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Are these buttons? or links or links in buttons but not spoken out?

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi guys


I have been coming across websites with buttons in them. I do not mind if they are labeled correctly but then when you jump down the page with B for buttons you get a lot of unlabled ones but if i remember right will take you to a page.


Yet if you jump down by links they are spoken out.


So the question is are there links embedded into the button? but because the button is not labled as well it is not spoken out?

 A couple of websites come to mind so you can see what I mean. Even if i could lable them there are 2 many of them.


The first website is is http://www.kogan.com

It says button then link. If navigating by links it is spoken out but not buttons. There are some that just say button.


The second website is https://tubitv.com/home

In this case only buttons are spoken out some are and the rest are not.


They can not be activated the usual way with space bar or enter key but only the nvda key + enter key then it comes up with a little information.



Could this also be because they are made more for touch screens where the buttons are not spoken out correctly? or just bad website design? I mean not the website just not doing the buttons correctly.


Gene nz


Re: Difference between codefactory and Tiflotecnia Vocalizer

Clement Chou
 

Anyone notice that language switching on the code factory version of
vocalizer seems to be unreliable at best? Even with boxes checked both
in the vocalizer settings as well as the actual NVDA voice settings?

On 5/3/20, Greg Wocher <gwocher@gwocher.com> wrote:
Hello,
The Tiflotecnia one sounds a bit more gravelly than the code factory one. At
least it does on my computer.

Greg Wocher


On May 3, 2020, at 1:51 PM, Jesse Farquharson <jesse100rules@gmail.com>
wrote:

Sounds better in what way? I'm curious.





Re: Difference between codefactory and Tiflotecnia Vocalizer

Greg Wocher
 

Hello,
The Tiflotecnia one sounds a bit more gravelly than the code factory one. At least it does on my computer.

Greg Wocher


On May 3, 2020, at 1:51 PM, Jesse Farquharson <jesse100rules@...> wrote:

Sounds better in what way? I'm curious.



Sharing my configured Miranda NG.

 

I had the old EXE file, which was a zip, of the old blind version of Miranda NG. So, what I did is install the old blind version, updated everything, removed some useless things like flashing icons, changed a few settings so chats are in separate windows rather than one multi tabbed window, gotten rid of that extremely nonsensical weather plugin, gotten rid of that weird splash screen plugin, installed the speak plugin and configured it with a custom message, made it so that it reads all incoming chat using SAPI 5.

Note that the speak plugin won't read chat rooms, just single chat sessions.

I decided to have a little fun. When you open the Miranda NG for the first time, it should speak, Robert Kingett is exceedingly handsome.

Have fun! If someone could host this long term, that would be great. When it first loads, you have to add your accounts. Press the alt key, and go down to accounts.

Anyway, have fun. It's portable so if you don't like what I've changed, feel free to change it.

below the link, I'll explain how to change that startup message.

Download from Google Drive.

Changing the startup message.

  1. After Miranda NG Loads, press alt.
  2. Hit down arrow until you get to options.
  3. after you are in options, hit shift tab. You will land on a tree view. Collapse all expanded sections, then look for the speech section.
  4. After expanding, speak, go to the engine/voice section.
  5. Tab until you hear, welcome message, edit box. Change it to whatever you want.
  6. Tab to, Apply.
  7. Shift tab to, OK.


Re: Release of add-on applicationDictionary

Gene
 

You can back them up. They are specific files you can find and copy anywhare you want. Or you can do the easiest thing and back up all sorts of settings and the speech dictionaries by making a portable copy of NVDA from your installed one and having it include everything. I have almost never done this and others can explain just how you tell the portable version to keep all these things. But once you do, you can back up the portable version wherever you want. And you can use the portable version to install NVDA with everything you have in the portable version.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Kolesar
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 1:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Release of add-on applicationDictionary

It also would be nice to be able to back up the dictionary files as well.
Ron KR3DOG

-----Original Message-----
From: James Scholes
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 10:39
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io ; nvda-translations@groups.io ;
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] [nvda-addons] Release of add-on application Dictionary

Looks good. I think it would be helpful, and relatively easy, to add an
"Application dictionary" option within the NVDA menu, within Settings ->
Speech dictionaries. The gesture is fine, but requires people to read
the docs before they can use it. Rather than it just showing up where
they expect it to.

Regards,

James Scholes

On 29/04/2020 at 2:27 pm, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello friends!


