 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
atguys.com has both the nvda and sapi versions.
Their support is good.
On 10/01/2020 10:51 am, Dan Kerstetter wrote:
     Hello all.
     Where is the best place from which to purchase the Eloquence
     speech synthesizer?  I’ve been to the code factory site;
     downloaded eloquence from their app store, but don’t know how to
     register/purchase it.
     Any help, info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
     Thanks in advance.
     For an hour of good alternative and classic rock tune in to my
     show:  A Little Bit of This and a Little Bit of That  Monday at
     5:00 eastern and Tuesday and Friday 8:00 eastern on out of sight
     radio.
     http://www.out-of-sight.net/radio


Re: OCR

Monte Single
 

Yes,

It is a great program; toobad the k 1000 costs a thousand dollars, but loaded with bells and whistles.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: January-10-20 7:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

Hmph.
I did not know that.
So I guess we can view the knfb reader is the kurzweil home version with just basic scanning and ocr without the other stuff.
Now eventually I plan to get the regular k1000 as I used it at university for various things, including braille conversion, and its a really good program.

On 11/01/2020, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:
Hi Shaun,



The k in knfb comes from Kurzweil.

The earliest versions of Kurzweil scanning software go back to the
seventies.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss
Sent: January-10-20 4:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR



I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or
was it the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good program but
had no idea it works with a scanner.





On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi



The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very
accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it
seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a
spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.



I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it
has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it
was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how
much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.



Gene nz



On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:

I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for
a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner.



I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write
scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons on the scanner.



What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they
might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:



The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document
before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a
file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form
but is not yet readable by NVDA.



Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one
you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”.



The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using
Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing
Enter to start it.



It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using
last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:

* Load Omnipage.
* Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if any, by
pressing alt plus f then n.
* Press No when asked to save it.
* Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open the workflows
list.
* Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to select it.
* Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s - if you are
scanning, the scan will start.
* N B if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you have saved
earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to
a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set
to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the Downloads folder.
* Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow, click the "stop
loading pages" button.
* NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to start speech and
you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.

If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result.
After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:

* turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t then s.
* press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.
* you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.
* after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock plus S.











Re: Purchasing Eloquence

Gene
 

Maybe if you set anything in NVDA, it turns the force settings on.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

I figured it out. If I set anything in eloquence it over rides the NVDA settings.

 

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!                                                                       

 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

 

Check the settings in the actual Eloquence program itself.  I've used the demo but I didn't work with the settings enough to remember how you get to this one.  But in the settings for the voices themselves, there is a force setting.  Make sure it is off.  Force causes the voices to disregard screen-reader settings and use settings for the voices themselves.  It is off by default but yours may be on for some reason.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 8:14 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

 

I just purchased mine and no matter what I do if I press NVDA+ctrl+the arrow keys the changes do not take affect. If I press NVDA+ctrl+v and make changes they are not taking affect. Only when I open Sappi5 eloquence. On Code factory’s page I don’t recall seeing a choice between Sappi5 and NVDA. Only   eloquence for windows.

 

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!                                                                       

 

From: John Isige
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 1:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

 

Uh, no you don't. I can make those changes from the synth settings ring

or the menus just fine. You've been able to do that since I bought it,

and I think I'm up to version 1.6.6 or something. Unless they made a new

version and broke something in the last month or so, you should be able

to change settings without opening Eloquence. I only open mine if I need

to deactivate before a major Windows update, and reactivate afterwards.

 

 

On 1/10/2020 0:16, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

> What I am noticing is that with the Sappi voice you lose the ability

> to change speed, volume, pitch and rate. You have to open Eloquence to

> make those  changes.

> ******

> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for

> you!

> *From: *coccinelle@... <mailto:coccinelle@...>

> *Sent: *Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:27 PM

> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> Is there a difference between the NVDA and the SAPI voices?

> Thanks

> Blessings

> Pascal

> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Shaun

> Everiss

> *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 4:56 PM

> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> atguys.com has both the nvda and sapi versions.

> Their support is good.

> On 10/01/2020 10:51 am, Dan Kerstetter wrote:

>     Hello all.

>     Where is the best place from which to purchase the Eloquence

>     speech synthesizer?  I’ve been to the code factory site;

>     downloaded eloquence from their app store, but don’t know how to

>     register/purchase it.

