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Re: NVDA and express vpn

Giles Turnbull
 

I used Express VPN for the year between September 2018 and 2019 while I was living in a uni hall of residence so wanted to minimise any potential wifi snooping.

I found Express VPN very hard to use with NVDA. I figured out which button to press to turn the VPN on (none of the buttons are spoken as anything other than "button") and I could hear the label next to the switch network .... but it never gave me any alternative VPN networks other than the one it was connected to ... maybe it did list other networks but didn't speak them ... whatever the reason Express VPN worked as far as connecting to one single VPN network, but nothing at all more than that.

I haven't tried using a VPN since the Express VPN experience, but do read any posts about them on here in case something easy to use does get suggested :)

Giles


Re: Alternatives to Excel

 

Hmmm firstly do you still have your old excell licence key or office licence key at all?

Do you have your office cd at all?

You probably can get that back, however be aware that office 2007 I think is about to be out of support.

I have used libre office on a cloud system and its worked well enough.

You can always buy another office, either a so called recycled key from ebay and take the risk that its fake, get into the office home program if working in a company I think its called home use, or simply buy office.

Right now, I  think you still can buy office versions 2013 and up and while 2019 the latest is best they still update 2016 regularly.

The support and updates on 2013 that I have on another system are getting less but still it can be done.

There is office 365 to subscribe to if you are looking to that point and if you  run the office program in windows you can get it.

I havn't used openoffice extensively enough to know if it or libre will work for your needs or not.

I have used libre as part of a home solution and it does for the most part seem to work well.

Office online may be another option for you, I am not sure how well that works.

On 16/01/2020 12:43 am, Chris Mullins wrote:
Hi
A hard disk crash has seen off my copy of Excel 2007 so I'm looking
for an alternative amongst Open Office, Libra Office and Google. Are
there any NVDA users out there that could give me feedback regarding
the accessibility of these products and whether I could still access
my existing Excel format spreadsheets with any or all of them? Your
advice would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers
Chris


.


Re: a question about the new edge browser

Hareth
 

It hasn't been bundled with windows update as expected here.
had to look for it and found the online installer from the stable
channel link, It did replace the old ugly edge.
Here is the URL:
https://c2rsetup.officeapps.live.com/c2r/downloadEdge.aspx?ProductreleaseID=Edge&;platform=Default&version=Edge&source=EdgeInsiderPage&Channel=Stable&language=en

On 1/15/20, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
To be honest I am happy they didn't role all of it out today.

I have been spending most of the morning updating 2 laptops and 2
desktop units.

In these I had codecs, java, flash, windows update and store updates as
well as office and some gps updates.

In addition some of these units like my laptop and one of the desktops
had spaciffic driver updates and its taken me 4 hours so its good its
tomorrow.



On 15/01/2020 3:03 pm, Governor staten wrote:

Starting tomorrow, they will roll out the update for the Edge browser.
It will come through Windows Update.



------------------------------------------------------------------------


On 1/14/2020 8:20 PM, Bobby Vinton wrote:
Hay I was wondering if the new edge will just come to my computer or
will I have to down load the browser.  Edge comes out this Wednesday.
that's why I am asking.  Just let me know.






Re: Dropbox interfering with NVDA when reading Word files

Clive Lever
 

Thanks,

 

I’ll give that a go and report back.

 

Best,

Clive

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 10:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox interfering with NVDA when reading Word files

 

Not at all stupid Clive.

 

First of all

Windows plus B to get to the notification area / system tray.

If you hear notification chevron you should press space on that to open up all your system tray icons to view. You can change settings so that your icons all show all the time but I will give instructions for that in another email if needed.

Now cursor left or right until you hear DropBox. If for whatever reason you miss this and hear notification chevron again then press space on this to make sure all your icons are showing.

As soon as you hear DropBox press the space bar.

This should open up the context menu in DropBox’s case – it does on my system.

From this menu select preferences.

