Re: NVDA 2019.3 Beta 1 is out

hurrikennyandopo ...

Hi Quentin

I noticed this time when I down loaded the beta it keeped my setting for starting nvda when windows starts up. it used to un check the box so glad it is fixed.

Well I am guessing it will stay the same from now on with each beta update?

Gene nz

On 9/12/2019 8:32 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Sky,

The copy to clipboard etc conversation comes up regularly.  For now, I'll just direct you to my comment last time this came up: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/66783

Re Remote, there are arguments for and against that.  For, as you say, means new users don't need to install an update.  Against is we often get asked by companies installing NVDA about security and what data NVDA can or does send.  Currently, it's quite easy to answer, as the program sends very little information and no personal information or speech content or what the user is doing.  If we included Remote in the core, we'd need to work out how to keep everyone happy.  I'm not saying we can't or wouldn't, but it won't be in 2019.3 (not least of which because aside from whether we agree or not, we don't tend to add too many new features after we release a beta - from now on, work on 2019.3 will primarily be around stability and addressing any issues which get reported.  New features will still be worked on, but for Alpha releases looking towards inclusion in 2019.1.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 6:21 PM Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

Hello Quentin. I have downloaded the NVDA 2019.3.1 Beta release, and I have noticed a huge improvements over the 2019.2 one. Speech refactor is certainly a wonderful thing and I applaud speech refactor very much. However, there is one suggestion that could be included in the next betas. And that is the ability to have NVDA say, copied to clipboard, cut to clipboard, without the need for an add-on, and the second is I’d like to see the remote functionality built into the core of NVDA so that those of us who train on NVDA like myself can help clients without them having to install add-ons. Thanks, Sky.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 10:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2019.3 Beta 1 is out

Hi everyone,

The big news you've all been waiting for - 2019.3 beta 1 is out.  Read the full release notes here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/

As well as the update to Python, there are lots of exciting things in this release, some of these were covered in In-Process recently: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-29th-november/ and a few more will be highlighted in the next In-Process

Be sure to download it and please do let us know what works and importantly, what doesn't: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/

Kind regards

Quentin.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Re: NVDA 2019.3 Beta 1 is out

I'm really glad you guys are not taking the Apple route and rushing a product out! I am gonna wait on this a while to try it out, because of my particular add ons I use that's technically not community add ons, but yay! Yes, it would be really good to have NVDA say, copied to clipboard, etc. Especially when using the extended windows clipboard. Or, well, if there is a windows sound event for that, tell me what it is. I have the blindness taylord sound scheme for windows already, but still. Wish windows would make clipboard sounds their own sound option.

Re: NVDA Remote: A big problem which I canot solve

Tyler Spivey

2. Delete %appdata%\nvda\remote.ini and try again.

On Mon, Dec 09, 2019 at 08:18:06AM +0000, Luis Carlos Gonzáles Moráles wrote:
Hello people,
It seems that someone has the same problem as me, but anyway, using NVDA 2019.2.1, Windows 10 ver 1903, 64 bit, when I open the settings or connect dialog it just closes without opening the window. It seems that some error has been written in the log by some (unknown) reazon.
Here's the log if you know what is happening. I have a friend that wants to connect to the remote for some assistance.

Best regards,
P.S. That end was kinda of an infinite loophole I' don't know to resolve it...

Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Sky,

The copy to clipboard etc conversation comes up regularly. For now, I'll just direct you to my comment last time this came up: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/66783<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnvda.groups.io%2Fg%2Fnvda%2Fmessage%2F66783&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0ed62e8badf5492bc6e708d77c79fb8d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637114735658949964&sdata=iPSrhlbGyrXm9sSBaeY76TyPkFT5SHFCCsyWGUte9Kg%3D&reserved=0>

