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Re: NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?
Hmmph, and if only real displays got less expensive.
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Yeah I know there are 14-20 cell units but 20 cells is barely 2 lines. Now something like the canute would be worth having but since any of the really good displays cost as much as a really top of the line gaming laptop, well put it this way, I know what I would want if I had to pay 3000 for it.
On 14/01/2020 8:45 am, JM Casey wrote:
Braille is the only sensible way to handle this, in my opinion...would still
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Re: NVDA with Windows 10 Pe
Hmmm the windows pe is one of those older bits of software that is not about.
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There are several versions, but I know of only 2 of them. It would actually be nice if someone could make a talking windows pe similar to a boot cd which could run diagnostics etc and be updated. It wouldn't need to be windows 10, it could be 7 or even xp. It would need generic sound ability, able to run on 32 and 64 bit and access ntfs, all fat types, etc. To be honest, I'd probably create something based on windows 7 or even xp just so you had an easier time of doing things but thats just me. I know that the latest win pe builder may or may as the case may be accessible but I havn't played for a while. I don't know much about making or scripting one either.
On 14/01/2020 8:24 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi guys
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Re: NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?
Hmmm while I like subtitles in audio description and find that nice, I'd find it destracting if a synth did it unless it was a good synth. Its been something I have been looking at for a while. While yes I have the vocaliser code factory voices and while they do ok for books and general gaming, some of their pronounciations and such could be better. I listened to neospeech and found out that a voice is round 300 dollars a year subscription. And while making a few files was a secondary goal I wanted to read with my screen reader and or sapi. I have listened to the ivona voices but they seem to have the same issues as vocaliser does after a while. I have listened to the acapella voices, and I may eventually buy them. I also know a place where older neospeech voices exist I could
still buy but that site is so old and has a lot of old stuff I am
unsure if it still exists or not.
On 14/01/2020 8:04 am, JM Casey wrote:
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Re: ocr solutions
Can we as users use windows ocr natively itself? Ie are there programs that use windows ocr themselves, that may be a way forward if at some point I decide not to upgrade. All I will want is to scan the occasional picture, pdf or in fact maybe scan things like I do with nvda and copy them over. The windows ocr seems to be reasonable, at least most of the time. Its always been in the back of my mind that windows ocr should be usable in other ways to. I do have knfb reader and I do use that for some images and it does what I need. I have codex which uses the calibre and seems to be able to decode some image pdfs. Maybe its something I have to research. All I would need is a way to scan an image or other document, say a pdf and convert it to a text or word file. Google ocr is another thing I guess I could use on the go, so maybe I will look into that a bit to. I would like something that could describe pictures, and maybe have me able to edit the descriptions and maybe using alt text or something or am I getting to carried away?
On 14/01/2020 7:56 am, Gene wrote:
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Re: NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?
JM Casey
Braille is the only sensible way to handle this, in my opinion...would still
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be nice to be able to get it to sync witht eh video but hey, at least it is doable. The world is a big place and there are thousands of films I'd love to see in languages other than the ones I know.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rob Hudson Sent: January 12, 2020 1:19 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies? Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote: I get what you're saying, but just imagine what it would be like to havethe dialog, the background noise that's part of the scene, and synthesized subtitles all being churned out at the same time. And that's why I said braille display. That's how I used to read them.
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Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues
Hmmm, well its 189 bucks but yeah. With all the accessible scanner solutions either in doubt or just not updated or in limbo, bar maybe text cloner which costs 50 or so dollars less than mainstream software. Its another thing. I know we as blind will find it better using specialised software, however I think in my opinion that if we want to try to get more software accessible and integrate a bit more into the sightling world that were we can we should use mainstream to a point. If its not at all accessible, I understand but if it is accessible or at least usable and the company is receptive to us then I'd push for full access. Its not going to make everyone help us or everything accessible. Steam for example has variable access though its going chromium so that may change, to quite a lot of third party security tools and there may be more. Access has come a long way mind you. A lot of games are accessible. And anything that has to do with reading, office documents and recognition seems to have stronger accessability than standard. And while its not always the case, it seems to be the smaller the maker the more ready they are to change. It would be nice if all the big companies were accessible but if not all the big, the small to medium stuff. One thing I have noticed not just in fine reader, but other places, is the mentallity that if it works with jaws, then it works for everything. And while that has been the case for a while, I am unsure if it still is. Back when I did use jaws 6, I knew that like nvda it was heavily script driven. However like older pre xp windows 98, where every bit of hardware needed a driver installed and you had to get a lot of those yourself, everything needed a thirdparty script at least thats what it felt like to me. Probably not everything but I remember having to get scripts for things that in other readers I had like supernova didn't need scripts to even work properly if at all. Never mind the licencing which again, was not the best, ie, home for windows home, pro for windows pro. It didn't bring me more features, at least they seemed to have ditched that scheme now.
