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Re: nvda in safe mode

Jackie
 

https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/56683

Having thus said, I don't think it's gonna help, because I believe
that when you use the command line, as in a batch file, then it
bypasses the recycle bin. There's nothing to indicate this is a
problem w/a driver or a service that safe mode would resolve.

I think you need some recovery software. I suggest using another
machine if possible so that writes to the hard drive in question are
kept to a minimum. Enclose it in a USB caddy if possible. Don't try to
recover the files to the drive you're trying to recover, but on a
separate drive. Again, you wanna keep writes to that hard drive to the
bare minimum.

On 1/26/20, Martin McCormick <martin.m@suddenlink.net> wrote:
I had an accident yesterday when a batch file appears to
have deleted all the files in my c:\users\martin directory with
maybe the exception of a few. A del *.* that was supposed to
clean out a single folder deleted everything because it was
supposed to start in 1 specific directory but instead launched on
my whole file tree starting at c:\users\martin.

del /q/f/s *.*

I can log in just fine but if I run the cmd command or
powershell, I start out in c:\windows\system32 so a file that
tells the system my path was one of the casualties.

I know that deleting a file sends it to the recycle bin
so if I can recover those files that were deleted yesterday,
things should be good again but with even minor disasters, things
are all ways served with a touch of nasty sauce.

If I go to c:\users\martin, the directory is there along
with all the subdirectories but they are either all empty or
close to it.

I have opened the recycle bin but haven't found any
buttons that start the process of recovering the files that
should have gone there.

Since I normally work in unix, I have used this Windows
system primarily for it's browsers and to program two-way radios
whose programming software is only found under Windows so there
is about 60 GB out of close to 1 TB that is used.

Apparently, the best way to recover these files is in
Safe mode so my question is Does NVDA or narrator start in Safe
Mode yet?

If there is a way to tell the system to rebuild the lost
part of my home directory, this would do also as most of what was
lost is stuff that came with the installation as there were a
couple of replaceable files in Downloads and everything else was
either self-generated or can be rebuilt fairly easily.

This is no excuse but that is partly why I didn't have a
backup system going yet but was going to set one up very soon.
After this mishap, it will be sooner.

I am running Windows10 1809 with a build number of
1763.9-something

In Safe Mode, one can even use the command line to grab
files out of c:\$Recycle.Bin but when logged in as me, which is
the admin account, one can see $Recycle.Bin but listing it
yields a "File not found" error for the whole directory.

It's amazing what stupid things we can do when a bit
tired and in a hurry.

Martin



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Re: Using Open audible

David Griffith
 

Sorry Pele

I got confused as to which email group I was responding to. I had not realised that you had responded directly to the NVDA group so the information appeared twice.
Anyway it is very helpful.
David Griffith

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pele West
Sent: 26 January 2020 18:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Open audible

Hi David and Everyone

Below are the instructions for installing Open Audible. I did not make a note of who originally posted this information, but I have modified the format of the text slightly.

Pele West

To install using defaults assuming the installation is on the first screen:

1. Run the Open Audible Install File

2. Press <Enter> 3 times after the screen reader has finished reading out a progress bar

3. Press <Tab> 3 times

4. Press <Enter>

5. Wait a minute or so for the files to be copied, then pres <Tab> twice

6. Press <Enter>

OpenAudible should start up.


nvda in safe mode

Martin McCormick
 

I had an accident yesterday when a batch file appears to
have deleted all the files in my c:\users\martin directory with
maybe the exception of a few. A del *.* that was supposed to
clean out a single folder deleted everything because it was
supposed to start in 1 specific directory but instead launched on
my whole file tree starting at c:\users\martin.

del /q/f/s *.*

I can log in just fine but if I run the cmd command or
powershell, I start out in c:\windows\system32 so a file that
tells the system my path was one of the casualties.

I know that deleting a file sends it to the recycle bin
so if I can recover those files that were deleted yesterday,
things should be good again but with even minor disasters, things
are all ways served with a touch of nasty sauce.