Tab down to the section where it talks about badges and set this to never show and your problems with opening Office documents should disappear.

 

N>B  A regrettable feature of the system tray in Windows is that the key to open up the context menu varies. Sometimes it is enter, sometimes it is space as in this case and sometimes it is the application key. You need to experiment with each icon to see what works.

David Griffith

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clive Lever
Sent: 15 January 2020 00:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox interfering with NVDA when reading Word files

 

Thanks David,

 

It always sounds stupid, but how do I get to Dropbox in the system tray?

 

Thanks,

Clive

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox interfering with NVDA when reading Word files

 

 

I don’t know if my original suggestion  ever got posted but this  problem disappeared for  me when I went to DropBox preferences in the system tray and turned badges notifications to never show in the General tab.

 

I have never, since  doing this, had had any issue opening Office Files of any kind in my DropBox under Windows.

 

I mention this again as it seems not to have been discussed as an obvious solution despite my trying to post it yesterday.

David Griffith

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abbie Taylor
Sent: 14 January 2020 23:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox interfering with NVDA when reading Word files

 

Shaun, I'm having the same issue as Clive. I usually open files directly in Word, no matter where they are. I still have this issue with files in Dropbox whether I'm opening them  there or in Word. Fortunately, I don't need those files in Dropbox, so I've moved them to a different location.
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Help getting NVDA to read descriptions of elements in SVGs

Paddy Uglow <paddy.uglow@...>
 

Hi,

This is my first post here – I develop learning resources for a university and we want to make them NVDA-friendly.

 

I’m  currently working on a decision tree, which can be seen here:

https://www.creativemedia.org.uk/interactive-trees/filtration-tryout.html

 

I want to add an invisible description to each node on the tree to help NVDA users navigate.

Below is part of the SVG (Scalable Vector Graphic) from the page: I’ve used the aria-label tag to explain where the node fits in the tree, but my NVDA doesn’t read it out. I’ve also tried title, alt and label in various places but they don’t get read out either.

Can anyone give me any hints or solutions? All I can think of is to use a hidden <div> which I don’t think is an ideal solution.

Thank you

  • Paddy

 

<svg width="950" height="800">

<g class="node" transform="translate(697.5,95)">

<foreignObject tabindex="0" focusable="true" height="48" aria-label="Option for choice, 'An example of a decision tree.'" width="110" x="-55" class="nodestyle">Keep liquid</foreignObject>

</g>

</svg>


Re: Accessible password managers, again.

 

FireFox is one of your best bets, but if you need to manually export your passwords for whatever reason, that's not easy to do. It is accessible though, and can generate strong passwords but I've never gotten FireFox's generator to work with the keyboard. Managing passwords is accessible, though. Chromium Edge is far better at doing this, in all aspects, though.


Re: State of the NvDA Remote add-on: NV Access sent patches to add-on authors

Salvador Domenech Miguel
 

Oh yas. Thank you  so much, because is an add-on really interesting for people who gives support and something like that.

Cheers.

Salva Domenech
Comunicación y soporte a usuarios

El 15 ene 2020, a las 0:36, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> escribió:

Hello NVDA users, especially NVDA Remote add-on fans:
 
For the last few months, many of you were wondering about what’s going on with NVDA Remote add-on, which isn’t compatible with upcoming NVDA 2019.3. I’m delighted to announce that something is indeed happening with the add-on. According to Reef Turner, an NV Access staff and NVDA developer, NV Access people just sent a series of patches to Remote add-on developers to make the add-on ready for NVDA 2019.3.
Stay tuned for updates on this front.
Cheers,
Joseph


Re: State of the NvDA Remote add-on: NV Access sent patches to add-on authors

Kara Goldfinch
 

Joseph,

This is fantastic news.

Thanks for letting us all know.

