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Re: Thunderbird announcing 0 in the message list before subject line

 

If you're not using the keyboard, of which the number pad is a part, for object navigation then I don't know what you are using.

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Re: Thunderbird announcing 0 in the message list before subject line

Gene
 

That isn't the definition of accessible. It is useable but accessible, in its general use means accessible from the keyboard.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2020 12:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird announcing 0 in the message list before subject line

On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 12:48 PM, Gene wrote:
I know no other way than to use object navigation to move to and activate a button that brings up an accessible menu. And since object navigation is an accepted, if underused, part of screen readers (JAWS calls it the touch cursor if memory serves, but I may be wrong) that means it's accessible.

Even I am guilty of not using object navigation as frequently as I should when I find something isn't accessible via straight "tab traversal" or other shortcut methods. But if it's accessible via object navigation and can be interacted with, it's accessible. It's right back to both "tool to task" and adding new techniques to one's standard arsenal.

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Re: OCR

Cristóbal
 

Another thing to try is the KNFBReader Windows 10 app.
I can't recall the last time I really used the full Kurzweil 1000 version on my computer, but still use the KNFBReader app from time to time.
In general though, I hardly use a third party software for OCR on my computers at this point because most of that I now do with my iPhone if it's an actual sheet of paper and I'm also a Jaws user mainly. Their built in OCR feature has gotten really good and is good enough for the odd document or image.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

Thanks, Rui,

Well, that is my experience too! As others have said, the whole OCR crisis has faded considerably since about ten years ago when Kurtzweil was all the rage and, indeed, was the most accessible. I think the benefit of the good OCR engines was that they included an accessible means of editing the results so that any OCR errors could be quickly cleaned up.

Nowadays, I use the Canon commercial scanner tool which simply delivers an image from the scanner into my chosen location in "My Documents". I then use the application menu to pass the image through FineReader in batch mode into Word and I have all the functionality of Word to make any changes that are needed. These steps were not so easily available in the past. This is why I find I can live with the inaccessibility of the FineReader application.

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 5:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

Hello!


Firstly, I didn't said that FineReader was fully accessible!

I just asked what was the problem with the accessibility of the menus...


Regarding the Editor window it is somehow accessible, but it is a strange window...

I have tried with a document, recognized almost completely correct to TXT format, but with errors on the Editor window... And trying to correct in that window is not possible...

By instance, in the Editor appears M RIA instead of MARIA, and I was unable to correct it...


After the recognition, press Control Tab and then Shift Control Tab...
Maybe not the first time, but you will land in a edit area...


Rui Fontes



Às 16:40 de 06/09/2020, Cearbhall O'Meadhra escreveu:
Hi, Rui,

I am using FineReader 11 because I recognised its value as an OCR machine. The menus are perfectly accessible. However I cannot browse the document resulting from OCR nor can I make any edits to the document. The editor does not seem to be accessible. As you do find this program to be fully accessible, could you suggest how I might use the editor and view my pages in FineReader with NVDA?


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e:
cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui
Fontes
Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 12:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

What accessibility problems with FineReader menus?

I am using FineReader 14, and I have already installed FineReader 15 for costummers, and didn't notice any accessibility problems with the menus...


Rui Fontes


Às 08:29 de 06/09/2020, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Well there are accessibility issues with the menus on abbyy.

Yeah textcloner pro uses the iris engine.

I only need ocr for the occasional bill or other typed document.

I have knfb reader for some other stuff, and for the rest if
balabolka or codex can't read it then they are probably not worth my time.

I do hope that they do get this fixed.

I have not invested in omnipage as such but still.

Even though I emailed finereader support well abbyy support about
this issue with menus and delays in nvda, it appears that they never fixed it.

It took ages till I even got an update and then I asked support about
my access fixes only to be told they were not completed.

You'd think they would actually, 1. give a higher priority to get
those fixed and also update sooner.

In sort I really want a program that is reliable and has good support.