If I go to c:\users\martin, the directory is there along
with all the subdirectories but they are either all empty or
close to it.

I have opened the recycle bin but haven't found any
buttons that start the process of recovering the files that
should have gone there.

Since I normally work in unix, I have used this Windows
system primarily for it's browsers and to program two-way radios
whose programming software is only found under Windows so there
is about 60 GB out of close to 1 TB that is used.

Apparently, the best way to recover these files is in
Safe mode so my question is Does NVDA or narrator start in Safe
Mode yet?

If there is a way to tell the system to rebuild the lost
part of my home directory, this would do also as most of what was
lost is stuff that came with the installation as there were a
couple of replaceable files in Downloads and everything else was
either self-generated or can be rebuilt fairly easily.

This is no excuse but that is partly why I didn't have a
backup system going yet but was going to set one up very soon.
After this mishap, it will be sooner.

I am running Windows10 1809 with a build number of
1763.9-something

In Safe Mode, one can even use the command line to grab
files out of c:\$Recycle.Bin but when logged in as me, which is
the admin account, one can see $Recycle.Bin but listing it
yields a "File not found" error for the whole directory.

It's amazing what stupid things we can do when a bit
tired and in a hurry.

Martin


Re: Using Open audible

David Griffith
 

That is very helpful.
Many thanks.
David Griffith

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pele West
Sent: 26 January 2020 18:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Open audible

Hi David and Everyone

Below are the instructions for installing Open Audible. I did not make a note of who originally posted this information, but I have modified the format of the text slightly.

Pele West

To install using defaults assuming the installation is on the first screen:

1. Run the Open Audible Install File

2. Press <Enter> 3 times after the screen reader has finished reading out a progress bar

3. Press <Tab> 3 times

4. Press <Enter>

5. Wait a minute or so for the files to be copied, then pres <Tab> twice

6. Press <Enter>

OpenAudible should start up.


Re: Using Open audible

David Griffith
 

Someone from the British Computer Association of the Blind list has kindly sent me the instructions for installing Open Audible without sight.
I have not installed Open audible myself but I understand that after the initial inaccessible setup the program will work nicely with NVDA.

I copy the information sent to me below.

To install using defaults assuming the installation is on the first screen:

1. Run the Open Audible Install File

2. Press <Enter> 3 times after the screen reader has finished reading out a progress bar

3. Press <Tab> 3 times

4. Press <Enter>

5. Wait a minute or so for the files to be copied, then pres <Tab> twice

6. Press <Enter>

Open Audible should start up.

David Griffith

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith via Groups.Io
Sent: 26 January 2020 18:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Open audible

You can follow this link.
https://openaudible.org/

David Griffith

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dorothea Martin
Sent: 26 January 2020 15:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Open audible

Hello, All,
I'm new to this group, so I have come in on the middle of this thread.
Could you briefly explain to me what Open Audible is? Thanks.
Dotty Martin


Re: Using Open audible

David Griffith
 

You can follow this link.
https://openaudible.org/

David Griffith

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dorothea Martin
Sent: 26 January 2020 15:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Open audible

Hello, All,
I'm new to this group, so I have come in on the middle of this thread.
Could you briefly explain to me what Open Audible is? Thanks.
Dotty Martin


Re: Using Open audible

Pele West
 

Hi David and Everyone

Below are the instructions for installing Open Audible. I did not make a
note of who originally posted this information, but I have modified the
format of the text slightly.

Pele West

To install using defaults assuming the installation is on the first screen:

1. Run the Open Audible Install File

2. Press <Enter> 3 times after the screen reader has finished reading out a progress bar

3. Press <Tab> 3 times

4. Press <Enter>

5. Wait a minute or so for the files to be copied, then pres <Tab> twice

6. Press <Enter>

OpenAudible should start up.


