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Re: addon updater

David Ouimet
 

Yes, I should of put developersJoseph.  

 

From: Gene
Sent: February 16, 2020 9:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] addon updater

 

When you are on the item, open the context menu.  You should see something like show in containing folder.  Pressing enter on that item should open the folder and it may place you on the file itself.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: cecropia64

Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 10:24 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] addon updater

 

using latest firefox.  shows in my update history but not where it is
stored.  my default is downloads but it isn't there

On 2/16/2020 11:21 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
> Hi,
> Which browser are you using to download the add-on? If using Firefox (and possibly Chrome family), try pressing Control+J to access downloads and see if it shows up.
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of cecropia64
> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 6:35 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] addon updater
>
> okay Joseph.  here is a question i don't know if you can answer or not. i downloaded the addon updater but it is not in my downloads folder.  i got the confirmation it downloaded but i have no idea as to where.  any suggestions?
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> stew
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Re: addon updater

Gene
 

When you are on the item, open the context menu.  You should see something like show in containing folder.  Pressing enter on that item should open the folder and it may place you on the file itself.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: cecropia64
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] addon updater

using latest firefox.  shows in my update history but not where it is
stored.  my default is downloads but it isn't there

On 2/16/2020 11:21 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
> Hi,
> Which browser are you using to download the add-on? If using Firefox (and possibly Chrome family), try pressing Control+J to access downloads and see if it shows up.
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of cecropia64
> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 6:35 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] addon updater
>
> okay Joseph.  here is a question i don't know if you can answer or not. i downloaded the addon updater but it is not in my downloads folder.  i got the confirmation it downloaded but i have no idea as to where.  any suggestions?
>
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> stew
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Re: my configuration is almost complete with 2019.3

Gene
 

I don't have an installed version so I have to use the Manage add-ons option in NVDA.  I'm very curious about what I asked before, how Windows knows what version to install to, the portable or installed version if you press enter. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] my configuration is almost complete with 2019.3

Well, I guess I didn't know better, but I install add-ons to a portable version in the same way as with an installed version. I just press ENTER on the .nvda-addon and it installs to the running version. Updating add-ons works the same way for me.

On 2/16/2020 8:10 PM, Gene wrote:
As far as I know, to install an add-on in a portable version, you can't just press enter on it.  The whole point of a portable program is to run and not make any changes to the system it is running on.  If it told Windows to install add-ons with the extension used, that would be making a change in the registry. 
I'm quite sure that you must use Manage Add-ons in the tools submenu of NVDA when installing to a portable version.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] my configuration is almost complete with 2019.3

Yes, of course...


If you have an installed version of NVDA, even running a portable
version of NVDA, pressing enter in a *.nvda-addon file, the add-on will
be installed in the portable version.


If you do not have any NVDA version installed, to install a add-on, go
to add-on manager, go to install button and choose the add-on you want
to install...


Rui Fontes


Às 18:26 de 16/02/2020, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:
> Hi.
> I made two portable versions of NVDA . . . Is there a way to install some of my add-ons on to the portable versions?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 4:34 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] my configuration is almost complete with 2019.3
>
> Hi all.
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> Well except for the interactive fiction interpreters addon from n stockton which I have given up on ever getting updated, nvda is in of itself working.
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> I have made a portable version of nvda 2019.2.1 which has, just the addons I need, no win10 apps, no extras just the configurations I want and such.
>
> I suggest for those that need older addons they just use nvda with the addons that don't update or are not updated or will never update from now on.
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> All I will use this version for is to play text games, its not ever going to update itself at all.
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Re: my configuration is almost complete with 2019.3

Gene
 

But how does Windows know which program to install the add-on in if you press enter on it the portable or installed version?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] my configuration is almost complete with 2019.3

Hi,

Actually, one can install add-ons into portable NVDA version provided that an installed copy already exists.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 6:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] my configuration is almost complete with 2019.3

 

As far as I know, to install an add-on in a portable version, you can't just press enter on it.  The whole point of a portable program is to run and not make any changes to the system it is running on.  If it told Windows to install add-ons with the extension used, that would be making a change in the registry. 

I'm quite sure that you must use Manage Add-ons in the tools submenu of NVDA when installing to a portable version.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rui Fontes

Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 12:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] my configuration is almost complete with 2019.3

 

Yes, of course...


