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Vocalizer expressive driver question

Greg Wocher
 

Hello all,
I have a license for the vocalizer expressive voices from Tiflotecnia. I am running NVDA 2019.3 beta 1. I thought there was suppose to be a new version of the driver that would work with this version of NVDA. However when I go to the website to download the driver it is still the same one I have now that does not work with NVDA 2019.3. When will the new driver be put up to download?

Greg Wocher


Re: confused

Monte Single
 

Hi,

 

Does that mean you installed a newer version of win10 over an older one?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: December-30-19 1:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] no longer confused

 

I bit the bullet and downloaded the latest Win10 media creator. Ran it and now everything is fine.

 

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!                                                                       

 


confused

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

I bit the bullet and downloaded the latest Win10 media creator. Ran it and now everything is fine.

 

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!                                                                       

 


NVDA 2019.3 Beta 1 and Outlook 365

David Goldfield
 

I apologize if this question has already been asked or discussed as I have recently rejoined this list.

While using Beta 1 of NVDA 2019.3 I am noticing unusually sluggish performance with Outlook 365. Specifically, this occurs when I move the cursor with left or right arrow within an email message. Have others noticed this or might this be unique to my system?
--
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org


locked Re: NVDA remote

 

And, again, talk, to, the! Developers! Of! The! Add, on! This list only provided a temporary patch. so, again, talk! To! The! Developers! Of! The! Add! on! As of now, there have been no announcements or anything from the developers regarding Python 3 compatibility . I dunno how to say this any clearer. As of now, no. Assume it will not work. But start emailing, the, developers. The developers! The developers, the developers! It won't work until further notice.


locked NVDA remote

Mark <marktyler2014@...>
 

Hi sorry re posting this only did not change the subject line

There are talk that when pithen `3 comes out nvda remote will not work any more how true is this please

Only think NVDA remote is a god send

Mark.


Re: confused

Kevin Cussick
 

I believe that Brian v has given You some instruction on how to try and fix this, if this does not work then it will be a reinstall of windows.

On 28/12/2019 08:44, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
I have run it three times.
It gave me the warning
I said yes
And it immediately gave me an ok button. But my problem never changed.
******
character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!
*From: *Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io <mailto:the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *Friday, December 27, 2019 3:09 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] confused
You were asked to run the com registration tool and You did not do this.
On 27/12/2019 07:20, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

> The problem still exists. I noticed that when I press windows +t to

> bring up the task bar it says unknown there too.

>

> I have done the following:

>

> Run restore

>

> Uninstalled NVDA

>

> Deleted the NVDA folder in app-data\roaming

>

> Downgraded to 2019.2

>

> There is no change.

>

> Is there something else I should have deleted after uninstalling to make

> sure NVDA was completely removed?

>

> ******

>

> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
you!

>

> *From: *Joseph Lee <mailto:@joslee>

> *Sent: *Thursday, December 26, 2019 8:48 PM

> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] more confusion

>

> Hi,

>

> Try the following in the order shown:

>

>  1. Restart NVDA while focused on these apps.

>  2. Restart the computer.

>  3. Run “COM registration fixing tool” – NVDA menu/Tools/Run COM

>     registration fixing tool and follow the prompts.

>

> Cheers,

>

> Joseph

>

> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Robert

> Doc Wright godfearer

> *Sent:* Thursday, December 26, 2019 7:14 PM

> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

> *Subject:* [nvda] more confusion

>

> Now when I go to chrome it only says unknown. In IE it only reads the

> title bar. In Edge I get a little more but it drags a lot before saying

> anything.

>

> ******

>

> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
you!

>

>


Re: info difference depending on manner of navigation

Sascha Cowley
 

Hi Giles,

This is usually because the link is described via the `title` attribute, which?? is advantageous in that it often results in a tooltip appearing with the `title` when the link is hovered or focused.

As for why NVDA behaves like this, I'm not sure; though I have observed this behaviour too. I'd conjecture that it has something to do with the focus state of the link activating the tooltip or not, except that I don't think the announcement of the `title` is affected by the announcement of tooltips setting.


On 30/12/2019 04:07, Giles Turnbull wrote:
Hi all,

this is just a curiosity question ... I was looking at a website called People Per Hour, a site for freelance jobs. I've only just joined and was investigating the various links on one of the pages.

