Date   
goldwave and maybe other cd reader software using freedb

 

Hi.

With the loss of freedb, especially for a lot of older software using it that just doesn't work.

freedb.goldwave.ca is the one goldwave made for its software but it may work for other things to.

At any rate going to the address mentioned via a web program may get some people having a laugh.

Its all written in old english.

Re: On Repetitive Subscribe/Unsubscribe Activity On This or Any Groups.io Groups #adminnotice

Jackie
 

Thanks, Brian V--those links are really helpful.

On 7/7/20, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Hello All,

What follows is a request that is for your benefit as a member, and the
benefit for those who administer whatever groups you may be a member of on
Groups.io.

Every time you subscribe anew, you are put back on moderated status until
your first message is approved by the group owner or moderator.  This is how
Groups.io does things by default, and it's a great spam control mechanism.
And if you unsubscribe, and later subscribe again, you are treated as though
you are a brand new member and will be put on moderated status until your
first message (for the most recent subscription cycle) is approved.

This can be easily avoided by not unsubscribing from a group if you decide
you want a vacation from it for a while, but suspect you'll want to jump
back in again later.  Sending a message to nvda+nomail@nvda.groups.io (or
the equivalent for whatever group you wish to take a vacation from) will
immediately suspend delivery of all group email to you, regardless of
whether you were receiving it as individual messages, digests, or other
format you chose.  You can resume email participation again, without losing
your member status or being subjected to new member moderation, if you use
the nomail address to suspend messages.  To jump back in again send a
message to one of the following, depending on the message delivery you
want:

* nvda+single@nvda.groups.io ( nvda+single@nvda.groups.io ) deliver each
message posted to the group to your inbox
* nvda+fulldigest@nvda.groups.io ( nvda+fulldigest@nvda.groups.io ) deliver
a full-featured digest
* nvda+digest@nvda.groups.io ( nvda+digest@nvda.groups.io ) deliver a
plain-text digest
* nvda+summary@nvda.groups.io ( nvda+summary@nvda.groups.io ) deliver a
daily summary

Email from any Groups.io group can be managed that way for a group you
really aren't intending to permanently leave.  It makes your rejoining, when
you do it, instantaneous with the same unmoderated status you had prior to
stopping email delivery.  It also makes it easier for group owners and
moderators, who won't have to approve you again.
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*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment
Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html
) , September 23, 2019



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On Repetitive Subscribe/Unsubscribe Activity On This or Any Groups.io Groups #adminnotice

 

Hello All,

           What follows is a request that is for your benefit as a member, and the benefit for those who administer whatever groups you may be a member of on Groups.io.

           Every time you subscribe anew, you are put back on moderated status until your first message is approved by the group owner or moderator.  This is how Groups.io does things by default, and it's a great spam control mechanism.  And if you unsubscribe, and later subscribe again, you are treated as though you are a brand new member and will be put on moderated status until your first message (for the most recent subscription cycle) is approved.

           This can be easily avoided by not unsubscribing from a group if you decide you want a vacation from it for a while, but suspect you'll want to jump back in again later.  Sending a message to nvda+nomail@nvda.groups.io (or the equivalent for whatever group you wish to take a vacation from) will immediately suspend delivery of all group email to you, regardless of whether you were receiving it as individual messages, digests, or other format you chose.  You can resume email participation again, without losing your member status or being subjected to new member moderation, if you use the nomail address to suspend messages.  To jump back in again send a message to one of the following, depending on the message delivery you want:


            Email from any Groups.io group can be managed that way for a group you really aren't intending to permanently leave.  It makes your rejoining, when you do it, instantaneous with the same unmoderated status you had prior to stopping email delivery.  It also makes it easier for group owners and moderators, who won't have to approve you again.
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

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locked Re: is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

 

Lots of good information has been shared in this topic, but it has also now been thoroughly exhausted.  It is being locked.