Re: can't play an internet station using waterfox

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I tried microfost edge and it played well once I got past where you have to hit shift f-6 to open the download cycle.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 11:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

Did you try another browser?  Sometimes, you just have to use something else for a reason you may never know.  No one program may meet every need in a certain category of use. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

I don't have an android device.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Oriana
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 8:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

That being said, the stream for Android works for my Android device.

 

On Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 11:27 PM Oriana Neulinger <o.neulinger@...> wrote:

This doesn't display on the html version of the website (typo on the closing bracket of the first horizontal rule, if anyone cares), but above the first line of the website it says "We are currently offline for software updates".

 

On Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 11:21 PM Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

www.thegridfm.com.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

There appear to be a number of URLs that get you to this station.  Could you please share the address you're using?

--

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Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: can't play an internet station using waterfox

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,

 

Thanks for the tip. I have another device I can play it on too.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 11:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

I'm going into detail of how you may approach a problem like this so you may have a better understanding of what to do in future when you encounter such a problem.  Those who are not interested may want to skip this message.  Those interested may find it useful in future.

 

I see no error in the Windows Mediaplayer link.  I pasted it to the clippboard using the copy address submenu function in Chrome and got the following:

 

There are many listen links but, except for the Android devices link, However, they appear to be somehow coded incorrectly.  They cause Chrome to display a save as dialog, at least on my machine.  Others may report what they do on theirs.  I doubt using another browser would solve the problem, though that is generally one of the first gthings I do in such a case.  But, based on the behavior here, I doubt it will help, though I'm not sure. 

Given the odd behavior, the thing to do is the following:

Never believe a site in such a case.  Site developers may not know what they are doing and they may mislabel links in terms of describing what they do.  Try the android devices link.  I pressed enter on it and the stream played in my browser.  In short, the Android devices link is properly configured and will play in a Windows browser.  It may play using android devices as well but, the person who labeled the link as to its purpose didn't know what the link would do and mislabeled the only one that works.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

www.thegridfm.com.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

There appear to be a number of URLs that get you to this station.  Could you please share the address you're using?

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Using Open audible

Dorothea Martin
 

Hello, All,
I'm new to this group, so I have come in on the middle of this thread. Could you briefly explain to me what Open Audible is? Thanks.
Dotty Martin


Re: new version of Edge and setting language Czech

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hi Huriken,

when I press Alt key, nothing happens, Nvda doesn't speak.

The Edge speaks in two languages - English and Czech.

I have found it out when I press tab key.

It's speaking in English immediatly after opening in English, but when I press tap key sometimes to Setting page, this is in Czech.

I would like to have Edge totally in Czech language.


Jarek

Dne 24.01.2020 v 14:30 hurrikennyandopo ... napsal(a):

Hi


It looks as though you have to do a search for it  then the results will come up.


so when the new edge is open press the alt key go down to settings then press the enter key when the next page comes up with the setting in the search box type languages it will then search for those results and give you about 4 of them Under one of them i could do my preferred languages etc or have it set to translate etc for me to another language.


Gene nz


On 24/01/2020 11:46 pm, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:
Hi group,

I would like to know, whether is possible set czech language in the Edge chromium.

I have tried find the setting, but I was unsuccessful.

Do you have an idea, how I could be successful?


Re: Recommendation for free or paid app to convert mp3 to text which is accessible with NVDA

David Griffith
 

Unless things have dramatically changed with Switch - it is an Audio Conversion program and not an Mp3 speech recognition engine which is what is being sought here.

The only Accessible software that I am aware of that provided the functionality of converting mp3 recordings into text transcription was Dragon Naturally Speaking, but this was some time ago and it certainly was not free. I suspect that this functionality is still within the suite.

I notice that there are quite a lot of online tools which claim to help with this now but again I think most are charging for the service and I have no personal experience of using them.

