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Re: Donation Too nerve wracking
Pascal Lambert
I followed the link to the page provided by Quinten. I used the arrows and it did not budge. Please do not assume, I did not experience any anxiety and I was trying to make a one time donation. Please be kind in the way you respond. Blessings Pascal
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
I honestly have no idea what donate page you're going to, but the custom fields on the NV Access donate page has a default value of 50 for the monthly option. You can use your arrow keys to decrease or increase the amount. The buttons are clearly labeled, although, I'd remove that uses, donate a, fabulous, adjective at the beginning. That's my only gripe with it. The edit fields can be controlled with the up and down arrow keys, so I have absolutely no idea what donate page you're visiting. You're right, I didn't experience a fraction of the anxiety you experienced, at all. Also, even with 1 touch login on PayPal, you still have to manually approve the purchase. It doesn't happen automatically. It just logs you in automatically to PayPal.
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Re: Update: Defender no longer mistakenly flagging NVDA
Gene
If you need to register, the add-on should let NVDA
switch to its default voice to read the message. Evidently, it doesn't,
still using Eloquence to read the announcement and offering no way to switch to
a different voice. Perhaps there is a way that should be discussed.
I think that using another screen-reader and modifying the NVDA.ini file would
solve the problem. In general, if a synthesizer the user sets as default
can't be used for some reason, NvDA defaults to its default. If this is
what is going on, that the user is trapped in a register message and can't
switch to another synthesizer, that is very poor design.
To be safe, when upgrading to this version of NVDA
if using any synthesizer that may not be compatible, it would be a good idea to
switch to another synthesizer that will have no compatibility problems and make
sure that setting is saved by using control NVDA key c after the change is
made. Then, turn off save settings on exit so you won't upgrade, try the
incompatible voice, close NVDA, and have that new setting saved. All this
should be done before upgrading.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Update: Defender no longer mistakenly flagging
NVDA Normally that message is from Eloquence from CodeFactory... Rui Fontes Às 17:16 de 10/02/2020, Robert Doc Wright godfearer
escreveu:
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Re: NVDA 2019.3 released
Roger Stewart
I only lost one add on and that didn't
last for long. All of mine worked just fine except the Dropbox add
on. I downloaded the latest Dev version of it and it is now
working fine again.
Roger
On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Gary wrote:
I'm at a crossroads here. The security and "under the hood" changes makes me want to upgrade immediately, but losing my add-ons will make my use of NVDA for my job extremely cumbersome.
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Re: Update: Defender no longer mistakenly flagging NVDA
Rui Fontes
Normally that message is from Eloquence from CodeFactory...
Rui Fontes
Às 17:16 de 10/02/2020, Robert Doc
Wright godfearer escreveu:
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Re: the NVDA 2019.3 version of Screen Curtain
Tyler Spivey
If you want it on permanently, check the box from the Vision section of the preferences, or press the key you've assigned to it twice. The documentation doesn't explain what gets saved when, so we have to experiment a bit. The help text for the gesture is useful, though.
On 2/10/2020 9:31 AM, Giles Turnbull
wrote:
I really like the Screen Curtain addon and am glad it is now incorporated into NVDA, however ... I don't like that it is only enabled temporarily until the next restart. Unless I intentionally want to show somebody something on my laptop I would sooner the screen is not visible to anybody walking past.
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Re: Focus Highlight and NVDA 2019.3
Hi, One way to test: see if restarting with add-ons disabled fixes this. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
I've been a long time user of the Focus Highlight Add-On, and it is still installed and active under NVDA 2019.3. Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it. ~ Madonna
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Re: the NVDA 2019.3 version of Screen Curtain
Hi, One can permanently enable screen curtain by pressing the screen curtain command twice quickly. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 9:37 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] the NVDA 2019.3 version of Screen Curtain
I would rather have it disabled on start up. This is the way mac does things and it is safer that way in my humble opinion. It's not that hard in my humble opinion to make a gesture to turn it on, you can always submit your feedback through via github and see where it gets you. Maybe they can have an option to enable it on start up or have the screen come on at start up etc. Good luck. Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well. to subscribe to the feed click here Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc. Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here On 10 Feb 2020, at 9:31, Giles Turnbull wrote:
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Re: Donation Too nerve wracking
Gene
I just tried the download button again about ten
minutes after my last check and it worked. I think the problem is caused
by the donation page being too busy to let new people use it at the time.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
I checked the problem. The first time I used
the download button a little earlier in the day, it worked. When I checked
again, it didn't. I went to the site twice and it didn't either
time. That was when I had one of the donation selections selected.
