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Re: To All Members - Regarding Bounce Probes

Jackie
 

This is the 2nd bounce notice I've received. I unbounced my account
only to have it bounce a short time later. My email address is fine,
my storage is not used up, so, to be honest, I'm really not sure what
to do at this point. Maybe it's God's way of telling me I don't need
the extra emails? :shrug: This only seemed to start after Big G's
outage yesterday.

Any suggestions welcome, though I understand moderators/owners are
basically powerless in this situation. But I think I am too.

On 12/15/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
First, if you receive a bounce probe message and activate the "unbounce"
link, rest assured that does work.  I thought that Groups.io sent an
automated response back confirming you are unbounced, but if they do not,
PLEASE, please, please assume that you are if you did not receive any error
message when activating the unbounce link.

There is nothing that Group Administration, on any group, can do to unbounce
members.  The whole idea behind a bounce probe is to not only detect that an
e-mail address is existent, but that someone's reading it and reacting to
content.  That is something that only the member who receives a bounce probe
can do.

For those who want additional information about how bouncing works, and from
the Group Admin perspective, see this page from the Groups.io Owner's
Manual, paying particular attention to the last line that starts with,
"Important!"
https://groups.io/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/additional-information/groups-io-bounce-handling

*Please do not send test messages to see if you are unbounced*.  If you
receive a single message that anyone has sent, you are unbounced, and our
traffic is high enough that messages tend to come through pretty regularly.
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To All Members - Regarding Bounce Probes

 

First, if you receive a bounce probe message and activate the "unbounce" link, rest assured that does work.  I thought that Groups.io sent an automated response back confirming you are unbounced, but if they do not, PLEASE, please, please assume that you are if you did not receive any error message when activating the unbounce link.

There is nothing that Group Administration, on any group, can do to unbounce members.  The whole idea behind a bounce probe is to not only detect that an e-mail address is existent, but that someone's reading it and reacting to content.  That is something that only the member who receives a bounce probe can do.

For those who want additional information about how bouncing works, and from the Group Admin perspective, see this page from the Groups.io Owner's Manual, paying particular attention to the last line that starts with, "Important!"     https://groups.io/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/additional-information/groups-io-bounce-handling  

Please do not send test messages to see if you are unbounced.  If you receive a single message that anyone has sent, you are unbounced, and our traffic is high enough that messages tend to come through pretty regularly.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 


Re: Accessible Google Drive Clients

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías
 

Hi all.

You can use Backup and sink from Google, the client official of Google for Windows, but NVDA now says menu item in the context menu of the system tray, a problem of the application.

Also is possible use clients compatible with various clouds services, like Air Explorer.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Soporte a usuarios, comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA.

Web www.nvda.es

Experto certificado en NVDA

 

De: Sarah k Alawami
Enviado: lunes, 14 de diciembre de 2020 14:14
Para: nvda
Asunto: Re: [nvda] Accessible Google Drive Clients

 

I use an ftp client on the mac to access my google drive. I wonder if something like flash fsp or the client I use on windows that I have forgotten can do this. If so, give that a try. It won't back up and sync, but you can upload to it like dropbox etc.

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On 14 Dec 2020, at 10:11, Bhavya shah wrote:

Dear all,

I use NVDA version 2020.3 on Windows 10, and am on the lookout for an
alternative Google Drive client. I currently use Google's own Backup
and Sync utility, and my main issue with it is that it does not sync
shared folders. (Shift+Z no longer works.) Additionally, Backup and
Sync is a bit too resource-hungry for my liking and seems to sometimes
cause disproportionate loads. Any suggestions of third-party,
accessible and lightweight Google Drive clients for Windows 10 would
be massively helpful.

I would truly appreciate any assistance with the above.

Thanks.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@...
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/

 


Re: Does NVDA turn role=application into Browse mode traps?

Samuel Kacer
 

Thanks Tyler! I can't believe I didn't know about that command, having used NVDA almost daily for 3 years now... Checking the NVDA user guide I can see this is covered in section 6.4


On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 4:44 PM Tyler Spivey <tspivey@...> wrote:
On 12/15/2020 7:34 AM, Samuel Kacer wrote:
> The problem I am running into though is very much what I
> described, namely once a user enters one of the application areas, they
> are stuck there and cant easily navigate back to the web content outside
> of it.
>

Try pressing CTRL+NVDA+space.






Re: Does NVDA turn role=application into Browse mode traps?

Tyler Spivey
 

On 12/15/2020 7:34 AM, Samuel Kacer wrote:
The problem I am running into though is very much what I described, namely once a user enters one of the application areas, they are stuck there and cant easily navigate back to the web content outside of it.
Try pressing CTRL+NVDA+space.


Does NVDA turn role=application into Browse mode traps?

