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Re: Crashes in Word and Outlook

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Hello,
Are you getting the same symptoms when starting NVDA without any addons?
And also please make sure you disable in NVDA settings/Advance Use UI Automation to access Microsoft Word document controls when available.


Cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Miele
Sent: Mittwoch, 24. Juni 2020 21:07
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Crashes in Word and Outlook

Folks:


I'm new to this list, but I've been using NVDA as my exclusive Windows screen reader for about 8 years.


I'm in a new work environment where I practically live in outlook, and
I'm finding that I experience frequent freezes when composing emails,
particularly when highlighting or deleting. The screen reader goes
silent and doesn't come back, even if I wait a very long time.


The only way to recover is to go to the desktop with Windows+M and
restart NVDA with ctrl+alt+N. NVDA almost always restarts after a 20-30
second delay with an error sound concurrent with the NVDA startup sound.


When I return to Outlook the email I was composing is *sometimes* still
there, but it is frequently gon -- disappeared from the world without a
trace in Drafts or Trash.


This can happen as frequently as every few minutes, or sometimes goes
for hours without happening. I'm unable to pin it to any particular
situation or constellation of other concurrent activities.


I experience a similar problem in MS Word, also while highlighting or
deleting. Again, the file is sometimes there when I restart NVDA, but it
is just as likely to be recovered from the last time I saved it...


Needless to say, this is extremely frustrating and is terrible for my
productivity and mental well being.


I am using Version 2020.1, but this problem was present and even worse
in prior versions. In the current version I'm usually able to restart
NVDA from the desktop with the keyboard shortcut. In prior versions the
only way to recover was to restart my computer.


I have searched the web and the archive of this list to see if others
have experienced this, but I'm coming up mostly empty. From the issues
list on Github, it looks like this has happened to other folks in much
older versions, but it's marked as closed.


Any insights or help with this will be most gratefully appreciated.


Best!


--JAMM


Re: Crashes in Word and Outlook

Roberto Perez
 

You will be able to work, but not efficiently. If you are working with someone in a word document, for example, having to copy over to Notepad just to edit something means you will end up loosing the formatting and having to work extra. I sometimes go around the issue by simply turning on Narrator to finish what I am doing after NVDA crashes but the system often becomes unstable and rebooting is the only option.

Thank you

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 3:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Crashes in Word and Outlook

This may not meet your needs, but for now, can you write the reply in Notepad, then copy and paste the text into Outlook?

Others may be able to tell you how to find the problem, perhaps by looking at the NVDA log, but if this meets your needs for now, you will be able to work efficiently.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Miele
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:06 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Crashes in Word and Outlook

Folks:


I'm new to this list, but I've been using NVDA as my exclusive Windows screen reader for about 8 years.


I'm in a new work environment where I practically live in outlook, and I'm finding that I experience frequent freezes when composing emails, particularly when highlighting or deleting. The screen reader goes silent and doesn't come back, even if I wait a very long time.


The only way to recover is to go to the desktop with Windows+M and restart NVDA with ctrl+alt+N. NVDA almost always restarts after a 20-30 second delay with an error sound concurrent with the NVDA startup sound.


When I return to Outlook the email I was composing is *sometimes* still there, but it is frequently gon -- disappeared from the world without a trace in Drafts or Trash.


This can happen as frequently as every few minutes, or sometimes goes for hours without happening. I'm unable to pin it to any particular situation or constellation of other concurrent activities.


I experience a similar problem in MS Word, also while highlighting or deleting. Again, the file is sometimes there when I restart NVDA, but it is just as likely to be recovered from the last time I saved it...


Needless to say, this is extremely frustrating and is terrible for my productivity and mental well being.


I am using Version 2020.1, but this problem was present and even worse in prior versions. In the current version I'm usually able to restart NVDA from the desktop with the keyboard shortcut. In prior versions the only way to recover was to restart my computer.


I have searched the web and the archive of this list to see if others have experienced this, but I'm coming up mostly empty. From the issues list on Github, it looks like this has happened to other folks in much older versions, but it's marked as closed.


Any insights or help with this will be most gratefully appreciated.