As for omnipage, its not even owned by nuance.

Aparently the best abbyy version is v12 but while yes I have my
registration code I no longer have links that work for old abbyy 12.



On 6/09/2020 7:19 pm, Gene wrote:
Why are you disappointed? Also, unless this has changed, Text
Cloner didn't use as good OCR engines. It had two major selling
points, one that it is a very simple program and very easy to use,
and two, that it is inexpensive. In today's environment, I'm not
sure either carachteristic matters much any more and if the program
is still more simple, it may not be worth giving up the added
accuracy of products like Fine Reader and Omnipage. Those are
questions those who use newer versions of these programs will have
to discuss to get current information because things can change so much and so fast in programs.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2020 9:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR






Well good I brought text cloner when I did then.

Its not been updated since 2011 but yeah, at least I have textcloner
now.

I am quite disappointed with abbyyy and their latest finereader product.

I do use ocr and scanning but not as much as I usually did.

Interestingly when I checked you can still buy the product with paypal.

The company you buy from seems to be something completely different
but I am happy I got the program.

I don't use something like this to continuously update anyway.







On 6/09/2020 3:30 am, Robert Logue wrote:


I was going to try Text Cloner Pro but the company seems to be closed.


Text Cloner Pro - Premier AT Home




Start downloading link takes me a log in page with no option to join.




Emailed support and they said they are permanently closed. Actually
said"Sorry we are pertinently closed Does pertinently mean
temporary due to Covid:?I attached their reply.





I'm on vacation so will try the support number I found in another
message.


Text cloner support
1-888-514-9117





http://www.premierathome.com/products/TextClonerPro.php




I hope I can get it but I haven't even had a chance to try it. My
experience with ABBY in the past wasn't so good.





Bob


On 2020-01-08 4:43 p.m., Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

i use abby


----- Original Message ----- From: Quentin Christensen
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] OCR

Good morning,

Has anyone compared OCR software lately? I had someone ask about
Omnipage 20. I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I wasn't
sure how they compare or what other options are out there currently.

Kind regards

Quentin.



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Re: Thunderbird announcing 0 in the message list before subject line

 

On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 12:48 PM, Gene wrote:
I know no other way than to use object navigation to move to and activate a button that brings up an accessible menu. 
And since object navigation is an accepted, if underused, part of screen readers (JAWS calls it the touch cursor if memory serves, but I may be wrong) that means it's accessible.

Even I am guilty of not using object navigation as frequently as I should when I find something isn't accessible via straight "tab traversal" or other shortcut methods.  But if it's accessible via object navigation and can be interacted with, it's accessible.  It's right back to both "tool to task" and adding new techniques to one's standard arsenal.
 
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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: OCR

 

On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 12:29 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Why not send the results directly to Word?
Because certain software doesn't give that option.  The OCR scan result goes to PDF by default.

Essentially, if what I want is possible as a OCR direct to option, I'll use it.  If not, I try to save something initially that Word can deal with and convert.
 
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Re: OCR

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Thanks, Rui,

Well, that is my experience too! As others have said, the whole OCR crisis has faded considerably since about ten years ago when Kurtzweil was all the rage and, indeed, was the most accessible. I think the benefit of the good OCR engines was that they included an accessible means of editing the results so that any OCR errors could be quickly cleaned up.

Nowadays, I use the Canon commercial scanner tool which simply delivers an image from the scanner into my chosen location in "My Documents". I then use the application menu to pass the image through FineReader in batch mode into Word and I have all the functionality of Word to make any changes that are needed. These steps were not so easily available in the past. This is why I find I can live with the inaccessibility of the FineReader application.

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 5:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

Hello!


Firstly, I didn't said that FineReader was fully accessible!

I just asked what was the problem with the accessibility of the menus...


Regarding the Editor window it is somehow accessible, but it is a strange window...

I have tried with a document, recognized almost completely correct to TXT format, but with errors on the Editor window... And trying to correct in that window is not possible...

