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Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

 

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 04:51 AM, aikeo koomanivong wrote:
You mean that Jaws will give free license just only to JUNE right?
As I said previously:  Yes, a free, short term license that runs through June 30, 2020, that's available to home users.

Unless Vispero were to extend the termination date, but the current terms are through June 30th.  Since they normally sell the product they're not going to give it away at no cost "forever."
 
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Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

aikeo koomanivong
 

Dear Brian and all

You mean that Jaws will give free license just only to JUNE right? It’s not forever right?

Thanks

 

 

 

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From: Jesse Farquharson
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

 

Well, they took the opportunity to upgrade it, if memory serves, though it was several years ago. I did go through two or three upgrades in that time, though. From JAWS 9 to 10 to... 12 to 14, I believe. Maybe it was 13 instead of 12, I'm not sure. But having to pay for an upgrade as frequently as they seemed to... I'm surprised they did that at all. I would never, ever do that. It's part of the reason why I prefer NVDA.

 


NVDA does not read thunderbird 68.6.0 headers of messages

enes sarıbaş
 

Hi all,

I found an issue with latest thunderbird and NVDA. Open a message, and select all headers in the view menu. When tabbing through the headers,  NVDA will only read the header of the header, but not the content. Object nav is required to read this. This was a regression as it worked normally before. Can anyone else reproduce this?


Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

Jesse Farquharson
 

Well, they took the opportunity to upgrade it, if memory serves, though it was several years ago. I did go through two or three upgrades in that time, though. From JAWS 9 to 10 to... 12 to 14, I believe. Maybe it was 13 instead of 12, I'm not sure. But having to pay for an upgrade as frequently as they seemed to... I'm surprised they did that at all. I would never, ever do that. It's part of the reason why I prefer NVDA.


Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

 

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 10:20 PM, aikeo koomanivong wrote:
Right now Jaws’s company give free license?
Yes, a free, short term license that runs through June 30, 2020, that's available to home users.

If you are in the USA or Canada, then go to the Freedom Scientific home page and search for the Free Home License link.

If you are anywhere else in the world, contact the JAWS distributor in your nation.
 
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Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

Gene
 

If the school had to get a new license, they were incompetent.  The owners of JAWS have corrected problems with JAWS reverting to 40 minute mode as a matter of routine and those who have such problems don’t need to purchase new licenses.  It wouldn’t even be legal for the owners of JAWS to require this. 
 
As far as your problems with JAWS are concerned, they are not typical, as I said in a previous message. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free JAWS licence that was anounced today
 

I, too, have had plenty an issue with JAWS. I used it from grade 4 onwards on school provided computers and frequently found it slow to start. More than that, I would often run into an issue where JAWS would be in the middle of reading something, and whatever synth I was using at the time would completely freeze up and just continue vocalizing the same sound non-stop. Sometimes it would happen multiple times a day and sometimes only once a week.

There also came a few incidents where, for no apparent reason, JAWS reverted to 40 minute demo mode and the school had to buy a brand new license even though no one did anything to the JAWS program/version/whatever.

As soon as I got my own computer through government funding, the first thing I did was download NVDA on it. I also got a JAWS 17 license for it, but... honestly, almost four years later I am starting to consider that a waste of money. I can count on one hand the number of times I've used JAWS, and I've found that in each case, for my needs, if one program doesn't work with one, it doesn't work with the other. BitDefender and NordVPN being prime examples.


Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

aikeo koomanivong
 

Hi all

What are you talking about

Sorry guys, I cannot find 1st topic just saw only subject free jaws license and there are many e-mail .

Right now Jaws’s company give free license?

I love NVDA I stop used Jaws since 2013.

My students most of them known Jaws but all of them they used NVDA.

 

If they are give free license just would like to grab and use for sometime with situation that NVDA cannot access.

Thanks

 

 

 

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From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

 

I agree, I do have supernova screen reader active so I can technically do a few tests, however I use it for things like configuring some winamp preffs and to play smuglers.

