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NVDA 2019.2 and the new Chromium Edge?

Lisa P Geibel
 

Hi,

Did anyone else get this today yet and if so, are you having any issues with reading anything on it? Tab seems to work, but no go with the arrow keys for us and we're also using Windows 10 version 1909. I didn't change anything in settings, but maybe I need to?


Re: State of the NvDA Remote add-on: NV Access sent patches to add-on authors

molly the blind tech lover
 

This is great news 😀

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] State of the NvDA Remote add-on: NV Access sent patches to add-on authors

 

Hello NVDA users, especially NVDA Remote add-on fans:

 

For the last few months, many of you were wondering about what’s going on with NVDA Remote add-on, which isn’t compatible with upcoming NVDA 2019.3. I’m delighted to announce that something is indeed happening with the add-on. According to Reef Turner, an NV Access staff and NVDA developer, NV Access people just sent a series of patches to Remote add-on developers to make the add-on ready for NVDA 2019.3.

Stay tuned for updates on this front.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Help getting NVDA to read descriptions of elements in SVGs

Paddy Uglow <paddy.uglow@...>
 

Hi Arlene,

I get the impression that Microsoft’s auto updates will update Edge soon.

By using the download link (it downloads an .exe you’ll need to run) you can be sure that you have it now.

Thanks for re-sharing the link, Rosemarie.

  • Paddy

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arlene via Groups.Io
Sent: 15 January 2020 16:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help getting NVDA to read descriptions of elements in SVGs

 

Do I have to go get the windows update that makes Edge better? I never got a notification about it. If I have to go get it I wil.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Paddy Uglow
Sent: January 15, 2020 8:38 AM
To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help getting NVDA to read descriptions of elements in SVGs

 

Well, that’s interesting – I’ve been following the Edge update thread as well (thanks for the upgrade link)

NVDA with Edge Chromium JUST reads the aria-label text on this page and ignores the <foreignobject> content

https://www.creativemedia.org.uk/interactive-trees/filtration-tryout.html

…whereas Chrome JUST reads the contents of the <foreignobject> tag and ignores the aria-label.

 

It’s starting to feel like 2003 again, trying to keep all the different browsers happy….

  • Paddy

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paddy Uglow via Groups.Io
Sent: 15 January 2020 11:26
To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Help getting NVDA to read descriptions of elements in SVGs

 

Hi,

This is my first post here – I develop learning resources for a university and we want to make them NVDA-friendly.

 

I’m  currently working on a decision tree, which can be seen here:

https://www.creativemedia.org.uk/interactive-trees/filtration-tryout.html

 

I want to add an invisible description to each node on the tree to help NVDA users navigate.

Below is part of the SVG (Scalable Vector Graphic) from the page: I’ve used the aria-label tag to explain where the node fits in the tree, but my NVDA doesn’t read it out. I’ve also tried title, alt and label in various places but they don’t get read out either.

Can anyone give me any hints or solutions? All I can think of is to use a hidden <div> which I don’t think is an ideal solution.

Thank you

  • Paddy

 

<svg width="950" height="800">

<g class="node" transform="translate(697.5,95)">

<foreignObject tabindex="0" focusable="true" height="48" aria-label="Option for choice, 'An example of a decision tree.'" width="110" x="-55" class="nodestyle">Keep liquid</foreignObject>

</g>

</svg>

 


Re: Help getting NVDA to read descriptions of elements in SVGs

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help getting NVDA to read descriptions of elements in SVGs

 

Do I have to go get the windows update that makes Edge better? I never got a notification about it. If I have to go get it I wil.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Paddy Uglow
Sent: January 15, 2020 8:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help getting NVDA to read descriptions of elements in SVGs

 

Well, that’s interesting – I’ve been following the Edge update thread as well (thanks for the upgrade link)

NVDA with Edge Chromium JUST reads the aria-label text on this page and ignores the <foreignobject> content

https://www.creativemedia.org.uk/interactive-trees/filtration-tryout.html

…whereas Chrome JUST reads the contents of the <foreignobject> tag and ignores the aria-label.

 

It’s starting to feel like 2003 again, trying to keep all the different browsers happy….

-          Paddy

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paddy Uglow via Groups.Io
Sent: 15 January 2020 11:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Help getting NVDA to read descriptions of elements in SVGs

 

Hi,

This is my first post here – I develop learning resources for a university and we want to make them NVDA-friendly.