By instance, in the Editor appears M RIA instead of MARIA, and I was unable to correct it...


After the recognition, press Control Tab and then Shift Control Tab...
Maybe not the first time, but you will land in a edit area...


Rui Fontes



Às 16:40 de 06/09/2020, Cearbhall O'Meadhra escreveu:
Hi, Rui,

I am using FineReader 11 because I recognised its value as an OCR machine. The menus are perfectly accessible. However I cannot browse the document resulting from OCR nor can I make any edits to the document. The editor does not seem to be accessible. As you do find this program to be fully accessible, could you suggest how I might use the editor and view my pages in FineReader with NVDA?


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 12:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

What accessibility problems with FineReader menus?

I am using FineReader 14, and I have already installed FineReader 15 for costummers, and didn't notice any accessibility problems with the menus...


Rui Fontes


Às 08:29 de 06/09/2020, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Well there are accessibility issues with the menus on abbyy.

Yeah textcloner pro uses the iris engine.

I only need ocr for the occasional bill or other typed document.

I have knfb reader for some other stuff, and for the rest if balabolka
or codex can't read it then they are probably not worth my time.

I do hope that they do get this fixed.

I have not invested in omnipage as such but still.

Even though I emailed finereader support well abbyy support about this
issue with menus and delays in nvda, it appears that they never fixed it.

It took ages till I even got an update and then I asked support about
my access fixes only to be told they were not completed.

You'd think they would actually, 1. give a higher priority to get
those fixed and also update sooner.

In sort I really want a program that is reliable and has good support.

As for omnipage, its not even owned by nuance.

Aparently the best abbyy version is v12 but while yes I have my
registration code I no longer have links that work for old abbyy 12.



On 6/09/2020 7:19 pm, Gene wrote:
Why are you disappointed? Also, unless this has changed, Text Cloner
didn't use as good OCR engines. It had two major selling points, one
that it is a very simple program and very easy to use, and two, that
it is inexpensive. In today's environment, I'm not sure either
carachteristic matters much any more and if the program is still more
simple, it may not be worth giving up the added accuracy of products
like Fine Reader and Omnipage. Those are questions those who use
newer versions of these programs will have to discuss to get current
information because things can change so much and so fast in programs.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2020 9:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR






Well good I brought text cloner when I did then.

Its not been updated since 2011 but yeah, at least I have textcloner
now.

I am quite disappointed with abbyyy and their latest finereader product.

I do use ocr and scanning but not as much as I usually did.

Interestingly when I checked you can still buy the product with paypal.

The company you buy from seems to be something completely different
but I am happy I got the program.

I don't use something like this to continuously update anyway.







On 6/09/2020 3:30 am, Robert Logue wrote:


I was going to try Text Cloner Pro but the company seems to be closed.


Text Cloner Pro - Premier AT Home




Start downloading link takes me a log in page with no option to join.




Emailed support and they said they are permanently closed. Actually
said"Sorry we are pertinently closed Does pertinently mean
temporary due to Covid:?I attached their reply.





I'm on vacation so will try the support number I found in another
message.


Text cloner support
1-888-514-9117





http://www.premierathome.com/products/TextClonerPro.php




I hope I can get it but I haven't even had a chance to try it. My
experience with ABBY in the past wasn't so good.





Bob


On 2020-01-08 4:43 p.m., Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

i use abby


----- Original Message ----- From: Quentin Christensen
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] OCR

Good morning,

Has anyone compared OCR software lately? I had someone ask about
Omnipage 20. I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I wasn't
sure how they compare or what other options are out there currently.

Kind regards

Quentin.



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Re: Thunderbird announcing 0 in the message list before subject line

Gene
 

As far as I know, the way you get to the place to do that is not accessible.  I know no other way than to use object navigation to move to and activate a button that brings up an accessible menu.  The actual menu is fully accessible.  It may be that there is an accessible way to bring up the menu that those who use the program regularly know.  I found nothing in my looking around the program.


