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Re: appModule, where to find help?

 

Hi,

It works on my end - it is recognized as a terminal. Did you tell NVDA to use UIA for consoles? If so, that might explain what might be happening.

Anyway, I advise asking this on the development list at this point.

Cheers,

Joseph

Previous version of NVDA

Igor Kaplan
 

Hi all.

  Would like to ask please if it is possible to download the prior version of NVDA somewhere?

  I am using the slack chat application at work and it was working perfectly fine with last version of NVDA, however after version 2019.2 installation I started to have problems with that, it does not read chat messages.

  Would greatly appreciate, if someone could please point me to the older version download.

 

Thanks.

 

  Igor.

 

NVDA OCR scanned pdf

Lubbe Hendrik <blindguydiy@...>
 

Good day

 

Is there a way that NVDA can rotate the pdf when doing ocr using the “NVDA key + r”.  For As you know if you are blind you cannot see if the pdf is rotated or not.  I wrote a small program in python to input the pdf, and rotate it before it runs it through tesseract for output.  But if there is a way that NVDA can also do it when using the OCR function it will be great for my work do not like us having pdf to ocr programs on the pc’s we work on.

 

Thank you

Re: appModule, where to find help?

Vincent Le Goff <vincent.legoff.srs@...>
 

Joseph,


I don't think this problem is specific to an app in itself.  This is a console application.  If you need the name, this is crawl (crawl-console.exe).  But I would have thought querying the data was  exactly the same thing as querying text from the Windows console.  In this mode, data is displayed in a console and you can use the same shortcut as in any console application.  Navigation is exactly the same too.  Would I have more luck trying to get the "displayed text" on another console application?  I can't figure out why, but I guess I'll try, just to be sure.


Portable version to test if anyone is willing: https://crawl.develz.org/release/0.23/stone_soup-0.23.2-console-win32.zip


Vincent

On 9/4/2019 2:29 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

It appears the flame has died out from the candle i.e. we are missing very crucial information: we need the name of the app please. Without that, even if you report this problem to the development list (which I advise you do), we can't help you in resolving this with accurate answers.

Cheers,

Joseph

Re: appModule, where to find help?

 

Hi,

It appears the flame has died out from the candle i.e. we are missing very crucial information: we need the name of the app please. Without that, even if you report this problem to the development list (which I advise you do), we can't help you in resolving this with accurate answers.

Cheers,

Joseph

Re: Scope of the Calibre addon

Mallard
 

Hello,


As far as I nkow, ebooks in the Calibre Viewer are presented as images, or encrypted somehow, so they can't be read. In order to see the text, you have to use the OCR function in NVDA, which is absolutely out of the question.


When I asked the devs what is the reason behind this behaviour, I was told it's because of copyright...


It honestly escapes me why ebooks aer copyrighted only when a blind person has to read them, while sighted people can read the text without issues...


I'd somewhat understand this if it applied only to drm-protected books, but it applies to anything... Even to drm-free books.


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 31/08/2019 14:27, Jens Gierke ha scritto:
Hi,

I'm irritated about the Calibre addon for NVDA. Does it allow reading
ebooks with Calibre or is it only to make use of the converter
capabilities? Even with the addon installed I'm not able to read any
book content in Calibre's ebook viewer. There is no browse mode and also
the review cursor/object navigation doesn't help.

Best regards,
Jens


Re: appModule, where to find help?

Vincent Le Goff <vincent.legoff.srs@...>
 

Thanks Ralf.


When running NVDA with level log set to debug, going to the window, scrolling a bit and then opening the log, I do get the window's title in the NVDA object's name, but I don't see any text.  Perhaps the console is structured with every line of text being a different NVDA object, but even so I guess I should have been able to read the line in review mode and see the content of the line, perhaps in the value property.  That opens a new strategy though, I'll try to gather information on the entire window with systematic inspection of all children.  I'm just surprised it's so hard.


Thanks again,


Vincent

On 9/4/2019 12:38 PM, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:
Oops, I ment NVDA-F1...


-----Original Message-----
From: Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...>
Sent: Mittwoch, 4. September 2019 12:37
To: 'nvda@nvda.groups.io' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: RE: [nvda] appModule, where to find help?

Vincent,

If you can get the content with the screen review just go there and hit NVDA-1. That openes the NVDA log with all information of the object at the end of the file. There you will find the className and Control-ID. Maybe you can take it from there.

Cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vincent Le Goff
Sent: Mittwoch, 4. September 2019 11:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] appModule, where to find help?

Hi list,


Sorry if I'm off-topic, should I have sent it to the development list? Isn't it trivial?


This has been asked many, many times (perhaps indicating this information is hard to find). So here I am, trying to implement yet a new appModule for a very specific reason and a very specific software. The software in question displays information in the console and this information isn't "spoken" automatically anymore by NVDA. Should be a simple fix right? But admittedly, it forces one to introspect on the generated NVDA objects and try to figure where the information is.


So I open the app. I press some keys. I can read the content in review mode just fine. I press NVDA+CTRL+Z to open the Python console and then inspect the 'focus', 'fg' and 'nav' objects (wasn't sure of the difference in the first place). All of them can, thank goodness, point to the window title in their name. But I can't find a way (either easy or complicated) to get to the window text, the one you can access with the review mode. So, since this can be accessed with numpad7 and numpad9, I guess NVDA can see it just fine. I would just like to automate, so that new lines of text are sent to NVDA and its supported Braille display if anything happens (yes, this used to work, but this would be a perfect opportunity to dive into appModules).


In short, I need some data. I would need to plug into some kind of event. I would need for my appModule to watch for this event and, when it triggers, optionally send some text to NVDA. How am I going to find the data itself? Shouldn't opening the app and opening the NVDA console and examining the generated object would have led to the answer? (For the record, I'm afraid I couldn't examine every single generated object, I concentrated on 'focus, 'fg' and 'nav, their parent and their parent's children, with no luck).


Any help on this would be appreciated.


Thanks in advance,


Vincent






Re: appModule, where to find help?

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Oops, I ment NVDA-F1...

-----Original Message-----
From: Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...>
Sent: Mittwoch, 4. September 2019 12:37
To: 'nvda@nvda.groups.io' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: RE: [nvda] appModule, where to find help?

Vincent,

If you can get the content with the screen review just go there and hit NVDA-1. That openes the NVDA log with all information of the object at the end of the file. There you will find the className and Control-ID. Maybe you can take it from there.

Cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vincent Le Goff
Sent: Mittwoch, 4. September 2019 11:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] appModule, where to find help?

Hi list,


Sorry if I'm off-topic, should I have sent it to the development list? Isn't it trivial?


This has been asked many, many times (perhaps indicating this information is hard to find). So here I am, trying to implement yet a new appModule for a very specific reason and a very specific software. The software in question displays information in the console and this information isn't "spoken" automatically anymore by NVDA. Should be a simple fix right? But admittedly, it forces one to introspect on the generated NVDA objects and try to figure where the information is.


So I open the app. I press some keys. I can read the content in review mode just fine. I press NVDA+CTRL+Z to open the Python console and then inspect the 'focus', 'fg' and 'nav' objects (wasn't sure of the difference in the first place). All of them can, thank goodness, point to the window title in their name. But I can't find a way (either easy or complicated) to get to the window text, the one you can access with the review mode. So, since this can be accessed with numpad7 and numpad9, I guess NVDA can see it just fine. I would just like to automate, so that new lines of text are sent to NVDA and its supported Braille display if anything happens (yes, this used to work, but this would be a perfect opportunity to dive into appModules).


In short, I need some data. I would need to plug into some kind of event. I would need for my appModule to watch for this event and, when it triggers, optionally send some text to NVDA. How am I going to find the data itself? Shouldn't opening the app and opening the NVDA console and examining the generated object would have led to the answer? (For the record, I'm afraid I couldn't examine every single generated object, I concentrated on 'focus, 'fg' and 'nav, their parent and their parent's children, with no luck).


Any help on this would be appreciated.


Thanks in advance,


Vincent

Re: appModule, where to find help?

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Vincent,

If you can get the content with the screen review just go there and hit NVDA-1. That openes the NVDA log with all information of the object at the end of the file. There you will find the className and Control-ID. Maybe you can take it from there.

Cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vincent Le Goff
Sent: Mittwoch, 4. September 2019 11:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] appModule, where to find help?

Hi list,


Sorry if I'm off-topic, should I have sent it to the development list? Isn't it trivial?