Re Remote, there are arguments for and against that. For, as you say, means new users don't need to install an update. Against is we often get asked by companies installing NVDA about security and what data NVDA can or does send. Currently, it's quite easy to answer, as the program sends very little information and no personal information or speech content or what the user is doing. If we included Remote in the core, we'd need to work out how to keep everyone happy. I'm not saying we can't or wouldn't, but it won't be in 2019.3 (not least of which because aside from whether we agree or not, we don't tend to add too many new features after we release a beta - from now on, work on 2019.3 will primarily be around stability and addressing any issues which get reported. New features will still be worked on, but for Alpha releases looking towards inclusion in 2019.1.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 6:21 PM Sky Mundell <skyt@...<mailto:skyt@...>> wrote:
Hello Quentin. I have downloaded the NVDA 2019.3.1 Beta release, and I have noticed a huge improvements over the 2019.2 one. Speech refactor is certainly a wonderful thing and I applaud speech refactor very much. However, there is one suggestion that could be included in the next betas. And that is the ability to have NVDA say, copied to clipboard, cut to clipboard, without the need for an add-on, and the second is I’d like to see the remote functionality built into the core of NVDA so that those of us who train on NVDA like myself can help clients without them having to install add-ons. Thanks, Sky.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 10:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2019.3 Beta 1 is out

Hi everyone,

The big news you've all been waiting for - 2019.3 beta 1 is out. Read the full release notes here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nvaccess.org%2Fpost%2Fnvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0ed62e8badf5492bc6e708d77c79fb8d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637114735658959973&sdata=XDwzDF5noA6D6F6r%2FoMOOHpJjhfG%2FkaG8G6uh5WolP4%3D&reserved=0>

As well as the update to Python, there are lots of exciting things in this release, some of these were covered in In-Process recently: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-29th-november/<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nvaccess.org%2Fpost%2Fin-process-29th-november%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0ed62e8badf5492bc6e708d77c79fb8d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637114735658959973&sdata=boYZAlfY5zUnY0DwW7UWTSuFYlx6C8zDurkXMll93No%3D&reserved=0> and a few more will be highlighted in the next In-Process

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Training and Support Manager

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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA Remote: A big problem which I canot solve

Luis Carlos González Moráles

Hello people,
It seems that someone has the same problem as me, but anyway, using NVDA 2019.2.1, Windows 10 ver 1903, 64 bit, when I open the settings or connect dialog it just closes without opening the window. It seems that some error has been written in the log by some (unknown) reazon.
Here's the log if you know what is happening. I have a friend that wants to connect to the remote for some assistance.
INFO - __main__ (03:08:45.144):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (03:08:45.490):
Config dir: C:\Users\luisc\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - core.main (03:08:45.654):
NVDA version 2019.2.1
INFO - core.main (03:08:45.654):
Using Windows version 10.0.18362 workstation
INFO - core.main (03:08:45.654):
Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar  4 2019, 01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (03:08:45.654):
Using comtypes version 1.1.7
INFO - core.main (03:08:45.654):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - external:synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (03:08:45.921):
Using eSpeak version 1.49.3 dev
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (03:08:45.986):
INFO - core.main (03:08:45.986):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (03:08:45.987):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (03:08:45.990):
Using liblouis version 3.10.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (03:08:45.994):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6
ERROR - globalPluginHandler.initialize (03:08:53.197):
Error initializing global plugin <class 'globalPlugins.remoteClient.GlobalPlugin'>
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "globalPluginHandler.pyo", line 32, in initialize
File "C:\Users\luisc\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\__init__.py", line 69, in __init__
File "C:\Users\luisc\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\configuration.py", line 31, in get_config
File "configobj\__init__.pyo", line 1199, in __init__
File "configobj\__init__.pyo", line 1292, in _load
ParseError: Invalid line ('\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00') (matched as neither section nor keyword) at line 1.
INFO - external:globalPlugins.onlineOCR.abstractEngine.AbstractEngineHandler.setCurrentEngine (03:08:53.226):
INFO - external:globalPlugins.onlineOCR.abstractEngine.AbstractEngineHandler.setCurrentEngine (03:08:53.230):
INFO - external:globalPlugins.NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin.theGlobalPlugin.NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin.__init__ (03:08:53.332):
INFO - core.main (03:08:53.538):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - unhandled exception (03:09:20.226):
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:\Users\luisc\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\__init__.py", line 285, in do_connect
File "C:\Users\luisc\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\configuration.py", line 31, in get_config
File "configobj\__init__.pyo", line 1199, in __init__
File "configobj\__init__.pyo", line 1292, in _load
ParseError: Invalid line ('\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00') (matched as neither section nor keyword) at line 1.

Best regards,
P.S. That end was kinda of an infinite loophole I' don't know to resolve it...

Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Sky,

The copy to clipboard etc conversation comes up regularly.  For now, I'll just direct you to my comment last time this came up: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/66783

Re Remote, there are arguments for and against that.  For, as you say, means new users don't need to install an update.  Against is we often get asked by companies installing NVDA about security and what data NVDA can or does send.  Currently, it's quite easy to answer, as the program sends very little information and no personal information or speech content or what the user is doing.  If we included Remote in the core, we'd need to work out how to keep everyone happy.  I'm not saying we can't or wouldn't, but it won't be in 2019.3 (not least of which because aside from whether we agree or not, we don't tend to add too many new features after we release a beta - from now on, work on 2019.3 will primarily be around stability and addressing any issues which get reported.  New features will still be worked on, but for Alpha releases looking towards inclusion in 2019.1.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 6:21 PM Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

Hello Quentin. I have downloaded the NVDA 2019.3.1 Beta release, and I have noticed a huge improvements over the 2019.2 one. Speech refactor is certainly a wonderful thing and I applaud speech refactor very much. However, there is one suggestion that could be included in the next betas. And that is the ability to have NVDA say, copied to clipboard, cut to clipboard, without the need for an add-on, and the second is I’d like to see the remote functionality built into the core of NVDA so that those of us who train on NVDA like myself can help clients without them having to install add-ons. Thanks, Sky.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 10:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2019.3 Beta 1 is out

Hi everyone,

The big news you've all been waiting for - 2019.3 beta 1 is out.  Read the full release notes here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/

As well as the update to Python, there are lots of exciting things in this release, some of these were covered in In-Process recently: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-29th-november/ and a few more will be highlighted in the next In-Process

Be sure to download it and please do let us know what works and importantly, what doesn't: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/

Kind regards

Quentin.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Re: NVDA 2019.3 Beta 1 is out

I don't want another announcement I could see how that would work in a wordprocessor but not generally, maybe a tone you could set.

And thats another thing, I do think nvda audiothemes support needs to be built into the reader with the default basic theme of low quality sounds for nvda like we have now and events like in windows.

It goes without saying distributing it inside nvda is not a good idea well the themes but maybe have a place to download themes and a way to write them and heck even I'd do that.

On 9/12/2019 8:21 pm, Sky Mundell wrote:

Hello Quentin. I have downloaded the NVDA 2019.3.1 Beta release, and I have noticed a huge improvements over the 2019.2 one. Speech refactor is certainly a wonderful thing and I applaud speech refactor very much. However, there is one suggestion that could be included in the next betas. And that is the ability to have NVDA say, copied to clipboard, cut to clipboard, without the need for an add-on, and the second is I’d like to see the remote functionality built into the core of NVDA so that those of us who train on NVDA like myself can help clients without them having to install add-ons. Thanks, Sky.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 10:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2019.3 Beta 1 is out

Hi everyone,

The big news you've all been waiting for - 2019.3 beta 1 is out.  Read the full release notes here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/

As well as the update to Python, there are lots of exciting things in this release, some of these were covered in In-Process recently: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-29th-november/ and a few more will be highlighted in the next In-Process

Be sure to download it and please do let us know what works and importantly, what doesn't: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/

Kind regards

Quentin.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Re: NVDA 2019.3 Beta 1 is out

Hello Quentin,

Sorry to ask here and not in the translators list, but what about the translation freeze period? When will it begin?

______
Best wishes,

На 9.12.2019 г. в 8:23, Quentin Christensen написа:

Hi everyone,

The big news you've all been waiting for - 2019.3 beta 1 is out.  Read the full release notes here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/

As well as the update to Python, there are lots of exciting things in this release, some of these were covered in In-Process recently: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-29th-november/ and a few more will be highlighted in the next In-Process

Be sure to download it and please do let us know what works and importantly, what doesn't: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Re: Shutting window in Winamp

Jarek.Krcmar

Yes, I think a global hotkeys.

I go in preferences and there global hotkeys.

After eighter tab I can't shuting Winamp only I can set hotkey.

Jarek
Dne 09.12.2019 v 4:29 Gene napsal(a):

Perhaps you are asking about the global hotkeys dialog.  I don't know why you may be having problems in that dialog.  I doubt it is related to NVDA but you can check, as I said, with another screen-reader.

From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Shutting window in Winamp

What version of Winamp are you using?  I'm using 5.66 and there is nothing about abbreviations in the general dialog.  Are you using the beta?  Maybe the program gets stuck somehow on a certain item.  Maybe you will have to try tabbing, then stopping on the item before the one that is causing a problem.
Then, if you want to see the items past the one causing the problem, try opening preferences, then shift tabbing then stopping on the item before the one that causes you a problem.

