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Monthly Group Rules Reminder for the NVDA Group (nvda@nvda.groups.io)

nvda@nvda.groups.io Group Moderators <nvda@...>
 

This is the NVDA Group Monthly Reminder Notice, which is meant to re-emphasize the NVDA Group Rules.

The central purpose of the NVDA Group is discussing how to use NVDA, either configuring NVDA's settings or familiarizing oneself with its modes and commands.  Discussions about which programs are accessible using NVDA, NVDA add-ons, NVDA tutorials and documentation, and configuring synthesizers or Braille displays for use with NVDA are also permitted.  Like all screen readers, it is a tool for accessing something else, and really serves no other purpose.  Its function as an accessibility tool is, of course, its reason for being.

It is presumed that the majority of members will be using NVDA, and possibly other screen readers, as part of their daily routine.  This being the case, before you post a message you have to consider whether the question you are about to ask is actually about NVDA itself, or about the program you’re using it to access.  Questions of the form, How do I use . . . with NVDA?, are very seldom about NVDA, but are almost always about the program being accessed with NVDA.

The NVDA Group has a Chat Subgroup (see: https://nvda.groups.io/g/chat, Group Email Addresses section) that has as its purpose the asking of virtually any “off-topic” question about anything you can think of, including just socializing.  It should be used for exactly that purpose. The Chat Subgroup has generally had technically focused topics related to using features of the programs that one is using NVDA to access or about other programs that have proven helpful.  Only those who are already members of the NVDA Group can subscribe to the Chat Subgroup.  

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Re: is this a problem with nvda or the program?

Gene
 

That didn't fix it.  If you now write a long sentence, you won't see it all.  Enable word wrap again and maximize the window.
 
Gene
----- Original Message.

Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2019 4:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] is this a problem with nvda or the program?

I fixed it.
for some reason I had to disable word rap
AdelSpence, founder of tt-games, the first audio gameing cumpaney in
trinidad and tobago!
----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] is this a problem with nvda or the program?


> hi.
> i did not understand which issue you have with notepad.
> do you use windows notepad or notepad plus plus?
>
> On 9/1/19, Adel Spence <adelspence12@...> wrote:
>> hi.
>> i'm having a problem with nvdA, I think?
>> wen ever i am in the notepad program, and I type a sentence, this is what
>> happens:
>> this is a
>> test!
>> and everything is on the same line. so, can I please have some help?
>> AdelSpence, founder of tt-games, the first audio gameing cumpaney in
>> trinidad and tobago!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> By God,
> were I given all the seven heavens
> with all they contain
> in order that
> I may disobey God
> by depriving an ant
> from the husk of a grain of barley,
> I would not do it.
> imam ali
>
>
>



Re: is this a problem with nvda or the program?

Gene
 

Somehow, the window became much smaller.  Try maximizing it, alt space, x.  That is, hold alt and press space, the system menu will come up, then type x for maximize. 
 
I assume you have word wrap on.  It's wrapping about every two words because the window is so small.  There are commands to make the unmaximized window larger but I don't recall them,  A sighted person can also do so with a mouse.  The maximized window takes up most of the screen regardless of how the size of the restored window is set.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2019 3:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] is this a problem with nvda or the program?

let me explain a little mor
so if I were to type hello there my name is adel, I would get this wen I am
reading:
hello, my
name is
adel
so, only two words per line.
why is this happening?
AdelSpence, founder of tt-games, the first audio gameing cumpaney in
trinidad and tobago!
----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] is this a problem with nvda or the program?


> hi.
> i did not understand which issue you have with notepad.
> do you use windows notepad or notepad plus plus?
>
> On 9/1/19, Adel Spence <adelspence12@...> wrote:
>> hi.
>> i'm having a problem with nvdA, I think?
>> wen ever i am in the notepad program, and I type a sentence, this is what
>> happens:
>> this is a
>> test!
>> and everything is on the same line. so, can I please have some help?
>> AdelSpence, founder of tt-games, the first audio gameing cumpaney in
>> trinidad and tobago!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> By God,
> were I given all the seven heavens
> with all they contain
> in order that
> I may disobey God
> by depriving an ant
> from the husk of a grain of barley,
> I would not do it.
> imam ali
>
>
>



Re: is this a problem with nvda or the program?

Jaffar Sidek
 

Press Alt+o and arrow down to "WordWrap" and press enter. that should solve your problem.

On 9/1/2019 4:45 PM, Adel Spence wrote:
let me explain a little mor
so if I were to type hello there my name is adel, I would get this wen I am reading:
hello, my
name is
adel
so, only two words per line.
why is this happening?
AdelSpence, founder of tt-games, the first audio gameing cumpaney in trinidad and tobago!
----- Original Message ----- From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] is this a problem with nvda or the program?


hi.
i did not understand which issue you have with notepad.
do you use windows notepad or notepad plus plus?