Best!


--JAMM


Re: Crashes in Word and Outlook

Gene
 

This may not meet your needs, but for now, can you write the reply in Notepad, then copy and paste the text into Outlook?

Others may be able to tell you how to find the problem, perhaps by looking at the NVDA log, but if this meets your needs for now, you will be able to work efficiently.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Miele
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:06 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Crashes in Word and Outlook

Folks:


I'm new to this list, but I've been using NVDA as my exclusive Windows
screen reader for about 8 years.


I'm in a new work environment where I practically live in outlook, and
I'm finding that I experience frequent freezes when composing emails,
particularly when highlighting or deleting. The screen reader goes
silent and doesn't come back, even if I wait a very long time.


The only way to recover is to go to the desktop with Windows+M and
restart NVDA with ctrl+alt+N. NVDA almost always restarts after a 20-30
second delay with an error sound concurrent with the NVDA startup sound.


When I return to Outlook the email I was composing is *sometimes* still
there, but it is frequently gon -- disappeared from the world without a
trace in Drafts or Trash.


This can happen as frequently as every few minutes, or sometimes goes
for hours without happening. I'm unable to pin it to any particular
situation or constellation of other concurrent activities.


I experience a similar problem in MS Word, also while highlighting or
deleting. Again, the file is sometimes there when I restart NVDA, but it
is just as likely to be recovered from the last time I saved it...


Needless to say, this is extremely frustrating and is terrible for my
productivity and mental well being.


I am using Version 2020.1, but this problem was present and even worse
in prior versions. In the current version I'm usually able to restart
NVDA from the desktop with the keyboard shortcut. In prior versions the
only way to recover was to restart my computer.


I have searched the web and the archive of this list to see if others
have experienced this, but I'm coming up mostly empty. From the issues
list on Github, it looks like this has happened to other folks in much
older versions, but it's marked as closed.


Any insights or help with this will be most gratefully appreciated.


Best!


--JAMM


Re: SentenceNav addon doesn't work properly in Notepad++

 

For any Add-On where the developer wishes to make themselves known, the easiest way to get their contact information is in NVDA Add-Ons Manager.

Hit NVDA+N,T,A,Enter.  Add-Ons Manager Opens.  Navigate to the Add-On for which you need to contact the Author.  The Author is the last column, and virtually always includes the e-mail address.  You can also activate the About Add-On button for that add-on and the same information is presented as part of the about dialog text.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Crashes in Word and Outlook

Roberto Perez
 

Jamm, I can fully identify with the situation you are describing. I can only add that, at least for me, the problem seems to be worse if I am using a braille display, and most of the times I have to fully reboot the computer to get back to a stable situation.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Miele
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 3:07 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Crashes in Word and Outlook

Folks:


I'm new to this list, but I've been using NVDA as my exclusive Windows screen reader for about 8 years.


I'm in a new work environment where I practically live in outlook, and
I'm finding that I experience frequent freezes when composing emails,
particularly when highlighting or deleting. The screen reader goes
silent and doesn't come back, even if I wait a very long time.


The only way to recover is to go to the desktop with Windows+M and
restart NVDA with ctrl+alt+N. NVDA almost always restarts after a 20-30
second delay with an error sound concurrent with the NVDA startup sound.


When I return to Outlook the email I was composing is *sometimes* still
there, but it is frequently gon -- disappeared from the world without a
trace in Drafts or Trash.


This can happen as frequently as every few minutes, or sometimes goes
for hours without happening. I'm unable to pin it to any particular
situation or constellation of other concurrent activities.


I experience a similar problem in MS Word, also while highlighting or
deleting. Again, the file is sometimes there when I restart NVDA, but it
is just as likely to be recovered from the last time I saved it...


Needless to say, this is extremely frustrating and is terrible for my
productivity and mental well being.


I am using Version 2020.1, but this problem was present and even worse
in prior versions. In the current version I'm usually able to restart
NVDA from the desktop with the keyboard shortcut. In prior versions the
only way to recover was to restart my computer.