You can see if NVDA has anything to do with Winamp getting stuck on the item that causes you problems by using something like Narrator or JAWS and seeing if you have a problem.  That way you can see if the problemn occurs regardless of screen-reader.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 3:27 PM
Subject: [nvda] Shutting window in Winamp

Good evening group,

I have found out a big problem in Winamp.

When I open Winamp and preferences and general abbreviations, then 8
times I press key tab, then I can't shut it's window, and I can't go any
where.

I can only set abbreviations.

I wonder, what can I do for shut winamp
's window.

Nvda is silent by pressing tab.

--
Jarek

Re: Shutting window in Winamp

Jarek.Krcmar

Hi Gene,

it is a problem both in beta and in the stable version.

I have a version 566.

Jarek
Dne 09.12.2019 v 4:16 Gene napsal(a):

What version of Winamp are you using?  I'm using 5.66 and there is nothing about abbreviations in the general dialog.  Are you using the beta?  Maybe the program gets stuck somehow on a certain item.  Maybe you will have to try tabbing, then stopping on the item before the one that is causing a problem.
Then, if you want to see the items past the one causing the problem, try opening preferences, then shift tabbing then stopping on the item before the one that causes you a problem.

You can see if NVDA has anything to do with Winamp getting stuck on the item that causes you problems by using something like Narrator or JAWS and seeing if you have a problem.  That way you can see if the problemn occurs regardless of screen-reader.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 3:27 PM
Subject: [nvda] Shutting window in Winamp

Good evening group,

I have found out a big problem in Winamp.

When I open Winamp and preferences and general abbreviations, then 8
times I press key tab, then I can't shut it's window, and I can't go any
where.

I can only set abbreviations.

I wonder, what can I do for shut winamp
's window.

Nvda is silent by pressing tab.

--
Jarek

Re: NVDA 2019.3 Beta 1 is out

Quentin Christensen

Hi Sky,

The copy to clipboard etc conversation comes up regularly.  For now, I'll just direct you to my comment last time this came up: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/66783

Re Remote, there are arguments for and against that.  For, as you say, means new users don't need to install an update.  Against is we often get asked by companies installing NVDA about security and what data NVDA can or does send.  Currently, it's quite easy to answer, as the program sends very little information and no personal information or speech content or what the user is doing.  If we included Remote in the core, we'd need to work out how to keep everyone happy.  I'm not saying we can't or wouldn't, but it won't be in 2019.3 (not least of which because aside from whether we agree or not, we don't tend to add too many new features after we release a beta - from now on, work on 2019.3 will primarily be around stability and addressing any issues which get reported.  New features will still be worked on, but for Alpha releases looking towards inclusion in 2019.1.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 6:21 PM Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

Hello Quentin. I have downloaded the NVDA 2019.3.1 Beta release, and I have noticed a huge improvements over the 2019.2 one. Speech refactor is certainly a wonderful thing and I applaud speech refactor very much. However, there is one suggestion that could be included in the next betas. And that is the ability to have NVDA say, copied to clipboard, cut to clipboard, without the need for an add-on, and the second is I’d like to see the remote functionality built into the core of NVDA so that those of us who train on NVDA like myself can help clients without them having to install add-ons. Thanks, Sky.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 10:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2019.3 Beta 1 is out

Hi everyone,

The big news you've all been waiting for - 2019.3 beta 1 is out.  Read the full release notes here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/

As well as the update to Python, there are lots of exciting things in this release, some of these were covered in In-Process recently: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-29th-november/ and a few more will be highlighted in the next In-Process

Be sure to download it and please do let us know what works and importantly, what doesn't: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Re: NVDA 2019.3 Beta 1 is out

Sky Mundell

Hello Quentin. I have downloaded the NVDA 2019.3.1 Beta release, and I have noticed a huge improvements over the 2019.2 one. Speech refactor is certainly a wonderful thing and I applaud speech refactor very much. However, there is one suggestion that could be included in the next betas. And that is the ability to have NVDA say, copied to clipboard, cut to clipboard, without the need for an add-on, and the second is I’d like to see the remote functionality built into the core of NVDA so that those of us who train on NVDA like myself can help clients without them having to install add-ons. Thanks, Sky.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 10:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2019.3 Beta 1 is out

Hi everyone,

The big news you've all been waiting for - 2019.3 beta 1 is out.  Read the full release notes here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/

