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Re: Formatting on a Braille Display

kelby carlson
 

Sorry for the terrible errors; braille input on my phone was not
working correctly.

On 10/3/19, kelby carlson via Groups.Io
<kelbycarlson=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Is there a way for NVDA to dispbbay formatting in a document such as italic
and bold on a connected ,R; Display?




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Re: Firefox options

Don H
 

Thanks that is the solution. Appreciate your help.

On 10/3/2019 12:14 PM, Henk Mulder wrote:
Make sure that you are in focus mode (NVDA+space), then you should be able to navigate the list.
I can also see part of the list when I'm in browse mode, but maybe the entries are hidden/ scrolled out of view when you are working in a small window.
On 10/3/2019 6:44 PM, Don H wrote:
When I do as you described I hear list general and can not move to the other categories in the list or what ever it is.

On 10/3/2019 11:24 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
If you open the options you are in the search field. Press shift+tab 3 times to get in a list with the tabs that you mention. Select the tab you want using the arrow keys and use tab to navigate through the options.

Best,
Henk

On 10/3/2019 5:31 PM, Don H wrote:
Running Win 10 1903, NVDA 2019.2.1 and latest firefox.
If you go to the options menu which is under the tools tab you get a screen with what I guess is tabs for General, Home, Search, Privacy and security and sync.  These are on the left side of the screen. On the right side of the screen are the various settings for each of the tabs on the left side of the screen.
NVDA reads the right side of the screen but will not allow you to get to the different tabs on the left side of the screen. How do you get to the options on the left side of the screen?
Thanks
Re: Someone knows a program that integrates Facebook accessible?

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

While I don't think I really understand your question, Facebook is accessible with NVDA. The best way to use Facebook is to navigate to the site and use it in focus mode, with the keyboard shortcuts that Facebook provides. I do not use Facebook and have not in a few years, but I believe that pressing ? (question mark) should present a list of keyboard shortcuts. If it does not, then google Facebook keyboard shortcuts.

Blind people have typically stuck to using the mobile site of everything. I don't know if this is because of comfort, lack of training or knowledge, laziness and unwillingness to learn something new, or because working with web apps is truly difficult, but web apps have gotten more and more accessible and usable, and are often much more productive than the mobile version of anything. Take Gmail for example. I can navigate to Gmail, traverse the email list with my arrow keys, press enter on a message, press n to move between messages in the thread and have them read out, press r to reply, press ctrl+enter to send, press c to compose a new message, etc etc. On Twitter, I can use keyboard shortcuts to move between tweets, reply to a tweet, retweet, like, etc. Accomplishing these tasks is often much more efficient than had I chosen to use the mobile version. Yes, this takes learning keyboard shortcuts, and yes, it is different than everything you may have been taught, but to characterize these interfaces as not being accessible I think is wrong and does the community a disservice.

Thanks.

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 10:27 AM Rémy Ruiz <remyruiz@...> wrote:
Hi everybody,

Someone knows a program that integrates Facebook accessible.

I do not wish Use the facebook page for mobiles.


Thank you.

Cheers.

Rémy






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Formatting on a Braille Display

kelby carlson
 
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Is there a way for NVDA to display formatting in a document such as italic and bold on a connected ,R; Display?
Re: Firefox options

Don H
 

My screen is maximized.
Another finding is I switched from NVDA to Narrator to see if it was any better. Every time with Narrator running if I open the options menu Firefox crashes. Tried it 6 times and it crashes every time.

On 10/3/2019 12:22 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 01:14 PM, Henk Mulder wrote:
maybe the entries are hidden/ scrolled out of view when you are
working in a small window.
This is something I seldom think about but that I know can be true. Maximizing the window is something I presume will be the first order of business, but that's not a safe presumption to make.  If that hasn't been tried, it should be.
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Someone knows a program that integrates Facebook accessible?

Rémy Ruiz
 

Hi everybody,

Someone knows a program that integrates Facebook accessible.

I do not wish Use the facebook page for mobiles.


Thank you.

Cheers.

Rémy
Re: Firefox options

Brian Vogel
 

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 01:14 PM, Henk Mulder wrote:
maybe the entries are hidden/ scrolled out of view when you are working in a small window.
This is something I seldom think about but that I know can be true.  Maximizing the window is something I presume will be the first order of business, but that's not a safe presumption to make.  If that hasn't been tried, it should be.
 