I don't know what you will find if you're not a member, but this is the page I was on:
https://www.peopleperhour.com/freelance-jobs/writing/creative-writing/poetic-content-2493637

Down at the bottom of the page are links to the People Per Hour social media profiles. There are Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn and Instagram.

What I noticed the first time, navigating down the page with the down cursor arrow, is that NVDA just says "link", "link", "link" and "link". The second time I navigated that part of the page I used the k shortcut key and when I navigate that way I hear "link Facebook", "link Twitter", "link LinkedIn" and "link Instagram".

Why does NVDA describe the link when using the k shortcut when it doesn't when navigating line by line with the up and down cursor keys or doing read all? I wasn't aware of any mechanism like ALT tags for graphics for adding extra info to links that aren't graphical.

Giles


info difference depending on manner of navigation

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi all,

this is just a curiosity question ... I was looking at a website called People Per Hour, a site for freelance jobs. I've only just joined and was investigating the various links on one of the pages.

I don't know what you will find if you're not a member, but this is the page I was on:
https://www.peopleperhour.com/freelance-jobs/writing/creative-writing/poetic-content-2493637

Down at the bottom of the page are links to the People Per Hour social media profiles. There are Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn and Instagram.

What I noticed the first time, navigating down the page with the down cursor arrow, is that NVDA just says "link", "link", "link" and "link". The second time I navigated that part of the page I used the k shortcut key and when I navigate that way I hear "link Facebook", "link Twitter", "link LinkedIn" and "link Instagram".

Why does NVDA describe the link when using the k shortcut when it doesn't when navigating line by line with the up and down cursor keys or doing read all? I wasn't aware of any mechanism like ALT tags for graphics for adding extra info to links that aren't graphical.

Giles


Re: Add-ons website: error 502 when trying to download add-ons

 
Edited

About the remote add on, why don't you ask the add on developers that question. Their contact page is here. Also, I've been thinking, is there a way NVDA can show all the available add ons and we can download them through a dialog? Like Miranda NG has it with their plugins?


Re: NVDA Buzzing and Speaking in a Compressed Way During Keyboard Input on a Fast Laptop

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Please go there the following way:

  1. Open your start menu and enter sounds
  2. Select Change system sounds, Control panel
  3. You are in a window with several tabs, go 2 tabs to the left. Press 2 times control-shift-tab. You hear playback devices
  4. In the list of all your playback devices now select the realtek speakers
  5. Right click and select properties
  6. A window with several tabs openens: General tab – Levels tab – Enhancements tab.
  7. Go to the enhancements tab and check the checkbox saying: Disable all sound effects
  8. Press enter and you’re done
  9.  

    Good luck,

      Ralf

     

    Sent: Sonntag, 29. Dezember 2019 07:39
    To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
    Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Buzzing and Speaking in a Compressed Way During Keyboard Input on a Fast Laptop

 

Thank you, Luke.   Your instructions got me to the same place I had found on my own. But, I don't find an enhancements checkbox or anything similar. After  Exclusive mode is just a Restore Defaults.  This has me stumped.
I am working with my default sound device which is RealTech speakers.
Any other words of advice?
Jeff


At 10:06 PM 12/28/2019, you wrote:

On Sat, 28 Dec 2019, Jeff Samco wrote:


I had  similar behavior for me start up about 3 weeks ago. I use current NVDA public release on a Windows 10 laptop. I have RealTech sound but cannot locate
where to check enhancements. I looked in Sound Link oin Control Panel but couldn't find anything for enhancements. Can someone direct me?


Press Windows, and type:
sound
The first thing should be sound in settings. Press enter on that.

You should then find that your primary output device is selected automatically from the dropdown provided. If not, select it.
Then tab once to "Device properties" and press enter.
Next you tab (I believe) seven times, to "Additional device properties", and press enter.
Press shift tab, which takes you to the tabs of the properties window, and move right to "Advanced".

Tab from there until you find the enhancements checkbox, if you have one, and uncheck it. It should be right after "exclusive mode". Then hit apply or OK, and the rest is just getting back out.

There are more straight forward ways of getting to those settings right now, but that's the one I used tonight, so it's most fresh in my mind.

Hth.