As well as the update to Python, there are lots of exciting things in this release, some of these were covered in In-Process recently: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-29th-november/ and a few more will be highlighted in the next In-Process

Be sure to download it and please do let us know what works and importantly, what doesn't: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/

Kind regards

Quentin.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 Beta 1 is out

Quentin Christensen

Hi everyone,

The big news you've all been waiting for - 2019.3 beta 1 is out.  Read the full release notes here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/

As well as the update to Python, there are lots of exciting things in this release, some of these were covered in In-Process recently: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-29th-november/ and a few more will be highlighted in the next In-Process

Be sure to download it and please do let us know what works and importantly, what doesn't: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3beta1-now-available-for-testing/

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Re: Looks as though nvda 2019.3 beta 1 is out

Rosemarie Chavarria

Hi, Gene NZ,

I just snagged the new beta version of NVDA and it's working great for me.

Rosemarie

On 12/8/2019 8:17 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi guys

I was just up on the snap shot site and it looks as though 2019.3 beta 1 is out to test out.

Gene nz

Looks as though nvda 2019.3 beta 1 is out

hurrikennyandopo ...

Hi guys

I was just up on the snap shot site and it looks as though 2019.3 beta 1 is out to test out.

Gene nz

Re: Quick NVDA question

George McCoy

There are some laptops where that doesn't work, notable older HP elitebooks.

George

On 12/8/2019 10:00 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hi.

Hold down control, shift, NVDA and use the left or right arrows to scroll through the options. There are options to change the voice and speech rate. Once you find the option you want use the up and down arrow to increase or decrease the value.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2019 10:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Quick NVDA question

Hi all, Michael here.

I can't seem to change the speech rate and the voice on the go with an copy of NVDA on an Laptop using Laptop keyboard layout. I can do it on my other laptop with a full size keyboard.

Any idea how can I do the same thing as I used to do on my other Laptop on this laptop with laptop keyboard layout?

Hope to hear from you'all.

Thanks and and have a nice weekend.

Best regards

Michael Munn

Re: Shutting window in Winamp

Gene

Perhaps you are asking about the global hotkeys dialog.  I don't know why you may be having problems in that dialog.  I doubt it is related to NVDA but you can check, as I said, with another screen-reader.

From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Shutting window in Winamp

What version of Winamp are you using?  I'm using 5.66 and there is nothing about abbreviations in the general dialog.  Are you using the beta?  Maybe the program gets stuck somehow on a certain item.  Maybe you will have to try tabbing, then stopping on the item before the one that is causing a problem.
Then, if you want to see the items past the one causing the problem, try opening preferences, then shift tabbing then stopping on the item before the one that causes you a problem.

You can see if NVDA has anything to do with Winamp getting stuck on the item that causes you problems by using something like Narrator or JAWS and seeing if you have a problem.  That way you can see if the problemn occurs regardless of screen-reader.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 3:27 PM
Subject: [nvda] Shutting window in Winamp

Good evening group,

I have found out a big problem in Winamp.

When I open Winamp and preferences and general abbreviations, then 8
times I press key tab, then I can't shut it's window, and I can't go any
where.

I can only set abbreviations.

I wonder, what can I do for shut winamp
's window.

Nvda is silent by pressing tab.

--
Jarek

Re: Shutting window in Winamp

Gene

What version of Winamp are you using?  I'm using 5.66 and there is nothing about abbreviations in the general dialog.  Are you using the beta?  Maybe the program gets stuck somehow on a certain item.  Maybe you will have to try tabbing, then stopping on the item before the one that is causing a problem.
Then, if you want to see the items past the one causing the problem, try opening preferences, then shift tabbing then stopping on the item before the one that causes you a problem.

You can see if NVDA has anything to do with Winamp getting stuck on the item that causes you problems by using something like Narrator or JAWS and seeing if you have a problem.  That way you can see if the problemn occurs regardless of screen-reader.

Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 3:27 PM
Subject: [nvda] Shutting window in Winamp

Good evening group,

I have found out a big problem in Winamp.

When I open Winamp and preferences and general abbreviations, then 8
times I press key tab, then I can't shut it's window, and I can't go any
where.

I can only set abbreviations.

I wonder, what can I do for shut winamp
's window.

Nvda is silent by pressing tab.

--
Jarek

Re: Anybody have an accessible password service?