Gene

On 9/6/2020 11:43 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Gene,

            Indeed it does not deal with changing the columns displayed because the function to do that is entirely accessible as it is.  The point is it makes it much easier to determine what the actual problematic column is without having to jump through all sorts of gyrations to do so.  Getting rid of it is a matter of bringing up the Thunderbird column selection dialog and unchecking it.  The add-on lets you do the necessary legwork to determine what needs to be moved/removed with far greater ease, which is my point.

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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: Thunderbird announcing 0 in the message list before subject line

 

Gene,

            Indeed it does not deal with changing the columns displayed because the function to do that is entirely accessible as it is.  The point is it makes it much easier to determine what the actual problematic column is without having to jump through all sorts of gyrations to do so.  Getting rid of it is a matter of bringing up the Thunderbird column selection dialog and unchecking it.  The add-on lets you do the necessary legwork to determine what needs to be moved/removed with far greater ease, which is my point.

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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: OCR

Pranav Lal
 

Hi all,

Someone correct me if I am wrong but the last time I tried FineReader, it did not recognize text from within screen shots on a page. It just said "image". Kurzweil did. At that time, I attributed this to the difference between a blindness product and one designed for the sighted market.

Is this still the case?

Pranav


Re: Thunderbird announcing 0 in the message list before subject line

 

Hello all,

I think the "0" value is for the SPAM. By default Thunderbird displays a column which indicates if a message is SPAM or not. I don't know how this is presented graphically, but for screen readers it is probably presented with a binary value ("0" when it is not SPAM and "1" if it is SPAM).

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

На 6.9.2020 г. в 19:34, Gene написа:

The add-on makes changing the order of already displayed columns easier. But the add-on doesn't allow you to change the columns that are displayed, or not displayed.  From everything I've read in the add-on help, it allows you to change the order in which the columns are displayed but it doesn't have a feature that allows you to change what columns are displayed or not, just the order of display.

I'm not sure what is causing the current problem, but changing the order of display may work around it.  For example, if the column being displayed shows a 0 and appears as the first column, changing the order to last would move it out of the way.  That is another possible way to solve the problem.

It might be easier than the way I suggested.  If the problem is the first column, you can move it down to the last, at which time the add-on tells you you can't move it further.  and the order of the columns in the list is the order in which they appear on screen.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2020 11:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird announcing 0 in the message list before subject line

If you're an NVDA user and a Thunderbird user who wants to deal with checking what columns are displayed and/or moving and/or removing same, installing the Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On and using its features to do so makes life much, much easier.  See specifically the NVDA+H command at the very end of the page along with the CTRL+NVDA+1-9 command right above that.


Re: Thunderbird announcing 0 in the message list before subject line

Gene
 

The add-on makes changing the order of already displayed columns easier. But the add-on doesn't allow you to change the columns that are displayed, or not displayed. From everything I've read in the add-on help, it allows you to change the order in which the columns are displayed but it doesn't have a feature that allows you to change what columns are displayed or not, just the order of display.

I'm not sure what is causing the current problem, but changing the order of display may work around it. For example, if the column being displayed shows a 0 and appears as the first column, changing the order to last would move it out of the way. That is another possible way to solve the problem.

It might be easier than the way I suggested. If the problem is the first column, you can move it down to the last, at which time the add-on tells you you can't move it further. and the order of the columns in the list is the order in which they appear on screen.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2020 11:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird announcing 0 in the message list before subject line

If you're an NVDA user and a Thunderbird user who wants to deal with checking what columns are displayed and/or moving and/or removing same, installing the Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On and using its features to do so makes life much, much easier. See specifically the NVDA+H command at the very end of the page along with the CTRL+NVDA+1-9 command right above that.
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Re: OCR

Rui Fontes
 

Why not send the results directly to Word?