Application Dictionary
Informations
• Authors: Ricardo M. Leonarczyk and Rui Fontes
• Version: 1.3
• Download stable version <https://github.com/ruifontes/applicationDictionary-/releases/download/1.3/applicationDictionary-1.3.nvda-addon>
• Compatibility: NVDA: 2019.1 to 2020.1


Usage

This simple add-on makes possible to create application-specific dictionaries for NVDA.
To use the add-on, just go to the application for wich you want a dictionary for, and press NVDA+shift+p. The normal NVDA dictionary dialog will open for you to add entries valid only for the active application (the application name should appear in the dialog title). The default add-on shortcut can be changed through NVDA's input gestures dialog: under configuration node, expand the node that says "Shows the application-specific dictionary dialog".
Command

"NVDA+Shift+p": Shows the application-specific dictionary dialog


Rui Fontes and Ricardo M. Leonarczyk



In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or
Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG


Re: Difference between codefactory and Tiflotecnia Vocalizer

Jesse Farquharson
 

Hello,

See below for a comment posted on a thread very similar to this one.

 For NVDA 2019.3.1 or posterior, use the driver found at: https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.1.nvda-addon 

I'm not sure where the voices are found, though. The ones I have work, but were on the same website that you went to. If there are voices on the link I posted above, how to get to them is at best unclear because this website doesn't appear to be available in english.


Re: NVDA remote?

luke scholey
 

This is the specific download page, give it a read and it should give you the instructions.

Luke

On 3 May 2020, at 19:50, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:



I don’t see how to download it from that site.  Am I missing something?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of luke scholey
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote?

 

From the following:

https://nvdaremote.com/

 

Luke

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: 03 May 2020 18:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA remote?

 

Hi, where do you download the NVDA remote addon?


Re: Difference between codefactory and Tiflotecnia Vocalizer

luke scholey
 

It does seem silly. This is why I’ve got so many questions. Do you know where I can find the driver?
Luke

On 3 May 2020, at 19:34, Jesse Farquharson <jesse100rules@...> wrote:



Their website is strange. For some reason, the driver for Python 3 eloquence is located somewhere else entirely. You're not the first person to be tripped up by this, and you won't be the last. I'm a bit confused and surprised as to why they did things that way.


Re: Release of add-on applicationDictionary

Ron Kolesar
 

Many thanks.
I just down loaded this NVDA Add on for adding dictionary files.
Many Thanks.
Ron KR3DOG
 

From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 15:27
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io ; nvda-translations@groups.io ; nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Release of add-on applicationDictionary
 

Hello friends!

 

Application Dictionary
Informations
• Authors: Ricardo M. Leonarczyk and Rui Fontes
• Version: 1.3
• Download stable version
• Compatibility: NVDA: 2019.1 to 2020.1

 

Usage

This simple add-on makes possible to create application-specific dictionaries for NVDA.
To use the add-on, just go to the application for wich you want a dictionary for, and press NVDA+shift+p. The normal NVDA dictionary dialog will open for you to add entries valid only for the active application (the application name should appear in the dialog title). The default add-on shortcut can be changed through NVDA's input gestures dialog: under configuration node, expand the node that says "Shows the application-specific dictionary dialog".
Command

"NVDA+Shift+p": Shows the application-specific dictionary dialog

 

Rui Fontes and Ricardo M. Leonarczyk

In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG


Re: Converting JAWS Dictionaries

 

Again, from the one person I've done a conversion for, the report is that it worked for some words/phrases but for a few it didn't.  Until or unless I can get enough test cases, and those who get the conversions back and put them in can report what's not working so I can attempt to figure out why, there's not much more I can do.

I do not code in Python, so I won't be doing this as an NVDA add-on.  Given the nature of what's needed, a stand-alone utility (which is what I've tried to create) should be fine, anyway, as this is generally a "one and done" event for a JAWS dictionary to be converted for appending to the appropriate NVDA dictionary.  As the utility currently stands, it will only handle language agnostic JAWS dictionaries reliably.  That means the language for the given word/phrase is not specified.  It's a simple pattern match.

I will not distribute the results to others as far as the code goes until I'm satisfied that I have something that "is bulletproof" and I don't have that yet and can't get there without test cases.

So, if you have dictionaries that are language agnostic that you'd like converted get in touch with me privately and we can work together.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Release of add-on applicationDictionary

Ron Kolesar
 

It also would be nice to be able to back up the dictionary files as well.
Ron KR3DOG

-----Original Message-----
From: James Scholes
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 10:39
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io ; nvda-translations@groups.io ; nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] [nvda-addons] Release of add-on application Dictionary

Looks good. I think it would be helpful, and relatively easy, to add an
"Application dictionary" option within the NVDA menu, within Settings ->
Speech dictionaries. The gesture is fine, but requires people to read
the docs before they can use it. Rather than it just showing up where
they expect it to.

Regards,

James Scholes

On 29/04/2020 at 2:27 pm, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello friends!


