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Re: nvda doesn't speak first few characters of information

Sean
 

In which branch?

On 05/09/2020 19:28, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Specifically, this and some related fixes are going through testing phase at the moment.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 9:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda doesn't speak first few characters of information

 

This is due to enhancements, and computer putting audio card to sleep. Stable NVDA will enclude a fix for this, but until then there are programs etc to download to stop this behavior.

On 8/30/2020 2:26 PM, UMIT ERDEM Yigitoglu wrote:

I use usbheadphone  not bluethoot but When you mentioned it, I relized that the problem disappears when I disconnect my headphone. I donwloaded the addon and it seems to work. 
thank you very much.  

--
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👨‍🦯 I’m programmer. I coding often Python, sometimes Go and rarely C++.


Re: nvda doesn't speak first few characters of information

 

Hi,

Specifically, this and some related fixes are going through testing phase at the moment.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 9:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda doesn't speak first few characters of information

 

This is due to enhancements, and computer putting audio card to sleep. Stable NVDA will enclude a fix for this, but until then there are programs etc to download to stop this behavior.

On 8/30/2020 2:26 PM, UMIT ERDEM Yigitoglu wrote:

I use usbheadphone  not bluethoot but When you mentioned it, I relized that the problem disappears when I disconnect my headphone. I donwloaded the addon and it seems to work. 
thank you very much.  


Re: nvda doesn't speak first few characters of information

enes sarıbaş
 

This is due to enhancements, and computer putting audio card to sleep. Stable NVDA will enclude a fix for this, but until then there are programs etc to download to stop this behavior.

On 8/30/2020 2:26 PM, UMIT ERDEM Yigitoglu wrote:
I use usbheadphone  not bluethoot but When you mentioned it, I relized that the problem disappears when I disconnect my headphone. I donwloaded the addon and it seems to work. 
thank you very much.  


Re: OCR

Robert Logue
 

I was going to try Text Cloner Pro but the company seems to be closed. 

Text Cloner Pro - Premier AT Home


Start downloading link takes me a log in page with no option to join.


Emailed support and they said they are permanently closed.   Actually said"Sorry we are pertinently  closed  Does pertinently  mean temporary due to Covid:?I attached their reply.


I'm on vacation so will try the support number I found in another message.

Text cloner support
1-888-514-9117


http://www.premierathome.com/products/TextClonerPro.php


I hope I can get it but I haven't even had a chance to try it.  My experience with ABBY in the past wasn't so good.


Bob

On 2020-01-08 4:43 p.m., Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

i use abby
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] OCR

Good morning,

Has anyone compared OCR software lately?   I had someone ask about Omnipage 20.  I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I wasn't sure how they compare or what other options are out there currently.

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Re: accessible SIP client

Mobeen Iqbal
 

Hi.

Phoner lite is also a decent enough client,:

http://phonerlite.de/index_en.htm

And one of my favourites used to be express talk from NCH software:

https://www.nch.com.au/talk/index.html

I hope this helps?

Very best wishes,

Mo.


On 04/09/2020 23:16, Oleksandr Gryshchenko wrote:
Hello ;)
I use StarPhone.
It is a very simple SIP program.
Unfortunately, there are several unsigned buttons in the main window.
But in general it is quite possible to use it.
Good luck to you!


Re: accessible SIP client

Oleksandr Gryshchenko
 

Hello ;)
I use StarPhone.
It is a very simple SIP program.
Unfortunately, there are several unsigned buttons in the main window.
But in general it is quite possible to use it.
Good luck to you!


Re: Looking for a *very specific* method of captioning

Jesse Farquharson
 

Hey Brian,

Not being able to register the words flashing on the screen isn't something I'm too concerned about. It's a changing visual that would give folks something to look at.

I'm guessing, like I said, that there's no way to do this?

If not, could anyone recommend something pretty/calming that I might loop... assuming I can even figure out how to do such a thing?

Thanks.