 

I’m  currently working on a decision tree, which can be seen here:

https://www.creativemedia.org.uk/interactive-trees/filtration-tryout.html

 

I want to add an invisible description to each node on the tree to help NVDA users navigate.

Below is part of the SVG (Scalable Vector Graphic) from the page: I’ve used the aria-label tag to explain where the node fits in the tree, but my NVDA doesn’t read it out. I’ve also tried title, alt and label in various places but they don’t get read out either.

Can anyone give me any hints or solutions? All I can think of is to use a hidden <div> which I don’t think is an ideal solution.

Thank you

-          Paddy

 

<svg width="950" height="800">

<g class="node" transform="translate(697.5,95)">

<foreignObject tabindex="0" focusable="true" height="48" aria-label="Option for choice, 'An example of a decision tree.'" width="110" x="-55" class="nodestyle">Keep liquid</foreignObject>

</g>

</svg>

 


Re: Help getting NVDA to read descriptions of elements in SVGs

Arlene
 

Do I have to go get the windows update that makes Edge better? I never got a notification about it. If I have to go get it I wil.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Paddy Uglow
Sent: January 15, 2020 8:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help getting NVDA to read descriptions of elements in SVGs

 

Well, that’s interesting – I’ve been following the Edge update thread as well (thanks for the upgrade link)

NVDA with Edge Chromium JUST reads the aria-label text on this page and ignores the <foreignobject> content

https://www.creativemedia.org.uk/interactive-trees/filtration-tryout.html

…whereas Chrome JUST reads the contents of the <foreignobject> tag and ignores the aria-label.

 

It’s starting to feel like 2003 again, trying to keep all the different browsers happy….

  • Paddy

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paddy Uglow via Groups.Io
Sent: 15 January 2020 11:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Help getting NVDA to read descriptions of elements in SVGs

 

Hi,

This is my first post here – I develop learning resources for a university and we want to make them NVDA-friendly.

 

I’m  currently working on a decision tree, which can be seen here:

https://www.creativemedia.org.uk/interactive-trees/filtration-tryout.html

 

I want to add an invisible description to each node on the tree to help NVDA users navigate.

Below is part of the SVG (Scalable Vector Graphic) from the page: I’ve used the aria-label tag to explain where the node fits in the tree, but my NVDA doesn’t read it out. I’ve also tried title, alt and label in various places but they don’t get read out either.

Can anyone give me any hints or solutions? All I can think of is to use a hidden <div> which I don’t think is an ideal solution.

Thank you

  • Paddy

 

<svg width="950" height="800">

<g class="node" transform="translate(697.5,95)">

<foreignObject tabindex="0" focusable="true" height="48" aria-label="Option for choice, 'An example of a decision tree.'" width="110" x="-55" class="nodestyle">Keep liquid</foreignObject>

</g>

</svg>

 


Re: Help getting NVDA to read descriptions of elements in SVGs

Paddy Uglow <paddy.uglow@...>
 

Well, that’s interesting – I’ve been following the Edge update thread as well (thanks for the upgrade link)

NVDA with Edge Chromium JUST reads the aria-label text on this page and ignores the <foreignobject> content

https://www.creativemedia.org.uk/interactive-trees/filtration-tryout.html

…whereas Chrome JUST reads the contents of the <foreignobject> tag and ignores the aria-label.

 

It’s starting to feel like 2003 again, trying to keep all the different browsers happy….

  • Paddy

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paddy Uglow via Groups.Io
Sent: 15 January 2020 11:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Help getting NVDA to read descriptions of elements in SVGs

 

Hi,

This is my first post here – I develop learning resources for a university and we want to make them NVDA-friendly.

 

I’m  currently working on a decision tree, which can be seen here:

https://www.creativemedia.org.uk/interactive-trees/filtration-tryout.html

 

I want to add an invisible description to each node on the tree to help NVDA users navigate.

Below is part of the SVG (Scalable Vector Graphic) from the page: I’ve used the aria-label tag to explain where the node fits in the tree, but my NVDA doesn’t read it out. I’ve also tried title, alt and label in various places but they don’t get read out either.

Can anyone give me any hints or solutions? All I can think of is to use a hidden <div> which I don’t think is an ideal solution.