If you have an installed version of NVDA, even running a portable
version of NVDA, pressing enter in a *.nvda-addon file, the add-on will
be installed in the portable version.


If you do not have any NVDA version installed, to install a add-on, go
to add-on manager, go to install button and choose the add-on you want
to install...


Rui Fontes


Às 18:26 de 16/02/2020, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:
> Hi.
> I made two portable versions of NVDA . . . Is there a way to install some of my add-ons on to the portable versions?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 4:34 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] my configuration is almost complete with 2019.3
>
> Hi all.
>
> Well except for the interactive fiction interpreters addon from n stockton which I have given up on ever getting updated, nvda is in of itself working.
>
> I have made a portable version of nvda 2019.2.1 which has, just the addons I need, no win10 apps, no extras just the configurations I want and such.
>
> I suggest for those that need older addons they just use nvda with the addons that don't update or are not updated or will never update from now on.
>
> All I will use this version for is to play text games, its not ever going to update itself at all.
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Re: New Member Seeking Tutorials

Gene
 

Depending on how much you know about working with Windows and Windows programs and browsing, you may only need specific information such as how to use object navigation, and screen review.  The quick navigation keys for browsing will be very similar between JAWS and NVDA and my impression is that Window-eyes used roughly the same commands toward the end of its versions.
 
I can't suggest specific tutorials but that may help you know what to look for. 
 
 
If you need more instruction, others can suggest a lot of material.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Aravind R
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Member Seeking Tutorials

first of all, understand basic NVDA features with the tutorial
available in NVDA help menu.

On 17/02/2020, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
> Hi Richard
>
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> If you want both written and audio tutorials for the nvda screen reader
> you can check out my website at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
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> the link is to the main page you see. It covers blindness related
> material along with nvda tutorials.
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> If you pick one off the main page for nvda it will link to the internal
> website where the nvda tutorials are all in one table if you get what I
> mean.
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> it will also point you in the right directions for a lot of stuff plus
> you can also buy training material from nvaccess shop for outlook, word,
> exce, nvda and a power point one is coming.
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> Hope it helps.
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> By the way the nvda tutorials covers a few of the features from before
> to now of the latest release.
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> Gene nz
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> On 17/02/2020 11:16 am, Richard Fiorello wrote:
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>> Hello;
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>> I am a new user and just subscribed to this list.  I wonder if one can
>> obtain a daily digest of messages to this list?  Also I’m looking for
>> a good comprehensive tutorisl.  I’ve seen lots of youtube posts that
>> briefly cover one or two features of the program but nothing that I
>> felt was very comprehensive.  I wonder if anyone has any suggestions?
>>
>> Richard
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Stephen
 

Hi.
Not sure if this is a bug in the version of firefox I'm using, or an issue with Arkose Labs
if I go to https://www.arkoselabs.com/technology/#ArkoseEnforce
Then elect to get an audio challenge, then I attempt to type what I hear and click verify, I am not able to solve the puzzle.
It gives me a cryptic error message about audio challenge requires some extra steps.
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Thanks.
Re: addon updater

cecropia64
 

Joseph:


found it and got it installed.  thanks for the help.


stew

On 2/16/2020 11:24 PM, stewart wrote:
using latest firefox.  shows in my update history but not where it is stored.  my default is downloads but it isn't there

On 2/16/2020 11:21 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Which browser are you using to download the add-on? If using Firefox (and possibly Chrome family), try pressing Control+J to access downloads and see if it shows up.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of cecropia64
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 6:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] addon updater

okay Joseph.  here is a question i don't know if you can answer or not. i downloaded the addon updater but it is not in my downloads folder.  i got the confirmation it downloaded but i have no idea as to where.  any suggestions?


stew
Re: addon updater

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,
Hmmm, okay. Try using Edge or Chrome family browser (which does include Edge 80 stable and later) and see if you can locate the download.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of cecropia64
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 8:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] addon updater

using latest firefox. shows in my update history but not where it is stored. my default is downloads but it isn't there

On 2/16/2020 11:21 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Which browser are you using to download the add-on? If using Firefox (and possibly Chrome family), try pressing Control+J to access downloads and see if it shows up.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
cecropia64
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 6:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] addon updater

okay Joseph. here is a question i don't know if you can answer or not. i downloaded the addon updater but it is not in my downloads folder. i got the confirmation it downloaded but i have no idea as to where. any suggestions?