Application Dictionary
Informations
• Authors: Ricardo M. Leonarczyk and Rui Fontes
• Version: 1.3
• Download stable version <https://github.com/ruifontes/applicationDictionary-/releases/download/1.3/applicationDictionary-1.3.nvda-addon>
• Compatibility: NVDA: 2019.1 to 2020.1


Usage

This simple add-on makes possible to create application-specific dictionaries for NVDA.
To use the add-on, just go to the application for wich you want a dictionary for, and press NVDA+shift+p. The normal NVDA dictionary dialog will open for you to add entries valid only for the active application (the application name should appear in the dialog title). The default add-on shortcut can be changed through NVDA's input gestures dialog: under configuration node, expand the node that says "Shows the application-specific dictionary dialog".
Command

"NVDA+Shift+p": Shows the application-specific dictionary dialog


Rui Fontes and Ricardo M. Leonarczyk



In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG


Re: Converting JAWS Dictionaries

Ron Kolesar
 

I too agree.
I have several different JAWS dictionary folders, and since I’m now learning NVDA, it would be nice to have NVDA pronounce words correctly.
Many Thanks.
Ron KR3DOG
 

From: Bernd Dorer
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 14:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Converting JAWS Dictionaries
 
Hi, may someone could write this as an Add-on for NVDA? This would be really cool!


kind regards
Bernd
Am 23.04.2020 um 19:52 schrieb Brian Vogel:
Pele,

           If you happen to know Linux/Unix, the awk command will be very easy to use to do the conversion.

A JAWS dictionary line has the fields, in order:  Actual word|Replacement Word|Language (0x09-English)|Synthesizer|Voice|Language (0 is default)|Case sensitive (0 - No, 1 -Yes)
For the JAWS dictionary, the fields themselves are DOT enclosed/separated, UNLESS, the actual word starts with a dot, in which case it's a comma used for the separator.

The NVDA dictionary file layout is simpler, and the fields are tab separated.  The first field does not have a separator before it.  They are arranged as:
Matching word or regular expression|Replacement|Case Sensitivity (0 - no, 1 - yes)|Type (2 - Whole Word, 1 - Regular Expression, 0 - Anywhere)|Comment (All comments are pre-pended with a #

For both dictionaries, there is a single entry per line of the file.

Have fun with it.  It doesn't appear to be particularly complicated.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best Whishes,From
Ron Kolesar
Volunteer Certified Licensed Emergency Communications Station
And
Volunteer Certified Licensed Ham Radio Station
With the Call Sign of KR3DOG


Re: NVDA remote?

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

I don’t see how to download it from that site.  Am I missing something?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of luke scholey
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote?

 

From the following:

https://nvdaremote.com/

 

Luke

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: 03 May 2020 18:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA remote?

 

Hi, where do you download the NVDA remote addon?


Re: Difference between codefactory and Tiflotecnia Vocalizer

Don H
 

I do hear maybe a little pitch change with capital letters but it also says the word Capital which I have unchecked in the settings.  To me saying Capital before each capital letter is annoying.

On 5/3/2020 12:56 PM, Greg Wocher wrote:
Hello,
I was just checking to see if the code factory vocalizer did not change pitch for capital letters. It does change pitch for me. I did notice that with certain voices, nathan for example, it worked on some letters but not others. I found that the female voices did do better than the male ones with Karen being the best. I also set the pitch change from 30 to 50.

Greg Wocher


On May 3, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:

I have the code factory vocalizer NVDA addon that I purchased from ATGuys. My only issue with them is the fact that the raise pitch on capital letteers does not work.

On 5/3/2020 6:03 AM, luke scholey wrote:
Hi all

Hope everyone’s safe and well.

Just a quick question, can someone give me a comparison of the Vocalizer (I’m only interested in vocalizer) offerings between the codefactory addon and the Tiflotecnia addon.

I want to know about the quality, responsiveness, number of voices available (they both say the same amount on the website) however Tiflotecnia’s voice page doesn’t seem to offer as many as codefactory, if there’s updates, how easy is that? Do you need to deactivate to do windows updates?

I’m just looking for someone who’s used one or both for a long time who can tell me straight up how they perform.

Thanks for any advice, I know things like this have been covered before, I’ve had a look but they’re spread far and wide over several topics
Luke





Re: Difference between codefactory and Tiflotecnia Vocalizer

Jesse Farquharson
 

Their website is strange. For some reason, the driver for Python 3 eloquence is located somewhere else entirely. You're not the first person to be tripped up by this, and you won't be the last. I'm a bit confused and surprised as to why they did things that way.