Thank you

  • Paddy

 

<svg width="950" height="800">

<g class="node" transform="translate(697.5,95)">

<foreignObject tabindex="0" focusable="true" height="48" aria-label="Option for choice, 'An example of a decision tree.'" width="110" x="-55" class="nodestyle">Keep liquid</foreignObject>

</g>

</svg>


Re: a question about the new edge browser

 

When it comes to any update of any sort from Microsoft, there's nothing more definitive than the source material from them.  There is an official support document entitled, Blocker Toolkit to disable automatic delivery of Microsoft Edge (Chromium-based), that states:  "To help our customers become more secure and up-to-date, Microsoft will distribute Microsoft Edge (Chromium-based) to Home and Pro Edition devices running Windows 10 version 1803 and newer via Windows Update. This process will start after January 15th, 2020 and more information will be available on that date."   I have not actually been able to find that "more information" today.

The blocker is not intended for home use, but by organizations that need to defer the installation of "New Edge."  "Old Edge" is on its way out, and if you're offered the update definitely take it.  The Chromium-based version of Edge is far more accessible than the original Edge ever was.

Loy is correct that like anything delivered via Windows Update it will not be a "flash cut" to every Windows 10 user in a very short period of time.  The New Edge will be rolled out like other updates that aren't security patches so that Microsoft can monitor system health telemetry to determine if issues arise.  If my experience with Edge Dev is any indicator, there won't be any for the vast majority of Windows 10 users.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 


Re: a question about the new edge browser

Hareth
 

Got the regular windows update installed, no new edge.
I did some lookup and found the online installer for it:
https://c2rsetup.officeapps.live.com/c2r/downloadEdge.aspx?ProductreleaseID=Edge&platform=Default&version=Edge&source=EdgeInsiderPage&Channel=Stable&language=en

For sure, it did install the stable new edge and replaces the old one.
Enjoy.

On 1/15/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Hi all.

On the subject of edge, it may come past in the next update pass.

It is supposed to be out today.

Usually updates come out between 5 am and 8 am new zealand time, equate
that to your timezone.

There is a windowsupdate twitter and blog which will tell you to.

Currently if I search for edge I get a page which states thats its
almost there.

I'm not going to push it if it doesn't.

Yes you can install edge stable yourself, and you can also just as
quickly remove it.

I'd wait for the full system integrated  version myself.

There are a few pinned icons and links to word and other microsoft
online things to manage when you do at least with the stable version.

Some of these I do not personally like.

It does seam that you will have to make sure you reset your internet
brouser though after install as things became a little messed up after
install when I did it.

It will be interesting what this eventually does.

For myself I do wander things like what chrome will do and the
differences between it and chrome will truely be.

Most people in the house are chrome users and I am a waterfox user and
this will not change that much as everything we have is up there.

I fully presume microsoft edge will only allow native connection to
microsoft services but who knows.






Re: a question about the new edge browser

Hareth
 

Loy,
I got the monthly update the list doesn't contain the new edge.
Installed all of them, restarted PC, still no new edge.
The new online installer did it, Its definitely a big plus over the
old edge browser.
BTW, the last beta build number, is the same as it is with the stable one.

The difference is, the stable build replace the old system edge.

On 1/15/20, Loy <loyrg2845@...> wrote:
Updates usually are not posted until after 9 AM and the Edge update will not

happen for everyone at the same time.





Re: a question about the new edge browser

Loy <loyrg2845@...>
 

Updates usually are not posted until after 9 AM and the Edge update will not happen for everyone at the same time.


a question about the new edge browser

 

Hi all.

On the subject of edge, it may come past in the next update pass.

It is supposed to be out today.

Usually updates come out between 5 am and 8 am new zealand time, equate that to your timezone.

There is a windowsupdate twitter and blog which will tell you to.

Currently if I search for edge I get a page which states thats its almost there.

I'm not going to push it if it doesn't.

Yes you can install edge stable yourself, and you can also just as quickly remove it.

I'd wait for the full system integrated  version myself.

There are a few pinned icons and links to word and other microsoft online things to manage when you do at least with the stable version.

Some of these I do not personally like.

It does seam that you will have to make sure you reset your internet brouser though after install as things became a little messed up after install when I did it.

It will be interesting what this eventually does.

For myself I do wander things like what chrome will do and the differences between it and chrome will truely be.

Most people in the house are chrome users and I am a waterfox user and this will not change that much as everything we have is up there.

I fully presume microsoft edge will only allow native connection to microsoft services but who knows.