stew
Re: addon updater

cecropia64
 

using latest firefox.  shows in my update history but not where it is stored.  my default is downloads but it isn't there

On 2/16/2020 11:21 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Which browser are you using to download the add-on? If using Firefox (and possibly Chrome family), try pressing Control+J to access downloads and see if it shows up.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of cecropia64
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 6:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] addon updater

okay Joseph. here is a question i don't know if you can answer or not. i downloaded the addon updater but it is not in my downloads folder. i got the confirmation it downloaded but i have no idea as to where. any suggestions?


stew
Re: Question for NVDA Compiler Team?

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

Compiler team, you say – I think you meant developers. If so, I think it will depend on market conditions and user demand in the future.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Ouimet
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 7:34 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Question for NVDA Compiler Team?

 

Hi, I wanted to ask the ones on the NVDA compiler team this. I was thinking of using NVDA exclusively, well would use narrator as well too.  Do you see NVDA bein used for the long range future, Like LibreOffice has been? I know its been around since 2006, so that is a pretty good track record. I hope so!

 

Thanks, David

 
Re: addon updater

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,
Which browser are you using to download the add-on? If using Firefox (and possibly Chrome family), try pressing Control+J to access downloads and see if it shows up.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of cecropia64
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 6:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] addon updater

okay Joseph. here is a question i don't know if you can answer or not. i downloaded the addon updater but it is not in my downloads folder. i got the confirmation it downloaded but i have no idea as to where. any suggestions?


stew
Question for NVDA Compiler Team?

David Ouimet
 

Hi, I wanted to ask the ones on the NVDA compiler team this. I was thinking of using NVDA exclusively, well would use narrator as well too.  Do you see NVDA bein used for the long range future, Like LibreOffice has been? I know its been around since 2006, so that is a pretty good track record. I hope so!

 

Thanks, David

 
Re: Continuing my saga with Vocalizer voices with latest NVDA

Gerardo Corripio
 

And the new :Spanish/Portuguese package? To try with ghose, hoping finally, a miracle will happen! 

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 16 feb 2020, a la(s) 5:53 p.m., Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> escribió:



The add-on on the site is corrected.


Maybe for you the site is not yet refreshed, so, please, doenload it from:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/31s8d7wrirxoksq/vocalizer-voice-english-Compact.nvda-addon?dl=1


Best regards,

 

Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.



Às 23:42 de 16/02/2020, Gerardo Corripio escreveu:

                NO luck, even with the new voices packages installed.
Here’s my log

INFO - __main__ (17:41:07.359) - MainThread (936):

Starting NVDA version 2019.3.1

INFO - core.main (17:41:07.644) - MainThread (936):

Config dir: C:\Users\gerac\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (17:41:07.645) - MainThread (936):

Loading config: C:\Users\gerac\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (17:41:07.810) - MainThread (936):

Using Windows version 10.0.18363 workstation

INFO - core.main (17:41:07.810) - MainThread (936):

Using Python version 3.7.5 (tags/v3.7.5:5c02a39a0b, Oct 14 2019, 23:09:19) [MSC v.1916 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (17:41:07.810) - MainThread (936):

Using comtypes version 1.1.7

INFO - core.main (17:41:07.810) - MainThread (936):

Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1

WARNING - addonHandler._report_manifest_errors (17:41:07.878) - MainThread (936):

Error loading manifest:

{'name': True, 'summary': VdtTypeError('the value "[\'Nuance Vocalizer Expressive - english Compact Voices (Australia\', \'British\', \'Irish\', \'Scotish\', \'South African and United States)\']" is of the wrong type.'), 'description': True, 'author': True, 'version': True, 'minimumNVDAVersion': True, 'lastTestedNVDAVersion': True, 'url': True, 'docFileName': True}

ERROR - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (17:41:07.878) - MainThread (936):

Error loading Addon from path: C:\Users\gerac\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive-voice-english Compact

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "addonHandler\__init__.pyc", line 195, in _getAvailableAddonsFromPath

  File "addonHandler\__init__.pyc", line 297, in __init__

addonHandler.AddonError: Manifest file has errors.