I have searched the web and the archive of this list to see if others
have experienced this, but I'm coming up mostly empty. From the issues
list on Github, it looks like this has happened to other folks in much
older versions, but it's marked as closed.


Any insights or help with this will be most gratefully appreciated.


Best!


--JAMM


Re: SentenceNav addon doesn't work properly in Notepad++

Daniel Damacena
 

Version 2.5 does not have any problem of this kind, interestingly.
How can we get in touch with the developer?
Thanks!

Em qua., 24 de jun. de 2020 às 11:59, harshad solanki <harsol257@...> escreveu:

facing the same

On 24/06/2020, Daniel Damacena <danieldamacena.ma@...> wrote:
> The same happens here. In notepad from windows it takes a long time to work
> too.
>
> Em ter., 23 de jun. de 2020 às 15:27, blago blago via groups.io <blago37=
> mail.ru@groups.io> escreveu:
>
>> Hello! When i press Alt+Up addon don't go to previous sentence. Maybe i
>> should check some settings in notepad++?





--
Daniel Damacena


Crashes in Word and Outlook

Josh Miele
 

Folks:


I'm new to this list, but I've been using NVDA as my exclusive Windows screen reader for about 8 years.


I'm in a new work environment where I practically live in outlook, and I'm finding that I experience frequent freezes when composing emails, particularly when highlighting or deleting. The screen reader goes silent and doesn't come back, even if I wait a very long time.


The only way to recover is to go to the desktop with Windows+M and restart NVDA with ctrl+alt+N. NVDA almost always restarts after a 20-30 second delay with an error sound concurrent with the NVDA startup sound.


When I return to Outlook the email I was composing is *sometimes* still there, but it is frequently gon -- disappeared from the world without a trace in Drafts or Trash.


This can happen as frequently as every few minutes, or sometimes goes for hours without happening. I'm unable to pin it to any particular situation or constellation of other concurrent activities.


I experience a similar problem in MS Word, also while highlighting or deleting. Again, the file is sometimes there when I restart NVDA, but it is just as likely to be recovered from the last time I saved it...


Needless to say, this is extremely frustrating and is terrible for my productivity and mental well being.


I am using Version 2020.1, but this problem was present and even worse in prior versions. In the current version I'm usually able to restart NVDA from the desktop with the keyboard shortcut. In prior versions the only way to recover was to restart my computer.


I have searched the web and the archive of this list to see if others have experienced this, but I'm coming up mostly empty. From the issues list on Github, it looks like this has happened to other folks in much older versions, but it's marked as closed.


Any insights or help with this will be most gratefully appreciated.


Best!


--JAMM


Re: speaking commands

Gene
 

JAWS has the same sort of abilities working in What it calls frames. If you issue a defined command in a frame, you can designate that all sorts of actions follow and the order in which they occur.

I have never seen an explanation of why NVDA doesn't have such a system. There may be technical reasons but NVDA will never meet many users' needs as well as JAWS unless it has the ability for user definable functions of this sort.

There are many times when more advanced users or those working with users need to define such behaviors and can't. While NVDA meets a lot of users' needs now, this is a serious deficiency.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan COHN
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 10:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking commands



That was a nice feature of WindowEyes, one could create side effects for keys bound to a function, so that either prior to or after the primary function ran, other events could occur including speaking or routing focus to the best place. This was a menu driven type system, that required no programming skills to implement.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking commands



External email alert: Be wary of links & attachments.



And, it is not so difficult to implement my suggestion:

1 - Typable keys, including letters, numbers, accents, like accut, grabv, tilde, circunflex, diaresis and so on, and enter;

2 - Arrow keys;

3 - Command keys, all other keys.



After that, close all tickets about this.

If after that, someone reopens or create new tickets, the solution can be evaluated again...



Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team







Às 15:05 de 24/06/2020, David Griffith escreveu:





I agree absolutely – it never made any sense at all to me that people who needed assistance with locating control keys would inevitably also have similar problems locating and using the routine cursor keys.

It seemed a bizarre design assumption from the first to compel noisy feedback from every push of a cursor key if you wanted to avail yourself of reassurance with the use of a control key like alt or control etc.