Luke



Re: NVDA Buzzing and Speaking in a Compressed Way During Keyboard Input on a Fast Laptop

 

You may have to click about in a visual audio control panel.

I used ocr to get me to listening tab, then moved the mouse round to audio enhancements which I clicked then there is another audio enhancements button to click and it will turn off.

The issue with audio enhancements isn't the enhancements its that speech is to short of a sample of sound to get full effect of the enhancement.

These are used to well make the computers sound good because speakers in them suck.

In my aunt's entry level laptop, not only do I need to have enhancements on, I need the volume on max.

Without enhancements the audio through the speakers suck for internals at any rate.

On my workstation, running with a say ms driver has the sound to overdriven so it needs enhancements and also needs drivers to switch out to headphones else you will get sounds doing weird thhings with limiters etc even when most of them are switched off.

I do have a powerfull amp and 2 wat speakers so it does work better with enhancements off.

Of course when out you can use headphones when at home you can use speakers.

If those really get you that brassed you can buy a cheap soundcard from atguys, recording with that results in a bit of bus noise from the microphone bleedthrough but its quite slight.



On 29/12/2019 7:39 pm, Jeff Samco wrote:
Thank you, Luke.   Your instructions got me to the same place I had found on my own. But, I don't find an enhancements checkbox or anything similar. After  Exclusive mode is just a Restore Defaults.  This has me stumped.
I am working with my default sound device which is RealTech speakers.
Any other words of advice?
Jeff

At 10:06 PM 12/28/2019, you wrote:
On Sat, 28 Dec 2019, Jeff Samco wrote:

I had  similar behavior for me start up about 3 weeks ago. I use current NVDA public release on a Windows 10 laptop. I have RealTech sound but cannot locate
where to check enhancements. I looked in Sound Link oin Control Panel but couldn't find anything for enhancements. Can someone direct me?

Press Windows, and type:
sound
The first thing should be sound in settings. Press enter on that.

You should then find that your primary output device is selected automatically from the dropdown provided. If not, select it.
Then tab once to "Device properties" and press enter.
Next you tab (I believe) seven times, to "Additional device properties", and press enter.
Press shift tab, which takes you to the tabs of the properties window, and move right to "Advanced".

Tab from there until you find the enhancements checkbox, if you have one, and uncheck it. It should be right after "exclusive mode". Then hit apply or OK, and the rest is just getting back out.

There are more straight forward ways of getting to those settings right now, but that's the one I used tonight, so it's most fresh in my mind.

Hth.

Luke




Re: NVDA Buzzing and Speaking in a Compressed Way During Keyboard Input on a Fast Laptop

Jeff Samco
 

Thank you, Luke.   Your instructions got me to the same place I had found on my own. But, I don't find an enhancements checkbox or anything similar. After  Exclusive mode is just a Restore Defaults.  This has me stumped.
I am working with my default sound device which is RealTech speakers.
Any other words of advice?
Jeff


At 10:06 PM 12/28/2019, you wrote:
On Sat, 28 Dec 2019, Jeff Samco wrote:

I had  similar behavior for me start up about 3 weeks ago. I use current NVDA public release on a Windows 10 laptop. I have RealTech sound but cannot locate
where to check enhancements. I looked in Sound Link oin Control Panel but couldn't find anything for enhancements. Can someone direct me?

Press Windows, and type:
sound
The first thing should be sound in settings. Press enter on that.

You should then find that your primary output device is selected automatically from the dropdown provided. If not, select it.
Then tab once to "Device properties" and press enter.
Next you tab (I believe) seven times, to "Additional device properties", and press enter.
Press shift tab, which takes you to the tabs of the properties window, and move right to "Advanced".

Tab from there until you find the enhancements checkbox, if you have one, and uncheck it. It should be right after "exclusive mode". Then hit apply or OK, and the rest is just getting back out.

There are more straight forward ways of getting to those settings right now, but that's the one I used tonight, so it's most fresh in my mind.

Hth.

Luke




Re: NVDA Buzzing and Speaking in a Compressed Way During Keyboard Input on a Fast Laptop

Luke Davis
 

On Sat, 28 Dec 2019, Jeff Samco wrote:

I had  similar behavior for me start up about 3 weeks ago. I use current NVDA public release on a Windows 10 laptop. I have RealTech sound but cannot locate
where to check enhancements. I looked in Sound Link oin Control Panel but couldn't find anything for enhancements. Can someone direct me?
Press Windows, and type:
sound
The first thing should be sound in settings. Press enter on that.