Re: NVDA not able to install completely and gives error

Arlene
 

I’m not sure. She did tell me she got rid of it.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Griffith
Sent: September 4, 2020 8:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not able to install completely and gives error

 

I believe the command is to kill a running process – not uninstall the program.

What is the problematic install?

Is Add Remove not working?

Sometimes programs include their own uninstall code in the program folder  it has installed into.

Some anti virus programs require special utilities.

 

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Arlene
Sent: 04 September 2020 04:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not able to install completely and gives error

 

Hi, will that do it to any other program you might want rid of? I have a friend who has trouble getting rid of a program. She’s sighted.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jim Pipczak
Sent: September 3, 2020 5:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not able to install completely and gives error

 

Hi,

 

Press Windows r to bring up the run dialogue box and then type tskill nvda and press the enter key.

 

This will kill the NVDA process. Then reinstall NVDA.

 

Thanks,

Jim

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohd. Ahtesham Shaikh

Sent: Thursday, 3 September 2020 8:07 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] NVDA not able to install completely and gives error

 

Dear all,

Hope all are fine.

I am facing an issue with NVDA.

Suddenly NVDA stopped working and I tried installing it again.

After installation I am hearing jaws say NVDA is not responding and there is a blank dialogue box appearing at the center of the screen.

I tried re-installing several times after completely uninstalling but does not work.

Is there any solution to this problem.

I am using Windows 10 on 64 bit I3 laptop.

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

Ahtesham

 

 

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From India

Using Windows 8.1 at home and windows 10 pro in office

 

 

 

 

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Client Services

Vision Australia

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Re: NVDA not able to install completely and gives error

David Griffith
 

I believe the command is to kill a running process – not uninstall the program.

What is the problematic install?

Is Add Remove not working?

Sometimes programs include their own uninstall code in the program folder  it has installed into.

Some anti virus programs require special utilities.

 

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Arlene
Sent: 04 September 2020 04:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not able to install completely and gives error

 

Hi, will that do it to any other program you might want rid of? I have a friend who has trouble getting rid of a program. She’s sighted.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jim Pipczak
Sent: September 3, 2020 5:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not able to install completely and gives error

 

Hi,

 

Press Windows r to bring up the run dialogue box and then type tskill nvda and press the enter key.

 

This will kill the NVDA process. Then reinstall NVDA.

 

Thanks,

Jim

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohd. Ahtesham Shaikh

Sent: Thursday, 3 September 2020 8:07 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] NVDA not able to install completely and gives error

 

Dear all,

Hope all are fine.

I am facing an issue with NVDA.

Suddenly NVDA stopped working and I tried installing it again.

After installation I am hearing jaws say NVDA is not responding and there is a blank dialogue box appearing at the center of the screen.

I tried re-installing several times after completely uninstalling but does not work.

Is there any solution to this problem.

I am using Windows 10 on 64 bit I3 laptop.

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

Ahtesham

 

 

--

Mohd. Ahtesham

From India

Using Windows 8.1 at home and windows 10 pro in office

 

 

 

 

Jim Pipczak

Access Technology Service Development Lead

Client Services

Vision Australia

14 & 17 Barrett Street Kensington VIC 3031

 

M: +614 3375 7598 T: +613 8378 1243 (I: 344243)

E: Jim.Pipczak@...

www.visionaustralia.org

 

 

Vision Australia is committed to supporting the blind and low vision community through COVID-19. Find out about our response and free support resources online at www.visionaustralia.org/COVID19.

 

[Vision Australia. Blindness. Low Vision.  Opportunity. - logo]

 

[Vision Australia. Winner of the Australian HR Award for Best Workplace Diversity and Inclusion Program. - logo]

 

Vision Australia acknowledges Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as the traditional custodians of the land on which we operate. We have an inclusive culture and value diversity and all abilities.

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA not able to install completely and gives error

Hettie <woehler.hettie@...>
 

Hi Gen

Thanks for this information as I can use it now too when removing a program.