David Griffith

David Griffith





Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Rui Fontes
Sent: 24 June 2020 01:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking commands





Hello!



Have you seen the implementation made by paulber in his add-on NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin?



I have already gave suggestions in this issue.

Reading the issue, most people agree that arrow keys should be treated differently from other command keys...



And one of my suggestions have benn backed up by two or three other participants in the issue...



Regards,



Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team



Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team







Às 00:17 de 24/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:



Rui,







There has been discussion on this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6553







Much of the issue is that everyone has different ideas on the best way forward for this. If anyone has new ideas, then do, please comment on that issue.







Quentin.







On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:12 PM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com> wrote:



Quentin, have you already tried to work with NVDA in those conditions?



NVDA needs, urgently, a way to filter some keypresses from being announced...



See issues #5484, #5608 and many more..



Rui Fontes







Às 04:34 de 23/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:



If you press NVDA+4, or toggle "Speak command keys" in NVDA's keyboard settings, it will speak keys such as ENTER or CONTROL+S.







NVDA doesn't automatically know that CONTROL+S is save, so it generally won't automatically announce that, however if the keystroke brings up something like a save dialog, then that would be announced (for instance the first time you press control+s in a new document in Word).







Not directly related to control+s, but there is a "clipspeak" add-on which will report the functions of some keys such as control+c (Copy) and control+v (paste) where they perform those functions: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html







Kind regards







Quentin.







On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:17 PM Grant Metcalf <the.gems@att.net> wrote:



I am hoping that sometime soon the NVDA developers will have NVDA speak commands such as “control-save”. I am always in doubt if I have been able to save the file I am working on. Mostly I use the text editor Notepad and very occasionally Wordpad for “RTF” files. Granpa DOS would appreciate all efforts the developers would exert toward making the very basic commands speak!



Cordially yours.







Listening for HIS shout!



Grant Metcalf















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Training and Support Manager







Web: www.nvaccess.org



Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/



Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/



User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda



Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess












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Web: www.nvaccess.org



Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/



Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/



User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda



Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess


locked Re: interested in website where community can work together to build a list of accessible programs?

 

This is something that is often done, for various reasons, in this case the reason would be accessibility.  And since, when it comes to accessibility, things have a tendency to "go both ways," previously inaccessible becoming accessible and vice versa, it could be useful if it gained traction and were maintained.  Mr. Kingett's statement is echoed by myself in that it goes without saying that all software must be 100% legal.  There has already been one group formerly hosted on Groups.io that got shut down because the majority of their traffic was the discussion of cracked software.

That being said, this topic is not specifically about NVDA at all.  If any further discussion is desired, please start a separate topic on the Chat Subgroup.  This topic is now locked.
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locked Re: interested in website where community can work together to build a list of accessible programs?

 

Would be a lot better than that github wiki page. As long as it's legal, I'll take part in it. No posting cracked software, etc.


locked interested in website where community can work together to build a list of accessible programs?

Christopher Pross
 

Hi huys,

a simple question, would you use a website, which allows you to post a program, which is accessible and rate other posts from other users? This programs would be categoriesed and would have a download link and so on.

Or do you don't like such a concept?


Re: nvda add-on for internet download manager

 

You're using the wrong program. Use Pontes Media Downloader. http://www.pontes.ro/en/scripts/


Re: Navigating a Word Document with Editable Fields?

Jonathan COHN
 

First off, did you verify that the document was not protected? Everytime I see a protected Word document I think of the play Camelot, where they say FIE on this FIE on that  so to take a document out of protected mode press alt followed by F followed by I followed by E.  (File Info Enable Editting )

It has been a long time since I saw a word form, and I understand that the areas you are not supposed to edit will be read-only, but should be readble with the review cursor.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 4:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Navigating a Word Document with Editable Fields?

External email alert: Be wary of links & attachments.

Hello,

I am unable to navigate this attached word document with NVDA. Does anyone know NVDA settings or word settings I can do to make this document readable?