Rui


Às 17:15 de 06/09/2020, Brian Vogel escreveu:

Rui,

          I have encountered this sort of thing when a given piece of software meant to do one thing very well, in this case OCR, gives a very primitive and half-posteriored method to do something it's not dedicated to doing.

          My solution has always been to save out the OCRed result to some file format you can open in another, dedicated editor that does work well and do the corrections there.  It's sometimes the only way I've found for dealing with this that prevents insanity (or mine, anyway).  In worst case scenarios it was a two-step process where the OCRed result went straight to PDF, and then the PDF was opened in MS-Word, which converts it to Word format as part of the open process.

--

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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: OCR

 

Rui,

          I have encountered this sort of thing when a given piece of software meant to do one thing very well, in this case OCR, gives a very primitive and half-posteriored method to do something it's not dedicated to doing.

          My solution has always been to save out the OCRed result to some file format you can open in another, dedicated editor that does work well and do the corrections there.  It's sometimes the only way I've found for dealing with this that prevents insanity (or mine, anyway).  In worst case scenarios it was a two-step process where the OCRed result went straight to PDF, and then the PDF was opened in MS-Word, which converts it to Word format as part of the open process.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: OCR

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


Firstly, I didn't said that FineReader was fully accessible!

I just asked what was the problem with the acessibility of the menus...


Regarding the Editor window it is somehow accessible, but it is a strange window...

I have tried with a document, recognized almost completly correct to TXT format, but with errors on the Editor window... And trying to correct in that window is not possible...

By instance, in the Editor appears M RIA instead of MARIA, and I was unable to correct it...


After the recognition, press Control Tab and then Shift Control Tab... Maybe not the first time, but you will land in a edit area...


Rui Fontes



Às 16:40 de 06/09/2020, Cearbhall O'Meadhra escreveu:

Hi, Rui,

I am using FineReader 11 because I recognised its value as an OCR machine. The menus are perfectly accessible. However I cannot browse the document resulting from OCR nor can I make any edits to the document. The editor does not seem to be accessible. As you do find this program to be fully accessible, could you suggest how I might use the editor and view my pages in FineReader with NVDA?


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 12:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

What accessibility problems with FineReader menus?

I am using FineReader 14, and I have already installed FineReader 15 for costummers, and didn't notice any accessibility problems with the menus...


Rui Fontes


Às 08:29 de 06/09/2020, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Well there are accessibility issues with the menus on abbyy.

Yeah textcloner pro uses the iris engine.

I only need ocr for the occasional bill or other typed document.

I have knfb reader for some other stuff, and for the rest if balabolka
or codex can't read it then they are probably not worth my time.

I do hope that they do get this fixed.

I have not invested in omnipage as such but still.

Even though I emailed finereader support well abbyy support about this
issue with menus and delays in nvda, it appears that they never fixed it.

It took ages till I even got an update and then I asked support about
my access fixes only to be told they were not completed.

You'd think they would actually, 1. give a higher priority to get
those fixed and also update sooner.

In sort I really want a program that is reliable and has good support.

As for omnipage, its not even owned by nuance.

Aparently the best abbyy version is v12 but while yes I have my
registration code I no longer have links that work for old abbyy 12.



On 6/09/2020 7:19 pm, Gene wrote:
Why are you disappointed? Also, unless this has changed, Text Cloner
didn't use as good OCR engines. It had two major selling points, one
that it is a very simple program and very easy to use, and two, that
it is inexpensive. In today's environment, I'm not sure either
carachteristic matters much any more and if the program is still more
simple, it may not be worth giving up the added accuracy of products
like Fine Reader and Omnipage. Those are questions those who use
newer versions of these programs will have to discuss to get current
information because things can change so much and so fast in programs.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2020 9:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR






Well good I brought text cloner when I did then.

Its not been updated since 2011 but yeah, at least I have textcloner
now.

I am quite disappointed with abbyyy and their latest finereader product.

I do use ocr and scanning but not as much as I usually did.