Takeaways should be:

1.  Any given program can crash for any one of a number of reasons.

2.  If that program is one you absolutely must use, then going through the diagnostic steps to determine the cause of the crash will be necessary.  If there exist alternatives, then at least in the short term, using those should be explored.

3. Certain web browsers can be very cranky about certain web pages or web sites.  If that's the case, definitely try another browser to access said web pages or sites.

4. NVDA has been working fine with the currently supported versions of all mainstream web browsers, and some less than mainstream ones, as a general rule.  This strongly suggests that crashes for anyone are likely to be idiosyncratic to something about their own machine's ecosystem.  What that something is would require going through the sequence of diagnostic steps necessary to narrow it down.

5. The use of out-of-support software, be it web browsers, operating systems, or otherwise is bound to eventually lead to issues.  Always has, always will.  Software, like hardware (and not just computer hardware), has a finite service life and it is expected that it will need to be replaced at predictable intervals.

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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

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locked Re: is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

Arlene
 

Zahra, I myself have had firefox crash on me. With my dying 7 box. I don’t remember witch version I had. I was using it with my food safe class and it often crashed on me.  I thought it was the dying computer. I was using the latest version of NVDA  from last year even.  When that box finally died I ended up with this ten box. I completed my food safe course using chrome.  I found it was like firefox.  I never gave it a thought and I’m using Chrome and edge.  Chrome has been my default browser since I  got this ten box.  I can’t remember what site I used to do the food safe with. But it used either Firefox or Chrome.  If it hadden’t been for NVDA I would not have completed that course alone! I would have had to have constant help! 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: zahra
Sent: July 7, 2020 4:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

 

do you remember the exact version that tell me?

in which version of firefox, you dont experience crash anymore?

for myself, firefox 61 was the only version that i had as a portable

version on windows seven in 2018, and i explained that i had crashes

even when openning gmail in basic html view

or reading nvda user guide help file!

firefox 61 was completely unusable for me.

 

On 7/7/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> It may vary from machine to machine how often Firefox crashes.  I used to

> have a problem with it crashing a lot.  I haven't done much testing, but

> with the little I have recently, the problem appears to have been resolved.

> The best thing to do is, once you get a machine that can run it, see how it

> runs on that machine.

> Gene

> -----Original Message-----

> From: zahra

> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 5:29 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any

> crash or major issue?

> since which version of firefox quantum, firefox stopped crashing for you?

> On 7/7/20, Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:

>> I've been using Firefox for years, and it worked pretty well, even now.

>> When I was still using Windows 7, Firefox does crash from time to time,

>> but

>> that maybe partly because I was using Firefox 52, but now that I'm on

>> Windows 10 and the latest version of Firefox, I have not experience any

>> crashes, at least so far.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> --

> By God,

> were I given all the seven heavens

> with all they contain

> in order that

> I may disobey God

> by depriving an ant

> from the husk of a grain of barley,

> I would not do it.

> imam ali

>

 

 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

 

 

 

locked Re: is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

 

Firefox (very latest version as of this writing, 78.0.1) has been working fine with NVDA for as long as I can remember.  So do the latest versions of Chrome, new Edge and Edge Dev, and Brave (and I'd imagine all Chromium-based browsers).

As has already been mentioned the various Firefox derivatives seem to work just fine, too.

It is a fact that certain web browsers will "play better" with certain webpages, just as there are times that certain screen readers will "play better" with certain programs (including web browsers).  You (any you) have always got to be prepared to use an alternate screen reader or program (most often web browser) when circumstances dictate that.

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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 

Re: Subscribing/Unsubscribing from the NVDA Group on Groups.io

 

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 07:53 AM, zahra wrote:
what can i do to not have duplicate of my messages?
You know, Zahra, you have already been given explicit instructions on where and how to start, but have chosen to ignore those.  Until, and unless, you get yourself logged in to the Groups.io website, and check the account setting I've already mentioned, there would be absolutely, positively no point in doing anything else, for that simple change may be it.