When I selected the skip donation this time, the download button worked.
So the problem isn't with the download button. Perhaps the download
process is overloaded with people making donations and you can't be sent there
now so nothing happens. Whatever the case, the problem needs to be looked
into. If the form gets over loaded, then a message should be displayed
saying to try again later.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Have you made any changes such as using a script
blocker? I haven't tried, but you may have problems if scripts are
blocked. Are you using a different browser? Have you tried more than
one?
Gene
----- Original Message ------
From: Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking and it took me to a button saying download. No matter what I do to this button, it does nothing at all. Hitting enter, pressing space bar, or routing mouse to it and using left mouse click. The page just sits there. This used to take me right to PayPal and after entering my password, it accepted my donation and took me right back to continue to download and that was all there was to it. Don't know why the download button isn't working, but it isn't Hope this problem can be fixed. I was able to check for update to NVDA and I got it that way but I wanted to get the actual installer file and I currently cannot do this. Roger On 2/10/2020 10:40 AM, Damien Garwood wrote: > Hi Robert, > Yes, I always thought NVAccess had their own custom form for donating > as well, but admittedly I haven't been able to donate in some time due > to financial issues and so I didn't know if perhaps it had been > changed. In that case, the only thing I can think is that something > somewhere else is going straight to PayPal (that's the only thing I > can think of where that kind of problem occurs). I could be wrong > though... > Cheers, > Damien. > > On 10/02/2020 04:28 pm, Robert Kingett wrote: >> I honestly have no idea what donate page you're going to, but the >> custom fields on the NV Access donate page has a default value of 50 >> for the monthly option. You can use your arrow keys to decrease or >> increase the amount. The buttons are clearly labeled, although, I'd >> remove that uses, donate a, fabulous, adjective at the beginning. >> That's my only gripe with it. The edit fields can be controlled with >> the up and down arrow keys, so I have absolutely no idea what donate >> page you're visiting. You're right, I didn't experience a fraction of >> the anxiety you experienced, at all. >> >> Also, even with 1 touch login on PayPal, you still have to manually >> approve the purchase. It doesn't happen automatically. It just logs >> you in automatically to PayPal. >> >> > > >
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Focus Highlight and NVDA 2019.3
I've been a long time user of the Focus Highlight Add-On, and it is still installed and active under NVDA 2019.3.
That being said, when I go to the Preferences, Vision Pane there is now a checkbox plus sub-checkboxes for Focus Highlight and I get an error if I check those. Am I safe in presuming that the Focus Highlight Add-On functions have now been integrated into NVDA and I could drop the Add-On, or is this something else entirely. I also have no idea why I get an error message when I attempt to check the main checkbox unless it's a conflict between the existing Add-On, which does work under NVDA 2019.3, and NVDA itself for this particular function. I don't want to file an issue if the answer to this problem is simply getting rid of an Add-On that is no longer needed. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it. ~ Madonna
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Re: the NVDA 2019.3 version of Screen Curtain
I would rather have it disabled on start up. This is the way mac does things and it is safer that way in my humble opinion. It's not that hard in my humble opinion to make a gesture to turn it on, you can always submit your feedback through via github and see where it gets you. Maybe they can have an option to enable it on start up or have the screen come on at start up etc. Good luck. Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well. to subscribe to the feed click here Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc. Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here
On 10 Feb 2020, at 9:31, Giles Turnbull wrote:
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Re: Donation Too nerve wracking
Gene
I checked the problem. The first time I used
the download button a little earlier in the day, it worked. When I checked
again, it didn't. I went to the site twice and it didn't either
time. That was when I had one of the donation selections selected.