>     Any help, info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>     Thanks in advance.

>     For an hour of good alternative and classic rock tune in to my

>     show:  A Little Bit of This and a Little Bit of That  Monday at

>     5:00 eastern and Tuesday and Friday 8:00 eastern on out of sight

>     radio.

>     http://www.out-of-sight.net/radio

>

 

 

 

 


Re: Purchasing Eloquence

Gene
 

I never had to do any such things unless the force settings were on.  I would suggest looking for those settings.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

Yeah you need to change all the eloquence stuff from its control panel.
This interestingly does not apply to vocaliser, but yeah you need to
change voices to.

On 11/01/2020, Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:
> With the Sappi5 version I purchased  from Code Factory, “eloquence for
> Windows”, When I do the standard ways of changing rate or volume nothing
> happens. I wind up having to open eloquence to make the changes.
>
> ******
> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
> you!
>
>
> From: Gene
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 9:08 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
>
> Do you mean you have to open NVDA settings or Eloquence settings?  There are
> both options.  I don't set such settings using the NVDA settings ring but I
> never had problems doing so opening NVDA settings and changing them there.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 12:16 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
>
> What I am noticing is that with the Sappi voice you lose the ability to
> change speed, volume, pitch and rate. You have to open Eloquence to make
> those  changes.
>
> ******
> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
> you!
>
>
> From: coccinelle@...
> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:27 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
>
> Is there a difference between the NVDA and the SAPI voices?
> Thanks
> Blessings
> Pascal
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 4:56 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
>
> atguys.com has both the nvda and sapi versions.
> Their support is good.
>
>
> On 10/01/2020 10:51 am, Dan Kerstetter wrote:
> Hello all.
>
> Where is the best place from which to purchase the Eloquence speech
> synthesizer?  I’ve been to the code factory site; downloaded eloquence from
> their app store, but don’t know how to register/purchase it.
>
> Any help, info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> For an hour of good alternative and classic rock tune in to my show:  A
> Little Bit of This and a Little Bit of That  Monday at 5:00 eastern and
> Tuesday and Friday 8:00 eastern on out of sight radio.
>
> http://www.out-of-sight.net/radio
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Re: OCR

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


If you have a 8mp camera recommended like in a web cam I can take a picture of the document and have it read out. It also if holding or off a clip will tell you if all 4 corners are showing then you take the picture and have it read out. You can also customize it as in voices etc.


At present the knfb reader for windows 10 works with my old scanner nicely and will also on my new one. I will just need to download the knfb reader for that pc in my account.



Gene nz


On 11/01/2020 11:40 am, Shaun Everiss wrote:

I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or was it the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good program but had no idea it works with a scanner.



On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.


I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.


Gene nz


On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:
I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner. 

I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons on the scanner. 

What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:

The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form but is not yet readable by NVDA.

Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”. 

The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing Enter to start it.

It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:
  • Load Omnipage.
  • Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if any, by pressing alt plus f then n.
  • Press No when asked to save it.
  • Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open the workflows list.
  • Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to select it.
  • Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s - if you are scanning, the scan will start.
  • N B  if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you have saved earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the Downloads folder.
  • Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow, click the "stop loading pages" button.
  • NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to start speech and you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.
If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result. After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:
  • turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t then s.
  • press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.
  • you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.
  • after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock plus S.



Re: Purchasing Eloquence

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

I just posted moments ago that I just learned that the eloquence settings override the NVDA settings.

 

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!                                                                       

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 6:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

 

Yeah you need to change all the eloquence stuff from its control panel.

This interestingly does not apply to vocaliser, but yeah you need to

change voices to.

 

On 11/01/2020, Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:

> With the Sappi5 version I purchased  from Code Factory, “eloquence for

> Windows”, When I do the standard ways of changing rate or volume nothing

> happens. I wind up having to open eloquence to make the changes.

> ******

> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for

> you!

> From: Gene

> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 9:08 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> Do you mean you have to open NVDA settings or Eloquence settings?  There are

> both options.  I don't set such settings using the NVDA settings ring but I

> never had problems doing so opening NVDA settings and changing them there.