David Griffith


.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrea Sherry
Sent: 26 January 2020 13:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Recommendation for free or paid app to convert mp3 to text which is accessible with NVDA

Perhaps off topic.
However you might try Switch from NCH software.
Andrea

On 27/01/2020 12:17 am, Sim Kah Yong wrote:
Dear all, I have recording of lectures and speeches in MP3 files and I
would like to transcribe them into text. Are there app to help me do
that without me having to listen and transcribe manually? Of course,
the program/app must be accessible. Sorry that this may be off topic,
you can reply me directly. Thank you so much.





Re: can't play an internet station using waterfox

Richard Kuzma
 

Sorry worng email was replyd to.

Sorry.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 9:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

Oki doki, no problem

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 7:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

This should be moved to the NVDA chat list but I'll say that I more or less accomplished the same thing after seeing your message.  I don't think most people would have the technical knowledge to trouble shoot the problem, but I know enough that I was able to after reading your message. 

 

The person who created the web page will probably get so many complaints that he/she may correct the problem but who knows.

 

At any rate, it was interesting using your discussion to allow me to figure out how to make the stream play using an improperly configured link.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Oriana

Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 6:03 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

Incidentally, if anyone is interested in collecting radio stations and switching between them like preprogrammed channels on a digital FM radio, all you need to do is collect the stream urls (the urls encapsulated in files such as live.wax) and enter them each on one line in a text file and save it as a .pls filetype, something like radio.pls . Then when you load it into WMP or VLC, you can flip through radio stations simply by using the "next track" button. However, if any one of the streams change their stream url, the media player will skip that radio station and move on to the next, usually without any kind of dialogue or error.

 

On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 6:39 AM Oriana via Groups.Io <o.neulinger=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Gene,

 

When you attempt to use the .wax file in VLC, it attempts to resolve to the stream url i posted with the character %20 appended to the end. (I don't know that the error displaying this attempt is displayed accessibly, however, which is likely why the end user was unable to troubleshoot.) %20 is url encoding for space, which is not usually appended to the end of urls. To test my theory that the stream url would work without the space, i downloaded the .wax file, which turned out to be a ".pls by any other name", removed the space in my text editing app Quoda, and opened it as a playlist in VLC... and that solved the problem as i expected. I am not familiar with .wax filetype, but it seems it encodes trailing spaces as being part of the url and thus, it was a typo. The "AAC" playlist file is also VLC compatible, at least on my version of VLC, which means the trailing space is not encoded, if it's present, and it's very likely the "Android" playlist file also ignores spaces, playing as designed in my browser. I suspect the same trailing space issue is present in the fourth playlist file, or possibly, given the error code i received, that the url is missing entirely. (After seeing how many other typos and broken tags are in the HTML for the website, the file could contain the entirety of War And Peace without surprising me.)

 

Note: by ".pls by any other name" what i mean is, most online streaming playlists are nothing more than some kind of text file that includes nothing but one or more actual stream url. This is handy for making shortcuts to the radio station, simply download the file and rename it to the radio station, and run it every time you want to listen - your media player (such as VLC, which is free, low-memory, and handles nearly every filetype you can throw at it) will load the stream url automatically. However, I don't understand why there are so many different "filetypes" for the same, standard behavior... all they are is a text document containing a url!

 

 

On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 3:17 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I should also say that trying another browser is still a good idea, but not believing the site and trying the link I discussed is the first thing to do.  it is the easiest, and it may solve the problem, as in this case.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 1:54 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

I'm going into detail of how you may approach a problem like this so you may have a better understanding of what to do in future when you encounter such a problem.  Those who are not interested may want to skip this message.  Those interested may find it useful in future.

 

I see no error in the Windows Mediaplayer link.  I pasted it to the clippboard using the copy address submenu function in Chrome and got the following:

 

There are many listen links but, except for the Android devices link, However, they appear to be somehow coded incorrectly.  They cause Chrome to display a save as dialog, at least on my machine.  Others may report what they do on theirs.  I doubt using another browser would solve the problem, though that is generally one of the first gthings I do in such a case.  But, based on the behavior here, I doubt it will help, though I'm not sure. 