I do test the new edge with it and windows desktop and a few other things, and I may even try to get it working with software like vmware workstation but to be honest, its quite minimal.

 

 

On 25/03/2020 2:37 pm, Jesse Farquharson wrote:

I, too, have had plenty an issue with JAWS. I used it from grade 4 onwards on school provided computers and frequently found it slow to start. More than that, I would often run into an issue where JAWS would be in the middle of reading something, and whatever synth I was using at the time would completely freeze up and just continue vocalizing the same sound non-stop. Sometimes it would happen multiple times a day and sometimes only once a week.

There also came a few incidents where, for no apparent reason, JAWS reverted to 40 minute demo mode and the school had to buy a brand new license even though no one did anything to the JAWS program/version/whatever.

As soon as I got my own computer through government funding, the first thing I did was download NVDA on it. I also got a JAWS 17 license for it, but... honestly, almost four years later I am starting to consider that a waste of money. I can count on one hand the number of times I've used JAWS, and I've found that in each case, for my needs, if one program doesn't work with one, it doesn't work with the other. BitDefender and NordVPN being prime examples.

 


Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

 

I agree, I do have supernova screen reader active so I can technically do a few tests, however I use it for things like configuring some winamp preffs and to play smuglers.

I do test the new edge with it and windows desktop and a few other things, and I may even try to get it working with software like vmware workstation but to be honest, its quite minimal.



On 25/03/2020 2:37 pm, Jesse Farquharson wrote:

I, too, have had plenty an issue with JAWS. I used it from grade 4 onwards on school provided computers and frequently found it slow to start. More than that, I would often run into an issue where JAWS would be in the middle of reading something, and whatever synth I was using at the time would completely freeze up and just continue vocalizing the same sound non-stop. Sometimes it would happen multiple times a day and sometimes only once a week.

There also came a few incidents where, for no apparent reason, JAWS reverted to 40 minute demo mode and the school had to buy a brand new license even though no one did anything to the JAWS program/version/whatever.

As soon as I got my own computer through government funding, the first thing I did was download NVDA on it. I also got a JAWS 17 license for it, but... honestly, almost four years later I am starting to consider that a waste of money. I can count on one hand the number of times I've used JAWS, and I've found that in each case, for my needs, if one program doesn't work with one, it doesn't work with the other. BitDefender and NordVPN being prime examples.


Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

Jesse Farquharson
 

I, too, have had plenty an issue with JAWS. I used it from grade 4 onwards on school provided computers and frequently found it slow to start. More than that, I would often run into an issue where JAWS would be in the middle of reading something, and whatever synth I was using at the time would completely freeze up and just continue vocalizing the same sound non-stop. Sometimes it would happen multiple times a day and sometimes only once a week.

There also came a few incidents where, for no apparent reason, JAWS reverted to 40 minute demo mode and the school had to buy a brand new license even though no one did anything to the JAWS program/version/whatever.

As soon as I got my own computer through government funding, the first thing I did was download NVDA on it. I also got a JAWS 17 license for it, but... honestly, almost four years later I am starting to consider that a waste of money. I can count on one hand the number of times I've used JAWS, and I've found that in each case, for my needs, if one program doesn't work with one, it doesn't work with the other. BitDefender and NordVPN being prime examples.


Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

Gene
 

I don’t know why you had problems with JAWS but that is not the usual experience.  I used it for years before NVDA and I had no more problems with crashes than with any other well functioning program.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free JAWS licence that was anounced today
 

True jean.

With nvda I use a subset of the commands not all of them.

The advantage of nvda is you don't need to use most commands unless you really need to, stuff just works.

When I did my dolphin stuff the same applied but obviously with more commands.

In jaws I was given a tutorial to use all the commands, half of which I promptly forgot.

And while I did use jaws for bits and bobs, I spent half of my life, fixing jaws crashes, reinstalling and reformatting because of driver screwups according to jaws on xp, and resetting things weekly because of jaws.