Interestingly when I checked you can still buy the product with paypal.

The company you buy from seems to be something completely different
but I am happy I got the program.

I don't use something like this to continuously update anyway.







On 6/09/2020 3:30 am, Robert Logue wrote:


I was going to try Text Cloner Pro but the company seems to be closed.


Text Cloner Pro - Premier AT Home




Start downloading link takes me a log in page with no option to join.




Emailed support and they said they are permanently closed. Actually
said"Sorry we are pertinently closed Does pertinently mean
temporary due to Covid:?I attached their reply.





I'm on vacation so will try the support number I found in another
message.


Text cloner support
1-888-514-9117





http://www.premierathome.com/products/TextClonerPro.php




I hope I can get it but I haven't even had a chance to try it. My
experience with ABBY in the past wasn't so good.





Bob


On 2020-01-08 4:43 p.m., Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

i use abby


----- Original Message ----- From: Quentin Christensen
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] OCR

Good morning,

Has anyone compared OCR software lately? I had someone ask about
Omnipage 20. I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I wasn't
sure how they compare or what other options are out there currently.

Kind regards

Quentin.



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Re: Thunderbird announcing 0 in the message list before subject line

 

If you're an NVDA user and a Thunderbird user who wants to deal with checking what columns are displayed and/or moving and/or removing same, installing the Mozilla Apps Enhancements Add-On and using its features to do so makes life much, much easier.  See specifically the NVDA+H command at the very end of the page along with the CTRL+NVDA+1-9 command right above that.
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Re: OCR

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Hi, Rui,

I am using FineReader 11 because I recognised its value as an OCR machine. The menus are perfectly accessible. However I cannot browse the document resulting from OCR nor can I make any edits to the document. The editor does not seem to be accessible. As you do find this program to be fully accessible, could you suggest how I might use the editor and view my pages in FineReader with NVDA?


All the best,

Cearbhall

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 12:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

What accessibility problems with FineReader menus?

I am using FineReader 14, and I have already installed FineReader 15 for costummers, and didn't notice any accessibility problems with the menus...


Rui Fontes


Às 08:29 de 06/09/2020, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
Well there are accessibility issues with the menus on abbyy.

Yeah textcloner pro uses the iris engine.

I only need ocr for the occasional bill or other typed document.

I have knfb reader for some other stuff, and for the rest if balabolka
or codex can't read it then they are probably not worth my time.

I do hope that they do get this fixed.

I have not invested in omnipage as such but still.

Even though I emailed finereader support well abbyy support about this
issue with menus and delays in nvda, it appears that they never fixed it.

It took ages till I even got an update and then I asked support about
my access fixes only to be told they were not completed.

You'd think they would actually, 1. give a higher priority to get
those fixed and also update sooner.

In sort I really want a program that is reliable and has good support.

As for omnipage, its not even owned by nuance.

Aparently the best abbyy version is v12 but while yes I have my
registration code I no longer have links that work for old abbyy 12.



On 6/09/2020 7:19 pm, Gene wrote:
Why are you disappointed? Also, unless this has changed, Text Cloner
didn't use as good OCR engines. It had two major selling points, one
that it is a very simple program and very easy to use, and two, that
it is inexpensive. In today's environment, I'm not sure either
carachteristic matters much any more and if the program is still more
simple, it may not be worth giving up the added accuracy of products
like Fine Reader and Omnipage. Those are questions those who use
newer versions of these programs will have to discuss to get current
information because things can change so much and so fast in programs.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2020 9:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR






Well good I brought text cloner when I did then.

Its not been updated since 2011 but yeah, at least I have textcloner
now.

I am quite disappointed with abbyyy and their latest finereader product.

I do use ocr and scanning but not as much as I usually did.

Interestingly when I checked you can still buy the product with paypal.

The company you buy from seems to be something completely different
but I am happy I got the program.

I don't use something like this to continuously update anyway.