Given the odd behavior, the thing to do is the following:

Never believe a site in such a case.  Site developers may not know what they are doing and they may mislabel links in terms of describing what they do.  Try the android devices link.  I pressed enter on it and the stream played in my browser.  In short, the Android devices link is properly configured and will play in a Windows browser.  It may play using android devices as well but, the person who labeled the link as to its purpose didn't know what the link would do and mislabeled the only one that works.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

www.thegridfm.com.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

There appear to be a number of URLs that get you to this station.  Could you please share the address you're using?

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: can't play an internet station using waterfox

Richard Kuzma
 

Oki doki, no problem

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 7:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

This should be moved to the NVDA chat list but I'll say that I more or less accomplished the same thing after seeing your message.  I don't think most people would have the technical knowledge to trouble shoot the problem, but I know enough that I was able to after reading your message. 

 

The person who created the web page will probably get so many complaints that he/she may correct the problem but who knows.

 

At any rate, it was interesting using your discussion to allow me to figure out how to make the stream play using an improperly configured link.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Oriana

Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 6:03 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

Incidentally, if anyone is interested in collecting radio stations and switching between them like preprogrammed channels on a digital FM radio, all you need to do is collect the stream urls (the urls encapsulated in files such as live.wax) and enter them each on one line in a text file and save it as a .pls filetype, something like radio.pls . Then when you load it into WMP or VLC, you can flip through radio stations simply by using the "next track" button. However, if any one of the streams change their stream url, the media player will skip that radio station and move on to the next, usually without any kind of dialogue or error.

 

On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 6:39 AM Oriana via Groups.Io <o.neulinger=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Gene,

 

When you attempt to use the .wax file in VLC, it attempts to resolve to the stream url i posted with the character %20 appended to the end. (I don't know that the error displaying this attempt is displayed accessibly, however, which is likely why the end user was unable to troubleshoot.) %20 is url encoding for space, which is not usually appended to the end of urls. To test my theory that the stream url would work without the space, i downloaded the .wax file, which turned out to be a ".pls by any other name", removed the space in my text editing app Quoda, and opened it as a playlist in VLC... and that solved the problem as i expected. I am not familiar with .wax filetype, but it seems it encodes trailing spaces as being part of the url and thus, it was a typo. The "AAC" playlist file is also VLC compatible, at least on my version of VLC, which means the trailing space is not encoded, if it's present, and it's very likely the "Android" playlist file also ignores spaces, playing as designed in my browser. I suspect the same trailing space issue is present in the fourth playlist file, or possibly, given the error code i received, that the url is missing entirely. (After seeing how many other typos and broken tags are in the HTML for the website, the file could contain the entirety of War And Peace without surprising me.)

 

Note: by ".pls by any other name" what i mean is, most online streaming playlists are nothing more than some kind of text file that includes nothing but one or more actual stream url. This is handy for making shortcuts to the radio station, simply download the file and rename it to the radio station, and run it every time you want to listen - your media player (such as VLC, which is free, low-memory, and handles nearly every filetype you can throw at it) will load the stream url automatically. However, I don't understand why there are so many different "filetypes" for the same, standard behavior... all they are is a text document containing a url!

 

 

On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 3:17 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I should also say that trying another browser is still a good idea, but not believing the site and trying the link I discussed is the first thing to do.  it is the easiest, and it may solve the problem, as in this case.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 1:54 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

I'm going into detail of how you may approach a problem like this so you may have a better understanding of what to do in future when you encounter such a problem.  Those who are not interested may want to skip this message.  Those interested may find it useful in future.

 

I see no error in the Windows Mediaplayer link.  I pasted it to the clippboard using the copy address submenu function in Chrome and got the following:

 

There are many listen links but, except for the Android devices link, However, they appear to be somehow coded incorrectly.  They cause Chrome to display a save as dialog, at least on my machine.  Others may report what they do on theirs.  I doubt using another browser would solve the problem, though that is generally one of the first gthings I do in such a case.  But, based on the behavior here, I doubt it will help, though I'm not sure. 