Here are the problems:

1.       I am unable to press left or right arrow keys, or ctrl+left or ctrl+right arrow keys to move through each row.

2.       I am unable to erase content after typing it without arrowing down, out of the box, then arrowing back into the box

3.       The text in between the tables is not read by NVDA

4.       Using table navigation commands doesn't seem to work properly, from column 2, I am unable to move to column 1.

5.       When arrowing through the table, I sometimes get stuck in an endless loop, around the check boxes

6.       Arrowing up and down doesn't seem to always show the same content I just past.

Thank you,

 


Re: speaking commands

Jonathan COHN
 

That was a nice feature of WindowEyes, one could create side effects for keys bound to a function, so that either prior to or after the primary function ran, other events could occur including speaking or routing focus to the best place. This was a menu driven type system, that required no programming skills to implement.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking commands

External email alert: Be wary of links & attachments.

And, it is not so difficult to implement my suggestion:

1 - Typable keys, including letters, numbers, accents, like accut, grabv, tilde, circunflex, diaresis and so on, and enter;

2 - Arrow keys;

3 - Command keys, all other keys.

 

After that, close all tickets about this.

If after that, someone reopens or create new tickets, the solution can be evaluated again...

 

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

 

Às 15:05 de 24/06/2020, David Griffith escreveu:

 

I agree absolutely – it never made any sense at all to me that people who needed assistance with locating control keys would inevitably also have similar problems locating and using the routine cursor keys.

It seemed a bizarre design assumption from the  first to compel noisy feedback from every push of a cursor key if you wanted to  avail yourself of reassurance with the use of a control key like alt or control etc.

David Griffith

David Griffith

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rui Fontes
Sent: 24 June 2020 01:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking commands

 

Hello!

 

Have you seen the implementation made by paulber in his add-on NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin?

 

I have already gave suggestions in this issue.

Reading the issue, most people agree that arrow keys should be treated differently from other command keys...

 

And one of my suggestions have benn backed up by two or three other participants in the issue...

 

Regards,

 

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

 

Às 00:17 de 24/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Rui,

 

There has been discussion on this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6553

 

Much of the issue is that everyone has different ideas on the best way forward for this.  If anyone has new ideas, then do, please comment on that issue.

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:12 PM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:

Quentin, have you already tried to work with NVDA in those conditions?

 

NVDA needs, urgently, a way to filter some keypresses from being announced...

 

See issues #5484, #5608 and many more..

 

Rui Fontes

 

 

Às 04:34 de 23/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

If you press NVDA+4, or toggle "Speak command keys" in NVDA's keyboard settings, it will speak keys such as ENTER or CONTROL+S.

 

NVDA doesn't automatically know that CONTROL+S is save, so it generally won't automatically announce that, however if the keystroke brings up something like a save dialog, then that would be announced (for instance the first time you press control+s in a new document in Word).

 

Not directly related to control+s, but there is a "clipspeak" add-on which will report the functions of some keys such as control+c (Copy) and control+v (paste) where they perform those functions: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:17 PM Grant Metcalf <the.gems@...> wrote:

I am hoping that sometime soon the NVDA developers will have NVDA speak commands such as “control-save”. I am always in doubt if I have been able to save the file I am working on. Mostly I use the text editor Notepad and very occasionally Wordpad for “RTF” files. Granpa DOS would appreciate all efforts the developers would exert toward making the very basic commands speak!

Cordially yours.

 

Listening for HIS shout!

Grant Metcalf

 

 

 

--

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Training and Support Manager

 

 

 

--

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Training and Support Manager

 

 


Re: SentenceNav addon doesn't work properly in Notepad++

harshad solanki
 

facing the same

On 24/06/2020, Daniel Damacena <danieldamacena.ma@gmail.com> wrote:
The same happens here. In notepad from windows it takes a long time to work
too.

Em ter., 23 de jun. de 2020 às 15:27, blago blago via groups.io <blago37=
mail.ru@groups.io> escreveu:

Hello! When i press Alt+Up addon don't go to previous sentence. Maybe i
should check some settings in notepad++?


Re: speaking commands

Rui Fontes
 

And, it is not so difficult to implement my suggestion:

1 - Typable keys, including letters, numbers, accents, like accut, grabv, tilde, circunflex, diaresis and so on, and enter;

2 - Arrow keys;

3 - Command keys, all other keys.