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer

> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 12:16 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> What I am noticing is that with the Sappi voice you lose the ability to

> change speed, volume, pitch and rate. You have to open Eloquence to make

> those  changes.

> ******

> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for

> you!

> From: coccinelle@...

> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:27 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> Is there a difference between the NVDA and the SAPI voices?

> Thanks

> Blessings

> Pascal

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss

> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 4:56 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> atguys.com has both the nvda and sapi versions.

> Their support is good.

> On 10/01/2020 10:51 am, Dan Kerstetter wrote:

> Hello all.

> Where is the best place from which to purchase the Eloquence speech

> synthesizer?  I’ve been to the code factory site; downloaded eloquence from

> their app store, but don’t know how to register/purchase it.

> Any help, info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

> Thanks in advance.

> For an hour of good alternative and classic rock tune in to my show:  A

> Little Bit of This and a Little Bit of That  Monday at 5:00 eastern and

> Tuesday and Friday 8:00 eastern on out of sight radio.

> http://www.out-of-sight.net/radio

>

 

 

 


Re: OCR

 

Hmph.
I did not know that.
So I guess we can view the knfb reader is the kurzweil home version
with just basic scanning and ocr without the other stuff.
Now eventually I plan to get the regular k1000 as I used it at
university for various things, including braille conversion, and its a
really good program.

On 11/01/2020, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:
Hi Shaun,



The k in knfb comes from Kurzweil.

The earliest versions of Kurzweil scanning software go back to the
seventies.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: January-10-20 4:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR



I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or was it
the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good program but had no idea
it works with a scanner.





On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi



The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very accessible
with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it seems if you
have a couple of computers with the same account and a spare scanner it can
be installed on the other computer as well.



I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it has to
be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it was that bad
may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how much in your
language dollars but only works on windows 10.



Gene nz



On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:

I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for a
friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner.



I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write scripts)
and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons on the scanner.



What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they might
help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:



The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document before
doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a file that was
attached to an email, so is already in electronic form but is not yet
readable by NVDA.



Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one you will
normally want I have called "Scan to Word”.



The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using Windows
key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing Enter to start
it.



It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using last,
so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:

* Load Omnipage.
* Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if any, by
pressing alt plus f then n.
* Press No when asked to save it.
* Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open the workflows
list.
* Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to select it.
* Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s - if you are
scanning, the scan will start.
* N B if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you have saved
earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to a
File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set to
Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the Downloads folder.
* Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow, click the "stop
loading pages" button.
* NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to start speech and
you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.

If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result. After
pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:

* turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t then s.
* press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.
* you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.
* after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock plus S.











Re: Purchasing Eloquence

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

I figured it out. If I set anything in eloquence it over rides the NVDA settings.

 

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!                                                                       

 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

 

Check the settings in the actual Eloquence program itself.  I've used the demo but I didn't work with the settings enough to remember how you get to this one.  But in the settings for the voices themselves, there is a force setting.  Make sure it is off.  Force causes the voices to disregard screen-reader settings and use settings for the voices themselves.  It is off by default but yours may be on for some reason.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 8:14 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

 

I just purchased mine and no matter what I do if I press NVDA+ctrl+the arrow keys the changes do not take affect. If I press NVDA+ctrl+v and make changes they are not taking affect. Only when I open Sappi5 eloquence. On Code factory’s page I don’t recall seeing a choice between Sappi5 and NVDA. Only   eloquence for windows.

 

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!                                                                       

 

From: John Isige
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 1:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

 

Uh, no you don't. I can make those changes from the synth settings ring

or the menus just fine. You've been able to do that since I bought it,

and I think I'm up to version 1.6.6 or something. Unless they made a new

version and broke something in the last month or so, you should be able

to change settings without opening Eloquence. I only open mine if I need

to deactivate before a major Windows update, and reactivate afterwards.

 

 

On 1/10/2020 0:16, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

> What I am noticing is that with the Sappi voice you lose the ability

> to change speed, volume, pitch and rate. You have to open Eloquence to

> make those  changes.

> ******

> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for

> you!

> *From: *coccinelle@... <mailto:coccinelle@...>

> *Sent: *Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:27 PM

> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> Is there a difference between the NVDA and the SAPI voices?