WARNING - addonHandler._report_manifest_errors (17:41:07.884) - MainThread (936):

Error loading manifest:

{'name': True, 'summary': VdtTypeError('the value "[\'Nuance Vocalizer Expressive - Portuguese and Spanish Compact Voices (Argentina\', \'Basque\', \'Brazil\', \'Cataluna\', \'Colombia\', \'Galician\', \'Mexico\', \'Portugal and Spain)\']" is of the wrong type.'), 'description': True, 'author': True, 'version': True, 'minimumNVDAVersion': True, 'lastTestedNVDAVersion': True, 'url': True, 'docFileName': True}

ERROR - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (17:41:07.884) - MainThread (936):

Error loading Addon from path: C:\Users\gerac\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive-voice-portugueseAndSpanish Compact Voices

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "addonHandler\__init__.pyc", line 195, in _getAvailableAddonsFromPath

  File "addonHandler\__init__.pyc", line 297, in __init__

addonHandler.AddonError: Manifest file has errors.

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (17:41:08.708) - MainThread (936):

Loaded synthDriver ibmeci

INFO - core.main (17:41:08.708) - MainThread (936):

Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 with six version 1.12.0

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (17:41:08.711) - MainThread (936):

Braille input initialized

INFO - braille.initialize (17:41:08.714) - MainThread (936):

Using liblouis version 3.10.0

INFO - braille.initialize (17:41:08.720) - MainThread (936):

Using pySerial version 3.4

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (17:41:08.730) - MainThread (936):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

INFO - core.main (17:41:09.080) - MainThread (936):

Java Access Bridge support initialized

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (17:41:09.102) - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThread (7140):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6

INFO - core.main (17:41:12.285) - MainThread (936):

NVDA initialized

 

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Rui Fontes
Enviado: domingo, 16 de febrero de 2020 12:36 p. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] Continuing my saga with Vocalizer voices with latest NVDA

 

As I said, the driver is not yet published since it is not yet 100% ready...

 

Did you tried with the new voices add-on?

 

Best regards,

 

Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.

 

Às 02:37 de 16/02/2020, Gerardo Corripio escreveu:

Do I have the right page? Because when I go to https://vocalizer-nvda.com/downloads I still see that the driver is version 3.0.14.

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Rui Fontes
Enviado: sábado, 15 de febrero de 2020 06:49 p. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] Continuing my saga with Vocalizer voices with latest NVDA

 

Hello!

 

All voices add-ons were corrected and already uploaded to the site...

So, this problem with lake of quotation marks should be over now...

 

Best regards,

 

Costumer support

Tiflotecnia, Lda.

 

 

Às 19:24 de 15/02/2020, Gerardo Corripio escreveu:

I sent an Email previously about my continuing saga with the Tiflotecnia Vocalizer voices; sorry for the bother on this subject... Here’s my log,hoping I can finally know what’s going on with the Vocalizer voices not wanting to cooperate on my system?

INFO - __main__ (13:18:39.261) - MainThread (6168):

Starting NVDA version 2019.3.1

INFO - core.main (13:18:39.545) - MainThread (6168):

Config dir: C:\Users\gerac\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (13:18:39.546) - MainThread (6168):

Loading config: C:\Users\gerac\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (13:18:39.748) - MainThread (6168):

Using Windows version 10.0.18363 workstation

INFO - core.main (13:18:39.749) - MainThread (6168):

Using Python version 3.7.5 (tags/v3.7.5:5c02a39a0b, Oct 14 2019, 23:09:19) [MSC v.1916 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (13:18:39.749) - MainThread (6168):

Using comtypes version 1.1.7

INFO - core.main (13:18:39.749) - MainThread (6168):

Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1

WARNING - addonHandler._report_manifest_errors (13:18:39.839) - MainThread (6168):

Error loading manifest:

{'name': True, 'summary': VdtTypeError('the value "[\'Nuance Vocalizer Expressive - english Compact Voices (Australia\', \'British\', \'Irish\', \'Scotish\', \'South African and United States)\']" is of the wrong type.'), 'description': True, 'author': True, 'version': True, 'minimumNVDAVersion': True, 'lastTestedNVDAVersion': True, 'url': True, 'docFileName': True}

ERROR - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (13:18:39.839) - MainThread (6168):

Error loading Addon from path: C:\Users\gerac\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive-voice-english Compact

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "addonHandler\__init__.pyc", line 195, in _getAvailableAddonsFromPath

  File "addonHandler\__init__.pyc", line 297, in __init__

addonHandler.AddonError: Manifest file has errors.