After that, close all tickets about this.

If after that, someone reopens or create new tickets, the solution can be evaluated again...


Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team



Às 15:05 de 24/06/2020, David Griffith escreveu:

 

I agree absolutely – it never made any sense at all to me that people who needed assistance with locating control keys would inevitably also have similar problems locating and using the routine cursor keys.

It seemed a bizarre design assumption from the  first to compel noisy feedback from every push of a cursor key if you wanted to  avail yourself of reassurance with the use of a control key like alt or control etc.

David Griffith

David Griffith

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rui Fontes
Sent: 24 June 2020 01:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking commands

 

Hello!

 

Have you seen the implementation made by paulber in his add-on NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin?

 

I have already gave suggestions in this issue.

Reading the issue, most people agree that arrow keys should be treated differently from other command keys...

 

And one of my suggestions have benn backed up by two or three other participants in the issue...

 

Regards,

 

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

 

Às 00:17 de 24/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Rui,

 

There has been discussion on this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6553

 

Much of the issue is that everyone has different ideas on the best way forward for this.  If anyone has new ideas, then do, please comment on that issue.

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:12 PM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:

Quentin, have you already tried to work with NVDA in those conditions?

 

NVDA needs, urgently, a way to filter some keypresses from being announced...

 

See issues #5484, #5608 and many more..

 

Rui Fontes

 

 

Às 04:34 de 23/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

If you press NVDA+4, or toggle "Speak command keys" in NVDA's keyboard settings, it will speak keys such as ENTER or CONTROL+S.

 

NVDA doesn't automatically know that CONTROL+S is save, so it generally won't automatically announce that, however if the keystroke brings up something like a save dialog, then that would be announced (for instance the first time you press control+s in a new document in Word).

 

Not directly related to control+s, but there is a "clipspeak" add-on which will report the functions of some keys such as control+c (Copy) and control+v (paste) where they perform those functions: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:17 PM Grant Metcalf <the.gems@...> wrote:

I am hoping that sometime soon the NVDA developers will have NVDA speak commands such as “control-save”. I am always in doubt if I have been able to save the file I am working on. Mostly I use the text editor Notepad and very occasionally Wordpad for “RTF” files. Granpa DOS would appreciate all efforts the developers would exert toward making the very basic commands speak!

Cordially yours.

 

Listening for HIS shout!

Grant Metcalf

 

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

 


Re: speaking commands

David Griffith
 

 

I agree absolutely – it never made any sense at all to me that people who needed assistance with locating control keys would inevitably also have similar problems locating and using the routine cursor keys.

It seemed a bizarre design assumption from the  first to compel noisy feedback from every push of a cursor key if you wanted to  avail yourself of reassurance with the use of a control key like alt or control etc.

David Griffith

David Griffith

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rui Fontes
Sent: 24 June 2020 01:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking commands

 

Hello!

 

Have you seen the implementation made by paulber in his add-on NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin?

 

I have already gave suggestions in this issue.

Reading the issue, most people agree that arrow keys should be treated differently from other command keys...

 

And one of my suggestions have benn backed up by two or three other participants in the issue...

 

Regards,

 

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

 

Às 00:17 de 24/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Rui,

 

There has been discussion on this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6553

 

Much of the issue is that everyone has different ideas on the best way forward for this.  If anyone has new ideas, then do, please comment on that issue.

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:12 PM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:

Quentin, have you already tried to work with NVDA in those conditions?

 

NVDA needs, urgently, a way to filter some keypresses from being announced...

 

See issues #5484, #5608 and many more..

 

Rui Fontes

 

 

Às 04:34 de 23/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

If you press NVDA+4, or toggle "Speak command keys" in NVDA's keyboard settings, it will speak keys such as ENTER or CONTROL+S.

 

NVDA doesn't automatically know that CONTROL+S is save, so it generally won't automatically announce that, however if the keystroke brings up something like a save dialog, then that would be announced (for instance the first time you press control+s in a new document in Word).