Given the odd behavior, the thing to do is the following:

Never believe a site in such a case.  Site developers may not know what they are doing and they may mislabel links in terms of describing what they do.  Try the android devices link.  I pressed enter on it and the stream played in my browser.  In short, the Android devices link is properly configured and will play in a Windows browser.  It may play using android devices as well but, the person who labeled the link as to its purpose didn't know what the link would do and mislabeled the only one that works.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

www.thegridfm.com.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

There appear to be a number of URLs that get you to this station.  Could you please share the address you're using?

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Recommendation for free or paid app to convert mp3 to text which is accessible with NVDA

Andrea Sherry
 

Perhaps off topic.
However you might try Switch from NCH software.
Andrea

On 27/01/2020 12:17 am, Sim Kah Yong wrote:
Dear all, I have recording of lectures and speeches in MP3 files and I would like to transcribe them into text. Are there app to help me do that without me having to listen and transcribe manually? Of course, the program/app must be accessible. Sorry that this may be  off topic, you can reply me directly. Thank you so much.




Recommendation for free or paid app to convert mp3 to text which is accessible with NVDA

Sim Kah Yong
 

Dear all, I have recording of lectures and speeches in MP3 files and I would like to transcribe them into text. Are there app to help me do that without me having to listen and transcribe manually? Of course, the program/app must be accessible. Sorry that this may be  off topic, you can reply me directly. Thank you so much.


Re: Using Open audible

David Griffith
 

The information was not posted here but on the British Computer Association of the Blind. I thought I had saved the information but cannot presently find it.
I have asked on BCAB if somebody could repost the necessary keystrokes. Hopefully somebody will respond.
David Griffith

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Val Temp
Sent: 26 January 2020 12:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Open audible

Hi David!

This must have been before I joined this list, But i'd be so grateful if you could find this.


Val.

On 26/01/2020 11:24, David Griffith wrote:
From other lists I know that there are lots of visually impaired people using Open Audible.
The issue is that the setup screens are reportedly inaccessible but if you get sighted help beyond this it is apparently completely accessible.
One person posted the key sequences you need to press to ensure setup through the inaccessible setup screens but I am not sure I saved this.
I will have a look and post if I find the instructions.

David Griffith.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Val Temp
Sent: 26 January 2020 08:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Open audible

Thanks.

When I tried it with Jaws, I kind of wondered.

On 26/01/2020 08:21, Felix G. wrote:
Hi,
did a bit of research since the name of the program sounded
interesting. Looks shady to me though, so even if it were accessible
I'd be reluctant to use it.
Best,
Felix

Am So., 26. Jan. 2020 um 09:06 Uhr schrieb Val Temp <val.paul2005@gmail.com>:
Hi!

I received an email from a friend telling me to try open audible, but
as this friend has some sight, I have no idea if this is accessible with NVDA.

I have tried to use this program with jaws, but to no avail.

Can someone tell me if this is accessible with NVDA and how to use it?


Val.








Re: Using Open audible

Val Temp <val.paul2005@...>
 

Hi David!

This must have been before I joined this list, But i'd be so grateful if you could find this.


Val.

On 26/01/2020 11:24, David Griffith wrote:
From other lists I know that there are lots of visually impaired people using Open Audible.
The issue is that the setup screens are reportedly inaccessible but if you get sighted help beyond this it is apparently completely accessible.
One person posted the key sequences you need to press to ensure setup through the inaccessible setup screens but I am not sure I saved this.
I will have a look and post if I find the instructions.

David Griffith.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Val Temp
Sent: 26 January 2020 08:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Open audible

Thanks.

When I tried it with Jaws, I kind of wondered.

On 26/01/2020 08:21, Felix G. wrote:
Hi,
did a bit of research since the name of the program sounded
interesting. Looks shady to me though, so even if it were accessible
I'd be reluctant to use it.
Best,
Felix

Am So., 26. Jan. 2020 um 09:06 Uhr schrieb Val Temp <val.paul2005@gmail.com>:
Hi!