When I selected the skip donation this time, the download button worked.
So the problem isn't with the download button. Perhaps the download
process is overloaded with people making donations and you can't be sent there
now so nothing happens. Whatever the case, the problem needs to be looked
into. If the form gets over loaded, then a message should be displayed
saying to try again later.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Have you made any changes such as using a script
blocker? I haven't tried, but you may have problems if scripts are
blocked. Are you using a different browser? Have you tried more than
one?
Gene
----- Original Message ------
From: Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking and it took me to a button saying download. No matter what I do to this button, it does nothing at all. Hitting enter, pressing space bar, or routing mouse to it and using left mouse click. The page just sits there. This used to take me right to PayPal and after entering my password, it accepted my donation and took me right back to continue to download and that was all there was to it. Don't know why the download button isn't working, but it isn't Hope this problem can be fixed. I was able to check for update to NVDA and I got it that way but I wanted to get the actual installer file and I currently cannot do this. Roger On 2/10/2020 10:40 AM, Damien Garwood wrote: > Hi Robert, > Yes, I always thought NVAccess had their own custom form for donating > as well, but admittedly I haven't been able to donate in some time due > to financial issues and so I didn't know if perhaps it had been > changed. In that case, the only thing I can think is that something > somewhere else is going straight to PayPal (that's the only thing I > can think of where that kind of problem occurs). I could be wrong > though... > Cheers, > Damien. > > On 10/02/2020 04:28 pm, Robert Kingett wrote: >> I honestly have no idea what donate page you're going to, but the >> custom fields on the NV Access donate page has a default value of 50 >> for the monthly option. You can use your arrow keys to decrease or >> increase the amount. The buttons are clearly labeled, although, I'd >> remove that uses, donate a, fabulous, adjective at the beginning. >> That's my only gripe with it. The edit fields can be controlled with >> the up and down arrow keys, so I have absolutely no idea what donate >> page you're visiting. You're right, I didn't experience a fraction of >> the anxiety you experienced, at all. >> >> Also, even with 1 touch login on PayPal, you still have to manually >> approve the purchase. It doesn't happen automatically. It just logs >> you in automatically to PayPal. >> >> > > >
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the NVDA 2019.3 version of Screen Curtain
I really like the Screen Curtain addon and am glad it is now incorporated into NVDA, however ... I don't like that it is only enabled temporarily until the next restart. Unless I intentionally want to show somebody something on my laptop I would sooner the screen is not visible to anybody walking past.
Given that there is a setting to disable the warning notification about the screen being blank, is it not possible to allow the screen curtain to re-start when NVDA re-starts? This info on the old Screen Curtain addon page suggests it was intended to be possible: in case screen curtain is active when NVDA starts, a tone will be heard. I was always happy with NVDA beeping to signify that Screen Curtain was active as NVDA started. It is a bit of a nuisance to need to remember that screen curtain has not automatically started and that I need to use the input gesture I have configured in order to activate the screen curtain. Giles
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Re: NVDA 2019.3 released
Gary
I'm at a crossroads here. The security and "under the hood" changes makes me want to upgrade immediately, but losing my add-ons will make my use of NVDA for my job extremely cumbersome.
Gary
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Re: Update: Defender no longer mistakenly flagging NVDA
Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Quentin, I just downloaded 2019.3 from the site. After installing I get a message that says, “please register”. This is announced no matter what key I press. The only option I am left with is to press insert q.
****** If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why? then where does the learning start?
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 7:46 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Update: Defender no longer mistakenly flagging NVDA
Hi everyone,
Just a quick update - I mentioned on Friday that Microsoft had fixed their Defender definitions. At the time it hadn't filtered down to me at least, although later on Friday it did and everything was fine again. You should no longer have trouble installing NVDA 2019.3rc3 from: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc3-now-available-for-testing/
If you are still having trouble using eSpeak on a previously installed or setup copy of the RC, you might need to install again, as Defender probably deleted the eSpeak.dll file (the file it was incorrectly flagging as problematic).