On 9/1/19, Adel Spence <adelspence12@...> wrote:
hi.
i'm having a problem with nvdA, I think?
wen ever i am in the notepad program, and I type a sentence, this is what
happens:
this is a
test!
and everything is on the same line. so, can I please have some help?
AdelSpence, founder of tt-games, the first audio gameing cumpaney in
trinidad and tobago!




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



Re: is this a problem with nvda or the program?

 

Hi,
Where is this option?
I've tried so many times to reproduce this behavior but, try as I might, I couldn't.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Adel Spence wrote:

I fixed it.
for some reason I had to disable word rap
AdelSpence, founder of tt-games, the first audio gameing cumpaney in trinidad and tobago!

Re: is this a problem with nvda or the program?

 

not sure about windows notepad,
but using notepad plus plus, i dont have this issue even with wordwrap enabled.
i use 32bit version of notepad plus plus.

On 9/1/19, Adel Spence <adelspence12@...> wrote:
I fixed it.
for some reason I had to disable word rap
AdelSpence, founder of tt-games, the first audio gameing cumpaney in
trinidad and tobago!
----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] is this a problem with nvda or the program?


hi.
i did not understand which issue you have with notepad.
do you use windows notepad or notepad plus plus?

On 9/1/19, Adel Spence <adelspence12@...> wrote:
hi.
i'm having a problem with nvdA, I think?
wen ever i am in the notepad program, and I type a sentence, this is
what
happens:
this is a
test!
and everything is on the same line. so, can I please have some help?
AdelSpence, founder of tt-games, the first audio gameing cumpaney in
trinidad and tobago!




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: is this a problem with nvda or the program?

Adel Spence
 

I fixed it.
for some reason I had to disable word rap
AdelSpence, founder of tt-games, the first audio gameing cumpaney in trinidad and tobago!

----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] is this a problem with nvda or the program?


hi.
i did not understand which issue you have with notepad.
do you use windows notepad or notepad plus plus?

On 9/1/19, Adel Spence <adelspence12@...> wrote:
hi.
i'm having a problem with nvdA, I think?
wen ever i am in the notepad program, and I type a sentence, this is what
happens:
this is a
test!
and everything is on the same line. so, can I please have some help?
AdelSpence, founder of tt-games, the first audio gameing cumpaney in
trinidad and tobago!




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: is this a problem with nvda or the program?

Adel Spence
 

let me explain a little mor
so if I were to type hello there my name is adel, I would get this wen I am reading:
hello, my
name is
adel
so, only two words per line.
why is this happening?
AdelSpence, founder of tt-games, the first audio gameing cumpaney in trinidad and tobago!

----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] is this a problem with nvda or the program?


hi.
i did not understand which issue you have with notepad.
do you use windows notepad or notepad plus plus?

On 9/1/19, Adel Spence <adelspence12@...> wrote:
hi.
i'm having a problem with nvdA, I think?
wen ever i am in the notepad program, and I type a sentence, this is what
happens:
this is a
test!
and everything is on the same line. so, can I please have some help?
AdelSpence, founder of tt-games, the first audio gameing cumpaney in
trinidad and tobago!




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: is this a problem with nvda or the program?

Adel Spence
 

I use windows notepad.
AdelSpence, founder of tt-games, the first audio gameing cumpaney in trinidad and tobago!

----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] is this a problem with nvda or the program?


hi.
i did not understand which issue you have with notepad.
do you use windows notepad or notepad plus plus?

On 9/1/19, Adel Spence <adelspence12@...> wrote:
hi.
i'm having a problem with nvdA, I think?
wen ever i am in the notepad program, and I type a sentence, this is what
happens:
this is a
test!
and everything is on the same line. so, can I please have some help?
AdelSpence, founder of tt-games, the first audio gameing cumpaney in
trinidad and tobago!




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: is this a problem with nvda or the program?

 

hi.
i did not understand which issue you have with notepad.
do you use windows notepad or notepad plus plus?

On 9/1/19, Adel Spence <adelspence12@...> wrote:
hi.
i'm having a problem with nvdA, I think?
wen ever i am in the notepad program, and I type a sentence, this is what
happens:
this is a
test!
and everything is on the same line. so, can I please have some help?
AdelSpence, founder of tt-games, the first audio gameing cumpaney in
trinidad and tobago!



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

is this a problem with nvda or the program?

Adel Spence
 

hi.
i'm having a problem with nvdA, I think?
wen ever i am in the notepad program, and I type a sentence, this is what happens:
this is a
test!
and everything is on the same line. so, can I please have some help?
AdelSpence, founder of tt-games, the first audio gameing cumpaney in trinidad and tobago!

Re: Addon development: how to switch focus to another NVDA object?

Luke Davis
 

Blimy! You've got that right, LOL. I never actually looked at the description.

I'll drop James and Joseph a line and see if we can get this amended a bit.