WARNING - addonHandler._report_manifest_errors (13:18:39.846) - MainThread (6168):

Error loading manifest:

{'name': True, 'summary': VdtTypeError('the value "[\'Nuance Vocalizer Expressive - Portuguese and Spanish Compact Voices (Argentina\', \'Basque\', \'Brazil\', \'Cataluna\', \'Colombia\', \'Galician\', \'Mexico\', \'Portugal and Spain)\']" is of the wrong type.'), 'description': True, 'author': True, 'version': True, 'minimumNVDAVersion': True, 'lastTestedNVDAVersion': True, 'url': True, 'docFileName': True}

ERROR - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (13:18:39.846) - MainThread (6168):

Error loading Addon from path: C:\Users\gerac\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive-voice-portugueseAndSpanish Compact Voices

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "addonHandler\__init__.pyc", line 195, in _getAvailableAddonsFromPath

  File "addonHandler\__init__.pyc", line 297, in __init__

addonHandler.AddonError: Manifest file has errors.

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (13:18:40.671) - MainThread (6168):

Loaded synthDriver ibmeci

INFO - core.main (13:18:40.671) - MainThread (6168):

Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 with six version 1.12.0

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (13:18:40.673) - MainThread (6168):

Braille input initialized

INFO - braille.initialize (13:18:40.676) - MainThread (6168):

Using liblouis version 3.10.0

INFO - braille.initialize (13:18:40.682) - MainThread (6168):

Using pySerial version 3.4

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (13:18:40.690) - MainThread (6168):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

INFO - core.main (13:18:41.049) - MainThread (6168):

Java Access Bridge support initialized

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (13:18:41.074) - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThread (8868):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6

INFO - core.main (13:18:44.196) - MainThread (6168):

NVDA initialized

WARNING - external:synthDrivers.vocalizer_expressive.storage._loadLicenseData (13:19:10.401) - MainThread (6168):

Couldn't automatically unpickle 'C:\\Users\\gerac\\AppData\\Roaming\\vocalizer-for-nvda\\activation.dat', trying manual method

 

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Re: my configuration is almost complete with 2019.3

Richard Wells
 

Well, I guess I didn't know better, but I install add-ons to a portable version in the same way as with an installed version. I just press ENTER on the .nvda-addon and it installs to the running version. Updating add-ons works the same way for me.

On 2/16/2020 8:10 PM, Gene wrote:
As far as I know, to install an add-on in a portable version, you can't just press enter on it.  The whole point of a portable program is to run and not make any changes to the system it is running on.  If it told Windows to install add-ons with the extension used, that would be making a change in the registry. 
I'm quite sure that you must use Manage Add-ons in the tools submenu of NVDA when installing to a portable version.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] my configuration is almost complete with 2019.3

Yes, of course...


If you have an installed version of NVDA, even running a portable
version of NVDA, pressing enter in a *.nvda-addon file, the add-on will
be installed in the portable version.


If you do not have any NVDA version installed, to install a add-on, go
to add-on manager, go to install button and choose the add-on you want
to install...


Rui Fontes


Às 18:26 de 16/02/2020, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:
> Hi.
> I made two portable versions of NVDA . . . Is there a way to install some of my add-ons on to the portable versions?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 4:34 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] my configuration is almost complete with 2019.3
>
> Hi all.
>
> Well except for the interactive fiction interpreters addon from n stockton which I have given up on ever getting updated, nvda is in of itself working.
>
> I have made a portable version of nvda 2019.2.1 which has, just the addons I need, no win10 apps, no extras just the configurations I want and such.
>
> I suggest for those that need older addons they just use nvda with the addons that don't update or are not updated or will never update from now on.
>
> All I will use this version for is to play text games, its not ever going to update itself at all.
>
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Re: Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Peter Chin
 

Could you please give us the link to Carlos’s Windows PE?
 

Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan
 

Hi,

 

Look at Windows PE.  This does work and I have one which is a portable version of Windows on a memory stick with various tools to repair computers, etc.