Help is a two way street, and ignoring taking the steps given by potential (or actual) assistants doesn't encourage further assistance to be forthcoming.
 
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 

locked Re: is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

 

Well I just got my new Windows 10 desktop back in May, but I've been using Windows 10 on my laptop since a few years ago, maybe late 2015 or 2016.

locked Re: is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

 

from when, do you have windows ten?
if you remember it,
i can search in the mozilla website
and find the exact version number of firefox that stopped crashing for you.

On 7/7/20, Supanut Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:
Sadly, I can't remember the exact version, as I pretty much jumpped from
Firefox 52 to whatever the latest version of Firefox is at the time I set up
my new Windows 10 desktop computer.
And since then, Firefox has been pretty much autoupdating itself, and now
I'm on Firefox 78.



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

locked Re: is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

 

Sadly, I can't remember the exact version, as I pretty much jumpped from Firefox 52 to whatever the latest version of Firefox is at the time I set up my new Windows 10 desktop computer.
And since then, Firefox has been pretty much autoupdating itself, and now I'm on Firefox 78.

locked Re: is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

Gene
 

Try the current version. I don't use Firefox enough to tell you that it happened in this or that version that crashes stopped. And its bad procedure to use that version if it isn't current. Whenever you can, try the current version.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: zahra
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 6:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

do you remember the exact version that tell me?
in which version of firefox, you dont experience crash anymore?
for myself, firefox 61 was the only version that i had as a portable
version on windows seven in 2018, and i explained that i had crashes
even when openning gmail in basic html view
or reading nvda user guide help file!
firefox 61 was completely unusable for me.

On 7/7/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
It may vary from machine to machine how often Firefox crashes. I used to
have a problem with it crashing a lot. I haven't done much testing, but
with the little I have recently, the problem appears to have been resolved.

The best thing to do is, once you get a machine that can run it, see how it

runs on that machine.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: zahra
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 5:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any

crash or major issue?

since which version of firefox quantum, firefox stopped crashing for you?

On 7/7/20, Supanut Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:
I've been using Firefox for years, and it worked pretty well, even now.
When I was still using Windows 7, Firefox does crash from time to time,
but
that maybe partly because I was using Firefox 52, but now that I'm on
Windows 10 and the latest version of Firefox, I have not experience any
crashes, at least so far.




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

locked Re: is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

Gene
 

Also, on The New York Times Site home page, which is intensive in its use of JAVA script, I think more so than a lot of other pages, I lose my place in Firefox while moving around after the page loads for a time. Then, things settle down. But Firefox may, and I say may because I'm just talking about one page, have more trouble working properly on intensive pages.

I don't recall all your objections to Chrome, but you may be cutting off your nose to spite your face and demanding perfection when there is none.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 6:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

It may vary from machine to machine how often Firefox crashes. I used to
have a problem with it crashing a lot. I haven't done much testing, but
with the little I have recently, the problem appears to have been resolved.

The best thing to do is, once you get a machine that can run it, see how it
runs on that machine.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: zahra
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 5:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any
crash or major issue?

since which version of firefox quantum, firefox stopped crashing for you?

On 7/7/20, Supanut Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:
I've been using Firefox for years, and it worked pretty well, even now.
When I was still using Windows 7, Firefox does crash from time to time, but
that maybe partly because I was using Firefox 52, but now that I'm on
Windows 10 and the latest version of Firefox, I have not experience any
crashes, at least so far.




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

locked Re: is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

 

do you remember the exact version that tell me?
in which version of firefox, you dont experience crash anymore?
for myself, firefox 61 was the only version that i had as a portable
version on windows seven in 2018, and i explained that i had crashes
even when openning gmail in basic html view
or reading nvda user guide help file!
firefox 61 was completely unusable for me.