Luke

On Sat, 31 Aug 2019, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 07:36 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Or possibly better, the nvda-addons group:
Indeed.  It would help if their group description were a little more thorough, though.  I didn't look at the messages and the group description is
relatively vague.Both of those groups are "coder central" with regard to NVDA and NVDA Add-Ons. --

Re: Addon development: how to switch focus to another NVDA object?

 

On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 07:36 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Or possibly better, the nvda-addons group:
Indeed.  It would help if their group description were a little more thorough, though.  I didn't look at the messages and the group description is relatively vague.

Both of those groups are "coder central" with regard to NVDA and NVDA Add-Ons.
 
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Re: Addon development: how to switch focus to another NVDA object?

Luke Davis
 

Or possibly better, the nvda-addons group:

nvda-addons+subscribe@groups.io

Luke

On Sat, 31 Aug 2019, Brian Vogel wrote:

Sam,            This question is far more likely to get the audience you're looking for on the NVDA Development group.
* Post: nvda-devel@groups.io
* Subscribe: nvda-devel+subscribe@groups.io
* Unsubscribe: nvda-devel+unsubscribe@groups.io
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* Help: nvda-devel+help@groups.io
Although there are a few folks who are developers who post here, the bulk of us are end users who don't have any real working knowledge regarding the actual
source code for NVDA itself nor any add-ons.   By contrast, the NVDA Development group is dedicated to that.--

NVDA Remote and NVDA 2019.3

 

Hi,


Has anyone been able to contact the NVDA Remote developers to inquire if they intend to make NVDA Remote compatible with changes slated for NVDA 2019.3? I ask because this add-on is quite important for many users including myself, and 'm wondering if there are any plans to make it compatible.


Any answers appreciated.


Thanks,


Noah

Re: Addon development: how to switch focus to another NVDA object?

 

Sam,

            This question is far more likely to get the audience you're looking for on the NVDA Development group.


Although there are a few folks who are developers who post here, the bulk of us are end users who don't have any real working knowledge regarding the actual source code for NVDA itself nor any add-ons.   By contrast, the NVDA Development group is dedicated to that.

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The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 

Addon development: how to switch focus to another NVDA object?

Samuel Kacer
 

Hello all,

 

I am currently developing an addon and I am trying to figure out how to have NVDA jump to another NVDA object.

 

Essentially I am wanting for when the user presses NVDA + E, the current focused object’s siblings are searched and the first one that is editable text is focused. Here is my code:

    @script(gesture = 'kb:NVDA+e')

    def script_findEditor(self, gesture):

        # get the first sibling of focused object

        obj = api.getFocusObject().simpleParent.simpleFirstChild

        while obj is not None:

            if obj.role is controlTypes.ROLE_EDITABLETEXT:

                obj.setFocus()

                return

            obj = obj.simpleNext

        ui.message('couldnt find editor.')

 

 

I am developing this for use in IntelliJ which uses Java Access Bridge GUI. It does not work as expected, if the object doesn’t have a editor sibling it correctly outputs the message, but if it does, it doesn’t output the message and nothing happens.

 

Some help in understanding why it might not be working is greatly appreciated.

 

Kind Regards,

Sam

 

 

Re: strange radial box

 

Until or unless the original poster makes a statement, no one knows for sure what he's talking about, nor the exact behavior he's referring to.  Pretending otherwise can be your thing, but it's not mine.

Issues like this require clarity, as well as example pages where said behavior occurs so that others can test out what happens for them.  So far, we've got neither.

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The color of truth is grey.

           ~ André Gide

 

 

Re: strange radial box

Laz
 

hmm... Okay then. hopefully now you know what he was talking about.
(smiles) Glad to help out. Laz

On 8/30/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 02:45 PM, Laz wrote:


As a blind person who has used several screen readers in the past I
assumed he meant radio buttons.
As a sighted person who has done the same, I didn't. There are check boxes
and there are radio buttons but nothing close to "radial box," hence the
request for clarification.

I know what both of the above are, and if we're talking about radio buttons
it would be helpful to have a URL for a page where the "odd behavior" is
occurring.

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Re: Data Recovery Tools That Work With NVDA

Tony Ballou
 

For the first issue try using recuva from periform.com

Tony’s

from my iPhone

On Aug 30, 2019, at 11:21 PM, Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:

Hello all

On another list, a discussion about data recovery has come up, and lead me to wonder if there are any data recovery tools that are known to work with NVDA?

I don't want to be too specific about the kinds of data recovery, to keep the question open enough to attract a variety of answers.

That said, here are two examples:

1. A folder accidentally shift-deleted from a hard drive.
2. Software that records audio to a USB stick in .wav format, but doesn't write the file length header until after the recording is done. If that software (or its host, like a Behringer X32 or Midas M32) is shut down while still recording, the data is still on the stick, but shows a zero file size because the length bytes were never added to the filesystem.

Either of those can, in theory, be resolved by appropriate data recovery and forensics software. But which such software might be accessible with NVDA?

As a side note: the person on the list is dealing with problem 1 I mentioned, and I am dealing with problem 2.

Luke