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Re: lion universal subtitle reader and more NVDA addon

Aravind R
 

Thank you. will try to use and give feed back.

On 19/08/2020, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone,
I took a look at this add-on, and I'm afraid this one isn't really
compatible with recent NVDA releases and other issues were found (no wonder
it is labeled a "beta" at this time). Specifically:
* OCR engine: it uses OCR engine found in Windows 10. Therefore unless you
are using Windows 10, you won't be able to use this add-on at all (you can
configure things, but the thing that enables this add-on is missing on older
Windows releases).
* It uses code fragments that are no longer supported in newer NVDA
dependencies (specifically, wxPython).
Thanks.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vaibhav
Bhandari
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 8:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] lion subtitle reader and more addon

Hi,
You can download the addon from the link given below-
https://blindieconnect.net/files/lion-latest.nvda-addon

On 8/19/20, Aravind R <aravind.andhrabank@gmail.com> wrote:
add on link is not pasted boss.

On 19/08/2020, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Here pasted below is the lion subtitle reader and more documentation.
My question though is, what is the very first combo box used for in
lion settings never mind I figured it out it changes how often OCR is
performed.

What is it
LION is an addon which does Automatic OCr of certain screen portions,
at a certain interval. Why do I say that it is intelligent? No, not
because I've written it, nor because the "i" makes for a nice
acronym. Since it does OCR of the same screen portion multiple times,
normally it would read the same text multiple times, which is not
very nice. So, I implemented a mechanism to skip speaking of the text
if it seems similar to the previously recognised text.
What can I do with it?
The main reason I wrote it was to read subtitles. Due to the way it
works, it can read any subtitles on the screen, including Youtube,
Netflix and other online video sites, subtitles embedded in AVI
files, and even live tV!
Make sure to set the video to full screen when using it, as it works
like sighted eyes do. It needs big text for better performance. The
quality won't be perfect, try to set the font of the subtitles as
large as possible, if you have the option, and use a high resolution
screen. The OCR engine it uses is not perfect. It may have inferior
results on certain images.
Other than that, It can be used to monitor any inaccessible text on
the screen, like video game menus. It won't tell you highlighted
text, unfortunately.
How do I use it?
To launch it with default options, just press NVDA+alt+l. LION will
start OCR of the whole screen at a 1 second interval, speaking only
when the text changes. Hopefully. :) If you want to customize its
behaviour, go to the NVDA Menu, Preferences, LION settings. For
example, a video file might have a logo in the upper left corner that
gets read along with the subtitle, and disrupts the experience. We'll
see how to fix this in the next section.
LION has the following settings:
1. OCR interval: how often the program does OCR. Takes values from
0.1 second to 10 seconds.
2. OCR target: specifies the screen portion to OCR. Options are:
current control, current window, navigator object, and full screen 3.
Crop pixels from above, below, right, left. In full screen mode,
those four fields allow you to crop sections from the screen from
being scanned.
Those settings work only in full screen and current window modes.
Why is this setting useful? Let's remember the logo example above.
Just crop 10% or so from above to skip the logo, and you won't hear
it. Actually, to make the recognition faster and less resource
intensive, you can crop like 70% from above, since subtitles are
usually found in the lower third of the screen.
what's new
version 1.11
Fixed a bug, mainly observed in youtube fullscreen.
version 1.1
1. the crop settings affect the current window mode, too 2.
implemented a similarity threshold setting, mainlly useful in games.
LION
always compares the current text with the one which has been spoken
previously. If it thinks the text hasn't changed, it doesn't speak.
This setting controls how aggressive LION is in comparing texts. 0
means all texts are identical, practically rendering the addon
unusable. 1 will read all texts, even if they are the same. The
default is 0.5.
version 1.0
initial version
Who wrote this, how often will I see updates?
My name is Stefan Moisei, a blind programmer trying to survive in an
East European country, Romania, who has a lot to catch up to get to
an occidental level. LION, and other blind specific software are just
a hobby for me, developed in my spare time. So, I'm afraid updates
won't come too often.
But
if you can code, this is NVDA, so the source is right there. :)

Sent from Mail for Windows 10





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Re: New post in NV Access about my history with NVDA

rowen brian <manchen0528@...>
 

Carlos,  Congratulations!


Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

Brian Sackrider
 

   



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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:29:40 +0200
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Might be the long link - try this weTransfer.com page:

weTransfer.com dectalk NVDA add-on


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2020-08-19 12:20 PM, Thomas N. Chan wrote:
I can't get this link to work.
I love to get the dectalk again on nvda, the latest version.