Unread/Read Status of Messages Broken In Thunderbird With 2019.3 Beta 2

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

For some reason, when I installed 2019.3 beta 2, when I read the status line and/or navigate with up/down arrow keys, the read/unread status of message is inconsistent or incorrect.

I wonder if anyone else is experiencing this issue.  I am using Thunderbird 60.4--the last fully compatible version of Thunderbird.

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Elementary Question I'm afraid: How do I access the toolbars on screen with NVDA?

Jonathan COHN
 

I usually avoid tool bars and go directly to menus, that being said, I don’t think that either JAWS or NVDA does any special functioning to access them. So, did you try the keystroke you were using in JAWS? Also, might help if you indicate the program you are having issues with.

Jonathan

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 at 7:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Elementary Question I'm afraid: How do I access the toolbars on screen with NVDA?

External email alert: Be wary of links & attachments.

Hi all,

 

The subject line says it all. I apologise that this is probably an elementary question. I’m asking because I’ve only recently started using NVDA as my main Screenreader, and Jaws as secondary (only when I have to). Until recently I prioritised them the other way round.

 

Thanks,

Clive

 

 


Re: Dropbox interfering with NVDA when reading Word files

Giles Turnbull
 

Thanks for posting this on here, Clive. I was the person who posted it on the BCAB group becuase I was pretty sure it was a DropBox issue and not an NVDA one.

David, thank you so much for your info about turning the badges notification off ... that has worked a treat :)

Giles


Re: NVDA and express vpn

Mobeen Iqbal
 

I never use the bundled VPN apps as they can be rendered inaccessible with software updates. If you use windows built in VPN client or open VPN which most if not all VPN's support these days, you will be fine as both approaches are accessible.

Cheers,

Mo.


On 15/01/2020 15:25, Giles Turnbull wrote:
I used Express VPN for the year between September 2018 and 2019 while I was living in a uni hall of residence so wanted to minimise any potential wifi snooping.

I found Express VPN very hard to use with NVDA. I figured out which button to press to turn the VPN on (none of the buttons are spoken as anything other than "button") and I could hear the label next to the switch network .... but it never gave me any alternative VPN networks other than the one it was connected to ... maybe it did list other networks but didn't speak them ... whatever the reason Express VPN worked as far as connecting to one single VPN network, but nothing at all more than that.

I haven't tried using a VPN since the Express VPN experience, but do read any posts about them on here in case something easy to use does get suggested :)

Giles


Re: NVDA and express vpn

Giles Turnbull
 

I used Express VPN for the year between September 2018 and 2019 while I was living in a uni hall of residence so wanted to minimise any potential wifi snooping.

I found Express VPN very hard to use with NVDA. I figured out which button to press to turn the VPN on (none of the buttons are spoken as anything other than "button") and I could hear the label next to the switch network .... but it never gave me any alternative VPN networks other than the one it was connected to ... maybe it did list other networks but didn't speak them ... whatever the reason Express VPN worked as far as connecting to one single VPN network, but nothing at all more than that.

I haven't tried using a VPN since the Express VPN experience, but do read any posts about them on here in case something easy to use does get suggested :)

Giles


Re: Alternatives to Excel

 

Hmmm firstly do you still have your old excell licence key or office licence key at all?

Do you have your office cd at all?

You probably can get that back, however be aware that office 2007 I think is about to be out of support.

I have used libre office on a cloud system and its worked well enough.

You can always buy another office, either a so called recycled key from ebay and take the risk that its fake, get into the office home program if working in a company I think its called home use, or simply buy office.

Right now, I  think you still can buy office versions 2013 and up and while 2019 the latest is best they still update 2016 regularly.

The support and updates on 2013 that I have on another system are getting less but still it can be done.

There is office 365 to subscribe to if you are looking to that point and if you  run the office program in windows you can get it.

I havn't used openoffice extensively enough to know if it or libre will work for your needs or not.

I have used libre as part of a home solution and it does for the most part seem to work well.

Office online may be another option for you, I am not sure how well that works.

On 16/01/2020 12:43 am, Chris Mullins wrote:
Hi
A hard disk crash has seen off my copy of Excel 2007 so I'm looking
for an alternative amongst Open Office, Libra Office and Google. Are
there any NVDA users out there that could give me feedback regarding
the accessibility of these products and whether I could still access
my existing Excel format spreadsheets with any or all of them? Your
advice would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers
Chris


.