When I switched to windows 7 I kept my dolphin stuff up because it didn't do my head in like jaws.

Now I am a dolphin tester I use both dolphin supernova and nvda.

I must admit that nvda is my primary reader of choice though.

 

 

On 25/03/2020 1:13 pm, Gene wrote:
It might encourage them to learn or dabble if it were [pointed out that most of what most users use are Windows and program commands.  You can learn only a small number of commands, read title bar, adjusting speech as you want, and perhaps a few screen review commands and you can do a lot with any screen-reader.  And these days, web browsing screen-reader commands are standardized, at least on the screen-readers I have used.  It might be nice to know the read current line command and read current word and character commands, but only knowing a small number of commands you can do enough to make a second screen-reader a very good idea.
 
Gene
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Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free JAWS licence that was anounced today
 
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 04:41 PM, Jackie wrote:
I also strongly feel that folks on any given day should have more than 1
screen reader in their arsenal if at all possible, because some are
just better at certain things than others.
You're preachin' to the choir!!   This is something I tell all my clients, even when I can't have the time to teach them the alternative ones.

One need not be equally proficient in multiple screen readers (though it certainly doesn't hurt) but having the basics of several, so that you can try another when the one you prefer is being recalcitrant, makes life much easier.
 
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Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

 

True jean.

With nvda I use a subset of the commands not all of them.

The advantage of nvda is you don't need to use most commands unless you really need to, stuff just works.

When I did my dolphin stuff the same applied but obviously with more commands.

In jaws I was given a tutorial to use all the commands, half of which I promptly forgot.

And while I did use jaws for bits and bobs, I spent half of my life, fixing jaws crashes, reinstalling and reformatting because of driver screwups according to jaws on xp, and resetting things weekly because of jaws.

When I switched to windows 7 I kept my dolphin stuff up because it didn't do my head in like jaws.

Now I am a dolphin tester I use both dolphin supernova and nvda.

I must admit that nvda is my primary reader of choice though.



On 25/03/2020 1:13 pm, Gene wrote:
It might encourage them to learn or dabble if it were [pointed out that most of what most users use are Windows and program commands.  You can learn only a small number of commands, read title bar, adjusting speech as you want, and perhaps a few screen review commands and you can do a lot with any screen-reader.  And these days, web browsing screen-reader commands are standardized, at least on the screen-readers I have used.  It might be nice to know the read current line command and read current word and character commands, but only knowing a small number of commands you can do enough to make a second screen-reader a very good idea.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free JAWS licence that was anounced today
 
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 04:41 PM, Jackie wrote:
I also strongly feel that folks on any given day should have more than 1
screen reader in their arsenal if at all possible, because some are
just better at certain things than others.
You're preachin' to the choir!!   This is something I tell all my clients, even when I can't have the time to teach them the alternative ones.

One need not be equally proficient in multiple screen readers (though it certainly doesn't hurt) but having the basics of several, so that you can try another when the one you prefer is being recalcitrant, makes life much easier.
 
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Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

Gene
 

It might encourage them to learn or dabble if it were [pointed out that most of what most users use are Windows and program commands.  You can learn only a small number of commands, read title bar, adjusting speech as you want, and perhaps a few screen review commands and you can do a lot with any screen-reader.  And these days, web browsing screen-reader commands are standardized, at least on the screen-readers I have used.  It might be nice to know the read current line command and read current word and character commands, but only knowing a small number of commands you can do enough to make a second screen-reader a very good idea.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free JAWS licence that was anounced today
 
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 04:41 PM, Jackie wrote:
I also strongly feel that folks on any given day should have more than 1
screen reader in their arsenal if at all possible, because some are
just better at certain things than others.
You're preachin' to the choir!!   This is something I tell all my clients, even when I can't have the time to teach them the alternative ones.