 

Not directly related to control+s, but there is a "clipspeak" add-on which will report the functions of some keys such as control+c (Copy) and control+v (paste) where they perform those functions: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:17 PM Grant Metcalf <the.gems@...> wrote:

I am hoping that sometime soon the NVDA developers will have NVDA speak commands such as “control-save”. I am always in doubt if I have been able to save the file I am working on. Mostly I use the text editor Notepad and very occasionally Wordpad for “RTF” files. Granpa DOS would appreciate all efforts the developers would exert toward making the very basic commands speak!

Cordially yours.

 

Listening for HIS shout!

Grant Metcalf

 

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

 


Re: Why does NVDA default to no Braille?

Nightowl <nightowl145@...>
 

Hi,


Yes, this only happens when I restart the machine, not when quitting NVDA, then restarting it from the desktop or its shortcut. Anyway, not a big problem.


Thanks.


Nightowl

On 6/24/2020 10:13 AM, Luke Davis wrote:
Just to be sure I understand: this only happens after you restart the machine?

It doesn't happen if you just restart NVDA?

If the braille display is working, and you completely quit NVDA then restart it from the desktop shortcut or control+alt+n, the braille display will still be working?

Luke
 On Wed, 24 Jun 2020, Nightowl wrote:

Hi,


I am using the latest version of NVDA, and I have saved my settings configuration. My problem of NVDA defaulting to no Braille happens when I shut down my PC then switches it on again. Perhaps there is some conflict between Narrator and NVDA. Anyhow, it's not too much of a problem, just a little annoying having to restart NVDA each time I turn on my PC.


Than you all.


Nightowl



On 6/23/2020 9:25 PM, Gene wrote:
The easiest way to save settings manually is to use the command control NVDA key c.  You will hear an announcement configuration saved, or something very similar.

It is better to turn off automatic saving of settings on exit and save settings manually you intend to keep.  What if Windows unexpectedly shuts down when you are trying settings you don't know if you want to save?  If you have automatic saving of settings enabled, the settings will be saved, whether you want them to be or not.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Samuel Kacer
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Why does NVDA default to no Braille?


Hi, I think the issue is that your NVDA is probably set to not save changes to settings when it shuts down. Whenever you change some settings and you want them to persist in your next session, open nvda menu (NVDA + N), and select the save configuration option  (S). Now your settings should be saved. Test this is so by restarting NVDA and checking if everything is all right.

Also, if you want to use narrator, you don't need to quit NVDA. You can turn on sleep mode for your current application by pressing NVDA + shift + S and NVDA will be disabled for that application. Press the keyboard shortcut to toggle off sleep mode.


On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 2:58 PM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hello.
which version of nvda do you use?
the first sentence about nvda 2018.3 is:
automatic detection of many Braille displays.
so, dont worry. nvda supports your braile display i need.
also, you can refer to the nvda user guide to find more informations
about different braile displays.

On 6/23/20, Nightowl <nightowl145@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

Just joined the group, so  excuse me if this question has been asked
before.

The question is: why does NVDA default to no Braille whenever I start
my computer? I have a Freedom Scientific PM 20 Braille display connected
to my pc via USB. What can I do to have NVDA start with Braille?

Also, if I run Narrator with Braille on, then close Narrator to run
NVDA, NVDA also then starts up with no Braille. How can I get NVDA to
start with Braille without having to go into the Braille setting to
change it to my choice of Braille display?

Thank you,
Nightowl.









Re: Why does NVDA default to no Braille?

Luke Davis
 

Just to be sure I understand: this only happens after you restart the machine?

It doesn't happen if you just restart NVDA?

If the braille display is working, and you completely quit NVDA then restart it from the desktop shortcut or control+alt+n, the braille display will still be working?

Luke

On Wed, 24 Jun 2020, Nightowl wrote:

Hi,


I am using the latest version of NVDA, and I have saved my settings configuration. My problem of NVDA defaulting to no Braille happens when I shut down my PC then switches it on again. Perhaps there is some conflict between Narrator and NVDA. Anyhow, it's not too much of a problem, just a little annoying having to restart NVDA each time I turn on my PC.


Than you all.