Re: a question about the new edge browser

Hareth
 

It hasn't been bundled with windows update as expected here.
had to look for it and found the online installer from the stable
channel link, It did replace the old ugly edge.
Here is the URL:
https://c2rsetup.officeapps.live.com/c2r/downloadEdge.aspx?ProductreleaseID=Edge&platform=Default&version=Edge&source=EdgeInsiderPage&Channel=Stable&language=en

On 1/15/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
To be honest I am happy they didn't role all of it out today.

I have been spending most of the morning updating 2 laptops and 2
desktop units.

In these I had codecs, java, flash, windows update and store updates as
well as office and some gps updates.

In addition some of these units like my laptop and one of the desktops
had spaciffic driver updates and its taken me 4 hours so its good its
tomorrow.



On 15/01/2020 3:03 pm, Governor staten wrote:

Starting tomorrow, they will roll out the update for the Edge browser.
It will come through Windows Update.



------------------------------------------------------------------------


On 1/14/2020 8:20 PM, Bobby Vinton wrote:
Hay I was wondering if the new edge will just come to my computer or
will I have to down load the browser.  Edge comes out this Wednesday.
that's why I am asking.  Just let me know.






Re: Dropbox interfering with NVDA when reading Word files

Clive Lever
 

Thanks,

 

I’ll give that a go and report back.

 

Best,

Clive

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 10:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox interfering with NVDA when reading Word files

 

Not at all stupid Clive.

 

First of all

Windows plus B to get to the notification area / system tray.

If you hear notification chevron you should press space on that to open up all your system tray icons to view. You can change settings so that your icons all show all the time but I will give instructions for that in another email if needed.

Now cursor left or right until you hear DropBox. If for whatever reason you miss this and hear notification chevron again then press space on this to make sure all your icons are showing.

As soon as you hear DropBox press the space bar.

This should open up the context menu in DropBox’s case – it does on my system.

From this menu select preferences.

Tab down to the section where it talks about badges and set this to never show and your problems with opening Office documents should disappear.

 

N>B  A regrettable feature of the system tray in Windows is that the key to open up the context menu varies. Sometimes it is enter, sometimes it is space as in this case and sometimes it is the application key. You need to experiment with each icon to see what works.

David Griffith

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clive Lever
Sent: 15 January 2020 00:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox interfering with NVDA when reading Word files

 

Thanks David,

 

It always sounds stupid, but how do I get to Dropbox in the system tray?

 

Thanks,

Clive

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox interfering with NVDA when reading Word files

 

 

I don’t know if my original suggestion  ever got posted but this  problem disappeared for  me when I went to DropBox preferences in the system tray and turned badges notifications to never show in the General tab.

 

I have never, since  doing this, had had any issue opening Office Files of any kind in my DropBox under Windows.

 

I mention this again as it seems not to have been discussed as an obvious solution despite my trying to post it yesterday.

David Griffith

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abbie Taylor
Sent: 14 January 2020 23:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox interfering with NVDA when reading Word files

 

Shaun, I'm having the same issue as Clive. I usually open files directly in Word, no matter where they are. I still have this issue with files in Dropbox whether I'm opening them  there or in Word. Fortunately, I don't need those files in Dropbox, so I've moved them to a different location.
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http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
abbietaylor945@...


Help getting NVDA to read descriptions of elements in SVGs

Paddy Uglow <paddy.uglow@...>
 

Hi,

This is my first post here – I develop learning resources for a university and we want to make them NVDA-friendly.

 

I’m  currently working on a decision tree, which can be seen here:

https://www.creativemedia.org.uk/interactive-trees/filtration-tryout.html

 

I want to add an invisible description to each node on the tree to help NVDA users navigate.

Below is part of the SVG (Scalable Vector Graphic) from the page: I’ve used the aria-label tag to explain where the node fits in the tree, but my NVDA doesn’t read it out. I’ve also tried title, alt and label in various places but they don’t get read out either.

Can anyone give me any hints or solutions? All I can think of is to use a hidden <div> which I don’t think is an ideal solution.

Thank you

  • Paddy

 

<svg width="950" height="800">

<g class="node" transform="translate(697.5,95)">

<foreignObject tabindex="0" focusable="true" height="48" aria-label="Option for choice, 'An example of a decision tree.'" width="110" x="-55" class="nodestyle">Keep liquid</foreignObject>

</g>

</svg>