 

The late Carlos produced these.

 

Thanks.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of coffeekingms@...
Sent: 08 February 2020 02:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

 

Hi

I want to weigh in hear, a bit. I’m no security expert, at all, but I see a couple of possible options hear. Are there any compatible ISO images that can be put on a USB flash drive, windows and Linux, that can be used to scan a drive, backup drives, etc for malware and remove any that is found? Since we’re talking about exclusions, a way to exclude false positives, and remove the negatives? I know virus detection is complicated, and I don’t presume to have a perfect solution, but it’s an option. Have whatever security software you like, whichever works, but have a backup, that is separate from your computer, so if gets infected by something nasty, you can boot something self contained to work with. The images would have to be accessible out of the box, without any setup needed, and I’m not sure anything exists. I know for Linux there’s kali, bt I believe that’s for penetration testing and the like. If not, I’d be happy to try to put something together, if anyone is interested. Again, I’m not an expert, and I’m not even sure how to do this but I’d be willing to try. I’m not sure about the windows licensing and such, so it might not be possible to put a windows based one together, but Linux is another story. I’m not advocating Linux, but … oh hell. I don’t want to start a flame war. Another option is to have backup software on a flash drive that can run from a flash drive, but you’d need a functioning system to run it.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

 

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From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 3:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

 

Using no security at all is dumb and stupid.

You should always have some of it.

A false negative means you get a virus and loose stuff.

Thats happened to one of my cousins ironically because he forgot to
update his norton subscription and he lost a lot of stuff, he had to
reformat to make the problem go away.

He couldn't do that himself and had to take the pc to somewhere to get
it fixed, it cost him a lot of cash.

While I am not against using security software in general I am
dissapointed and disheartened at the reasonable amount of noise in the
scans.

I know what the false positives are and what they are but unless I make
exclude lists for my software things will just get destroyed by the
software, don't use it and its worse.

But it depends what you do.

If you just use windows store apps, email via google, etc, chances are
you will be probably fine especially if everything is done in the cloud
as there is some protection there but its not perfect.


I wouldn't go about bragging you do not use security software as it is
very dangerous.

At the same time, it does concern me that every update of the so called
databases there is a chance that something else will be added to my
noisy scan data.

This means I need to lower my security by excluding things.

I do not at any way shape or form feel good about this but what else can
I do.

And I far better be complaining about false alarms than getting a virus,
I just wish things would get easier.

Something changed in the year 2003 which started us down the road of the
security nightmare we are on now.

At first, a few programs, but by 2007 we were seeing noisier and noisier
data and by 2012 it was really bad.

Since 2015 its plattoed at a point not going up or down which I guess is
good, however I'd like it to go back to normal.

I shouldn't get any message from my security software unless I have a
virus and can decide on the action.

Instead I get told I have a virus which is either something new, old or
that has been working before.

Instead of running malwarebytes which I no longer have installed on any
of my systems and full scanns of windows security or others, I don't
scan at all bar a quick scan or so which is done automatically.

Back in the day I would regular do this.

But now my system is infested with a lot of viruses and I know that all
of them are false positives and they never change so I don't upgrade or
anything.

Well I don't use a thirdparty scanner, put it that way.

I started with sophos but it made sure to make all the viruses go away
screwing up my system.

It took me a great deal to reinstall windows from scratch and get
everything back.

The meaning of security software is to at least be a guide to security.

I am more insecure with security software so I have to force it to behave.

At the same time I wouldn't go without it.

All those ransomware attacks, botnets and malwarebreaches are worse than
any false positive.

Yet I really wish they would stop.

I manage a blog and a server on wordpress and do use security software.

And I havn't lost anything that wasn't supposed to be a problem, all my
files are there, no problem.

Yet in user computers companies think they can just do what they want.