On 7/7/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
It may vary from machine to machine how often Firefox crashes. I used to
have a problem with it crashing a lot. I haven't done much testing, but
with the little I have recently, the problem appears to have been resolved.

The best thing to do is, once you get a machine that can run it, see how it

runs on that machine.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: zahra
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 5:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any

crash or major issue?

since which version of firefox quantum, firefox stopped crashing for you?

On 7/7/20, Supanut Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:
I've been using Firefox for years, and it worked pretty well, even now.
When I was still using Windows 7, Firefox does crash from time to time,
but
that maybe partly because I was using Firefox 52, but now that I'm on
Windows 10 and the latest version of Firefox, I have not experience any
crashes, at least so far.




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: Subscribing/Unsubscribing from the NVDA Group on Groups.io

 

hello Gene and Luke.
thanks for your help.
what can i do to not have duplicate of my messages?

On 7/7/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Only you. I never receive duplicate copies.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: zahra
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 5:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Subscribing/Unsubscribing from the NVDA Group on
Groups.io

brian, do you recieve my emails and post twice?
or i am only alone that recieve my emails twice?
for example: when i navigate in my emails,
the first one says zahra ayat (my name and family name),
when i press h again,
nvda says zahra via groups.io

On 7/6/20, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Zahra,

Depending on when you joined the group, and how, there is a Groups.io
feature in your Accounts page, Preferences tab, that is a checkbox that
reads, I always want copies of my own emails.

The default state for that these days is off, but at one time it was on.
That's the most likely reason. However, if you have an e-mail client
with
filters set up there are times that filters can end up creating double
copies as well.

If you have never logged on to the Groups.io website, then see the
beginning
of this document, *Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from
Groups.io,* (
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1B941pSg2OCRKGukRg1d5w7nwu8wJLUaK
)
with regard to how to get a password to log in to the site to control
your
various settings. At this point you do not need to know anything beyond
how
to get set up to log in and can read the rest of that document at your
leisure. After you log in to Groups.io, you can copy and paste this URL,
https://groups.io/account?page=prefs , into your address box and you'll
be
taken straight to your preferences page where you can examine that
checkbox
and uncheck it if it's checked. Just remember to activate the Update
Preferences button at the bottom of the page to save your changes if you
make any.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine
Sentiment
Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html
) , September 23, 2019




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: Subscribing/Unsubscribing from the NVDA Group on Groups.io

Gene
 

Only you. I never receive duplicate copies.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: zahra
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 5:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Subscribing/Unsubscribing from the NVDA Group on Groups.io

brian, do you recieve my emails and post twice?
or i am only alone that recieve my emails twice?
for example: when i navigate in my emails,
the first one says zahra ayat (my name and family name),
when i press h again,
nvda says zahra via groups.io

On 7/6/20, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Zahra,

Depending on when you joined the group, and how, there is a Groups.io
feature in your Accounts page, Preferences tab, that is a checkbox that
reads, I always want copies of my own emails.

The default state for that these days is off, but at one time it was on.
That's the most likely reason. However, if you have an e-mail client with
filters set up there are times that filters can end up creating double
copies as well.

If you have never logged on to the Groups.io website, then see the beginning
of this document, *Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from
Groups.io,* (
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1B941pSg2OCRKGukRg1d5w7nwu8wJLUaK
)
with regard to how to get a password to log in to the site to control your
various settings. At this point you do not need to know anything beyond how
to get set up to log in and can read the rest of that document at your
leisure. After you log in to Groups.io, you can copy and paste this URL,
https://groups.io/account?page=prefs , into your address box and you'll be
taken straight to your preferences page where you can examine that checkbox
and uncheck it if it's checked. Just remember to activate the Update
Preferences button at the bottom of the page to save your changes if you
make any.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment
Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html
) , September 23, 2019




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

locked Re: is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

Gene
 

It may vary from machine to machine how often Firefox crashes. I used to have a problem with it crashing a lot. I haven't done much testing, but with the little I have recently, the problem appears to have been resolved.