You should then find that your primary output device is selected automatically from the dropdown provided. If not, select it.
Then tab once to "Device properties" and press enter.
Next you tab (I believe) seven times, to "Additional device properties", and press enter.
Press shift tab, which takes you to the tabs of the properties window, and move right to "Advanced".

Tab from there until you find the enhancements checkbox, if you have one, and uncheck it. It should be right after "exclusive mode". Then hit apply or OK, and the rest is just getting back out.

There are more straight forward ways of getting to those settings right now, but that's the one I used tonight, so it's most fresh in my mind.

Hth.

Luke


Re: NVDA Buzzing and Speaking in a Compressed Way During Keyboard Input on a Fast Laptop

Jeff Samco
 

I had  similar behavior for me start up about 3 weeks ago. I use current NVDA public release on a Windows 10 laptop. I have RealTech sound but cannot locate where to check enhancements. I looked in Sound Link oin Control Panel but couldn't find anything for enhancements. Can someone direct me?

Thanks,
jeff


At 08:13 PM 12/28/2019, you wrote:
On Sat, 28 Dec 2019, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Wow, that sounds really strange. I'm sure somebody already gave you the hint to disable the audio enhancements for your
realtek playback speaker device?

Got it in one!

I completely forgot about that setting, since I don't have it on my primary laptop. Well, former primary laptop.

That took care of the issue, and all it cost was a 10DB loss of maximum volume which enhancements seems to provide.

Thanks Ralf, and to others who offered help; and blessings for 2020 to all on this list!

Luke




Re: Add-ons website: error 502 when trying to download add-ons

Mark <marktyler2014@...>
 

Hi how true is it that the remote addon will not work after pithen 3

Mark.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: 29 December 2019 02:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Add-ons website: error 502 when trying to download add-ons

 

Hello NVDA users,

 

Due to important infrastructure changes happening around add-ons management, you’ll get error 502 (gateway error) when trying to download add-ons from community add-ons website. The community expects this to be a temporary problem and will let you all know when downloads are working again. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Re: NVDA Buzzing and Speaking in a Compressed Way During Keyboard Input on a Fast Laptop

Luke Davis
 

On Sat, 28 Dec 2019, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Wow, that sounds really strange. I'm sure somebody already gave you the hint to disable the audio enhancements for your
realtek playback speaker device?
Got it in one!

I completely forgot about that setting, since I don't have it on my primary laptop. Well, former primary laptop.

That took care of the issue, and all it cost was a 10DB loss of maximum volume which enhancements seems to provide.

Thanks Ralf, and to others who offered help; and blessings for 2020 to all on this list!

Luke


Re: Add-ons website: error 502 when trying to download add-ons

 

Hi,

All resolved. Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2019 6:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Add-ons website: error 502 when trying to download add-ons

 

Hello NVDA users,

 

Due to important infrastructure changes happening around add-ons management, you’ll get error 502 (gateway error) when trying to download add-ons from community add-ons website. The community expects this to be a temporary problem and will let you all know when downloads are working again. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Cheers,

Joseph


Add-ons website: error 502 when trying to download add-ons

 

Hello NVDA users,

 

Due to important infrastructure changes happening around add-ons management, you’ll get error 502 (gateway error) when trying to download add-ons from community add-ons website. The community expects this to be a temporary problem and will let you all know when downloads are working again. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Announcing Capital Letters

Colin Phelan <colinphelan1@...>
 

Thanks Jean,

I have got it now and infact using caps lock as the NVDA key prevents turning it on by accident in many ways.

I also managed to simulate it by pressing caps lock twice so thanks to all for persevering with my ramblings.

Kind Regards

Colin

  

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 28 December 2019 20:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing Capital Letters

 

If caps lock is on, you will hear a beep if you press shift and type a letter.  If you do that, the letter will also be lower case while all letters typed with the shift key not depressed will be upper case.  If you don't want to accidentally turn on caps lock, set NVDA to use it as an NVDA key.  There is a check box for doing so in the keyboard settings. 