Regards,
Thomas N Chan

On 19/08/2020 5:59 AM, Joseph Okon wrote:
just give this a quick drive. doesn't sound bad at all. i'm sort of
reliving my very first walk with speech synthesis about twenty four
years ago, mainly a little box with multi-voice engine driving it.

On 8/17/20, jacob kruger <jacob@...> wrote:
If anyone cares - along lines of recent post, came across this version
of the add-on for NVDA that offers a version of the dectalk voice add-on
that works with current/latest version of NVDA:

http://grossgang.com/tts/synthesizers%20for%20nvda/dectalk/DECtalk%20py3.nvda-addon


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Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

 

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 08:10 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
What is anatad?
https://groups.google.com/g/anatad/about
 
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Re: The Braille tables need updating.

JM Casey
 

It is there, mate -- unless I'm not understanding your request...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John J. Boyer
Sent: August 19, 2020 7:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The Braille tables need updating.

Hello,

The Unified English Braille table is not listed in the output Tables list. I
have NVDA 2020.2.
Please include the en-ueb-g2.ctb table in the next release.

Thanks,
John

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Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

 

What is anatad?

Its a private group though so its unlisted.

But if I can join that then yeah ok.


On 20/08/2020 9:38 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
My last word on this will be to see this topic in ANATAD:  https://groups.google.com/g/anatad/c/wiarx0UGvkg/m/3X9NW5aICAAJ
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Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

 

Hmmm the issue is that unless you have a way to convert dectalk to some sort of sound font or instrument then you will be restricted to a dos os to run the system.

win98 maximum.

Just to be safe windows 95 release 1 probably before microsoft removed all the extra stuff from it.

We may have to switch to chat or make this private or something, but in lew of any other solution, I do wander if we may have a better time of it doing this sort of thing in linux.

I can setup a virtual machine with linux mint or wsl in windows, but I'd need someone to help me with this.

Firstly I would need either dectalk software and or hardware and hardware is just not something I have or could even use I also don't have a system that old.

Now I know there are vmware vms of windows 98, and maybe we could try with that.

Linux may be the next best choice, but I am no coder.

I have a github and can use git in windows but I know next to nothing about code.

If anyone things they can join me on this email me off list using my email, sm.everiss@...

I have a podcast on anchor that we could probably use this would be an undertaking I'd like to participate.

This is open to users and mods or anyone that has spare time.

This aint going to be anything payed, due to how dectalk is licenced I'm just going to make it opensource probably.



On 20/08/2020 9:39 am, Jesse Farquharson wrote:

You could make any synth sing with a vocoder, true. But I don't feel like the result would be as nice. That's why I like the DecTalk synth. You can get it to sing by specifically writing down how it will perform. I mean, if there is a way to make some other NVDA synth sing that would be neat, but I doubt it.


Re: The Braille tables need updating.

 

Hi,
Are you sure?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John J. Boyer
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 4:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The Braille tables need updating.

Hello,

The Unified English Braille table is not listed in the output Tables list. I
have NVDA 2020.2.
Please include the en-ueb-g2.ctb table in the next release.

Thanks,
John

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Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM
services
that are available at no cost


The Braille tables need updating.

John J. Boyer
 

Hello,

The Unified English Braille table is not listed in the output Tables list. I have NVDA 2020.2.
Please include the en-ueb-g2.ctb table in the next release.

Thanks,
John

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Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost


DECtalk Synthesizer

Don H
 

I found the link for the Dectalk syn that works with the latest version of NVDA.  I can post it here if someone can tell me if this a legal addon.  It is from

grossgang.com


Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

Gene
 

I just tried to see it. The group doesn't have an unrestricted archive. I don't want to join the group. Would you give an idea of what was said if it can be easily summarized?

While I might get permission to seee the posts, if many people want to know what it said and don't want to join the group, that might result in the owner/moderator getting many requests.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 4:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] DECtalk Synthesizer

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Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I used to have dectalk too but it doesn't work on my system either.

On 8/19/2020 12:04 PM, Roger Stewart wrote:
Can you send me the link to get DecTalk?  I didn't see one on this list. I had a DecTalk add on for NVDA but it no longer works. If you have a new one, I'd love to have it.
Roger







On 8/19/2020 1:24 PM, brian wrote:
I down loaded the one that was posted today.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/19/2020 2:22 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
Which DECtalk do you have? I'm eagerly awaiting an update to the USB driver for the DECtalk Plus I think it's called.


On 8/19/2020 2:15 PM, brian wrote:
I just tried deck talk and it's the same that I had on my reading edge. All the same voices are there. They alll sound just the way that they did back then.

Brian Sackrider







Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I'd like it too.