Samuel Kacer
 

Hello,

I am just wondering why NVDA treats areas of web pages marked as applications with the role attribute the way it does. The problematic behavior I see is when the user enters the content inside of an application area on a web page, it seems they can't exit it using browse mode commands, i.e. navigating out with arrow keys, or jumping to a heading outside of the application area. Effectively, after entering an application area, the contents of it are treated as if they are the entire web document and browse mode only can get you around that subsection, but not out of it. The only way I've found to navigate out of the application area is by using object navigation.

To give an example, consider this simple web page:
<h1>Page title</h1>
<p>Some initial text.</p>
<div role="application">
Content inside application.<br />
<button>Some button</button>
</div>
<p>Some stuff after the application.</p>

When the user loads up this page in their browser, they can use arrow keys in browse mode to read there is the heading, some text, then an application, and some text after that. Now, if they enter the content inside the application by tabbing to it (which focuses them on a button inside), as far as I can tell, they are trapped in that application. Switching back to browse mode, when they arrow around, they can only read things inside the application area. Pressing shif + H doesnt jump to the heading at the beginning of the page.

The reason I am bringing this up is because I am working on a non-standard widget that doesn't behave like any of the standard ones like buttons, tables, edit fields, etc. I want to singal this fact to the user via its role. The widget can be embedded in many parts of a web document. The problem I am running into though is very much what I described, namely once a user enters one of the application areas, they are stuck there and cant easily navigate back to the web content outside of it.

I feel like there is something I am missing. What sort of design pattern should I implement to allow the user a practical way of exiting the application and getting back to the rest of the document. I would appreciate if someone could help me figure out how I am supposed to handle this!

Thanks,
Sam


Re: Working with NVIVO using NVDA

 

What screen readers on a given platform (Windows, MacOS, Android, iOS) rely on to be able to present information to the user is almost entirely the same, regardless of the screen reader in use on that platform.  Yes, there can be some small differences, and there are occasions where something that plays well with one screen reader may play less well with another, but I would presume anything that is screen reader accessible to JAWS and Narrator will also be accessible using NVDA.

The only way to confirm that is to give it a whirl.
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        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 


Working with NVIVO using NVDA

William
 

Hi

according to the blog of NVIVO

Recent updates for NVivo 12 Mac have focused on improving the accessibility of the software. Version 12.3 added support for VoiceOver, Apple’s built in screen reader, benefiting researchers who are blind or have low vision on a computer. (The Windows version introduced support for the JAWS and MS Narrator screen readers in 12.3.) Version 12.4 has continued the focus on accessibility by improving color contrast:


As the post has not stated NVDA, in their supported software list, I would like to know if any one here has experience in using NVIVO 12?


Thanks,

William


Re: Accessible Google Drive Clients

Sarah k Alawami
 

I use an ftp client on the mac to access my google drive. I wonder if something like flash fsp or the client I use on windows that I have forgotten can do this. If so, give that a try. It won't back up and sync, but you can upload to it like dropbox etc.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 14 Dec 2020, at 10:11, Bhavya shah wrote:

Dear all,

I use NVDA version 2020.3 on Windows 10, and am on the lookout for an
alternative Google Drive client. I currently use Google's own Backup
and Sync utility, and my main issue with it is that it does not sync
shared folders. (Shift+Z no longer works.) Additionally, Backup and
Sync is a bit too resource-hungry for my liking and seems to sometimes
cause disproportionate loads. Any suggestions of third-party,
accessible and lightweight Google Drive clients for Windows 10 would
be massively helpful.

I would truly appreciate any assistance with the above.

Thanks.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@...
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/


Accessible Google Drive Clients

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,

I use NVDA version 2020.3 on Windows 10, and am on the lookout for an
alternative Google Drive client. I currently use Google's own Backup
and Sync utility, and my main issue with it is that it does not sync
shared folders. (Shift+Z no longer works.) Additionally, Backup and
Sync is a bit too resource-hungry for my liking and seems to sometimes
cause disproportionate loads. Any suggestions of third-party,
accessible and lightweight Google Drive clients for Windows 10 would
be massively helpful.

I would truly appreciate any assistance with the above.

Thanks.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/


Re: web page navigation

Tony Malykh
 

Try my TextNav add-on:

https://github.com/mltony/nvda-text-nav/

It allows you to skip over ads, menus, images and stuff of that nature.

--Tony

On 12/12/2020 1:49 PM, Don H wrote:
Running latest released version of NVDA on a win 10 20h2 system and latest veersions of Google Chrome and MS Edge.
I like to use the arrow keys to review a web page.  In doing that I come accross multiple lines in a row that say Inserted.  I think these are advertisements.  Is there a way with NVDA to skip over these types of lines?
Thanks





Add-on Updater 20.12.1 patch released, preparing the add-on for future NVDA releases #addonrelease

 

Hello all,

 

Add-on Updater 20.12.1 is now available. This patch prepares the add-on to support future NVDA releases, specifically changes around Windows version compatibility checks for add-ons. As always, Add-on Updater can be updated using Add-on Updater (no bruh, I’m not a rapper).