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The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 
Re: Firefox options

Brian Vogel
 

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 01:15 PM, Don H wrote:
Once you are on List general up and down arrows does not take me through the list.
And, I've already stated that means you have a problem and how to address it.  If you won't address it, no one can help you.  This is not normal behavior, and there are clear and specific steps, generally uninstalling and reinstalling, to take care of those.

If the issue is based in your Firefox profile, which I hope it isn't, then there's a whole other layer that might come next.
 
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Re: Firefox options

Don H
 

Once you are on List general up and down arrows does not take me through the list.

On 10/3/2019 11:56 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 12:44 PM, Don H wrote:
When I do as you described I hear list general
The first item in the "control column list" (for lack of a more precise description) is the General Settings.  That's followed by Home, Search, Privacy & Security, then Sync.  Up and down arrowing in that list moves you through the categories.
Once you have the category you want selected in the control column list, you must quadruple Tab to get to the first of the actual settings within that category.  Continuing to tab will step you through the various settings for the category.   Using CTRL+F throws focus directly back to the "Find in options" search box no matter where you are in the settings, then you can triple SHIFT+Tab back to the control column list.
If NVDA's not reading then I'd try either reinstalling NVDA, reinstalling Firefox, or both.
I am using Firefox 69.0.1 and NVDA 2019.2.1
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Re: Firefox options

Henk Mulder
 

Make sure that you are in focus mode (NVDA+space), then you should be able to navigate the list.
I can also see part of the list when I'm in browse mode, but maybe the entries are hidden/ scrolled out of view when you are working in a small window.

On 10/3/2019 6:44 PM, Don H wrote:
When I do as you described I hear list general and can not move to the other categories in the list or what ever it is.

On 10/3/2019 11:24 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
If you open the options you are in the search field. Press shift+tab 3 times to get in a list with the tabs that you mention. Select the tab you want using the arrow keys and use tab to navigate through the options.

Best,
Henk

On 10/3/2019 5:31 PM, Don H wrote:
Running Win 10 1903, NVDA 2019.2.1 and latest firefox.
If you go to the options menu which is under the tools tab you get a screen with what I guess is tabs for General, Home, Search, Privacy and security and sync.  These are on the left side of the screen.  On the right side of the screen are the various settings for each of the tabs on the left side of the screen.
NVDA reads the right side of the screen but will not allow you to get to the different tabs on the left side of the screen. How do you get to the options on the left side of the screen?
Thanks
Re: Question About Copying Text

Brian Vogel
 

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 12:43 PM, kelby carlson wrote:
I have tried this.
The "this" referred to by Bianka has to be either using CTRL+A to select all then pasting into Wordpad (in her specific case) or turning off NVDA prior to using the standard Windows keyboard shortcuts for selecting text then turning it back on.

It is insanely complicated to keep using the NVDA pass through key and selecting bits of text from a web page.  If you want to preserve formatting it's far, far easier to do a select all, which works even when NVDA is active, then paste the resulting selection into the editing software of your choice that preserves the formatting and actually hacking out what you need to hack out there.   It also allows you to back out any "ooops-es" you might have made when manipulating said text far more easily, too.
 
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Re: Question About Copying Text

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Same here...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of kelby carlson
Sent: Donnerstag, 3. Oktober 2019 18:43
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question About Copying Text

I have tried this. However, when I press shift down arrow after passing the key through, all I get is a "no selection" announcement when I try to copy to the clipboard.

On 10/2/19, Bianka Brankovic <bianka.brankovic@...> wrote:
Hi list,

I have been using Brian’s suggested method regularly.

It works with Wordpad as well and even better sometimes as getting
around in a text with preserved HTML structure and a lot of graphics
can be a chore in MS Word wen you solely rely on a screenreader sometimes.

Kind regards,

Bianka





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Re: Firefox options

Brian Vogel
 

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 12:44 PM, Don H wrote:
When I do as you described I hear list general
The first item in the "control column list" (for lack of a more precise description) is the General Settings.  That's followed by Home, Search, Privacy & Security, then Sync.  Up and down arrowing in that list moves you through the categories.

Once you have the category you want selected in the control column list, you must quadruple Tab to get to the first of the actual settings within that category.  Continuing to tab will step you through the various settings for the category.   Using CTRL+F throws focus directly back to the "Find in options" search box no matter where you are in the settings, then you can triple SHIFT+Tab back to the control column list.