Also just to reassure everyone, there never was a problem with eSpeak or NVDA - there never was a trojan or malicious software, it was simply Windows defender incorrectly marking the espeak dll as problematic, even though there was nothing wrong with the file.
Kind regards
Quentin.
-- Quentin Christensen
NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/
Web: www.nvaccess.org Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
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Re: NVDA 2019.3 released
Rosemarie Chavarria
Wow, that's weird. It updated on my desktop just fine.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 8:52 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2019.3 released
On my laptop it updated just fine. On my desktop it is asking me to register. Register what? That is all that it says no matter what key I hit. Both pc’s are running windows 10 pro.
****** If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why? then where does the learning start?
From: Brian Vogel
Just thought I'd post this as it is a first for me: NVDA would not update from the "in NVDA" update process. It failed and said to see the log. Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it. ~ Madonna
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Re: Donation Too nerve wracking
Gene
Have you made any changes such as using a script
blocker? I haven't tried, but you may have problems if scripts are
blocked. Are you using a different browser? Have you tried more than
one?
Gene
----- Original Message ------
From: Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking and it took me to a button saying download. No matter what I do to this button, it does nothing at all. Hitting enter, pressing space bar, or routing mouse to it and using left mouse click. The page just sits there. This used to take me right to PayPal and after entering my password, it accepted my donation and took me right back to continue to download and that was all there was to it. Don't know why the download button isn't working, but it isn't Hope this problem can be fixed. I was able to check for update to NVDA and I got it that way but I wanted to get the actual installer file and I currently cannot do this. Roger On 2/10/2020 10:40 AM, Damien Garwood wrote: > Hi Robert, > Yes, I always thought NVAccess had their own custom form for donating > as well, but admittedly I haven't been able to donate in some time due > to financial issues and so I didn't know if perhaps it had been > changed. In that case, the only thing I can think is that something > somewhere else is going straight to PayPal (that's the only thing I > can think of where that kind of problem occurs). I could be wrong > though... > Cheers, > Damien. > > On 10/02/2020 04:28 pm, Robert Kingett wrote: >> I honestly have no idea what donate page you're going to, but the >> custom fields on the NV Access donate page has a default value of 50 >> for the monthly option. You can use your arrow keys to decrease or >> increase the amount. The buttons are clearly labeled, although, I'd >> remove that uses, donate a, fabulous, adjective at the beginning. >> That's my only gripe with it. The edit fields can be controlled with >> the up and down arrow keys, so I have absolutely no idea what donate >> page you're visiting. You're right, I didn't experience a fraction of >> the anxiety you experienced, at all. >> >> Also, even with 1 touch login on PayPal, you still have to manually >> approve the purchase. It doesn't happen automatically. It just logs >> you in automatically to PayPal. >> >> > > >
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Re: Donation Too nerve wracking
Roger Stewart
I just tried to download NVDA. I checked the one off donation for $30 and it took me to a button saying download. No matter what I do to this button, it does nothing at all. Hitting enter, pressing space bar, or routing mouse to it and using left mouse click. The page just sits there. This used to take me right to PayPal and after entering my password, it accepted my donation and took me right back to continue to download and that was all there was to it. Don't know why the download button isn't working, but it isn't Hope this problem can be fixed. I was able to check for update to NVDA and I got it that way but I wanted to get the actual installer file and I currently cannot do this.
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Roger
On 2/10/2020 10:40 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:
Hi Robert,
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Re: NVDA 2019.3 released
Tyler Spivey
My guess is you have one of the paid synths. Press NVDA+ctrl+s, w, enter and it should switch you to OneCore and you can debug from there, and complain to the manufacturer of the synth that their registration message is unclear and makes your computer unusable.
On 2/10/2020 8:52 AM, Robert Doc Wright
godfearer wrote:
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Re: Donation Too nerve wracking
Gene
Do you have problems with forms in
general? Do you have problems finding content on web pages in
general? such problems might be very helpful to discuss and such
discussion might lead you to considerably more comfortable and more Internet
use.
However, such discussion should be done on the chat
list.