This has been asked many, many times (perhaps indicating this information is hard to find). So here I am, trying to implement yet a new appModule for a very specific reason and a very specific software. The software in question displays information in the console and this information isn't "spoken" automatically anymore by NVDA. Should be a simple fix right? But admittedly, it forces one to introspect on the generated NVDA objects and try to figure where the information is.


So I open the app. I press some keys. I can read the content in review mode just fine. I press NVDA+CTRL+Z to open the Python console and then inspect the 'focus', 'fg' and 'nav' objects (wasn't sure of the difference in the first place). All of them can, thank goodness, point to the window title in their name. But I can't find a way (either easy or complicated) to get to the window text, the one you can access with the review mode. So, since this can be accessed with numpad7 and numpad9, I guess NVDA can see it just fine. I would just like to automate, so that new lines of text are sent to NVDA and its supported Braille display if anything happens (yes, this used to work, but this would be a perfect opportunity to dive into appModules).


In short, I need some data. I would need to plug into some kind of event. I would need for my appModule to watch for this event and, when it triggers, optionally send some text to NVDA. How am I going to find the data itself? Shouldn't opening the app and opening the NVDA console and examining the generated object would have led to the answer? (For the record, I'm afraid I couldn't examine every single generated object, I concentrated on 'focus, 'fg' and 'nav, their parent and their parent's children, with no luck).


Any help on this would be appreciated.


Thanks in advance,


Vincent

appModule, where to find help?

Vincent Le Goff <vincent.legoff.srs@...>
 

Hi list,


Sorry if I'm off-topic, should I have sent it to the development list?  Isn't it trivial?


This has been asked many, many times (perhaps indicating this information is hard to find).  So here I am, trying to implement yet a new appModule for a very specific reason and a very specific software.  The software in question displays information in the console and this information isn't "spoken" automatically anymore by NVDA.  Should be a simple fix right?  But admittedly, it forces one to introspect on the generated NVDA objects and try to figure where the information is.


So I open the app.  I press some keys.  I can read the content in review mode just fine.  I press NVDA+CTRL+Z to open the Python console and then inspect the 'focus', 'fg' and 'nav' objects (wasn't sure of the difference in the first place).  All of them can, thank goodness, point to the window title in their name.  But I can't find a way (either easy or complicated) to get to the window text, the one you can access with the review mode.  So, since this can be accessed with numpad7 and numpad9, I guess NVDA can see it just fine.  I would just like to automate, so that new lines of text are sent to NVDA and its supported Braille display if anything happens (yes, this used to work, but this would be a perfect opportunity to dive into appModules).


In short, I need some data.  I would need to plug into some kind of event.  I would need for my appModule to watch for this event and, when it triggers, optionally send some text to NVDA.  How am I going to find the data itself?  Shouldn't opening the app and opening the NVDA console and examining the generated object would have led to the answer?  (For the record, I'm afraid I couldn't examine every single generated object, I concentrated on 'focus, 'fg' and 'nav, their parent and their parent's children, with no luck).


Any help on this would be appreciated.


Thanks in advance,


Vincent

Re: reading from mouse pointer

willmac@lantic.net
 

Hi Qnton,

Thank you for your response.

It seems t have improved reading from the mouse pointer except were three Headings in the Email in which case reading is about 5 lines below the pointer.

I checked this with Windows Narrator and get the same result.  I think I can get to live with it.

Many thanks for your help.

Regards,

William

Re: Can't run NVDA with admin rights on a MS Surface

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi James,

Interesting, I hadn't encountered this before, although I personally don't have a Surface laptop - which model do you have?  And which build of Windows are they running?

As you've found with your Lenovo's, the general advice I gave should usually work, but evidently there is something different happening with the Surface.  Can you get me a copy of the nvda.log and maybe the nvda-old.log files from the %temp% folder on one of the surface machines (ideally from when it was installed, and from when it wouldn't start, rather than the portable copy).

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 10:12 PM <james.luxton@...> wrote:
Hi Quentin,

I installed the software with an admin account and can run the software without issues on the admin account.  When I log in as a standard user, NVDA will not run and this is only an issue on Microsoft Surface laptops(All our Lenovo units run fine).  Currently I am running NVDA in Portable mode to get my users up and running but I was hoping to resolve the standard install.

