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locked Re: How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

Gene
 

First, let's be sure we are talking about the same thing.  I have often seen complaints about the subject line being read when a message is opened in Thunderbird.  Are you talking about that or about the first line of the message body being read?  I can see a justification for requesting that the subject line not be read when a message is opened.  But if your complaint is that the first line of the message body is read, you haven't explained why that is a problem.
 
This behavior, not reading the first line, could be made application specific by the user by using profiles.  But we need to be sure we are talking about the same thing and you need to make a good case for not having the first line of the message body be read if you want the developers to possibly seriously consider adding the feature.
 
Gene

From: Dennis L
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

Gene that is not true!  It could be made to be application specific. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

This isn't just changing how the program responds in this one situation.  the program behaves in this way every time you open a document in any document reading program.  One person or two people by themselves don't make a convincing case for changing this behavior.  And if you change the behavior by providing a don't read any of document automatically feature, what will you substitute in its place?  Think of what it means.  If nothing is spoken, you won't know when a document has opened.  You may not even know the program itself has opened, if you click on a file and nothing is spoken. 

 

I want verification that something has opened and appears to be working properly.  the most efficient way to do that is by having the first line read automatically.  That way, I get information about the first line, which I often want instead of some sort of generic announcement such as program x has opened, document y has opened and reading something like the title of the document. 

 

In short, you would have to come up with something more efficient and more useful than what you are complaining about now if you want a change because I very much doubt most people want such a change or option.  Are you literally asking that nothing be spoken?  That is most unsatisfactory.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 5:12 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

I have seen at least one other person request this feature.  Its clearly not just me who wants this.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 04:35 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:

to read it in your preferred mode by default.

And when, "your preferred method," could be one of who knows how many, it becomes ridiculous to try to implement said preferences.  This may not be one of those cases, but I am discussing a general principle.

There are constant complaints about how complex the preferences settings are for a wide variety of programs, but those complexities are the direct result of trying to allow individual users maximum control over how things work.  And even then, default choices have to be made, none of which satisfy everyone.

There are times when giving no options makes far more sense than giving many, when exiting the default behavior is a single keystroke away.  You (any you) may argue whether that's the case here, and that's perfectly legitimate discussion, but it's very hard to argue the general principle.  Option bloat is a very serious issue to be considered and it's often hard to strike the right balance between "all" or "nothing" that makes most happy.  Everyone will never be happy.
 
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Help on how to change NVDA sounds.

Emmanuel Junaid
 

Recently, people asked how to change the NVDA sounds. I found this helpful tutorial and I feel it is necessary to share.

Hello digital companion!
Do you know that you can change all NVDA sounds or anyone of the sound?
The beautiful part is that you don't need any ready-made sound to do this.
You can use any sound you like and make your NVDA sound unique. Yes it is absolutely achievable!
Just click the link below to learn how it's been done.
Enjoy!

https://youtu.be/ZPNma-SKuOE


locked Re: How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Gene that is not true!  It could be made to be application specific. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

This isn't just changing how the program responds in this one situation.  the program behaves in this way every time you open a document in any document reading program.  One person or two people by themselves don't make a convincing case for changing this behavior.  And if you change the behavior by providing a don't read any of document automatically feature, what will you substitute in its place?  Think of what it means.  If nothing is spoken, you won't know when a document has opened.  You may not even know the program itself has opened, if you click on a file and nothing is spoken. 

 

I want verification that something has opened and appears to be working properly.  the most efficient way to do that is by having the first line read automatically.  That way, I get information about the first line, which I often want instead of some sort of generic announcement such as program x has opened, document y has opened and reading something like the title of the document. 

 

In short, you would have to come up with something more efficient and more useful than what you are complaining about now if you want a change because I very much doubt most people want such a change or option.  Are you literally asking that nothing be spoken?  That is most unsatisfactory.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 5:12 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

I have seen at least one other person request this feature.  Its clearly not just me who wants this.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 04:35 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:

to read it in your preferred mode by default.

And when, "your preferred method," could be one of who knows how many, it becomes ridiculous to try to implement said preferences.  This may not be one of those cases, but I am discussing a general principle.