Hettie

On 2020/09/03 11:28 pm, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi Ahtesham


When you said you completely uninstalled nvda from your computer was that just from the area in the control pannel called program and features? where it was uninstalled.


If this is the case you might have to do the following when NVDA has been uninstalled from there.


Press the windows key + letter R then in the run dialogue box type the following %appdata% then press the enter key. You will be given a list of folders locate the one for NVDA and delete it. Then close that screen with the alt + f4 key.


Then go back and reinstall NVDA to your computer to be safe some times grab a fresh copy of nvda from NVACCESS then reinstall it to your computer.


Hopefully that fixes your problem.

You might need another screen reader to do this which I think you mentioned jaws but any one should do.


Gene nz



On 3/09/2020 10:07 pm, Mohd. Ahtesham Shaikh wrote:
Dear all,
Hope all are fine.
I am facing an issue with NVDA.
Suddenly NVDA stopped working and I tried installing it again.
After installation I am hearing jaws say NVDA is not responding and
there is a blank dialogue box appearing at the center of the screen.
I tried re-installing several times after completely uninstalling but
does not work.
Is there any solution to this problem.
I am using Windows 10 on 64 bit I3 laptop.



Thanks,

Ahtesham

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Re: accessible SIP client

Iván Novegil
 

Try MicroSIP, you'll need to use object navigation in some scenarios but it's usable.


Regards.

Iván Novegil Cancelas
Editor
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O 04/09/2020 á(s) 6:29, Rob Hudson escribiu:

The company I'm starting with uses a program called Zoiper. It's what I would call marginally usable, meaning NVDA sometimes can't find where it's supposed to be and clicks the wrong thing.
Would like to know of a recommendation for an accessible SIP client/softphone I could switch to, if the company gives me permission to, that is. Thanks.




Re: multiple instances of NVDA

Luke Davis
 

As a followup for the archive: I have created an issue for this, with attached logs as Quentin requested.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11553

Luke

On Fri, 21 Aug 2020, Luke Davis wrote:

On Fri, 21 Aug 2020, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Interesting, I regularly restart NVDA and I don't recall ever seeing it from that.  Do you have any add-ons?
Several. Nothing particularly unusual though.
W10 App Essentials, Add-on Updater, Speech History, Bluetooth Audio, Add-on Documentation, Remote, Classic Selection, debugHelper, Dropbox, Easy Table Nav, Mozilla Apps Enhancements, Notepad++, Outlook Extended, Object Detection, Synth Ring Settings Selector, Virtual Review.

Also, while I run into this literally a few times per week, I have been unable to repro it on latest alpha yet. Of course, now that I said it happens all the time, it isn't happening today.


accessible SIP client

Rob Hudson
 

The company I'm starting with uses a program called Zoiper. It's what I would call marginally usable, meaning NVDA sometimes can't find where it's supposed to be and clicks the wrong thing.
Would like to know of a recommendation for an accessible SIP client/softphone I could switch to, if the company gives me permission to, that is. Thanks.


Re: Unspoken 0.4 is now release #addonrelease

Leslie <soundsofmusic@...>
 

What is Unspoken?  Is it a new voice for NVDA.?  I like the 1 core voices very much, but I love to change to a new voice every once in a while.  I have lots of voices on my cell phone and each talking voice has its own personality even though it’s a computer voice.  Variety is the spice of life, I think.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: rowen brian
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2020 7:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unspoken 0.4 is now release #addonRelease

 

Hello, can you provide a shortcut key to switch the sound?

 


Re: NVDA not able to install completely and gives error

Arlene
 

Hi, will that do it to any other program you might want rid of? I have a friend who has trouble getting rid of a program. She’s sighted.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jim Pipczak
Sent: September 3, 2020 5:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not able to install completely and gives error

 

Hi,

 

Press Windows r to bring up the run dialogue box and then type tskill nvda and press the enter key.

 

This will kill the NVDA process. Then reinstall NVDA.