One need not be equally proficient in multiple screen readers (though it certainly doesn't hurt) but having the basics of several, so that you can try another when the one you prefer is being recalcitrant, makes life much easier.
 
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Enhanced Touch Gestures, GOldWave, StationPlaylist 20.04 #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

Second 20.04 release wave are now available:

 

  • Enhanced Touch Gestures: compatible with NVDA 2020.1, including detection of right mouse click touch gesture (tap and hold) which is now part of NVDA itself.
  • GoldWave: missing input help messages for remaining time command (NVDA+Shift=R) has been added, along with changing input gestures dialog category for toggle announcement command (NVDA+Shift+C).
  • StationPlaylist: broadcast profiles are now managed via its own dialog (Alt+NVDA+P from Studio window) and deprecating time-based broadcast profiles feature.

 

As always, these updates are available from community add-ons website and Add-on Updater.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: NVDA key Q problem went away

Quentin Christensen
 

Glad to hear it's working again Brice!

Quentin.

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 1:53 AM brice Mijares <bmijares33@...> wrote:
After installing the NVDA beta, my problem with the NVDA  key Q went
away. I even had the problem after restarting with ad ons disabled.






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Re: NVDA speech output and the keystroke NVDA plus numpad divide

Dejan Ristic
 

Hi again,


I've just checked it with Firefox and found out that it is better to a considerable degree.

On 24/03/2020 22:38, Dejan Ristic via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,


Let me address these two instances from the subject line.


When I open Google Chrome, I'm no longer able to hear the output speech when I press the mentioned keystroke (NVDA plus numpad divide). Note that by means of the keyboard I position NVDA navigator object to a link, button, editable area, etc, and when I press the keystroke to position the mouse to the navigator object, what is under it is not reported by NVDA. When I engage Golden cursor in Chrome, too, NVDA would only say: section, landmark, button, toolbar, link. You may conclude that the names of these are not spoken.


But, when I open, for instance, CCleaner, and/or when I do that experiment on the desktop surface, all elements are spoken when I press the keystroke.


It must be noted that the previous version of NVDA performed that task successfully. I can do without that particular keystroke, but I think that it is good to report such a behaviour, though.


NVDA version: latest


Google Chrome release version: latest


Operating system in use: Windows 7, 64 bit SP1.


Cheers,

Dejan

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NVDA speech output and the keystroke NVDA plus numpad divide

Dejan Ristic
 

Hi,


Let me address these two instances from the subject line.


When I open Google Chrome, I'm no longer able to hear the output speech when I press the mentioned keystroke (NVDA plus numpad divide). Note that by means of the keyboard I position NVDA navigator object to a link, button, editable area, etc, and when I press the keystroke to position the mouse to the navigator object, what is under it is not reported by NVDA. When I engage Golden cursor in Chrome, too, NVDA would only say: section, landmark, button, toolbar, link. You may conclude that the names of these are not spoken.


But, when I open, for instance, CCleaner, and/or when I do that experiment on the desktop surface, all elements are spoken when I press the keystroke.


It must be noted that the previous version of NVDA performed that task successfully. I can do without that particular keystroke, but I think that it is good to report such a behaviour, though.


NVDA version: latest


Google Chrome release version: latest


Operating system in use: Windows 7, 64 bit SP1.


Cheers,

Dejan


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locked Re: Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

 

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 04:15 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

The university I do work for has a system brought with xp in mind.

It cost a lot to install and its going to cost more to upgrade since the stuff they use just is not compatible with modern systems.

So that means they have to get rid of and buy completely new hardware and software.

Shaun, what follows is not aimed at you, personally, but at this argument, which seems to be made again and again and again.

That argument is irrelevant, as everyone knows that there are exception conditions and, more importantly, if these systems are not in touch with cyberspace, and a lot of them aren't, the risks are very greatly diminished overall.

The statement that XP should absolutely not be used as an OS is in the context of its use as a "daily driver" in contact with cyberspace.  The same argument can be and is made for all out of support operating systems being used in this way.