There are constant complaints about how complex the preferences settings are for a wide variety of programs, but those complexities are the direct result of trying to allow individual users maximum control over how things work.  And even then, default choices have to be made, none of which satisfy everyone.

There are times when giving no options makes far more sense than giving many, when exiting the default behavior is a single keystroke away.  You (any you) may argue whether that's the case here, and that's perfectly legitimate discussion, but it's very hard to argue the general principle.  Option bloat is a very serious issue to be considered and it's often hard to strike the right balance between "all" or "nothing" that makes most happy.  Everyone will never be happy.
 
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Telegram, NVDA and windows 7 users

Stephen
 

For those who continue to use windows 7, is there a telegram app that is friendly with NVDA?
Cheers.


locked Re: How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

Gene
 

This isn't just changing how the program responds in this one situation.  the program behaves in this way every time you open a document in any document reading program.  One person or two people by themselves don't make a convincing case for changing this behavior.  And if you change the behavior by providing a don't read any of document automatically feature, what will you substitute in its place?  Think of what it means.  If nothing is spoken, you won't know when a document has opened.  You may not even know the program itself has opened, if you click on a file and nothing is spoken. 
 
I want verification that something has opened and appears to be working properly.  the most efficient way to do that is by having the first line read automatically.  That way, I get information about the first line, which I often want instead of some sort of generic announcement such as program x has opened, document y has opened and reading something like the title of the document. 
 
In short, you would have to come up with something more efficient and more useful than what you are complaining about now if you want a change because I very much doubt most people want such a change or option.  Are you literally asking that nothing be spoken?  That is most unsatisfactory.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

I have seen at least one other person request this feature.  Its clearly not just me who wants this.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 04:35 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:

to read it in your preferred mode by default.

And when, "your preferred method," could be one of who knows how many, it becomes ridiculous to try to implement said preferences.  This may not be one of those cases, but I am discussing a general principle.

There are constant complaints about how complex the preferences settings are for a wide variety of programs, but those complexities are the direct result of trying to allow individual users maximum control over how things work.  And even then, default choices have to be made, none of which satisfy everyone.

There are times when giving no options makes far more sense than giving many, when exiting the default behavior is a single keystroke away.  You (any you) may argue whether that's the case here, and that's perfectly legitimate discussion, but it's very hard to argue the general principle.  Option bloat is a very serious issue to be considered and it's often hard to strike the right balance between "all" or "nothing" that makes most happy.  Everyone will never be happy.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


New Excel: Nothing Works As It Did Before

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

I use Excel to make database entries into a spreadsheet to keep track of my music and movie collection.  I haven't used it in over a year. I have the Live 365 version of the Microsoft package. Something changed as to importation of data into the tables within a worksheet.

I used to be able to press the hotkeys alt + A, F, T for data, file, text import.  A screen with a security warning would come up and after I pressed enter on the OK button a browse for dialogue would come up and I would import the file.  When the file was in process of loading, the choices were quite straight forward: delimiter, where to import, and other general defaults.

Now when i get past the first step of dismissing the security warning, everything seems jumbled.  I am not sure if this is NVDA/JAWS being confused or if there is something new about Excel that has to be addressed first.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


locked Re: How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

Gene
 

That isn't what is being asked.  The person is complaining about the first line being read automatically when a message opens.  Earlier, the person asked how to stop automatic reading of messages when they open.  People are asking why it matters if the first line is read when a message opens.  They didn't ask why the person wants to make the first change he asked about, not having mail read automatically.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

Hi,

 

Without wishing to sound too glib…choice is the reason why this is desirable.  For example, I prefer cursoring down a mail as it gives me more control over skipping bits I don’t want to hear, eg URLs, rather than wasting time listening to it all!

 

Cheers

Richard Bartholomew

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: 10 May 2020 19:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

No, there is no way. I’m wondering why you ask for it. Purpose of opening a mail is to read it….at least for me.

