-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Feb 10, 2020 1:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] will the add on updater update them?

Hi,
As soon as Dropbox add-on is declared stable, it’ll show up via Add-on Updater.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick ZAJDA via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 11:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] will the add on updater update them?

 

Hello,

 

About the Dropbox addon, you can download the compatible version here: https://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=dx-dev

 

Hop this helps,

 

Patrick

 

Le 10/02/2020 à 20:01, ken lawrence via Groups.Io a écrit :

Hi list 2019.3 is now on my computer I have several add ons that won’t work with the new version.  I’m aware of remote not working yet but will the dropbox and the skype and teamtalk add ons be updated soon?  I don’t want to remove the old ones to make sure new updates come in.  are there any timelines for these to be updated.  Also I didn’t quite see what is different in speech in the new version other than the different espeak engine.  What has changed there? 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

--
Patrick ZAJDA

Apparently March 2019 is equal to NVDA 2019.3 which is the correct
version.  I found this very confusing but maybe the first beta came out
last March or something. Anyhow, go ahead and get that version and
you'll really have 2019.3.
Roger






On 2/10/2020 1:09 PM, Dejan Ristic wrote:

Hi,


I installed the stable NVDA 2019.3 version. When I restarted the
machine, I found the version number from the subject line, that's to
say, 2019.3.1. My decision is not to install it till I've been told to
by those who can tell so.


Note:


I use Windows 7 operating system.

Note 2


I've checked all the mail messages, and found that none of them says a
word relating to 2019.3.1. Due to the fact that I've been using NVDA
for a longer period of time, let me suppose that this may be a minor
version addressing some bug fixes.


Dejan

Hi,


I installed the stable NVDA 2019.3 version. When I restarted the machine, I found the version number from the subject line, that's to say, 2019.3.1. My decision is not to install it till I've been told to by those who can tell so.


Note:


I use Windows 7 operating system.

Note 2


I've checked all the mail messages, and found that none of them says a word relating to 2019.3.1. Due to the fact that I've been using NVDA for a longer period of time, let me suppose that this may be a minor version addressing some bug fixes.


Dejan

Well after updating several addons, to the dev versions nvda and 99.9% of all addons are once again working.

I have had to disable autoupdater because report simbols, dropbox, and emoticons want to downdate to the stable versions.

Bar the interactive fiction addon that is

I have just coppied a couple of manafest lines from an addon to that one and its status is now enabled, however goes without saying that we need things to work  a bit better.

Hello,

 

About the Dropbox addon, you can download the compatible version here: https://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=dx-dev

 

Hop this helps,

 

Patrick

 

Le 10/02/2020 à 20:01, ken lawrence via Groups.Io a écrit :

Hi list 2019.3 is now on my computer I have several add ons that won’t work with the new version.  I’m aware of remote not working yet but will the dropbox and the skype and teamtalk add ons be updated soon?  I don’t want to remove the old ones to make sure new updates come in.  are there any timelines for these to be updated.  Also I didn’t quite see what is different in speech in the new version other than the different espeak engine.  What has changed there? 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

--
Patrick ZAJDA

Hello,

About the Dropbox addon, you can download the compatible version here: https://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=dx-dev

Hop this helps,

Patrick

Le 10/02/2020 à 20:01, ken lawrence via Groups.Io a écrit :

Hi list 2019.3 is now on my computer I have several add ons that won’t work with the new version.  I’m aware of remote not working yet but will the dropbox and the skype and teamtalk add ons be updated soon?  I don’t want to remove the old ones to make sure new updates come in.  are there any timelines for these to be updated.  Also I didn’t quite see what is different in speech in the new version other than the different espeak engine.  What has changed there? 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

--
Patrick ZAJDA

Hello,

About the Dropbox addon, you can download the compatible version here: https://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=dx-dev

Hop this helps,

Patrick

Hi list 2019.3 is now on my computer I have several add ons that won’t work with the new version.  I’m aware of remote not working yet but will the dropbox and the skype and teamtalk add ons be updated soon?  I don’t want to remove the old ones to make sure new updates come in.  are there any timelines for these to be updated.  Also I didn’t quite see what is different in speech in the new version other than the different espeak engine.  What has changed there? 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

Darn! Looks like 3.1 has been released to paying pro customers only. Wish the initial email was clearer on that, my bad for not checking, but the below link will download the latest version, which is 3.0 on the website. Below that, is the pro link where you can see how much it will cost and otherwise. Eventually, the free version will become 3.1 but not today.