On 6/09/2020 3:30 am, Robert Logue wrote:


I was going to try Text Cloner Pro but the company seems to be closed.


Text Cloner Pro - Premier AT Home




Start downloading link takes me a log in page with no option to join.




Emailed support and they said they are permanently closed. Actually
said"Sorry we are pertinently closed Does pertinently mean
temporary due to Covid:?I attached their reply.





I'm on vacation so will try the support number I found in another
message.


Text cloner support
1-888-514-9117





http://www.premierathome.com/products/TextClonerPro.php




I hope I can get it but I haven't even had a chance to try it. My
experience with ABBY in the past wasn't so good.





Bob


On 2020-01-08 4:43 p.m., Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

i use abby


----- Original Message ----- From: Quentin Christensen
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 7:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] OCR

Good morning,

Has anyone compared OCR software lately? I had someone ask about
Omnipage 20. I know a few people use Abbyy Finereader, but I wasn't
sure how they compare or what other options are out there currently.

Kind regards

Quentin.





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Re: are there other people with the same problem?

P. Otter
 

thanks for it!
I'll  it a try!


Op 6-9-2020 om 16:03 schreef Sean:

Package manager.
You don't need to do anything. If you give the installation instruction and the package exists, it will be installed.


https://chocolatey.org/install

You will get rid of the inaccessible setups.
On 06/09/2020 15:42, P. Otter wrote:
what is that?
how do I use it?
curious greeting
paul otter


Op 6-9-2020 om 14:12 schreef Sean:

You can install with Chocolatey.

On 06/09/2020 14:53, P. Otter wrote:

hello all!
    I want to install the newest version of utorrent.
I'm working with the newest version of nvda 2020.2.
that is because this version of utorrent would contain less malware.
but it is while installing not accessible.
 is that only my problem or are there others with the same problem?
if so, what is at this moment a good accessible torrent client?
cheers
paul otter




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Re: are there other people with the same problem?

Sean
 

Package manager.
You don't need to do anything. If you give the installation instruction and the package exists, it will be installed.


https://chocolatey.org/install

You will get rid of the inaccessible setups.

On 06/09/2020 15:42, P. Otter wrote:
what is that?
how do I use it?
curious greeting
paul otter


Op 6-9-2020 om 14:12 schreef Sean:

You can install with Chocolatey.

On 06/09/2020 14:53, P. Otter wrote:

hello all!
    I want to install the newest version of utorrent.
I'm working with the newest version of nvda 2020.2.
that is because this version of utorrent would contain less malware.
but it is while installing not accessible.
 is that only my problem or are there others with the same problem?
if so, what is at this moment a good accessible torrent client?
cheers
paul otter




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👨‍🦯 I’m programmer. I coding often Python, sometimes Go and rarely C++.


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Re: are there other people with the same problem?

P. Otter
 

what is that?
how do I use it?
curious greeting
paul otter


Op 6-9-2020 om 14:12 schreef Sean:

You can install with Chocolatey.

On 06/09/2020 14:53, P. Otter wrote:

hello all!
    I want to install the newest version of utorrent.
I'm working with the newest version of nvda 2020.2.
that is because this version of utorrent would contain less malware.
but it is while installing not accessible.
 is that only my problem or are there others with the same problem?
if so, what is at this moment a good accessible torrent client?
cheers
paul otter




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👨‍🦯 I’m programmer. I coding often Python, sometimes Go and rarely C++.



Re: are there other people with the same problem?

Sean
 

You can install with Chocolatey.

On 06/09/2020 14:53, P. Otter wrote:

hello all!
    I want to install the newest version of utorrent.
I'm working with the newest version of nvda 2020.2.
that is because this version of utorrent would contain less malware.
but it is while installing not accessible.
 is that only my problem or are there others with the same problem?
if so, what is at this moment a good accessible torrent client?
cheers
paul otter




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👨‍🦯 I’m programmer. I coding often Python, sometimes Go and rarely C++.

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