Nightowl



On 6/23/2020 9:25 PM, Gene wrote:
The easiest way to save settings manually is to use the command control NVDA key c.  You will hear an announcement configuration saved, or something very similar.
It is better to turn off automatic saving of settings on exit and save settings manually you intend to keep.  What if Windows unexpectedly shuts down when you are trying settings you don't know if you want to save?  If you have automatic saving of settings enabled, the settings will be saved, whether you want them to be or not.
Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Samuel Kacer
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Why does NVDA default to no Braille?
Hi, I think the issue is that your NVDA is probably set to not save changes to settings when it shuts down. Whenever you change some settings and you want them to persist in your next session, open nvda menu (NVDA + N), and select the save configuration option  (S). Now your settings should be saved. Test this is so by restarting NVDA and checking if everything is all right.
Also, if you want to use narrator, you don't need to quit NVDA. You can turn on sleep mode for your current application by pressing NVDA + shift + S and NVDA will be disabled for that application. Press the keyboard shortcut to toggle off sleep mode.
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 2:58 PM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hello.
which version of nvda do you use?
the first sentence about nvda 2018.3 is:
automatic detection of many Braille displays.
so, dont worry. nvda supports your braile display i need.
also, you can refer to the nvda user guide to find more informations
about different braile displays.
On 6/23/20, Nightowl <nightowl145@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Just joined the group, so  excuse me if this question has been asked
before.
The question is: why does NVDA default to no Braille whenever I start
my computer? I have a Freedom Scientific PM 20 Braille display connected
to my pc via USB. What can I do to have NVDA start with Braille?
Also, if I run Narrator with Braille on, then close Narrator to run
NVDA, NVDA also then starts up with no Braille. How can I get NVDA to
start with Braille without having to go into the Braille setting to
change it to my choice of Braille display?
Thank you,
Nightowl.


Re: Why does NVDA default to no Braille?

Nightowl <nightowl145@...>
 

Hi,


I am using the latest version of NVDA, and I have saved my settings configuration. My problem of NVDA defaulting to no Braille happens when I shut down my PC then switches it on again. Perhaps there is some conflict between Narrator and NVDA. Anyhow, it's not too much of a problem, just a little annoying having to restart NVDA each time I turn on my PC.


Than you all.


Nightowl

On 6/23/2020 9:25 PM, Gene wrote:
The easiest way to save settings manually is to use the command control NVDA key c.  You will hear an announcement configuration saved, or something very similar.

It is better to turn off automatic saving of settings on exit and save settings manually you intend to keep.  What if Windows unexpectedly shuts down when you are trying settings you don't know if you want to save?  If you have automatic saving of settings enabled, the settings will be saved, whether you want them to be or not.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Samuel Kacer
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Why does NVDA default to no Braille?


Hi, I think the issue is that your NVDA is probably set to not save changes to settings when it shuts down. Whenever you change some settings and you want them to persist in your next session, open nvda menu (NVDA + N), and select the save configuration option  (S). Now your settings should be saved. Test this is so by restarting NVDA and checking if everything is all right.

Also, if you want to use narrator, you don't need to quit NVDA. You can turn on sleep mode for your current application by pressing NVDA + shift + S and NVDA will be disabled for that application. Press the keyboard shortcut to toggle off sleep mode.


On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 2:58 PM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hello.
which version of nvda do you use?
the first sentence about nvda 2018.3 is:
automatic detection of many Braille displays.
so, dont worry. nvda supports your braile display i need.
also, you can refer to the nvda user guide to find more informations
about different braile displays.

On 6/23/20, Nightowl <nightowl145@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

Just joined the group, so  excuse me if this question has been asked
before.

The question is: why does NVDA default to no Braille whenever I start
my computer? I have a Freedom Scientific PM 20 Braille display connected
to my pc via USB. What can I do to have NVDA start with Braille?

Also, if I run Narrator with Braille on, then close Narrator to run
NVDA, NVDA also then starts up with no Braille. How can I get NVDA to
start with Braille without having to go into the Braille setting to
change it to my choice of Braille display?

Thank you,
Nightowl.






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