1. Direct download link. Free version. 3.0
2. Pro version page. 3.1](http://www.oeclassic.com/order)

Quentin, I just downloaded 2019.3 from the site. After installing I get a message that says, “please register”. This is announced no matter what key I press. The only option I am left with is to press insert q.

 

******

If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning start?

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 7:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Update: Defender no longer mistakenly flagging NVDA

 

Hi everyone,

 

Just a quick update - I mentioned on Friday that Microsoft had fixed their Defender definitions.  At the time it hadn't filtered down to me at least, although later on Friday it did and everything was fine again.  You should no longer have trouble installing NVDA 2019.3rc3 from: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc3-now-available-for-testing/

 

If you are still having trouble using eSpeak on a previously installed or setup copy of the RC, you might need to install again, as Defender probably deleted the eSpeak.dll file (the file it was incorrectly flagging as problematic).

 

Also just to reassure everyone, there never was a problem with eSpeak or NVDA - there never was a trojan or malicious software, it was simply Windows defender incorrectly marking the espeak dll as problematic, even though there was nothing wrong with the file.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

 

Web: www.nvaccess.org 

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess

 

Is there a keyboard shortcut to toggle screen curtain on and off in 19.3? If so, what is it? If not, how do I create one? Don’t really want to have to go to NVDA settings every time I want to toggle screen curtain on and off. Thanks.

 

Greg

 

Just thought I'd post this as it is a first for me:  NVDA would not update from the "in NVDA" update process.  It failed and said to see the log.

I downloaded the new installer and that worked perfectly, and without having to uninstall the existing NVDA installation.  I probably should have posted this before going that route, as I believe I've probably now overwritten the log.  However, if the log is appended to, and anyone on the development team would like for me to send them a copy, just let me know.  I won't likely be using NVDA at all additionally today so the log is going to remain however it happens to be at the moment.

As a completely unrelated aside, can anyone tell me why NVDA announces, "Switch to USB Dialog Adapter Combo Box," as the first thing after starting virtually every time?  I've grown used to it, but I cannot for the life of me figure out what it thinks it has focus on such that this is what is announced.  And that quote is verbatim.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Robert Kingett

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 11:40 AM

Subject: [nvda] OE Classic 3.1 gets more accessibility fixes.

The below is from their accessibility email list. No, I have no clue how to join it. I was added. For those who hate Thunderbird, this may be a good alternative but understand that the free version does not support IMAP or profiles yet.

Before I paste the email, here's the website. Check it out. Send them bugs and questions.

In the latest release of OE Classic 3.1, released today (10th February 2020), we've added the support for standard Message dialogs which are now fully screen-reader accessible. The dialogs use standard buttons and standard way of displaying messages which is easily readable to any screen-reader. The dialog we're describing are the ones such as "are you sure" type of dialogs. For example, when you right click the empty deleted items folder option one such dialog will show up.

To have this support there are some requirements though:

• you must run at least Windows Vista or newer (Windows 7, Windows 8 or Windows 10 work well, and Windows 10 works best regarding this)

• Theme support must be enabled on Windows Vista, Windows 7 and Windows 8. (so in other words, Windows must be using at least Windows Basic or Windows Aero theme). On Windows 10 this is not a problem, because the themes from Windows 8 and earlier are removed - Windows 10 has always theme support enabled so message dialogs in OE Classic will be always the standard Windows ones which are accessible. The requirement to have theme support enabled on Windows Vista / 7 / 8 will be removed in one of the updates when we switch to newer compiler than the one we currently use. But this is not much of a problem. Windows 7 usually is already set to one of the above mentioned themes by default, and for Windows 10 this is not a problem at all, since it has this always enabled.