I received an email from a friend telling me to try open audible, but
as this friend has some sight, I have no idea if this is accessible with NVDA.

I have tried to use this program with jaws, but to no avail.

Can someone tell me if this is accessible with NVDA and how to use it?


Val.







Re: can't play an internet station using waterfox

Gene
 

This should be moved to the NVDA chat list but I'll say that I more or less accomplished the same thing after seeing your message.  I don't think most people would have the technical knowledge to trouble shoot the problem, but I know enough that I was able to after reading your message. 
 
The person who created the web page will probably get so many complaints that he/she may correct the problem but who knows.
 
At any rate, it was interesting using your discussion to allow me to figure out how to make the stream play using an improperly configured link.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Oriana
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

Incidentally, if anyone is interested in collecting radio stations and switching between them like preprogrammed channels on a digital FM radio, all you need to do is collect the stream urls (the urls encapsulated in files such as live.wax) and enter them each on one line in a text file and save it as a .pls filetype, something like radio.pls . Then when you load it into WMP or VLC, you can flip through radio stations simply by using the "next track" button. However, if any one of the streams change their stream url, the media player will skip that radio station and move on to the next, usually without any kind of dialogue or error.

On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 6:39 AM Oriana via Groups.Io <o.neulinger=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Gene,

When you attempt to use the .wax file in VLC, it attempts to resolve to the stream url i posted with the character %20 appended to the end. (I don't know that the error displaying this attempt is displayed accessibly, however, which is likely why the end user was unable to troubleshoot.) %20 is url encoding for space, which is not usually appended to the end of urls. To test my theory that the stream url would work without the space, i downloaded the .wax file, which turned out to be a ".pls by any other name", removed the space in my text editing app Quoda, and opened it as a playlist in VLC... and that solved the problem as i expected. I am not familiar with .wax filetype, but it seems it encodes trailing spaces as being part of the url and thus, it was a typo. The "AAC" playlist file is also VLC compatible, at least on my version of VLC, which means the trailing space is not encoded, if it's present, and it's very likely the "Android" playlist file also ignores spaces, playing as designed in my browser. I suspect the same trailing space issue is present in the fourth playlist file, or possibly, given the error code i received, that the url is missing entirely. (After seeing how many other typos and broken tags are in the HTML for the website, the file could contain the entirety of War And Peace without surprising me.)

Note: by ".pls by any other name" what i mean is, most online streaming playlists are nothing more than some kind of text file that includes nothing but one or more actual stream url. This is handy for making shortcuts to the radio station, simply download the file and rename it to the radio station, and run it every time you want to listen - your media player (such as VLC, which is free, low-memory, and handles nearly every filetype you can throw at it) will load the stream url automatically. However, I don't understand why there are so many different "filetypes" for the same, standard behavior... all they are is a text document containing a url!



On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 3:17 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I should also say that trying another browser is still a good idea, but not believing the site and trying the link I discussed is the first thing to do.  it is the easiest, and it may solve the problem, as in this case.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 1:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

I'm going into detail of how you may approach a problem like this so you may have a better understanding of what to do in future when you encounter such a problem.  Those who are not interested may want to skip this message.  Those interested may find it useful in future.
 
I see no error in the Windows Mediaplayer link.  I pasted it to the clippboard using the copy address submenu function in Chrome and got the following:
 
There are many listen links but, except for the Android devices link, However, they appear to be somehow coded incorrectly.  They cause Chrome to display a save as dialog, at least on my machine.  Others may report what they do on theirs.  I doubt using another browser would solve the problem, though that is generally one of the first gthings I do in such a case.  But, based on the behavior here, I doubt it will help, though I'm not sure. 
Given the odd behavior, the thing to do is the following:
Never believe a site in such a case.  Site developers may not know what they are doing and they may mislabel links in terms of describing what they do.  Try the android devices link.  I pressed enter on it and the stream played in my browser.  In short, the Android devices link is properly configured and will play in a Windows browser.  It may play using android devices as well but, the person who labeled the link as to its purpose didn't know what the link would do and mislabeled the only one that works.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

www.thegridfm.com.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

There appear to be a number of URLs that get you to this station.  Could you please share the address you're using?