The best thing to do is, once you get a machine that can run it, see how it runs on that machine.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: zahra
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 5:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

since which version of firefox quantum, firefox stopped crashing for you?

On 7/7/20, Supanut Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:
I've been using Firefox for years, and it worked pretty well, even now.
When I was still using Windows 7, Firefox does crash from time to time, but
that maybe partly because I was using Firefox 52, but now that I'm on
Windows 10 and the latest version of Firefox, I have not experience any
crashes, at least so far.




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: Subscribing/Unsubscribing from the NVDA Group on Groups.io

 

brian, do you recieve my emails and post twice?
or i am only alone that recieve my emails twice?
for example: when i navigate in my emails,
the first one says zahra ayat (my name and family name),
when i press h again,
nvda says zahra via groups.io

On 7/6/20, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Zahra,

Depending on when you joined the group, and how, there is a Groups.io
feature in your Accounts page, Preferences tab, that is a checkbox that
reads, I always want copies of my own emails.

The default state for that these days is off, but at one time it was on.
That's the most likely reason. However, if you have an e-mail client with
filters set up there are times that filters can end up creating double
copies as well.

If you have never logged on to the Groups.io website, then see the beginning
of this document, *Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from
Groups.io,* (
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1B941pSg2OCRKGukRg1d5w7nwu8wJLUaK
)
with regard to how to get a password to log in to the site to control your
various settings. At this point you do not need to know anything beyond how
to get set up to log in and can read the rest of that document at your
leisure. After you log in to Groups.io, you can copy and paste this URL,
https://groups.io/account?page=prefs , into your address box and you'll be
taken straight to your preferences page where you can examine that checkbox
and uncheck it if it's checked. Just remember to activate the Update
Preferences button at the bottom of the page to save your changes if you
make any.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment
Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html
) , September 23, 2019



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

locked Re: is firefox quantum now works well with nvda without any crash or major issue?

 

since which version of firefox quantum, firefox stopped crashing for you?

On 7/7/20, Supanut Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:
I've been using Firefox for years, and it worked pretty well, even now.
When I was still using Windows 7, Firefox does crash from time to time, but
that maybe partly because I was using Firefox 52, but now that I'm on
Windows 10 and the latest version of Firefox, I have not experience any
crashes, at least so far.



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

Damien Garwood
 

Hi Gene,
Time isn't an issue for me. The problem is finding beginner-friendly resources. That's also an issue because people learn in different ways, program in different ways, and experts are generally unaware of what or how to teach beginners unless they are qualified teachers and/or course organisers (I speak from experience). One of the biggest hurdles is discovering exactly what the beginner does or doesn't know (and that goes for any area of study).
Personally, I'm rubbish at learning through pre-existing material or class-based courses. I learn ten times quicker and better through personal tuition. Unfortunately, where that causes a problem is, money.
Again, I speak from experience. I did a course that taught how to use Reaper three years ago, and I couldn't get to grips with it. Two months of personal tuition, and I'm doing things I would have never dreamed of before then.
Anyway, I am glad you find use for it, but it's doubly clear to me now that it definitely could be improved.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 07/07/2020 10:41 am, Gene wrote:
It may have faults or defects but I've been using it for years and I find it useful and almost always reliable.  I'm very pleased you created it, though from what you say, it may have taken so much time that maybe it wasn't worth it from your standpoint of time and work.  But I have believed since the issue came up, that this feature should be in the NVDA code itself and I very much a[ppreciate your attempting to make NVDA do what System Access and JAWS both do and saving me work and aggrevation because I usually know when, even if I issue the command correctly, it fails and then I can make sure it is done correctly.
Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Damien Garwood
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 2:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as
Hi Joseph,
Trust me, I wouldn't take it badly if you did.
I guess that's what happens when a beginner tries to code something
useful without knowing how the infrastructure around it works.
Having said that, nobody can say I didn't read the dev docs. I just
didn't understand most of them. But I was determined not to throw in the
towel at that point. If I'd known what an embarrassing piece of junk I
was going to spew forth...
Three years of hard study, a few months of coding, and three years of
reflection. Yup. I think we can safely say I definitely failed that test!
If it's any consolation, I don't even use Clipspeak myself anymore.
Cheers,
Damien.
On 06/07/2020 11:19 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,