On 8/19/2020 1:39 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
Diddo. I want it also.

On 8/19/2020 3:04 PM, Roger Stewart wrote:
Can you send me the link to get DecTalk? I didn't see one on this list. I had a DecTalk add on for NVDA but it no longer works. If you have a new one, I'd love to have it.
Roger







On 8/19/2020 1:24 PM, brian wrote:
I down loaded the one that was posted today.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/19/2020 2:22 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
Which DECtalk do you have? I'm eagerly awaiting an update to the USB driver for the DECtalk Plus I think it's called.


On 8/19/2020 2:15 PM, brian wrote:
I just tried deck talk and it's the same that I had on my reading edge. All the same voices are there. They alll sound just the way that they did back then.

Brian Sackrider








Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I tried it but didn't care for it.



On 8/19/2020 2:28 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Has anyone here tried the NV Speech Player Add-On?
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Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

Jesse Farquharson
 

You could make any synth sing with a vocoder, true. But I don't feel like the result would be as nice. That's why I like the DecTalk synth. You can get it to sing by specifically writing down how it will perform. I mean, if there is a way to make some other NVDA synth sing that would be neat, but I doubt it.


Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

 

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Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

Don H
 

So I found a NVDA addon called DECtalk py3.nvda-addon.  Is this a legal addon?  It works well with NVDA 2020.2 but I will remove it if it isn't legal.

On 8/19/2020 4:28 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Has anyone here tried the NV Speech Player Add-On?
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Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

 

Mind you you could technically make any synth sing if you had a vocoder plugin.



On 20/08/2020 9:28 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
Has anyone here tried the NV Speech Player Add-On?
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Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

 

Hmmm I have, but I can't say I care for it that much.

Though to be truthfull espeak, and my sapi high quality vocaliser and eloquence are enough to handle here.

I haven't as yet fully pushed that addon.

Though I don't know if that would be able to sing.



On 20/08/2020 9:28 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
Has anyone here tried the NV Speech Player Add-On?
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Re: DECtalk Synthesizer

 

To be honest I am not sure if anyone actually gives a damn about this.

I used to like this when dectalk had its archive but thats a static thing now.

I suspect that while dectalk itself is not exactly used that for those musicians on there and others there are better ways to get something to sing.

Dectalk was really good in its day, don't get me wrong and through the early 2000s it kept going.

But I have heard plugins in logic and reeper for example to make chipmusic and have some soundfonts sounding like various consoles.

There is a plugin called chipspeak I think which you can use to make synthesised speech singing.

There are actual singing synths about to.

Point is, dectalk had its day.

There are software and hardware packages similar to it in some respects and not others.

To be honest, the fact dectalk usb costs a lot about 600 bucks last I checked and with no more serial ports pluss well the rest of the yesteryear stuff well who knows.

I mean I have the really low quality dectalk sapi synth but if you ever get eloquence installed either from code factory or an old sapi4 gwmicro windows eyes disk, or even old viavoice you have dectalk to an extent.

And since I have named at least 3 synths that can emulate one I wouldn't put it much to a stretch that the klatt and other methods used are probably emulated.

I mean if someone made a dectalk soundfont or instrument and maybe there is somewhere, we just don't know, its going to be easier to run that.

Back in windows xp days, when I did have a serial port and old keynote and dectalk synths I tried to run them with supernova.

While the gold did actually work and did eventually speak with ssil, the dec wouldn't it got locked up with detection, and then supernova sounded strange till I fiddled with it.

If I tried it again, it would totally screw over windows and I'd have to do a full in those time reformat.

After doing about 3 to 5 tries and about 6 or so reformats I came to the conclusion that, because the dectalk was trying to access the serial directly and the hardware abstraction layer just doesn't like that in fact some time ago past windows 98 microsoft really doesn't want hardware communicating directly with other hardware it was a no go.

Its why I no longer have any hardware synths.

Now if someone is willing to colaberate with me with this, actually get an old system, maybe I get xp vm on here though I have no system with a serial port, maybe win98 or something and an old coppy of hal 5, I do have an old copy of fully legal hal5 here I could contribute to this and are willing to talk on my podcast about setting this up then fine.

However its a tall order especially with covid.

I'm not buying usb dectalk for a doodle.

If there is anything I miss with serial synths as supposed to software, is I had a better time on linux with one.



On 20/08/2020 8:42 am, Jesse Farquharson wrote:

I desperately hope there is. I held off upgrading to 2019.3 because it wouldn't be available. Before I did, I also made a copy of my 2019.2.1 configuration, specifically for DecTalk. Someone please port this to 2019.3+ if you can... seriously. I love the singing functionality.

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