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: can't play an internet station using waterfox

Oriana
 

Incidentally, if anyone is interested in collecting radio stations and switching between them like preprogrammed channels on a digital FM radio, all you need to do is collect the stream urls (the urls encapsulated in files such as live.wax) and enter them each on one line in a text file and save it as a .pls filetype, something like radio.pls . Then when you load it into WMP or VLC, you can flip through radio stations simply by using the "next track" button. However, if any one of the streams change their stream url, the media player will skip that radio station and move on to the next, usually without any kind of dialogue or error.


On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 6:39 AM Oriana via Groups.Io <o.neulinger=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Gene,

When you attempt to use the .wax file in VLC, it attempts to resolve to the stream url i posted with the character %20 appended to the end. (I don't know that the error displaying this attempt is displayed accessibly, however, which is likely why the end user was unable to troubleshoot.) %20 is url encoding for space, which is not usually appended to the end of urls. To test my theory that the stream url would work without the space, i downloaded the .wax file, which turned out to be a ".pls by any other name", removed the space in my text editing app Quoda, and opened it as a playlist in VLC... and that solved the problem as i expected. I am not familiar with .wax filetype, but it seems it encodes trailing spaces as being part of the url and thus, it was a typo. The "AAC" playlist file is also VLC compatible, at least on my version of VLC, which means the trailing space is not encoded, if it's present, and it's very likely the "Android" playlist file also ignores spaces, playing as designed in my browser. I suspect the same trailing space issue is present in the fourth playlist file, or possibly, given the error code i received, that the url is missing entirely. (After seeing how many other typos and broken tags are in the HTML for the website, the file could contain the entirety of War And Peace without surprising me.)

Note: by ".pls by any other name" what i mean is, most online streaming playlists are nothing more than some kind of text file that includes nothing but one or more actual stream url. This is handy for making shortcuts to the radio station, simply download the file and rename it to the radio station, and run it every time you want to listen - your media player (such as VLC, which is free, low-memory, and handles nearly every filetype you can throw at it) will load the stream url automatically. However, I don't understand why there are so many different "filetypes" for the same, standard behavior... all they are is a text document containing a url!



On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 3:17 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I should also say that trying another browser is still a good idea, but not believing the site and trying the link I discussed is the first thing to do.  it is the easiest, and it may solve the problem, as in this case.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 1:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

I'm going into detail of how you may approach a problem like this so you may have a better understanding of what to do in future when you encounter such a problem.  Those who are not interested may want to skip this message.  Those interested may find it useful in future.
 
I see no error in the Windows Mediaplayer link.  I pasted it to the clippboard using the copy address submenu function in Chrome and got the following:
 
There are many listen links but, except for the Android devices link, However, they appear to be somehow coded incorrectly.  They cause Chrome to display a save as dialog, at least on my machine.  Others may report what they do on theirs.  I doubt using another browser would solve the problem, though that is generally one of the first gthings I do in such a case.  But, based on the behavior here, I doubt it will help, though I'm not sure. 
Given the odd behavior, the thing to do is the following:
Never believe a site in such a case.  Site developers may not know what they are doing and they may mislabel links in terms of describing what they do.  Try the android devices link.  I pressed enter on it and the stream played in my browser.  In short, the Android devices link is properly configured and will play in a Windows browser.  It may play using android devices as well but, the person who labeled the link as to its purpose didn't know what the link would do and mislabeled the only one that works.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

www.thegridfm.com.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

There appear to be a number of URLs that get you to this station.  Could you please share the address you're using?

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

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