If NVDA's not reading then I'd try either reinstalling NVDA, reinstalling Firefox, or both.

I am using Firefox 69.0.1 and NVDA 2019.2.1
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1903, Build 18362  

The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 
Re: Firefox options

Don H
 

When I do as you described I hear list general and can not move to the other categories in the list or what ever it is.

On 10/3/2019 11:24 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
If you open the options you are in the search field. Press shift+tab 3 times to get in a list with the tabs that you mention. Select the tab you want using the arrow keys and use tab to navigate through the options.
Best,
Henk
On 10/3/2019 5:31 PM, Don H wrote:
Running Win 10 1903, NVDA 2019.2.1 and latest firefox.
If you go to the options menu which is under the tools tab you get a screen with what I guess is tabs for General, Home, Search, Privacy and security and sync.  These are on the left side of the screen.  On the right side of the screen are the various settings for each of the tabs on the left side of the screen.
NVDA reads the right side of the screen but will not allow you to get to the different tabs on the left side of the screen.  How do you get to the options on the left side of the screen?
Thanks
Re: Question About Copying Text

kelby carlson
 

I have tried this. However, when I press shift down arrow after
passing the key through, all I get is a "no selection" announcement
when I try to copy to the clipboard.

On 10/2/19, Bianka Brankovic <bianka.brankovic@...> wrote:
Hi list,

I have been using Brian’s suggested method regularly.

It works with Wordpad as well and even better sometimes as getting around in
a text with preserved HTML structure and a lot of graphics can be a chore in
MS Word wen you solely rely on a screenreader sometimes.

Kind regards,

Bianka




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Re: NVDA on tablet with touchscreen only

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi ☺
I have the surface go. You can definitely use NVDA with just the touchscreen. However, in my personal experience I find the keyboard works better for me. I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have in regards to NVDA and touchscreens.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Mehler
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 8:44 AM
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA on tablet with touchscreen only

Hello,

Reposting this, not sure if it ever went through, I've not heard anything back on it.

I remember a while back I think there was a podcast on NVDA and tablet-interactions with touchscreens only. I'm going to be going on a trip taking a tablet only. It does not have nor do I want to bring an external bluetooth keyboard. I am wondering if anyone knows where that podcast is on tablets. This is a surface pro something, it is running win10.

Thanks.
Dave.
Re: Firefox options

Henk Mulder
 

If you open the options you are in the search field. Press shift+tab 3 times to get in a list with the tabs that you mention. Select the tab you want using the arrow keys and use tab to navigate through the options.

Best,
Henk

On 10/3/2019 5:31 PM, Don H wrote:
Running Win 10 1903, NVDA 2019.2.1 and latest firefox.
If you go to the options menu which is under the tools tab you get a screen with what I guess is tabs for General, Home, Search, Privacy and security and sync.  These are on the left side of the screen.  On the right side of the screen are the various settings for each of the tabs on the left side of the screen.
NVDA reads the right side of the screen but will not allow you to get to the different tabs on the left side of the screen.  How do you get to the options on the left side of the screen?
Thanks
Re: Copying Formatted Text from a Webpage into Word

Brian Vogel
 

See the topic:  Question About Copying Text, where this very thing has been under discussion for some days now, up through last night.  Unless you have deleted them, the entire topic should still be in your inbox somewhere if you're receiving all messages from the group.

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Copying Formatted Text from a Webpage into Word

kelby carlson
 

All,

I want to copy some text from a webpage into Word while retaining the
format of the text on the webpage. NVDA can retain formatting just
fine when copying from one Word document to another, but when copying
to a webpage it will only paste the plain text no matter what I do. Is
this an NVDA issue or does it have something to do with Word? I do not
have any special ad-ons for the clipboard installed except for Clip
Speak.

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Re: NVDA and reading texts in Grade II

David Csercsics
 

Have you had a look at the Braille Extender add-on? It probably does most of what you want. I know you can switch tables with a hotkey, because I do it frequently since UEB is useless for a lot of things, including coding. It's a pity liblouis doesn't properly support nemeth for math books and equations. I'm not sure how best to handle that but play with the braille extender add-on and see if that can do what you'd like. If not then we can figure something else out.