> Thanks

> Blessings

> Pascal

> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Shaun

> Everiss

> *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 4:56 PM

> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> atguys.com has both the nvda and sapi versions.

> Their support is good.

> On 10/01/2020 10:51 am, Dan Kerstetter wrote:

>     Hello all.

>     Where is the best place from which to purchase the Eloquence

>     speech synthesizer?  I’ve been to the code factory site;

>     downloaded eloquence from their app store, but don’t know how to

>     register/purchase it.

>     Any help, info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>     Thanks in advance.

>     For an hour of good alternative and classic rock tune in to my

>     show:  A Little Bit of This and a Little Bit of That  Monday at

>     5:00 eastern and Tuesday and Friday 8:00 eastern on out of sight

>     radio.

>     http://www.out-of-sight.net/radio

>

 

 

 

 


Re: Purchasing Eloquence

 

Yeah you need to change all the eloquence stuff from its control panel.
This interestingly does not apply to vocaliser, but yeah you need to
change voices to.

On 11/01/2020, Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:
With the Sappi5 version I purchased from Code Factory, “eloquence for
Windows”, When I do the standard ways of changing rate or volume nothing
happens. I wind up having to open eloquence to make the changes.

******
character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
you!


From: Gene
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 9:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

Do you mean you have to open NVDA settings or Eloquence settings?  There are
both options.  I don't set such settings using the NVDA settings ring but I
never had problems doing so opening NVDA settings and changing them there.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 12:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

What I am noticing is that with the Sappi voice you lose the ability to
change speed, volume, pitch and rate. You have to open Eloquence to make
those  changes.

******
character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
you!


From: coccinelle@...
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

Is there a difference between the NVDA and the SAPI voices?
Thanks
Blessings
Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 4:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

atguys.com has both the nvda and sapi versions.
Their support is good.


On 10/01/2020 10:51 am, Dan Kerstetter wrote:
Hello all.

Where is the best place from which to purchase the Eloquence speech
synthesizer?  I’ve been to the code factory site; downloaded eloquence from
their app store, but don’t know how to register/purchase it.

Any help, info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

For an hour of good alternative and classic rock tune in to my show:  A
Little Bit of This and a Little Bit of That  Monday at 5:00 eastern and
Tuesday and Friday 8:00 eastern on out of sight radio.

http://www.out-of-sight.net/radio








Re: Purchasing Eloquence

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

With the Sappi5 version I purchased  from Code Factory, “eloquence for Windows”, When I do the standard ways of changing rate or volume nothing happens. I wind up having to open eloquence to make the changes.

 

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!                                                                       

 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 9:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

 

Do you mean you have to open NVDA settings or Eloquence settings?  There are both options.  I don't set such settings using the NVDA settings ring but I never had problems doing so opening NVDA settings and changing them there.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 12:16 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

 

What I am noticing is that with the Sappi voice you lose the ability to change speed, volume, pitch and rate. You have to open Eloquence to make those  changes.

 

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!                                                                       

 

From: coccinelle@...
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

 

Is there a difference between the NVDA and the SAPI voices?

Thanks

Blessings

Pascal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 4:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

 

atguys.com has both the nvda and sapi versions.

Their support is good.

 

 

On 10/01/2020 10:51 am, Dan Kerstetter wrote:

Hello all.

 

Where is the best place from which to purchase the Eloquence speech synthesizer?  I’ve been to the code factory site; downloaded eloquence from their app store, but don’t know how to register/purchase it.

 

Any help, info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

For an hour of good alternative and classic rock tune in to my show:  A Little Bit of This and a Little Bit of That  Monday at 5:00 eastern and Tuesday and Friday 8:00 eastern on out of sight radio.

 

http://www.out-of-sight.net/radio

 

 

 


Re: OCR

Monte Single
 

Hi Shaun,

 

The k in knfb  comes from Kurzweil.

The earliest versions of Kurzweil scanning software go back to the seventies.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: January-10-20 4:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or was it the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good program but had no idea it works with a scanner.

 

 

On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi

 

The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.

 

I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.

 

Gene nz

 

On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:

I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner. 

 

I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons on the scanner. 

 

What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:

 

The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form but is not yet readable by NVDA.

 

Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”. 

 

The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing Enter to start it.