On 14/01/2020 7:53 am, Gene wrote:
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Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues
Gene
However the user prefers, and that can be provided
for in the choices, in a case like this, hearing some sort of verification is
important. If you are scanning a twenty page or a fifty page document, you
shouldn't have to check the bottom of every new page to make sure it is
different from the last page you added.
Also, regarding me wanting to hear the words, I
don't want to remember that this tone means this, and that tone means
that. Just hearing a word like copy, cut and paste doesn't take any amount
of time that matters.
Gene
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From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues Hmmm you know jean I am going to have to disagree with you. I really concidder coppy and paste announcements to become after a while annoying for me to listen to. As a compromise, I guess some tone would be fine especially if that could be customised. Its why I am for some sort of event or theme manager in nvda with sound schemes like audiothemes but we can set up different events such as cut, copy paste, typing if we want, maybe have somethings that instead of speaking we get announcements. Would be nice if we had haptic keyboards or mice or touchpads on desktops, that may work. I do sometimes find to many spoken messages to be verbose and grating on my ears. You may not however. On 14/01/2020 7:52 am, Gene wrote:
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Re: NVDA with Windows 10 Pe
John Isige
I don't have Windows PE, but Narrator can read a lot of Windows now. For
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instance, if you have to do an install from scratch, or a reset, Narrator can read that. It can't read the menu that let's you reset or whatever, but once that's going, you can activate Narrator and get feedback and select options and all. So the first thing I'd do, if I were them, is boot the thing and see if Narrator comes up. I had to do a Windows install a while back and I was able to boot the DVD or whatever and do it myself, this only applies to Windows 10 of course.
On 1/13/2020 1:24 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
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Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues
Hmmm you know jean I am going to have to disagree with you. I really concidder coppy and paste announcements to become after a while annoying for me to listen to. As a compromise, I guess some tone would be fine especially if that could be customised. Its why I am for some sort of event or theme manager in nvda with sound schemes like audiothemes but we can set up different events such as cut, copy paste, typing if we want, maybe have somethings that instead of speaking we get announcements. Would be nice if we had haptic keyboards or mice or touchpads on desktops, that may work. I do sometimes find to many spoken messages to be verbose and grating on my ears. You may not however.
On 14/01/2020 7:52 am, Gene wrote:
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NVDA with Windows 10 Pe
hurrikennyandopo ...
Hi guys
I have been asked the following question below. I have not used the program but some one else might of. By the way has any one got a updated link to the images either the link is timing out or broken to them. he is after the windows 10 version or he might already have it? Hi Gene, Happy new year to you, I thought you would be the best person to question on this one. I’ve just taken on a new role and one of the things I should be doing is reimaging computers One of the tools used in this situation is to back up all data from user folders etc with a tool called: “Macrium”, This product runs on a Windows 10 PE installation from a flash drive. I did a quick search on / through Google And it appears NVDA is able to work from / on Windows PE or at least was able to back in mid 2019. I just want to confirm that this is possible and if anyone within the NVDA team might have suggestions on how to ensure things work correctly. Thanks for any assistance you can provide. Gene nz
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Re: Chromium Based Microsoft Edge Beta
There should be something in the menu when there is an update available. If not, go to the menu and click "about". Not sure where exactly on that page it will be. It should be there if there is an update. It should automatically update.
On 1/13/2020 9:50 AM, Ron Canazzi
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Hi Group,
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Re: NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?
JM Casey
It’s been a while since I did this, but personally I download subtitles from a site like this one and read them on a braille display, since I want to hear the voices of the actors and not a synth. It is hard to keep up sometimees and there is no syncing with the video since I just read as a text file, but it’s doable, though sometimes you have to be a fast reader. Sighted people have this issue too though of not always being able to keep up with fast dialogue, even if they are at a bit of an advantage.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Oriana
For various reasons, the subtitles for many English and foreign films are available at https://www.opensubtitles.org . Keep in mind that the subtitle standard is to record the speaker name for every line, but many publicly contributed subtitles simply don't. Timing can also be extremely frustrating.
On Sun, Jan 12, 2020, 3:03 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
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Re: ocr solutions
Gene
There is confusion on the subject. There is
an add-on to provide OCR for versions of Windows lower than Windows 10.
Windows 10 has its own OCr, so the add-on is no longer used.