 

Thanks,

Jim

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohd. Ahtesham Shaikh

Sent: Thursday, 3 September 2020 8:07 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] NVDA not able to install completely and gives error

 

Dear all,

Hope all are fine.

I am facing an issue with NVDA.

Suddenly NVDA stopped working and I tried installing it again.

After installation I am hearing jaws say NVDA is not responding and there is a blank dialogue box appearing at the center of the screen.

I tried re-installing several times after completely uninstalling but does not work.

Is there any solution to this problem.

I am using Windows 10 on 64 bit I3 laptop.

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

Ahtesham

 

 

--

Mohd. Ahtesham

From India

Using Windows 8.1 at home and windows 10 pro in office

 

 

 

 

Jim Pipczak

Access Technology Service Development Lead

Client Services

Vision Australia

14 & 17 Barrett Street Kensington VIC 3031

 

M: +614 3375 7598 T: +613 8378 1243 (I: 344243)

E: Jim.Pipczak@...

www.visionaustralia.org

 

 

Vision Australia is committed to supporting the blind and low vision community through COVID-19. Find out about our response and free support resources online at www.visionaustralia.org/COVID19.

 

[Vision Australia. Blindness. Low Vision.  Opportunity. - logo]

 

[Vision Australia. Winner of the Australian HR Award for Best Workplace Diversity and Inclusion Program. - logo]

 

Vision Australia acknowledges Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as the traditional custodians of the land on which we operate. We have an inclusive culture and value diversity and all abilities.

 

 

 

 


Re: Unspoken 0.4 is now release #addonrelease

rowen brian <manchen0528@...>
 

Hello, can you provide a shortcut key to switch the sound?


Re: NVDA not able to install completely and gives error

Jim Pipczak
 

Hi,

Press Windows r to bring up the run dialogue box and then type tskill nvda and press the enter key.

This will kill the NVDA process. Then reinstall NVDA.

Thanks,
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohd. Ahtesham Shaikh
Sent: Thursday, 3 September 2020 8:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not able to install completely and gives error

Dear all,
Hope all are fine.
I am facing an issue with NVDA.
Suddenly NVDA stopped working and I tried installing it again.
After installation I am hearing jaws say NVDA is not responding and there is a blank dialogue box appearing at the center of the screen.
I tried re-installing several times after completely uninstalling but does not work.
Is there any solution to this problem.
I am using Windows 10 on 64 bit I3 laptop.



Thanks,

Ahtesham


--
Mohd. Ahtesham
From India
Using Windows 8.1 at home and windows 10 pro in office




Jim Pipczak
Access Technology Service Development Lead
Client Services
Vision Australia
14 & 17 Barrett Street Kensington VIC 3031

M: +614 3375 7598 T: +613 8378 1243 (I: 344243)
E: Jim.Pipczak@visionaustralia.org
www.visionaustralia.org


Vision Australia is committed to supporting the blind and low vision community through COVID-19. Find out about our response and free support resources online at www.visionaustralia.org/COVID19.

[Vision Australia. Blindness. Low Vision. Opportunity. - logo]

[Vision Australia. Winner of the Australian HR Award for Best Workplace Diversity and Inclusion Program. - logo]

Vision Australia acknowledges Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as the traditional custodians of the land on which we operate. We have an inclusive culture and value diversity and all abilities.


Re: NVDA not able to install completely and gives error

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Ahtesham


When you said you completely uninstalled nvda from your computer was that just from the area in the control pannel called program and features? where it was uninstalled.


If this is the case you might have to do the following when NVDA has been uninstalled from there.


Press the windows key + letter R then in the run dialogue box type the following %appdata% then press the enter key. You will be given a list of folders locate the one for NVDA and delete it. Then close that screen with the alt + f4 key.


Then go back and reinstall NVDA to your computer to be safe some times grab a fresh copy of nvda from NVACCESS then reinstall it to your computer.


Hopefully that fixes your problem.