Okay, a few things for everyone:

  * Is this related to NVDA language: actually, no. If it was, then it
    would be something NVDA translators would have been aware of. A key
    piece of information translators need is add-on gestures, and for
    this one, there is none for languages other than English. How we
    ended up with this is beyond the scope of this forum – all I can say
    is that ClipSpeak wasn’t registered with translations workflow, and
    it won’t be made translatable for some time (due to another work
    that’s being researched, which is again beyond the scope of this list).
  * Is NVDA supposed to announce “cut” all the time: no. If the
    currently focused control does allow you to cut or copy text using
    how NVDA does it (say, in browse mode), it is supposed to use
    whatever facility NVDA provides. If not, it is supposed to send the
    command to the program you are using.
  * Clipboard content matters: even if you do cut something, NVDA won’t
    announce things you have just cut. ClipSpeak supports text, parts of
    text 9such as words), and files and folders. Also, item must be
    selected (for example, text must be selected) before NVDA can say
    things.
  * Where you are located matters: even though you are working with a
    file, not all edit fields will tell ClipSpeak to announce clipboard
    messages. This is more so if the text field is read-only.

Based on this, I think one or more of the following might be happening:

  * No text selected
  * Jarte does not support operations necessary for ClipSpeak add-on to
    speak the appropriate clipboard message
  * Wrong command was sent to the application
  * NVDA didn’t recognize that the clipboard contains text

For resident geeks here: I must say ClipSpeak add-on source code is quite an interesting read. It isn’t up for me to critique the author of this add-on, but I think folks may wish to work on improving this add-on somehow.

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gerardo Corripio
*Sent:* Monday, July 6, 2020 2:58 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

Joseph and lister

Just tried the Control+x command on Jart, but no go! It doesn’t say Cut text. I again went into NVDA+n; p for Options, and N to get into the Input Gestures area; from there into Clipboard. I arrow down to where it says Cut, and it says one of one Control+x, thus I can’t get why isn’t it saying Cut text if the option is set up right? Any other ideas aside from deleting and reassigning Control+x?


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*De: *Joseph Lee <mailto:@joslee>
*Enviado: *lunes, 6 de julio de 2020 04:51 p. m.
*Para: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Asunto: *Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

Hi,

Hmmm, I think I know why. Can you tell us exactly how you are doing this – that is, tell us how to reproduce the issue? Only then I will tell you what’s happened.

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gerardo Corripio
*Sent:* Monday, July 6, 2020 2:43 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

And which is what I have as well installed since yesterday. Remember I use Windows in Spanish, thus I went into check within the Clipboard subsection ofInput Gestures, and the Control+x is as it should.


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*De: *Brian Vogel <mailto:@britechguy>
*Enviado: *lunes, 6 de julio de 2020 04:36 p. m.
*Para: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Asunto: *Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

Gene,

         I omitted that the version currently downloading from the official add-on page you supplied, https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html, is ClipSpeak 1.1, which is what Luke stated he just downloaded in an earlier post.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

/*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.*/

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in /New York Times/ article, /How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States/ <https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html>/,/September 23, 2019

Re: ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

Gene
 

It may have faults or defects but I've been using it for years and I find it useful and almost always reliable. I'm very pleased you created it, though from what you say, it may have taken so much time that maybe it wasn't worth it from your standpoint of time and work. But I have believed since the issue came up, that this feature should be in the NVDA code itself and I very much a[ppreciate your attempting to make NVDA do what System Access and JAWS both do and saving me work and aggrevation because I usually know when, even if I issue the command correctly, it fails and then I can make sure it is done correctly.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Damien Garwood
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 2:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