 

It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:

  • Load Omnipage.
  • Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if any, by pressing alt plus f then n.
  • Press No when asked to save it.
  • Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open the workflows list.
  • Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to select it.
  • Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s - if you are scanning, the scan will start.
  • N B  if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you have saved earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the Downloads folder.
  • Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow, click the "stop loading pages" button.
  • NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to start speech and you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.

If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result. After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:

  • turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t then s.
  • press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.
  • you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.
  • after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock plus S.

 

 


Re: OCR

 

I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or was it the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good program but had no idea it works with a scanner.



On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.


I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.


Gene nz


On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:
I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner. 

I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons on the scanner. 

What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:

The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form but is not yet readable by NVDA.

Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”. 

The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing Enter to start it.

It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:
  • Load Omnipage.
  • Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if any, by pressing alt plus f then n.
  • Press No when asked to save it.
  • Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open the workflows list.
  • Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to select it.
  • Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s - if you are scanning, the scan will start.
  • N B  if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you have saved earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the Downloads folder.
  • Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow, click the "stop loading pages" button.
  • NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to start speech and you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.
If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result. After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:
  • turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t then s.
  • press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.
  • you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.
  • after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock plus S.



Re: OCR

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.


I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.


Gene nz


On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:
I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner. 

I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons on the scanner. 

What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:

The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form but is not yet readable by NVDA.

Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”. 

The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing Enter to start it.

It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:
  • Load Omnipage.
  • Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if any, by pressing alt plus f then n.
  • Press No when asked to save it.
  • Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open the workflows list.
  • Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to select it.
  • Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s - if you are scanning, the scan will start.
  • N B  if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you have saved earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the Downloads folder.
  • Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow, click the "stop loading pages" button.
  • NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to start speech and you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.
If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result. After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:
  • turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t then s.
  • press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.
  • you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.
  • after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock plus S.



Re: ocr solutions

Richard Kuzma
 

Good afternoon,

I know two blind people that use tect cloner pro and it is about $139.00 I believe.

It is from premier literacy.

It works very well and is completely accessible.

Let me know if you need any more info.

Rich

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 10:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

 

How old is your OCR program and how well does it work currently?  I haven't followed this for many years but for a good while, I found that upgrades may have improved marginal scanning situations but that much of the time, for most scanning under good conditions, the upgrades made little or no difference. 

 

Or are you upgrading because what you were using doesn't run in Windows 10, which is unlikely?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2020 6:06 PM

Subject: [nvda] ocr solutions

 

Hi.

Just wandering what ocr solutions people use.

I use abbyy fine reader and its mostly ok but access wize I have
wandered at it of late.

the latest version will cost me 190 instead of the 300 or so dollars for
a new version and I could easily upgrade it.

Right now omnipage standard costs me 192 nz right now, then again, what
do people use.

I want something that is accessible which will do ocr and scanning,
images, pdfs, paper documents.


Is it worth the upgrade of fine reader or should I switch to omnipage or
what.




Re: Purchasing Eloquence

Gene
 

Check the settings in the actual Eloquence program itself.  I've used the demo but I didn't work with the settings enough to remember how you get to this one.  But in the settings for the voices themselves, there is a force setting.  Make sure it is off.  Force causes the voices to disregard screen-reader settings and use settings for the voices themselves.  It is off by default but yours may be on for some reason.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

I just purchased mine and no matter what I do if I press NVDA+ctrl+the arrow keys the changes do not take affect. If I press NVDA+ctrl+v and make changes they are not taking affect. Only when I open Sappi5 eloquence. On Code factory’s page I don’t recall seeing a choice between Sappi5 and NVDA. Only   eloquence for windows.

 

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!                                                                       

 

From: John Isige
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 1:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

 

Uh, no you don't. I can make those changes from the synth settings ring

or the menus just fine. You've been able to do that since I bought it,

and I think I'm up to version 1.6.6 or something. Unless they made a new

version and broke something in the last month or so, you should be able

to change settings without opening Eloquence. I only open mine if I need

to deactivate before a major Windows update, and reactivate afterwards.

 

 

On 1/10/2020 0:16, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

> What I am noticing is that with the Sappi voice you lose the ability

> to change speed, volume, pitch and rate. You have to open Eloquence to

> make those  changes.

> ******

> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for

> you!