You might need another screen reader to do this which I think you mentioned jaws but any one should do.


Gene nz

On 3/09/2020 10:07 pm, Mohd. Ahtesham Shaikh wrote:
Dear all,
Hope all are fine.
I am facing an issue with NVDA.
Suddenly NVDA stopped working and I tried installing it again.
After installation I am hearing jaws say NVDA is not responding and
there is a blank dialogue box appearing at the center of the screen.
I tried re-installing several times after completely uninstalling but
does not work.
Is there any solution to this problem.
I am using Windows 10 on 64 bit I3 laptop.



Thanks,

Ahtesham


Re: Access regarding email with quotations and screen readers, NVDA, in this case

 

Dave,

              In playing with NVDA the recommendation about using the comma command to jump out of a block quote to new material works.  I just didn't know it existed.

              Now, mind you, I wish that the various levels of quotation were each considered their own container, and that some command not as yet in existence would only go to the next level out, with the separate comma command allowing you to jump out of the entire set of stacked quotations to the new material (which it does now, but with the block quote, no matter how many levels it contains, treated as a single, atomic container).

--

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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Access regarding email with quotations and screen readers, NVDA, in this case

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Day:  I'm like you as far as using a computer and reading email for years.  It would seem like you set an item in the screen reader to find the time stamps in the background in order to go to the newest information.  This is just a guest on my part, however, why couldn't something like this be tried.

Dave


On 8/26/2020 2:37 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I don't know whether this is something NVDA (or any screen reader) should address, or if the issue should be solved elsewhere, but a screen reader then able to pick up the change.

It is very, very common practice for e-mail conversations to take on a "quote, reply, quote, reply, quote, reply" format.  This is all the more true when a very long exchange is taking place, involving multiple participants, and it would be entirely unclear what was being responded to without retaining something from a prior message or messages to set the stage.

In "the old days" of plain text email, quotation was indicated by the presence of the greater than character, >, at the beginning of a line and the number of greater thans indicated how many times something had been quoted, as there are often quotes that quote previous quotes.  While this certainly worked, it was visually very messy as quote depth increased.

Now in the age of HTML e-mail, the use of characters to indicate quotation has gone by the wayside and now visual bars are used in much the same manner.  They're semi-transparent and for each requotation another bar appears, so if someone had quoted someone else who had already quoted someone before them, there would be three bars stacked, to show who quoted what.

In any event, for those of us who can see, we are able to scan the page visually and jump almost instantly to the new material that resides beneath each quote sequence after reading whatever portion of the quoted material they need to in order to get themselves up to speed before reading that new material.

I have never found a way for a screen reader user to do "direct jumps" to new material with a screen reader.  Screen readers don't seem to differentiate in any meaningful way between quoted and fresh material, and give screen reader users a way to jump between chunks of that fresh material when they wish to do so.

Am I missing something?   Is there already a way this can be done with ease?  If there is, I don't know what it is and I have plenty of evidence that most screen reader users don't, either, even those who've been using them for a very, very long time.

If there isn't, is there some roadblock to making a screen reader able to recognize where quoted text ends and new material begins?  Since there has to be something behind the scenes that creates those bar structures that I see, I have to believe that a screen reader has access to that same information, and that it would be relatively simply (note, relatively) to create a keyboard shortcut that causes all quoted material to be skipped and focus thrown to the first word of the unquoted material after it. 

I've been using e-mail since the 1980s, and I can say without question that the custom in the blind community of putting all new content at the top is not even close to universal.  And given how well a "quote response quote response" format is for sighted email users, it's never going to go away.  It seems there should be some way for screen reader users to do the rough equivalent of reading whatever part of the quoted material they might wish, but after having heard it being able to jump instantly past any that follows where they've stopped and go straight to the new material beneath the quote.

I know that there are a number of regulars here who are NVDA developers, add-on developers, or similarly positioned to have a lot of insight about this, so I'm asking.

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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

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