Hi Joseph,
Trust me, I wouldn't take it badly if you did.
I guess that's what happens when a beginner tries to code something
useful without knowing how the infrastructure around it works.
Having said that, nobody can say I didn't read the dev docs. I just
didn't understand most of them. But I was determined not to throw in the
towel at that point. If I'd known what an embarrassing piece of junk I
was going to spew forth...
Three years of hard study, a few months of coding, and three years of
reflection. Yup. I think we can safely say I definitely failed that test!
If it's any consolation, I don't even use Clipspeak myself anymore.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 06/07/2020 11:19 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,

Okay, a few things for everyone:

* Is this related to NVDA language: actually, no. If it was, then it
would be something NVDA translators would have been aware of. A key
piece of information translators need is add-on gestures, and for
this one, there is none for languages other than English. How we
ended up with this is beyond the scope of this forum – all I can say
is that ClipSpeak wasn’t registered with translations workflow, and
it won’t be made translatable for some time (due to another work
that’s being researched, which is again beyond the scope of this list).
* Is NVDA supposed to announce “cut” all the time: no. If the
currently focused control does allow you to cut or copy text using
how NVDA does it (say, in browse mode), it is supposed to use
whatever facility NVDA provides. If not, it is supposed to send the
command to the program you are using.
* Clipboard content matters: even if you do cut something, NVDA won’t
announce things you have just cut. ClipSpeak supports text, parts of
text 9such as words), and files and folders. Also, item must be
selected (for example, text must be selected) before NVDA can say
things.
* Where you are located matters: even though you are working with a
file, not all edit fields will tell ClipSpeak to announce clipboard
messages. This is more so if the text field is read-only.

Based on this, I think one or more of the following might be happening:

* No text selected
* Jarte does not support operations necessary for ClipSpeak add-on to
speak the appropriate clipboard message
* Wrong command was sent to the application
* NVDA didn’t recognize that the clipboard contains text

For resident geeks here: I must say ClipSpeak add-on source code is quite an interesting read. It isn’t up for me to critique the author of this add-on, but I think folks may wish to work on improving this add-on somehow.

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gerardo Corripio
*Sent:* Monday, July 6, 2020 2:58 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

Joseph and lister

Just tried the Control+x command on Jart, but no go! It doesn’t say Cut text. I again went into NVDA+n; p for Options, and N to get into the Input Gestures area; from there into Clipboard. I arrow down to where it says Cut, and it says one of one Control+x, thus I can’t get why isn’t it saying Cut text if the option is set up right? Any other ideas aside from deleting and reassigning Control+x?

Enviado desde Correo <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> para Windows 10

*De: *Joseph Lee <mailto:@joslee>
*Enviado: *lunes, 6 de julio de 2020 04:51 p. m.
*Para: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Asunto: *Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

Hi,

Hmmm, I think I know why. Can you tell us exactly how you are doing this – that is, tell us how to reproduce the issue? Only then I will tell you what’s happened.

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gerardo Corripio
*Sent:* Monday, July 6, 2020 2:43 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

And which is what I have as well installed since yesterday. Remember I use Windows in Spanish, thus I went into check within the Clipboard subsection ofInput Gestures, and the Control+x is as it should.

Enviado desde Correo <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> para Windows 10

*De: *Brian Vogel <mailto:@britechguy>
*Enviado: *lunes, 6 de julio de 2020 04:36 p. m.
*Para: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Asunto: *Re: [nvda] ClipSpeak doesn't seem as reliable as

Gene,

I omitted that the version currently downloading from the official add-on page you supplied, https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html, is ClipSpeak 1.1, which is what Luke stated he just downloaded in an earlier post.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

/*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.*/

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in /New York Times/ article, /How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States/ <https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html>/,/September 23, 2019