If you have the odd situation where any one of them is the OS for which custom software was written, and the whole system that uses it is air-gapped from cyberspace, then you need to consider upgrading as soon as is reasonably possible, but it's not desperately necessary in a lot of cases.  I have an old XP system that hasn't been connected to the internet in many years that I've kept simply because there's a single program on it that's still very useful and where newer versions don't offer much more than what I typically need out of the ancient one.  But I'd never, for a single second, think it's OK to hop on the internet and start surfing the web and doing my online banking.  To do such would be very ill-advised (and, based on my professional experiences, falls into the, "You need to have your head examined!!," category).
 
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Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

Tony Ballou
 

Hey,


Absolutely, couldn't agree with you more about that my friend. When you really think about it, it's difficult to purchase a piece of software that would cost you more than it would be to buy a full workstation, and you have to decide one way or the other which is where I was when I chose to make the full time move to NVDA.  And of course some software that works well with one screen reader may not function as well with another, and you may have to play a bit of a patience and balancing act between things.


I'm currently testing a program called copy trans with a friend of mine who is a jaws user.  One of the many things you can do with this program is sync music from your PC to an I Phone without using iTunes which is only one of the functions of this software. And so far, we've found that the program works with NVDA, but things aren't so good with using jaws with it.  As soon as things become settled here in the states, we are going to try to find a solution to using the program for jaws users. In a perfect world, what works with one should work with all, but as we all know, the world ain't perfect. 


Tony 


On 3/24/2020 9:45 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 09:17 AM, Tony Ballou wrote:
The adage seems to be if what we've got works, why fix or in this case, try to change it.
But, given your background, you also know that money has been getting tighter and tighter and tighter.  There is a very strong case to be made for NVDA on that front, since no one can claim it's not a mature and full-service product (slight differences from JAWS don't make it "not full-service," just somewhat different).

There is also a clear case to be made that supplying software without training, particularly for something as complicated as a screen reader, is a recipe for disaster.  Clients will abandon that which they cannot use even vaguely effectively, and those of us "in this biz" have seen this more times than we care to count.

It's also critical to direct clients to resources such as this very group as part of their training.  There is no way that any trainer/tutor can ever possibly cover what any given individual will ultimately need to do with their screen reader.  Our job is to launch the client with a solid foundation upon which they can build independently, but independently does not mean "alone and without any outside guidance."  Knowing where to turn for assistance when you hit the inevitable, "How in the heck do I do this?!!," class of question is crucial.
 
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Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

Kerryn Gunness
 


thank you for clarifying
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 03:34 PM, Kerryn Gunness wrote:
when i ask questions about programs i use with NVDA, i am told the group is for NVDA related questions and the thread becomes locked
just asking
There is a worldwide crisis occurring where many individuals are now housebound (including myself).  Many of the members here are transitioning to NVDA from another screen reader, one of which may be JAWS.  In a situation such as this, when a major screen reader vendor offers a free license to use their product it warrants mention throughout the various screen reader online communities.

And, you have apparently not read through the content of this topic at all, which you should do before commenting.   JAWS has been incidental, not central, to it.  You'll find NVDA being mentioned many, many more times than JAWS has been.  It was just the free offer that launched the topic, but it certainly has not been its focus.  And even if the free offer had been its focus, under the current circumstances, I'd allow it.  There are times rules should absolutely be bent.  This is one of those.

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Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

 

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 04:41 PM, Jackie wrote:
I also strongly feel that folks on any given day should have more than 1
screen reader in their arsenal if at all possible, because some are
just better at certain things than others.
You're preachin' to the choir!!   This is something I tell all my clients, even when I can't have the time to teach them the alternative ones.

One need not be equally proficient in multiple screen readers (though it certainly doesn't hurt) but having the basics of several, so that you can try another when the one you prefer is being recalcitrant, makes life much easier.
 
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