But feel free to log an issue with NVDA.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 18:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

Is there anyway to prevent this?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

Yup, that’s normal that it reads the first line.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 12:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

That is unchecked in outlook 2016 it still reads the first line.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 6:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

NVDA-Control-B, Alt-S, uncheck it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 01:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

Hi, is there a way to prevent NVDA from automatically reading an outlook message when you open it?  If so how?


Re: Thunderbird 68.8.0: Unwanted Verbosity Is Improved But Not Fixed

Brian Moore
 

Hi  That's a good though that I didn't consider.  Since I never bother with speech dictionaries, I didn't realize that they took regular expressions.  I did know this at one point because I think there was a question about this on the NVDA certification exam when I took it but this is a good idea. Shall experiment.



Contact me on skype: brian.moore
follow me on twitter:
http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123

On 5/10/2020 4:41 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
On Sun, 10 May 2020, Brian Moore wrote:

The other thing which gets announced regardless of status bar state is imap syncing such as "downloading message 6 of 14 in spam" etc. Because I have 4
email accounts, these imap syncing announcements are frequent and interrupt work regularly.
You can probably mute those with a regular expression in a dictionary.
I'm going on your text only; you might have to look at the log or speech viewer to see what the exact text sent to the synth is, but something like this might work for you:

^downloading *message *\d+ * of *\d+ *in.*$

With nothing as the replacement text.

Luke



locked Re: How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 06:12 PM, Dennis L wrote:
Its clearly not just me who wants this.
No, it's not.  So far the "yeas" are 2, and the nays keep increasing.

This will be my last comment.  I'm not saying your wants should not be heard, but I am saying that they appear to be in the distinct minority, and that means they're unlikely to result in any change.

Hareth's comment expresses my personal feeling/opinion on the matter, but better.  My comment to Richard Bartholomew, https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/73646, can stand as a final statement from me that addresses the underlying considerations.

And, again, as has been emphasized elsewhere on this very group over the last several days:  If you have a change you wish to see, then please, file a feature request (for a new or extended feature) or a bug report on NVDA's GitHub.  That's how things actually get rolling, at least when they do get rolling.  The response to any feature request can be either, "No," or, "Not now, and it's a low priority."  Real bugs always get addressed in order of severity.
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locked Re: How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

Hareth
 

I think that defeats the very purpose of a screenreader!
If it wont at least, read's the highlighted line, which is the current 1st line
it won't be a screenreader.
Its like asking the developers to don't show a message when opened for
the sighted people.
The devs would respond to them with
"close your eyes"

with our case it would be:

Well, turn off your screenreader! that's the option, and its available
with a hotkey.
This is one of the strangest request I've seen to date.

TC

On 5/10/20, Dennis L <dennisl1982@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you I am the same way. If I don't want it to read anything it should
give me that option.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
Bartholomew
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 4:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages
in outlook when open them?



Hi,



Without wishing to sound too glib.choice is the reason why this is
desirable. For example, I prefer cursoring down a mail as it gives me more
control over skipping bits I don't want to hear, eg URLs, rather than
wasting time listening to it all!



Cheers

Richard Bartholomew





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: 10 May 2020 19:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages
in outlook when open them?



No, there is no way. I'm wondering why you ask for it. Purpose of opening a
mail is to read it..at least for me.

But feel free to log an issue with NVDA.



Cheers,

Ralf



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 18:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages
in outlook when open them?



Is there anyway to prevent this?



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages
in outlook when open them?



Yup, that's normal that it reads the first line.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 12:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages
in outlook when open them?



That is unchecked in outlook 2016 it still reads the first line.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 6:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages
in outlook when open them?



NVDA-Control-B, Alt-S, uncheck it.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 01:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in
outlook when open them?



Hi, is there a way to prevent NVDA from automatically reading an outlook
message when you open it? If so how?







locked Re: How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

I have seen at least one other person request this feature.  Its clearly not just me who wants this.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 04:35 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:

to read it in your preferred mode by default.

And when, "your preferred method," could be one of who knows how many, it becomes ridiculous to try to implement said preferences.  This may not be one of those cases, but I am discussing a general principle.