Nikola Jovic

Mini kee pass works, but it is pretty outdated and is not exactly the
best solution for this. It lacks any kind of auto filling of passwords
so you have to copy and paste them manually, same for touch ID
authentication. On the other hand, if you use Android, there is a
great Kee pass app which does both of these just fine.

On 12/8/19, Richard Bartholomew <rlbart53@...> wrote:
Just in case you didn’t know, the phone app for KeePass is called
MiniKeePass and is fully usable.

Re: Anybody have an accessible password service?

Richard Bartholomew

Just in case you didn’t know, the phone app for KeePass is called MiniKeePass and is fully usable.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 08 December 2019 22:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anybody have an accessible password service?

Note that warning about the site pushing Keepass is not the official site - it's a fake site setup to push malware (they also have sites offering other software such as 7Zip, which again isn't the real version.

I have used KeePass and it works ok.  I was thinking of changing to 1Password for the ability to more easily use it with my wife and also between my PC and my phone.

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 3:09 PM Luis Guerra <wnynewjersey@...> wrote:

Site Promoting KeePass Password Manager Pushes Malware

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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Re: Anybody have an accessible password service?

Quentin Christensen

Note that warning about the site pushing Keepass is not the official site - it's a fake site setup to push malware (they also have sites offering other software such as 7Zip, which again isn't the real version.

I have used KeePass and it works ok.  I was thinking of changing to 1Password for the ability to more easily use it with my wife and also between my PC and my phone.

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 3:09 PM Luis Guerra <wnynewjersey@...> wrote:
Site Promoting KeePass Password Manager Pushes Malware

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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Re: I can only hit enter on buttons, sometimes i have to left click on them instead

Quentin Christensen

Hi Sarah,

I'm not familiar with Fly Virtual, but since you are using object navigation to get around, does NVDA+enter (Activate current navigator object) work?

Sometimes with object navigation, you can then use NVDA+shift+backspace (move system focus to current navigator object) then enter (and sometimes you can't).

Alternatively, to use the mouse, NVDA+shift+m moves the mouse to the current navigator object, then NVDA+[ is a left button click.  Note that depending on the object, the mouse may not move to exactly the right position.

Also, according to your log, you are using NVDA 2019.2.1, which is the current version.

Quentin.

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 7:14 AM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I have to check what version of NvDA I'm running, I am not on the computer on which this is happening. I did collect a log but basically what happens is this. I can tab to controls but I have to up and down arrow to them then hit enter. I cannot hit space or enter when using the tab key only. I can't really explain what happens besides that, but it is getting annoying. I used to be able to up and down arrow to controls and just hit enter on clickable items on apps and in other programs and on websites. Is this a computer issue? An nvda issue? Or what. Here is my log. I believe I'm running 1909, but I believe this has ben happening for a few months now.