For now, and because this
description might help others who wish to donate and also help with other forms,
I'll describe how to work with this part of the form. It is somewhat long
but I hope those who have problems with forms read it. it may be of
important benefit when filling out forms in general.
These are all radio
buttons. It is standard in Windows screen-readers working on web pages to
select the radio button you want with the space bar. On an unfamiliar
form, you shouldn’t assume anything. You should down arrow, not tab,
through the form in browse mode. this is important because there is often
information telling you something such as the format to use when writing
information such as a date in an edit field.
You must also pay attention to
the order in which information is presented as you move down the page when
dealing with things where there is a control and a description not on the same
line. for example, starting at the top of that part of the form, you see
that the radio button is presented first, then below that, the amount. You
need to start at the top of the part of the form where the radio buttons are to
find this out. On another form, it might be text first, then radio
button. On some forms, when you move to the radio button, the text will be
read automatically. Starting at the top, and down arrowing three or four
times, you will see that the pattern is radio button then on the next line the
amount the radio button is for.
I selected other since that is
what you want.
There is one problem with the
form. it should be stated, before the form, that after you select the
amount you want to donate or select other, when you follow the download button,
a page will come up where you can enter your donation information.
But the form uses standard
controls and if you have trouble with this form, you may have trouble with many
other forms or with places where you use controls to make a choice about
something.
Perhaps there should be a link
before the form that says something like, if you have trouble filling out this
form, follow this link for instructions. Given the various levels of
knowledge those who download NVDA have, that might save people a lot of trouble
and it might increase the number of people who donate. I'll write the
instructions, if desired.
I'll end by saying that on
familiar forms, you can take shortcuts such as tabbing. But I advise
against taking shortcuts on unfamiliar forms even if they look straightforward
when you tab.
Don't assume that there is nothing relevant such as text between fields you miss by tabbing. In this form, for example, there is text between sections such as one off donation and monthly donation. You won't see it if you tab. obviously, you need to know whether you are making a one time donation or a monthly one. In his form, the order is first
one time donations, then monthly donations. So those who used the first
set of radio buttons have made a one time contribution.
Sighted people see everything in
a form. Why put yourself at a disadvantage by taking
shortcuts?
Gene
----- Original Message
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From: David Griffith
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 10:13 AM
Subject: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking This may be just a personal problem with my skills but I have avoided regular donating, as was my previous practice with the last couple of NVDA updates because of difficulties with the NVDA Donation page. Today guilt took over as I downloaded the latest update to 19.3 and decided to bite the bullet and try and donate again. I am afraid that yet again the experience was yet again a bit nerve wracking. For me the personal problem is that the default donations the page tries to funnel me towards are far too expensive for me. These high default options especially on a regular basis provide some anxiety.
Even the other amount field is unhelpfully filled with a $200 amount which I inadvertently nearly processed with my PayPal and was only then able to rescue from my one touch PayPal page with a rapid page closure. Rattled I then tried to enter a measly $10 as a safe test amount only to realise that this time I was about to commit $10200 to NVDA Access.
In the end I was able to retrieve the situation and only donate $10 which is less than I would normally donate but was based on my profound nervousness with the page. It just seems to me that this page should be easy for everybody to use , no matter what their skill level, a simple safe process for people to donate whatever amount they feel comfortable in doing.
I am sure that most people , certainly on this list, will not share these problems and deny any difficulties but I wonder how true this is for generalised NVDA users across the globe.
This funnelling of people toward larger default payments may be worth it in the larger scheme it generates more income I suppose but it does seem odd to me and has acted as a disincentive to donate personally.
David Griffith
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Re: NVDA 2019.3 released
Robert Doc Wright godfearer
On my laptop it updated just fine. On my desktop it is asking me to register. Register what? That is all that it says no matter what key I hit. Both pc’s are running windows 10 pro.
****** If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why? then where does the learning start?
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 8:27 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2019.3 released
Just thought I'd post this as it is a first for me: NVDA would not update from the "in NVDA" update process. It failed and said to see the log. Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it. ~ Madonna
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