There are constant complaints about how complex the preferences settings are for a wide variety of programs, but those complexities are the direct result of trying to allow individual users maximum control over how things work.  And even then, default choices have to be made, none of which satisfy everyone.

There are times when giving no options makes far more sense than giving many, when exiting the default behavior is a single keystroke away.  You (any you) may argue whether that's the case here, and that's perfectly legitimate discussion, but it's very hard to argue the general principle.  Option bloat is a very serious issue to be considered and it's often hard to strike the right balance between "all" or "nothing" that makes most happy.  Everyone will never be happy.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


locked Re: How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 04:35 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:
to read it in your preferred mode by default.
And when, "your preferred method," could be one of who knows how many, it becomes ridiculous to try to implement said preferences.  This may not be one of those cases, but I am discussing a general principle.

There are constant complaints about how complex the preferences settings are for a wide variety of programs, but those complexities are the direct result of trying to allow individual users maximum control over how things work.  And even then, default choices have to be made, none of which satisfy everyone.

There are times when giving no options makes far more sense than giving many, when exiting the default behavior is a single keystroke away.  You (any you) may argue whether that's the case here, and that's perfectly legitimate discussion, but it's very hard to argue the general principle.  Option bloat is a very serious issue to be considered and it's often hard to strike the right balance between "all" or "nothing" that makes most happy.  Everyone will never be happy.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Thunderbird 68.8.0: Unwanted Verbosity Is Improved But Not Fixed

Luke Davis
 

On Sun, 10 May 2020, Brian Moore wrote:

The other thing which gets announced regardless of status bar state is imap syncing such as "downloading message 6 of 14 in spam" etc. Because I have 4
email accounts, these imap syncing announcements are frequent and interrupt work regularly.
You can probably mute those with a regular expression in a dictionary.
I'm going on your text only; you might have to look at the log or speech viewer to see what the exact text sent to the synth is, but something like this might work for you:

^downloading *message *\d+ * of *\d+ *in.*$

With nothing as the replacement text.

Luke


locked Re: How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

Richard Bartholomew
 

  • but what's so difficult about hitting CTRL to shut NVDA up as soon as you open an e-mail message,

Absolutely nothing and is what I do constantly – the control key is one of the most important ones for this reason!  Obviously, the point of opening a message is to read it but, surely, to read it in your preferred mode by default.  However, I shan’t be losing any sleep over this if it’s not implemented since, like you, it’s second nature to me; the only time it’s an irritant is when doing so doesn’t immediately mute the speech which can happen depending, I think, upon the message content.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 10 May 2020 21:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 04:16 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:

Without wishing to sound too glib

Same here, but what's so difficult about hitting CTRL to shut NVDA up as soon as you open an e-mail message, then use whatever navigation method you deem optimal to go through the message from there?  I have to shut up NVDA or JAWS on many occasions, for many reasons, and my reach for CTRL or ESC to accomplish same is almost automatic now.

I, like Ralf, cannot fathom why one would open a message if not to read it.  And what is ideal as far as how its read will vary from person to person.  But the default of "start reading the message" makes a lot of sense, at least to me.
 
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


locked Re: How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Thank you I am the same way.  If I don’t want it to read anything it should give me that option.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Bartholomew
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 4:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

Hi,

 

Without wishing to sound too glib…choice is the reason why this is desirable.  For example, I prefer cursoring down a mail as it gives me more control over skipping bits I don’t want to hear, eg URLs, rather than wasting time listening to it all!

 

Cheers

Richard Bartholomew

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: 10 May 2020 19:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

No, there is no way. I’m wondering why you ask for it. Purpose of opening a mail is to read it….at least for me.

But feel free to log an issue with NVDA.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 18:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

Is there anyway to prevent this?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

Yup, that’s normal that it reads the first line.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 12:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

That is unchecked in outlook 2016 it still reads the first line.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 6:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

NVDA-Control-B, Alt-S, uncheck it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 01:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

Hi, is there a way to prevent NVDA from automatically reading an outlook message when you open it?  If so how?


locked Re: How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 04:16 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:
Without wishing to sound too glib
Same here, but what's so difficult about hitting CTRL to shut NVDA up as soon as you open an e-mail message, then use whatever navigation method you deem optimal to go through the message from there?  I have to shut up NVDA or JAWS on many occasions, for many reasons, and my reach for CTRL or ESC to accomplish same is almost automatic now.