> *From: *coccinelle@... <mailto:coccinelle@...>

> *Sent: *Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:27 PM

> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> Is there a difference between the NVDA and the SAPI voices?

> Thanks

> Blessings

> Pascal

> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Shaun

> Everiss

> *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 4:56 PM

> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> atguys.com has both the nvda and sapi versions.

> Their support is good.

> On 10/01/2020 10:51 am, Dan Kerstetter wrote:

>     Hello all.

>     Where is the best place from which to purchase the Eloquence

>     speech synthesizer?  I’ve been to the code factory site;

>     downloaded eloquence from their app store, but don’t know how to

>     register/purchase it.

>     Any help, info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>     Thanks in advance.

>     For an hour of good alternative and classic rock tune in to my

>     show:  A Little Bit of This and a Little Bit of That  Monday at

>     5:00 eastern and Tuesday and Friday 8:00 eastern on out of sight

>     radio.

>     http://www.out-of-sight.net/radio

>

 

 

 


Re: OCR

 

Well if you have one of those scanners you probably have a stripped down abbyy sprint or omnipage anyway.

In the end I decided to get fine reader 15.

Its extremely accessible, a few buttons and a couple list columns.

My main issues are that combo boxes such as those in options do not read when scroling, and the menus especially the file menu lag quite a load and some items don't read or don't always read though those that do do have shortcut keys.

All dialogs seem to work extremely well and it was worth the upgrade.

Output of the ocr is quite good.

Sadly the ocr editer ariea is not really that accessible but even so its an improvement from v 14 at any rate.

I am also on the offer and marketing list so if there are any promos who knows.

My brother scanner also has paperport which looks to be a full version and may or may not work for me I havn't really tried that though it looks accessible.



On 11/01/2020 1:31 am, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Quentin,

 

I use a Canon Flatbed scanner, Canon CanoScan LiDE 120, and the Canon software itself traps the scanned image as Jason describes here. That image file appears to be perfect, according to those who receive it from me as an image .PDF. On those occasions when I need access to the image file myself, I save it and open it with abbyyy Finereader which then converts it to whatever readable format I need.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 12:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

ABBYY will work with a hardware scanner as well. Alternatively, you could scan the pages to images in a PDF file before running the OCR process. Actually, some scanners generate PDF output directly, saving the file to a USB drive or sending it to you via email. However, so far as I know, none of these devices is likely to be very accessible. In my work environment, they are the modern alternative to photocopiers – someone can just process a series of pages and receive a PDF via email directly from the device.

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 20:40
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

I was more thinking of OCR to use with a hardware scanner.  Sorry, I didn't expand on that thought originally :)

 

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:25 AM Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io> wrote:

ABBYY was updated last year. I haven’t yet purchased the upgrade, so can’t comment on the latest version. It handles document formatting well, including headings and footnotes from scanned images of journal articles.

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 18:48
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

i use abby

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:19 PM

Subject: [nvda] OCR

 

Good morning,

 

Has anyone compared OCR software lately?   I had someone ask about Omnipage 20.  I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I wasn't sure how they compare or what other options are out there currently.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


Re: Purchasing Eloquence

Gene
 

Do you mean you have to open NVDA settings or Eloquence settings?  There are both options.  I don't set such settings using the NVDA settings ring but I never had problems doing so opening NVDA settings and changing them there.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

What I am noticing is that with the Sappi voice you lose the ability to change speed, volume, pitch and rate. You have to open Eloquence to make those  changes.

 

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!                                                                       

 

From: coccinelle@...
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

 

Is there a difference between the NVDA and the SAPI voices?

Thanks

Blessings

Pascal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 4:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

 

atguys.com has both the nvda and sapi versions.

Their support is good.

 

 

On 10/01/2020 10:51 am, Dan Kerstetter wrote:

Hello all.

 

Where is the best place from which to purchase the Eloquence speech synthesizer?  I’ve been to the code factory site; downloaded eloquence from their app store, but don’t know how to register/purchase it.

 

Any help, info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

For an hour of good alternative and classic rock tune in to my show:  A Little Bit of This and a Little Bit of That  Monday at 5:00 eastern and Tuesday and Friday 8:00 eastern on out of sight radio.

 

http://www.out-of-sight.net/radio