• Windows XP cannot be supported unfortunately. It doesn't support the required programming interface needed to add this. If you use that version, OE Classic will revert to the older dialogs which are not accessible. We have some ideas how to support even this, but it will require some compromises which we are only ready to take when the popularity of Windows XP is below 1% (currently about 2%).

In addition to all the above, we're also working on adding accessibility support for the list views (message list, contact list, folder list) which is currently the biggest known thing to be missing. We have made some progress regarding that in discovering why it doesn't work but there is still work to be done. We will notify you about this separately. There are also a few other windows which haven't been localized and as such adjusted for accessibility, and that will be done in time too, but these windows are rare in the current version (it is the updates window and send/receive window for example). With all of that we're approaching the goal of reaching 100% accessibility.

If you have suggestions, other than the ones which are already listed, we're always looking forward to those. If you have already made a suggestion, rest assured it is already in our queue to be implemented so there is no need to suggest it again.

----- Original Message -----

From: Robert Kingett

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 11:40 AM

Subject: [nvda] OE Classic 3.1 gets more accessibility fixes.

The below is from their accessibility email list. No, I have no clue how to join it. I was added. For those who hate Thunderbird, this may be a good alternative but understand that the free version does not support IMAP or profiles yet.

Before I paste the email, here's the website. Check it out. Send them bugs and questions.

In the latest release of OE Classic 3.1, released today (10th February 2020), we've added the support for standard Message dialogs which are now fully screen-reader accessible. The dialogs use standard buttons and standard way of displaying messages which is easily readable to any screen-reader. The dialog we're describing are the ones such as "are you sure" type of dialogs. For example, when you right click the empty deleted items folder option one such dialog will show up.

To have this support there are some requirements though:

• you must run at least Windows Vista or newer (Windows 7, Windows 8 or Windows 10 work well, and Windows 10 works best regarding this)

• Theme support must be enabled on Windows Vista, Windows 7 and Windows 8. (so in other words, Windows must be using at least Windows Basic or Windows Aero theme). On Windows 10 this is not a problem, because the themes from Windows 8 and earlier are removed - Windows 10 has always theme support enabled so message dialogs in OE Classic will be always the standard Windows ones which are accessible. The requirement to have theme support enabled on Windows Vista / 7 / 8 will be removed in one of the updates when we switch to newer compiler than the one we currently use. But this is not much of a problem. Windows 7 usually is already set to one of the above mentioned themes by default, and for Windows 10 this is not a problem at all, since it has this always enabled.

• Windows XP cannot be supported unfortunately. It doesn't support the required programming interface needed to add this. If you use that version, OE Classic will revert to the older dialogs which are not accessible. We have some ideas how to support even this, but it will require some compromises which we are only ready to take when the popularity of Windows XP is below 1% (currently about 2%).

In addition to all the above, we're also working on adding accessibility support for the list views (message list, contact list, folder list) which is currently the biggest known thing to be missing. We have made some progress regarding that in discovering why it doesn't work but there is still work to be done. We will notify you about this separately. There are also a few other windows which haven't been localized and as such adjusted for accessibility, and that will be done in time too, but these windows are rare in the current version (it is the updates window and send/receive window for example). With all of that we're approaching the goal of reaching 100% accessibility.

If you have suggestions, other than the ones which are already listed, we're always looking forward to those. If you have already made a suggestion, rest assured it is already in our queue to be implemented so there is no need to suggest it again.

Hi list 2019.3 is now on my computer I have several add ons that won’t work with the new version.  I’m aware of remote not working yet but will the dropbox and the skype and teamtalk add ons be updated soon?  I don’t want to remove the old ones to make sure new updates come in.  are there any timelines for these to be updated.  Also I didn’t quite see what is different in speech in the new version other than the different espeak engine.  What has changed there? 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

I still can't get any action with Firefox and it has always worked in the past when downloading NVDA.  I then tried Internet Explorer 11. This appeared to work as it took me to PayPal and when I entered everything there, it said redirecting to NV access.  There's where it stopped.  I never got back there from PayPal. I went back to my browser, and it was still on the download page so I just hit the download button.  I got something all right--NVDA from March of 2019!!  I just gave it up at this point.


Roger