If you do that, you will need to press it quickly twice to turn it on and quickly twice to turn it off.  Pressing it only once causes it to function as an NVDA key. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2019 2:02 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing Capital Letters

 

Thanks Chris, yes if character echo is on then it works but I can't write documents listening to every character typed.
Is this the only way I get feedback to recognise if caps log maybe on accidently?
Thanks for your assistance.
Kind Regards
Colin
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: 28 December 2019 18:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing Capital Letters

Hi Colin
It should work if you have character echo on (NVDA+NumRow 2) when typing, if you just use word echo (NVDA+NumRow 3), you won't hear the pitch change.

Cheers
Chris

On 28/12/2019, Colin Phelan <colinphelan1@...> wrote:
> Thanks All, interestingly the beep and pitch change work when I review
> a typed word with the left and right arrows but not when I am typing
> so unless there is a separate setting for typing feedback maybe it is
> to do with my synth.
> Kind Regards
> Colin
>  unless
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Chris Mullins
> Sent: 26 December 2019 23:48
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing Capital Letters
>
> Hi
> Maybe I've been doing it wrong all these years then.  I use 50% to
> make it obvious because I find 30% can be indistinct in some cases.
> At least when Colin experiences the output for whatever synthesizer he
> uses, I'm sure he is capable of adjusting the setting to his personal preference.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> On 26/12/2019, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>> That is not correct.  Fifty percent is extrremely too high pitched
>> for some synthesizers.  It may be alright for others.  the default is
>> 30 percent and I wouldn't assume that that is remotely correct for a
>> lot of synthesizers.
>> also, these settings are all on by default and they don't change from
>> one synthesizer to another.  It is very unlikely that a new user
>> would turn them
>> off.   Therefore, the problem is very likely related to the synthesizer
>> or
>> some problem with the NVDA installation.
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Chris Mullins
>> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 3:04 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing Capital Letters
>>
>>
>> Hi
>> Use NVDA+Control+k to open the Keyboard settings dialog and ensure
>> the check box entitled "Beep if typing lowercase when caps lock is
>> on" is checked.  This will cause a beep to sound if you type a
>> shifted letter, giving you a big clue that caps lock is on."
>> Secondly, for each synthesizer you use, press NVDA+Control+v to open
>> the Voice Settings dialog and ensure the edit box entitled "Capital
>> pitch change perCentage" is set to at least 50%  This will make it
>> obvious that you are typing a capital letter or reviewing one when
>> reading letter by letter.  Note: Ensure you  have "Speak typed
>> characters" active (NVDA+NumRow 2) to get this feedback when typing.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>
>> On 26/12/2019, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>>> I suspect you are using the illegal add-on which isn’t supported on
>>> the list.  the list can’t, for legal reasons, support oor assist in
>>> using such software.  If you want Eloquence that functions
>>> properlhy, you can ppurchase either an add-on for it or an MSAPI
>>> version of Eloquence.  I and other list members would be happy to
>>> provide more information.  You can try demos of both, if you wish.
>>>
>>> Meantime, trhy switching to another synthesizer to see if capital
>>> notification works properly.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Colin Phelan
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 12:58 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing Capital Letters
>>>
>>> You might be onto something there I am using eloquence which did not
>>> come as part of the initial NVDA download thoughts welcome and
>>> thanks Colin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26 Dec 2019, at 6:44 pm, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   You should hear a beep if the caps lock is on and you use the
>>> shift key and type a letter.  NVDA by default raises the pitch of
>>> capital letters.
>>> If
>>> you don’t hear that, what synthesizer are you using.  The first
>>> thing we need to determine is whether the problem is a limitation of
>>> the synthesizer or some problem perhaps with the NVDA installation.
>>>
>>>   Gene
>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>   From: Colin Phelan
>>>   Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 12:33 PM
>>>   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>   Subject: [nvda] Announcing Capital Letters
>>>
>>>   I am new to NVDA and recognise this is a basic question, however,
>>> I cannot seem to get NVDA to give me feedback with regard to if I am
>>> typing capital letters which is a concern as caps lock may be on by
>>> accident.
>>>
>>>   Please confirm settings to be ticked and how to ensure settings
>>> are saved in case this is the issue.
>>>
>>>   Thanks
>>>
>>>   Colin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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