Thank you,
James



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Re: Paid Tutor For NVDA, Dictation Bridge, Dragon Dictate

Terrie Terlau <terrieter@...>
 

Hello Quinten,

Thank you very much for your helpful email. I have emailed some folks listed on the NVDA certification page – and I wouldn’t have known that  such a page existed without your email. Thanks again.
Sincerely,

Terrie

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen

Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 10:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Paid Tutor For NVDA, Dictation Bridge, Dragon Dictate

 

Hi Terrie,

 

There are some great experts here on the list and I am confident one will step forward for you.  Another place you might consider looking is the NVDA Certified Experts list.  Along with their basic details, many of the people on the list who do provide services such as training have also included their contact or business details.  You can find the list here: https://certification.nvaccess.org

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 11:31 AM Terrie Terlau <terrieter@...> wrote:

If anyone is a solid, regular user of NVDA with the Dictation Bridge add-on and Dragon Dictate and would like to do 4-6 hours of paid tutoring, please contact me. I want to use these resources to dictate and thereby digitize volumes  of brailled materials. I also want to teach a friend whose fingers cannot keyboard how to control her computer, do email, write documents, and use the Internet. Hourly payment rate is competitive and negotiable. Please consider contacting me off list if you have the requisite skills. Thank you very much.

Terrie Terlau

Email address: terrieter@...

 

I am computer savvy, but want to learn from someone who already knows what they are doing rather than reinventing the wheel.

Thank you again for considering this job.

Warm regards,

Terrie Terlau

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Re: Paid Tutor For NVDA, Dictation Bridge, Dragon Dictate

Terrie Terlau <terrieter@...>
 

Hello Dan,

I will let you know about whom I find as a tutor. Thanks.

Terrie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 7:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Paid Tutor For NVDA, Dictation Bridge, Dragon Dictate

 

Hi there Terry, If you get someone, I would like to get the same training.  I have been looking for some help with this for a while.

Glad to see your email and hope someone responds.

 

I would also pay for the training. God bless.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Terrie Terlau
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2019 10:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Paid Tutor For NVDA, Dictation Bridge, Dragon Dictate

 

Hello Quentin,

Thank you so very much for this very helpful information. I really appreciate it.

Terrie

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 10:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Paid Tutor For NVDA, Dictation Bridge, Dragon Dictate

 

Hi Terrie,

 

There are some great experts here on the list and I am confident one will step forward for you.  Another place you might consider looking is the NVDA Certified Experts list.  Along with their basic details, many of the people on the list who do provide services such as training have also included their contact or business details.  You can find the list here: https://certification.nvaccess.org

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 11:31 AM Terrie Terlau <terrieter@...> wrote:

If anyone is a solid, regular user of NVDA with the Dictation Bridge add-on and Dragon Dictate and would like to do 4-6 hours of paid tutoring, please contact me. I want to use these resources to dictate and thereby digitize volumes  of brailled materials. I also want to teach a friend whose fingers cannot keyboard how to control her computer, do email, write documents, and use the Internet. Hourly payment rate is competitive and negotiable. Please consider contacting me off list if you have the requisite skills. Thank you very much.

Terrie Terlau

Email address: terrieter@...

 

I am computer savvy, but want to learn from someone who already knows what they are doing rather than reinventing the wheel.

Thank you again for considering this job.

Warm regards,

Terrie Terlau

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Re: Can't run NVDA with admin rights on a MS Surface

james.luxton@...
 

Hi Quentin,

I installed the software with an admin account and can run the software without issues on the admin account.  When I log in as a standard user, NVDA will not run and this is only an issue on Microsoft Surface laptops(All our Lenovo units run fine).  Currently I am running NVDA in Portable mode to get my users up and running but I was hoping to resolve the standard install.

Thank you,
James

Re: Paid Tutor For NVDA, Dictation Bridge, Dragon Dictate

Dan Thompson
 

Hi there Terry, If you get someone, I would like to get the same training.  I have been looking for some help with this for a while.

Glad to see your email and hope someone responds.

 

I would also pay for the training. God bless.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Terrie Terlau
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2019 10:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Paid Tutor For NVDA, Dictation Bridge, Dragon Dictate

 

Hello Quentin,

Thank you so very much for this very helpful information. I really appreciate it.