INFO - main (18:13:48.677):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (18:13:49.242):
Config dir: C:\Users\Sarah\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - core.main (18:13:49.308):
NVDA version 2019.2.1
INFO - core.main (18:13:49.308):
Using Windows version 10.0.18363 workstation
INFO - core.main (18:13:49.309):
Using Python version 2.7.16 (v2.7.16:413a49145e, Mar 4 2019, 01:30:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (18:13:49.309):
Using comtypes version 1.1.7
INFO - core.main (18:13:49.309):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.
init_ (18:13:49.522):
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.3 dev
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:13:49.572):
INFO - core.main (18:13:49.572):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:13:49.573):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (18:13:49.575):
Using liblouis version 3.10.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:13:49.578):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (18:13:49.608):
Java Access Bridge not available
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6
INFO - external:globalPlugins.translate.GlobalPlugin.
init_ (18:13:52.913):
Translate module initialized, translating to en
INFO - core.main (18:13:52.963):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - scriptHandler.executeScript (18:16:34.029):
error executing script: <bound method GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_next of <globalCommands.GlobalCommands object at 0x056B0EB0>> with gesture u'shift+NVDA+right arrow'
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "scriptHandler.pyo", line 192, in executeScript
File "globalCommands.pyo", line 892, in script_navigatorObject_next
File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in get
File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects__init
.pyo", line 768, in _get_simpleNext
File "NVDAObjects__init
.pyo", line 761, in _findSimpleNext
File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get
_
File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\MSHTML.pyo", line 623, in _get_presentationType
File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get
_
File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects__init
.pyo", line 706, in _get_presentationType
File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get
_
File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\MSHTML.pyo", line 793, in _get_states
File "comtypes\client\lazybind.pyo", line 226, in __call
_
File "comtypes\automation.pyo", line 729, in invoke
COMError: (-2147352319, None, (None, None, None, 0, None))
ERROR - scriptHandler.executeScript (18:16:34.065):
error executing script: <bound method GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_previous of <globalCommands.GlobalCommands object at 0x056B0EB0>> with gesture u'shift+NVDA+left arrow'
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "scriptHandler.pyo", line 192, in executeScript
File "globalCommands.pyo", line 911, in script_navigatorObject_previous
File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get
_
File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects__init
.pyo", line 771, in _get_simplePrevious
File "NVDAObjects__init
.pyo", line 761, in _findSimpleNext
File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get
_
File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\MSHTML.pyo", line 623, in _get_presentationType
File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get
_
File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects__init
.pyo", line 706, in _get_presentationType
File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get
_
File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\MSHTML.pyo", line 793, in _get_states
File "comtypes\client\lazybind.pyo", line 226, in __call
_
File "comtypes\automation.pyo", line 729, in invoke
COMError: (-2147352319, None, (None, None, None, 0, None))
INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (18:37:21.568):
Developer info for navigator object:
name: u'Welcome To Fly Virtual'
role: ROLE_GRAPHIC
states:
isFocusable: False
hasFocus: False
Python object: <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.mozilla.Mozilla object at 0x05CE9F50>
Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.mozilla.Mozilla'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.ia2Web.Ia2Web'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: u''
location: RectLTWH(left=611, top=240, width=715, height=102)
value: None
appModule: <'firefox' (appName u'firefox', process ID 7364) at address 5a1a5b0>
appModule.productName: u'Firefox'
appModule.productVersion: u'70.0.1'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 329924
windowClassName: u'MozillaWindowClass'
windowControlID: 0
windowStyle: 382664704
extendedWindowStyle: 256
windowText: u'Charter Center - Fly Virtual - Mozilla Firefox'
displayText: u''
IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible2) ptr=0x81b5a8c at 5ab8210>
IAccessibleChildID: 0
IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=329924, objectID=-4, childID=-16801020
IAccessible accName: u'Welcome To Fly Virtual'
IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_GRAPHIC
IAccessible accState: (0)
IAccessible accDescription: u''
IAccessible accValue: None
IAccessible2 windowHandle: 329924
IAccessible2 uniqueID: -16801020
IAccessible2 role: ROLE_SYSTEM_GRAPHIC
IAccessible2 states: IA2_STATE_OPAQUE (1024)
IAccessible2 attributes: u'margin-left:0px;src:http\://flyvirtual.net/lib/skins/flyvirtual_1.0/images/banner.png;text-align:center;draggable:true;text-indent:0px;margin-right:0px;tag:img;class:img-responsive;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;display:block;explicit-name:true;'
INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (18:37:21.865):
Developer info for navigator object:
name: None
role: ROLE_EDITABLETEXT
isFocusable: True
hasFocus: True
Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_IAccessibleRichEdit50WindowNVDAObject object at 0x05CB8A10>
Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_IAccessibleRichEdit50WindowNVDAObject'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.edit.RichEdit50'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.edit.RichEdit'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.edit.Edit'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableTextWithAutoSelectDetection'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableText'>, <class 'editableText.EditableText'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: None
location: RectLTWH(left=2, top=45, width=1899, height=993)
value: u'INFO - __main
appModule: <'nvda' (appName 'nvda', process ID 13512) at address 57107d0>
appModule.productName: u'NVDA'
appModule.productVersion: u'2019.2.1'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.window.edit.ITextDocumentTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 526682
windowClassName: u'RICHEDIT50W'
windowControlID: -31894
windowStyle: 1377900612
extendedWindowStyle: 0
windowText: u'INFO - __main
displayText: u' File "NVDAObjects\__init
.pyo", line 706, in _get_presentationType File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get_ File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in getPropertyViaCache File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\MSHTML.pyo", line 793, in _get_states File "co' (truncated)
IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x820bd58 at 5d77260>
IAccessibleChildID: 0
IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=526682, objectID=-4, childID=0
IAccessible accName: None
IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT
IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_READONLY, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_VALID (1048644)
IAccessible accDescription: None
IAccessible accValue: u'INFO - __main

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