On 8/02/2020 10:05 pm, zahra wrote:
> false positive and false negative, are two of the main factors that i
> never trust and never use security programs, antivirus, antimalware,
> etc.
> not sure about firewalls, but i never used and i am not familiar with
> there method and the level of there reliability.
> in the previous weeks, maybe in the first days of new year, i sent an
> ofline email for you,
> but unfortunately i did not recieve your reply and i am waiting for your answer!
> God bless you and thanks so much for your helpful replies as always.
>
> On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>> Just about every antimalware program has this false positive.
>>
>> Kaspersky and a few others are supposed to be better.
>>
>> Anyway what I actually said was that these programs at least some of
>> them detect more false than well who knows.
>>
>> I have never got a virus in the last 10 years but I have got a lot of
>> false alarms.
>>
>> Not sure about win8 etc, but yes you can exclude stuff you know is not a
>> problem.
>>
>> It would be good actually if you excluded the file you could report all
>> your excluded files to the maker like microsoft and for each you could
>> state what it was, etc and maybe get support on it.
>>
>> The issue I have and maybe others, is that while some of the stuff we
>> know about, I spend more time stopping false alarms than actual viruses.
>>
>> I am not sure if thats a good or bad thing but its certainly stopped me
>> from getting any serious security software.
>>
>> If windows defender and malwarebytes cause this much trouble with a
>> false positive, then I really don't want to know what a really good
>> antivirus will say.
>>
>> But basically everything on your system is a potential virus depending
>> on the detections and stuff used.
>>
>> And with the cloud based ai, I doubt that at the automated level there
>> is much control.
>>
>> If you tell them they will fix the issue but there is no reason to think
>> it will stay fixed.
>>
>> As a result all the false alarms make the display of the software noisy.
>>
>> As I said, right now I have so many security holes in my computer caused
>> by so many folder excludes that if it wasn't for ransomware, I have half
>> a mind to exclude my entire hard drive or even disable the windows
>> security subsystem.
>>
>> However there is always the if factor so I don't.
>>
>> I havn't run any full system scans in the last 10 years, and I havn't
>> run any malware software in the last 5 years simply because of this issue.
>>
>> With the so called inteligent stuff about bgt and maybe some older
>> software excluded, it seems that every software package needs a security
>> certification id or something and while it would be nice to get one, I
>> do wander if I could get one myself for the purpose that the software I
>> have is not a problem or something.
>>
>> I know some say I am just unlucky, but on all my other systems with out
>> blind games, blind software and blind accessible programs there are no
>> trogens at all and that in itself is a concern, no excludes on any of my
>> other systems yet.
>>
>> Maybe I may exclude nvda just because I am concerned but still, maybe I
>> have over excluded because of all this going on.
>>
>>
>> On 8/02/2020 7:18 pm, zahra wrote:
>>> Shaun,
>>> did i understand it correctly?
>>> i think that antivirus programs especially microsoft products,
>>> scan the entire system and maybe remove our necessary and important
>>> files even maybe nvda or even other files including html, docx, audio
>>> and video files?
>>> i remember that in one of the iranian websites,
>>> someone recorded a tutorial which explained how to exclude our desired
>>> folders from scanning by deffender.
>>> his tutorial was for windows ten.
>>> does windows deffender on windows 8 and 8.1 does the same things, and
>>> it may removes our essential and important files without worning or
>>> informing us about this matter?
>>>
>>> On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>>>> Yeah some of that software uses autoit and that is known to make
>>>> viruses.
>>>>
>>>> At any rate its clunkey and slow as a language so I wouldn't bother
>>>> using programs written in it but you should be able to exclude things.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah when microsoft security etc cleans things it turns user account
>>>> control on at 33% by default.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/02/2020 3:41 am, Ron Canazzi wrote:
>>>>> Hi Quenton,
>>>>>
>>>>> In addition, I always have Defender set to update to the latest
>>>>> version.  I have had odd issues with it in the past.  If you are
>>>>> familiar with Steve's Clock, Defender flagged that consistently. Even
>>>>> after I allowed it under Defender settings, every time Windows
>>>>> updates, it flags it again.  I had to go into the settings and
>>>>> manually exempt the Steve's clock folder from Defender scans. Even
>>>>> then, it always brings up User Account Control when I run it.  It
>>>>> never comes up in start up--even though I have it set to run at start
>>>>> up.  I have reported this to both the program developer and Microsoft
>>>>> with no change.  I  am glad that this isn't happening with NVDA on my
>>>>> system.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/7/2020 1:00 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>>>>>> I believe this only affects Windows 10 at this stage?  Perhaps
>>>>>> Rosemarie and Ron are using Windows 7?  Or their Defender hasn't
>>>>>> updated to the latest definitions maybe?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...
>>>>>> <mailto:aa2vm@...>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       Hi Group,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       I also do not have this issue with RC3.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       On 2/7/2020 12:28 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>>>       Hi, Quentin,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       I'm not having this problem on my system. I'm using espeak but I
>>>>>>>       wonder if I should use something else just to be on the safe
>>>>>>> side.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Rosemarie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>       [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin Christensen
>>>>>>>       *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:14 PM
>>>>>>>       *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>       *Subject:* [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Hi folks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       It was NVDARemote the other week, now it seems it's our turn for
>>>>>>>       Microsoft's random unfounded accusations.  If you try to install
>>>>>>>       the release candidate of NVDA 2019.3, Windows Defender will
>>>>>>>       alert you it has found a trojan in eSpeak NG and blocked it.
>>>>>>>       The install of NVDA will fail.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       As a workaround for now, you can create a portable copy of the
>>>>>>>       RC and that should run fine.  You won't be able to use eSpeak
>>>>>>> NG.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       NVDA 2019.2.1 installs and runs fine, even using eSpeak NG (it
>>>>>>>       uses a different build of eSpeak NG).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       I am not sure whether this affects Windows 7 users as well.  I
>>>>>>>       have reported it to Microsoft but I would encourage everyone
>>>>>>>       else to as well.  To be honest, even aside from it being our
>>>>>>>       program affected, this really annoys me.  Defender has NOT found
>>>>>>>       a trojan in eSpeak, its heuristic (machine learning) has guessed
>>>>>>>       that it looks a bit suspicious and flagged it - Ok that happens,
>>>>>>>       but say that, don't say absolutely that a known malicious
>>>>>>>       software has been found.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       It took a day or so to fix Defender's virus list and have
>>>>>>>       NVDARemote cleared, so I expect it will probably be within about
>>>>>>>       the same timeline this time around. Apologies for the
>>>>>>> inconvenience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Quentin Christensen
>>>>>>>       Training and Support Manager
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>>>>>>       Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>       --
>>>>>>       They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>>>>>>       They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>>>>>>       I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Quentin Christensen
>>>>>> Training and Support Manager
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
>>>>>> https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
>>>>>> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>>> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
>>>>>> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
>>>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>>>>> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>>>>> --
>>>>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>>>>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>>>>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