I, like Ralf, cannot fathom why one would open a message if not to read it.  And what is ideal as far as how its read will vary from person to person.  But the default of "start reading the message" makes a lot of sense, at least to me.
 
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Re: did this site change over night?

 

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 04:13 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
This link is for sales related support ONLY!
And if the problem is with their sales website, and it is, then that's who to contact.

I get what they're saying about technical support issues with the range of products and makers they sell.  But you can't consider a flaw in their web presence for sales as anything besides sales related.  If they do, then, well, if you can avoid them for further business then I would.
 
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

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locked Re: How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

Richard Bartholomew
 

Hi,

 

Without wishing to sound too glib…choice is the reason why this is desirable.  For example, I prefer cursoring down a mail as it gives me more control over skipping bits I don’t want to hear, eg URLs, rather than wasting time listening to it all!

 

Cheers

Richard Bartholomew

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: 10 May 2020 19:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

No, there is no way. I’m wondering why you ask for it. Purpose of opening a mail is to read it….at least for me.

But feel free to log an issue with NVDA.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 18:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

Is there anyway to prevent this?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

Yup, that’s normal that it reads the first line.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 12:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

That is unchecked in outlook 2016 it still reads the first line.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 6:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

NVDA-Control-B, Alt-S, uncheck it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 01:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

Hi, is there a way to prevent NVDA from automatically reading an outlook message when you open it?  If so how?


Re: did this site change over night?

Sarah k Alawami
 

And the pot (I mean plot) thickens. Now I remember why I had trouble contacting them. I forgot that they don't actually have a tech support area. In fact it says on their contact page

"This link is for sales related support ONLY! For technical related support you must contact the support of your product directly, you can find the address listed in the respective product page." Not going to work if I'm having trouble with their website. I just sent something to their sales team and I know they will complain at me, but the good thing is this. I did link them to NVDa, again, so we'll see if they can nudge the right people, again.

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On 9 May 2020, at 13:07, Brian Vogel wrote:

Yes, it did, and the idiots that redid the site used an unlabeled button, with the icon of an abstract person's head and shoulders, as the account button.  What's even weirder is that once I click on it, and expand it, I can't seem to enter in to the expanded fields, which include where you enter your e-mail address and password.

I remember playing with this site not long ago when you were asking about it then, and I know that button was a text button labeled, "Account."

Just FYI, if I start using the b shortcut, it's the second button.  The first reads "clickable button" and is the search button.  The second, which reads simply "button" is the account button.
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

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Re: Thunderbird 68.8.0: Unwanted Verbosity Is Improved But Not Fixed

David Goldfield
 

I did remember to mention it in the bug which I just filed in Bugzilla.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 5/10/2020 9:12 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi David,

I do get all three of these issues, but they are of minor concern to me.  The one thing you didn't mention is the reading of the underlying address when you tab to or arrow to a clickable link in an open message.  This is really annoying to me and happens one hundred percent of the time.


On 5/10/2020 3:27 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
Hello.

The release notes for TB 68.8.0 indicates that the extra messages heard by screen readers has been addressed. While the situation may have improved I don't believe that this issue has been totally addressed.

1. When pressing enter to open a message NVDA begins to announce something which sounds like "loading message" but the announcement is usually cut off fairly quickly. I suspect that this could be happening more on slower machines.

2. When a message that I am composing is being automatically saved to my drafts folder the status message indicating this is clearly being announced, as in "copying message to drafts folder." Should this be happening?

3. When I press ctrl-enter to send a message I sometimes hear the beginning of a status announcement but it gets cut off very quickly and I'm not able to determine what it's trying to tell me. I guess I should load the speech viewer to better capture some of what is being announced but I don't recall hearing any of this information prior to this problem initially being introduced.



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