Re: Difference between codefactory and Tiflotecnia Vocalizer

luke scholey
 

Gene, I agree with you. I can’t find a demo of the tiflotecnia addon though, and on the vocalizer NVDA website, downloading the driver to test it out results in a compatibility error from NVDA.

Anyone know if they do a demo?
Luke

On 3 May 2020, at 19:19, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm sure both these add-ons have demos. Aside from getting opinions, the best way to determine which you want is to try the demos.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Greg Wocher
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 12:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Difference between codefactory and Tiflotecnia Vocalizer

Hello,
I was just checking to see if the code factory vocalizer did not change pitch for capital letters. It does change pitch for me. I did notice that with certain voices, nathan for example, it worked on some letters but not others. I found that the female voices did do better than the male ones with Karen being the best. I also set the pitch change from 30 to 50.

Greg Wocher


On May 3, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:

I have the code factory vocalizer NVDA addon that I purchased from ATGuys. My only issue with them is the fact that the raise pitch on capital letteers does not work.

On 5/3/2020 6:03 AM, luke scholey wrote:
Hi all

Hope everyone’s safe and well.

Just a quick question, can someone give me a comparison of the Vocalizer (I’m only interested in vocalizer) offerings between the codefactory addon and the Tiflotecnia addon.

I want to know about the quality, responsiveness, number of voices available (they both say the same amount on the website) however Tiflotecnia’s voice page doesn’t seem to offer as many as codefactory, if there’s updates, how easy is that? Do you need to deactivate to do windows updates?

I’m just looking for someone who’s used one or both for a long time who can tell me straight up how they perform.

Thanks for any advice, I know things like this have been covered before, I’ve had a look but they’re spread far and wide over several topics
Luke









Re: Difference between codefactory and Tiflotecnia Vocalizer

Jesse Farquharson
 

They do. But the Code Factory demo never runs. Apparently, it's expired. But I have never run it before. Tried it on multiple computers with the same result.


Re: Difference between codefactory and Tiflotecnia Vocalizer

Gene
 

I'm sure both these add-ons have demos. Aside from getting opinions, the best way to determine which you want is to try the demos.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Wocher
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 12:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Difference between codefactory and Tiflotecnia Vocalizer

Hello,
I was just checking to see if the code factory vocalizer did not change pitch for capital letters. It does change pitch for me. I did notice that with certain voices, nathan for example, it worked on some letters but not others. I found that the female voices did do better than the male ones with Karen being the best. I also set the pitch change from 30 to 50.

Greg Wocher


On May 3, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:

I have the code factory vocalizer NVDA addon that I purchased from ATGuys. My only issue with them is the fact that the raise pitch on capital letteers does not work.

On 5/3/2020 6:03 AM, luke scholey wrote:
Hi all

Hope everyone’s safe and well.

Just a quick question, can someone give me a comparison of the Vocalizer (I’m only interested in vocalizer) offerings between the codefactory addon and the Tiflotecnia addon.

I want to know about the quality, responsiveness, number of voices available (they both say the same amount on the website) however Tiflotecnia’s voice page doesn’t seem to offer as many as codefactory, if there’s updates, how easy is that? Do you need to deactivate to do windows updates?

I’m just looking for someone who’s used one or both for a long time who can tell me straight up how they perform.

Thanks for any advice, I know things like this have been covered before, I’ve had a look but they’re spread far and wide over several topics
Luke





Re: Difference between codefactory and Tiflotecnia Vocalizer

Greg Wocher
 

Hello,
I was just checking to see if the code factory vocalizer did not change pitch for capital letters. It does change pitch for me. I did notice that with certain voices, nathan for example, it worked on some letters but not others. I found that the female voices did do better than the male ones with Karen being the best. I also set the pitch change from 30 to 50.

Greg Wocher

On May 3, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:

I have the code factory vocalizer NVDA addon that I purchased from ATGuys. My only issue with them is the fact that the raise pitch on capital letteers does not work.

On 5/3/2020 6:03 AM, luke scholey wrote:
Hi all

Hope everyone’s safe and well.

Just a quick question, can someone give me a comparison of the Vocalizer (I’m only interested in vocalizer) offerings between the codefactory addon and the Tiflotecnia addon.

I want to know about the quality, responsiveness, number of voices available (they both say the same amount on the website) however Tiflotecnia’s voice page doesn’t seem to offer as many as codefactory, if there’s updates, how easy is that? Do you need to deactivate to do windows updates?

I’m just looking for someone who’s used one or both for a long time who can tell me straight up how they perform.

Thanks for any advice, I know things like this have been covered before, I’ve had a look but they’re spread far and wide over several topics
Luke





Re: Difference between codefactory and Tiflotecnia Vocalizer

Jesse Farquharson
 

Sounds better in what way? I'm curious.

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