 
addon updater

cecropia64
 

okay Joseph.  here is a question i don't know if you can answer or not.  i downloaded the addon updater but it is not in my downloads folder.  i got the confirmation it downloaded but i have no idea as to where.  any suggestions?


stew
the edward voice

Bobby Vinton
 

Hay I was wondering if if you could please bring back the Edward voice to nvda?  I love it so much and I am very sad that speech player and espeek is gone.  I have requested this 4 months ago and nothing was done.  So could you please add the Edward voice in nvda it self?
Re: addons updater

cecropia64
 

okay, thanks Joseph.  appreciate it.

On 2/16/2020 9:25 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Yes. The next one is scheduled for early March - specifically, on March 10, exactly 30 days after release of NVDA 2019.3, as I announced to the community a few weeks ago.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of cecropia64
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] addons updater

joseph:


when the new version comes out will there be some kind of announcement?


stew

On 2/16/2020 9:16 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Go to addons.nvda-project.org and select Add-on Updater. The add-on is compatible with both 2019.2.1 and 2019.3.1... but not for long, as an upcoming version of this add-on will drop support for old NVDA release.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
cecropia64
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 6:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] addons updater

hi:


where can i get the new version of add ons updater for the new version
of nvda? thanks


stew
Re: addons updater

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,
Yes. The next one is scheduled for early March - specifically, on March 10, exactly 30 days after release of NVDA 2019.3, as I announced to the community a few weeks ago.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of cecropia64
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] addons updater

joseph:


when the new version comes out will there be some kind of announcement?


stew

On 2/16/2020 9:16 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Go to addons.nvda-project.org and select Add-on Updater. The add-on is compatible with both 2019.2.1 and 2019.3.1... but not for long, as an upcoming version of this add-on will drop support for old NVDA release.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
cecropia64
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 6:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] addons updater

hi:


where can i get the new version of add ons updater for the new version
of nvda? thanks


stew
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