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: My NVDA does not do continuous read with outlook 2016

Ibrahim Abedrabbo
 

Thanks Gene,
You Are right. I just checked my settings and found the keyboard set on
laptop layout. When I changed it to desktop it worked fine.
Thanks again for this hint.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 8:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] My NVDA does not do continuous read with outlook 2016

Are you sure you didn't switch to the laptop layout? Also, when did you
update? Did you reboot afterward?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Ibrahim Abedrabbo
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 7:25 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] My NVDA does not do continuous read with outlook 2016



Hi Folks,

I am not sure if this subject was discussed before or not. I rarely use this

feature, but I needed to read a very long email today using my outlook 2016.

I usually do the continuous read by pressing the insert key with the down
arrow. I noticed that it no longer works. I do not know when this feature
got broken. I am using windows 10 the latest update and the latest official
version of NVDA 2020.

Is there a fix? Or am I doing something wrong?



Cheers,


Re: My NVDA does not do continuous read with outlook 2016

Gene
 

Are you sure you didn't switch to the laptop layout? Also, when did you update? Did you reboot afterward?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ibrahim Abedrabbo
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 7:25 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] My NVDA does not do continuous read with outlook 2016



Hi Folks,

I am not sure if this subject was discussed before or not. I rarely use this feature, but I needed to read a very long email today using my outlook 2016. I usually do the continuous read by pressing the insert key with the down arrow. I noticed that it no longer works. I do not know when this feature got broken. I am using windows 10 the latest update and the latest official version of NVDA 2020.

Is there a fix? Or am I doing something wrong?



Cheers,


My NVDA does not do continuous read with outlook 2016

Ibrahim Abedrabbo
 

Hi Folks,

I am not sure if this subject was discussed before or not. I rarely use this feature, but I needed to read a very long email today using my outlook 2016. I usually do the continuous read by pressing the insert key with the down arrow. I noticed that it no longer works. I do not know when this feature got broken. I am using windows 10 the latest update and the latest official version of NVDA 2020.

Is there a fix? Or am I doing something wrong?

 

Cheers,

 


Re: Browse mode: Can't navigate by spelling errors in Chrome text fields?

Sascha Cowley
 

The only place I know of this working is in word documents.


Re: Quick Dictionary with automatic switching of synthesizers for selected languages #addonrelease

Oleksandr Gryshchenko
 

Hi friends,

@Cuong
> I suggest you add an input box so people can type word or phrase to be looked up.

Thank you for your feedback.
I added this feature and have already updated the add-on release.
Press NVDA+Y, then E or activate menu item "Edit text before sending...".
In the dialog you can prepare the text to send to the online dictionary.

Version 2.0-dev here:
https://github.com/grisov/quickDictionary/releases/download/v2.0/quickDictionary-2.0.nvda-addon

@Rowen
I sent you a private message.
I just checked - the address specified in the add-on works. May be this was a temporary problem.

@Brian
Thank you for your help.

Good luck to everyone!
Oleksandr


Browse mode: Can't navigate by spelling errors in Chrome text fields?

Luke Robinett
 

Hi folks,

 

I just opened a GitHub issue for this and thought I’d follow it up with a message to the group. When I’m in a multi line input field on a site using Chrome and I press W while in browse mode, it is supposed to move to the next spelling error. Instead, NVDA just says “not supported in this document.” This seems strange. Browse mode is mostly aimed at web navigation, so if this feature is not supported in the “document,” which I must assume means the web page in this context, in what document type would it be supported?

 

Thanks,

Luke

 


Outlook 365: Issue with announcement of selected text while composing mail

Luke Robinett
 

Hi folks,

 

I created an issue for this several days ago on GitHub but haven’t heard back yet so thought I’d run it by the group in the meantime. When I’m composing a new email in Outlook 365, I get strange behavior when selecting text by word. What I mean is, if I hold down shift and control and then use the left and right cursor keys to select text by words, only every other highlighted word is spoken aloud. For example, if I was selecting the words in the following sentence, from left to right, “I hope everyone is well,” I would hear the following with each press of the right arrow key: I, silence, everyone, silence, well.

NVDA 220.3 on Win10 Home. I hope this makes sense.

 

Thanks,

Luke

 


Re: NVDA 2020.3 Beta 4 now available

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Louise,

I can no longer reproduce the repeating words issue in Chrome or Edge, so I'm going to close that issue now: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11727#issuecomment-743323561  If you can still reproduce it after updating your version of Edge, do let me know (or comment on that issue).

Quentin.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 1:55 PM Quentin Christensen via groups.io <quentin=nvaccess.org@groups.io> wrote:
Ah ok - well most of the thing you noted behaved the same in Chrome as well.  Some were the way the page is setup, and some are a bug, which I reported (feel free to add your version of Edge to that issue to confirm it happens there also).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 6:41 AM Louise Pfau <louise.pfau@...> wrote:
Hi.  I should have specified that I'm using Microsoft Edge as my browser.

Thanks,

Louise



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