Terrie

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 10:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Paid Tutor For NVDA, Dictation Bridge, Dragon Dictate

 

Hi Terrie,

 

There are some great experts here on the list and I am confident one will step forward for you.  Another place you might consider looking is the NVDA Certified Experts list.  Along with their basic details, many of the people on the list who do provide services such as training have also included their contact or business details.  You can find the list here: https://certification.nvaccess.org

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 11:31 AM Terrie Terlau <terrieter@...> wrote:

If anyone is a solid, regular user of NVDA with the Dictation Bridge add-on and Dragon Dictate and would like to do 4-6 hours of paid tutoring, please contact me. I want to use these resources to dictate and thereby digitize volumes  of brailled materials. I also want to teach a friend whose fingers cannot keyboard how to control her computer, do email, write documents, and use the Internet. Hourly payment rate is competitive and negotiable. Please consider contacting me off list if you have the requisite skills. Thank you very much.

Terrie Terlau

Email address: terrieter@...

 

I am computer savvy, but want to learn from someone who already knows what they are doing rather than reinventing the wheel.

Thank you again for considering this job.

Warm regards,

Terrie Terlau

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Re: Paid Tutor For NVDA, Dictation Bridge, Dragon Dictate

Terrie Terlau <terrieter@...>
 

Hello Quentin,

Thank you so very much for this very helpful information. I really appreciate it.

Terrie

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 10:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Paid Tutor For NVDA, Dictation Bridge, Dragon Dictate

 

Hi Terrie,

 

There are some great experts here on the list and I am confident one will step forward for you.  Another place you might consider looking is the NVDA Certified Experts list.  Along with their basic details, many of the people on the list who do provide services such as training have also included their contact or business details.  You can find the list here: https://certification.nvaccess.org

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 11:31 AM Terrie Terlau <terrieter@...> wrote:

If anyone is a solid, regular user of NVDA with the Dictation Bridge add-on and Dragon Dictate and would like to do 4-6 hours of paid tutoring, please contact me. I want to use these resources to dictate and thereby digitize volumes  of brailled materials. I also want to teach a friend whose fingers cannot keyboard how to control her computer, do email, write documents, and use the Internet. Hourly payment rate is competitive and negotiable. Please consider contacting me off list if you have the requisite skills. Thank you very much.

Terrie Terlau

Email address: terrieter@...

 

I am computer savvy, but want to learn from someone who already knows what they are doing rather than reinventing the wheel.

Thank you again for considering this job.

Warm regards,

Terrie Terlau

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Re: Paid Tutor For NVDA, Dictation Bridge, Dragon Dictate

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Terrie,

There are some great experts here on the list and I am confident one will step forward for you.  Another place you might consider looking is the NVDA Certified Experts list.  Along with their basic details, many of the people on the list who do provide services such as training have also included their contact or business details.  You can find the list here: https://certification.nvaccess.org

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 11:31 AM Terrie Terlau <terrieter@...> wrote:

If anyone is a solid, regular user of NVDA with the Dictation Bridge add-on and Dragon Dictate and would like to do 4-6 hours of paid tutoring, please contact me. I want to use these resources to dictate and thereby digitize volumes  of brailled materials. I also want to teach a friend whose fingers cannot keyboard how to control her computer, do email, write documents, and use the Internet. Hourly payment rate is competitive and negotiable. Please consider contacting me off list if you have the requisite skills. Thank you very much.

Terrie Terlau

Email address: terrieter@...

 

I am computer savvy, but want to learn from someone who already knows what they are doing rather than reinventing the wheel.

Thank you again for considering this job.

Warm regards,

Terrie Terlau

 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Paid Tutor For NVDA, Dictation Bridge, Dragon Dictate

Terrie Terlau <terrieter@...>
 

If anyone is a solid, regular user of NVDA with the Dictation Bridge add-on and Dragon Dictate and would like to do 4-6 hours of paid tutoring, please contact me. I want to use these resources to dictate and thereby digitize volumes  of brailled materials. I also want to teach a friend whose fingers cannot keyboard how to control her computer, do email, write documents, and use the Internet. Hourly payment rate is competitive and negotiable. Please consider contacting me off list if you have the requisite skills. Thank you very much.

Terrie Terlau

Email address: terrieter@...

 

I am computer savvy, but want to learn from someone who already knows what they are doing rather than reinventing the wheel.

Thank you again for considering this job.

Warm regards,

Terrie Terlau

 

Re: Dictation Bridge

 

Hi,

Without going into details, yes, it is in the works.

Cheers,

Joseph