for purchase.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single Sent: January 12, 2020 6:36 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions That's strange that it would be in 7 and not ten. And no, win 7 is not being discontinued, it is not being fully supported. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell Sent: January-12-20 3:32 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions There is but it only runs on windows 7 which is going to be discontinued in 48 hours (two days). OCR in NVDA is built in on windows 10. If you try to do insert R desktop or caps lock R laptop and your laptop or desktop runs windows 7 it will say, Windows 10 OCR not available. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:43 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions Isn't there an ocr addon for nvda? -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss Sent: January-12-20 2:26 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions Hmph, another reason to maybe not use jaws, to be honest, if nvda could have some scanner addon which could use finereader engine and others I'd probably buy it, I mean I'd like a standalone program to but still. It seems the best way forward is mainstream software then. I'd like to know if those that use omnipage especially the later versions and the ultimate version especially find it better than abbyy or whatever. I have a user staying on abyy 12 because its accessible, however, it means I am using older software which will probably go out of date. There was a time 3 or so years back when the network relied on dragon naturally speaking and an offer/add came up from nuance about omnipage and a rediculous offer on ultimate but I never took that. On 13/01/2020 9:05 am, Sky Mundell wrote: > No they aren't they said they're now putting the OCR functions in JAWS. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of > Don H > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 11:48 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions > > Open book hasn't been updated for years and I don't think that FS is > planning on updating it any time soon. > > > > > > >
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Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues
Gene
You shouldn't, but it sure is nice to save eight or
nine hundred dollars and get the current version.
Gene
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From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues Well its not exactly difficult, but its just I should be able to read the window is all. Like I should be able to scroll the combo boxes in options and access the menus without delays. I didn't have this issue on finereader version 12 to 14 as such though others I know say that some of the buttons had issues but I never had them so I can't really comment. On 14/01/2020 7:38 am, Gene wrote:
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Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues
Gene
I should add that its been a long time since I used
that very old version. I may be incorrect and you may have to delete the
material before scanning new material. You could probably cut it to the
clipboard but if you are going to do that or the copy method, I would suggest
that having Clip Speak is important. You need verification of copy and
paste so you can do these things with confidence. You don't want to check
every time you paste to be sure the correct material was pasted. In short,
if you hear that material is copied and then pasted, it will save time in
checking the end of every page to make sure it is different from last
time. Just one more reason its long since time to have copy and paste
announced as a part of NVDA.
Gene
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If the window appears to be blank, what happens if
you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into
Notepad?
In a very old version I used to use, my
recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced
the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting. It was a little
extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth
it.
I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult
to use regarding the recognized text in the window.
Gene
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From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues I am in discussons with abbyy on the fine reader program. Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do, 1. do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling. 2. is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and are all things read. 3. is the ocr editor working right and reading things. In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work. Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info. Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when scroling. When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to be blank. These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs an addon. Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write addons maybe.
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Re: ocr solutions
JM Casey
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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single Sent: January 12, 2020 6:36 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions That's strange that it would be in 7 and not ten. And no, win 7 is not being discontinued, it is not being fully supported. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell Sent: January-12-20 3:32 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions There is but it only runs on windows 7 which is going to be discontinued in 48 hours (two days). OCR in NVDA is built in on windows 10. If you try to do insert R desktop or caps lock R laptop and your laptop or desktop runs windows 7 it will say, Windows 10 OCR not available. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:43 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions Isn't there an ocr addon for nvda? -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss Sent: January-12-20 2:26 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions Hmph, another reason to maybe not use jaws, to be honest, if nvda could have some scanner addon which could use finereader engine and others I'd probably buy it, I mean I'd like a standalone program to but still. It seems the best way forward is mainstream software then. I'd like to know if those that use omnipage especially the later versions and the ultimate version especially find it better than abbyy or whatever. I have a user staying on abyy 12 because its accessible, however, it means I am using older software which will probably go out of date. There was a time 3 or so years back when the network relied on dragon naturally speaking and an offer/add came up from nuance about omnipage and a rediculous offer on ultimate but I never took that. On 13/01/2020 9:05 am, Sky Mundell wrote: No they aren't they said they're now putting the OCR functions in JAWS.
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Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues
Well its not exactly difficult, but its just I should be able to read the window is all. Like I should be able to scroll the combo boxes in options and access the menus without delays. I didn't have this issue on finereader version 12 to 14 as such though others I know say that some of the buttons had issues but I never had them so I can't really comment.
On 14/01/2020 7:38 am, Gene wrote:
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Re: ocr solutions
Well I am thinking that there probably should be an addon for abbyy, but there are a lot of people making addons as it is.
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I am still working with support on the abbyy issue. Goes to show though that if it works with jaws and narator it doesn't mean it will necessarilly fully work with nvda.
On 14/01/2020 5:51 am, Chris Nestrud wrote:
I bought ABBYY FineReader Standard late last year. Accessibility is very
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Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues
Gene
If the window appears to be blank, what happens if
you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into
Notepad?
In a very old version I used to use, my
recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced
the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting. It was a little
extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth
it.
I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult
to use regarding the recognized text in the window.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues I am in discussons with abbyy on the fine reader program. Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do, 1. do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling. 2. is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and are all things read. 3. is the ocr editor working right and reading things. In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work. Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info. Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when scroling. When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to be blank. These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs an addon. Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write addons maybe.
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Re: ocr solutions
Chris Nestrud
I bought ABBYY FineReader Standard late last year. Accessibility is very
good, including hot keys for accessing most functions. There are a couple places with focus issues; this could probably be fixed with an add-on to reset focus in certain windows. Chris
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