Kara

On 14/01/2020 23:36, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hello NVDA users, especially NVDA Remote add-on fans:

 

For the last few months, many of you were wondering about what’s going on with NVDA Remote add-on, which isn’t compatible with upcoming NVDA 2019.3. I’m delighted to announce that something is indeed happening with the add-on. According to Reef Turner, an NV Access staff and NVDA developer, NV Access people just sent a series of patches to Remote add-on developers to make the add-on ready for NVDA 2019.3.

Stay tuned for updates on this front.

Cheers,

Joseph

--

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Re: Alternatives to Excel

cecropia64
 

hi:


open office is also a good alternative.  works very well and more or less replaces Microsoft Office. Doesn't have all the bells and whistles but if   you just want spread sheetts and documents, it works well.

On 1/15/2020 6:53 AM, René Linke wrote:
Hi,

LibreOffice is now very accessible because it is getting many updates in short time (improvements, security fixes, etc.).

René



Re: Alternatives to Excel

René Linke <rene.linke@...>
 

Hi,

LibreOffice is now very accessible because it is getting many updates in short time (improvements, security fixes, etc.).

René


Alternatives to Excel

Chris Mullins
 

Hi
A hard disk crash has seen off my copy of Excel 2007 so I'm looking
for an alternative amongst Open Office, Libra Office and Google. Are
there any NVDA users out there that could give me feedback regarding
the accessibility of these products and whether I could still access
my existing Excel format spreadsheets with any or all of them? Your
advice would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers
Chris


Re: NVDA and express vpn

Vlad Dragomir
 

Hello,

The Windows app isn't accessible at all, and I truly mean it when I say so. The android version is better, it does have some issues but they are not essential. On the other hand, the service is of a very good quality. My work around is to connect manually on Windows, without using their software.

Regards,

Vlad.


Re: Excel and VBa 2010 Questions

Pele West
 

Hi chris

Thanks for writing and confirming that I am not going mad.

JAWS and Window-Eyes do not seem to have this problem with VBA code.

I really don't want to have to copy the code to Notepad unless I have to.

Pele


Re: Dropbox interfering with NVDA when reading Word files

David Griffith
 

Not at all stupid Clive.

 

First of all

Windows plus B to get to the notification area / system tray.

If you hear notification chevron you should press space on that to open up all your system tray icons to view. You can change settings so that your icons all show all the time but I will give instructions for that in another email if needed.

Now cursor left or right until you hear DropBox. If for whatever reason you miss this and hear notification chevron again then press space on this to make sure all your icons are showing.

As soon as you hear DropBox press the space bar.

This should open up the context menu in DropBox’s case – it does on my system.

From this menu select preferences.

Tab down to the section where it talks about badges and set this to never show and your problems with opening Office documents should disappear.

 

N>B  A regrettable feature of the system tray in Windows is that the key to open up the context menu varies. Sometimes it is enter, sometimes it is space as in this case and sometimes it is the application key. You need to experiment with each icon to see what works.

David Griffith

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clive Lever
Sent: 15 January 2020 00:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox interfering with NVDA when reading Word files

 

Thanks David,

 

It always sounds stupid, but how do I get to Dropbox in the system tray?

 

Thanks,

Clive

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox interfering with NVDA when reading Word files

 

 

I don’t know if my original suggestion  ever got posted but this  problem disappeared for  me when I went to DropBox preferences in the system tray and turned badges notifications to never show in the General tab.

 

I have never, since  doing this, had had any issue opening Office Files of any kind in my DropBox under Windows.

 

I mention this again as it seems not to have been discussed as an obvious solution despite my trying to post it yesterday.

David Griffith

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abbie Taylor
Sent: 14 January 2020 23:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox interfering with NVDA when reading Word files

 

Shaun, I'm having the same issue as Clive. I usually open files directly in Word, no matter where they are. I still have this issue with files in Dropbox whether I'm opening them  there or in Word. Fortunately, I don't need those files in Dropbox, so I've moved them to a different location.
--
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http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
abbietaylor945@...


Re: Elementary Question I'm afraid: How do I access the toolbars on screen with NVDA?

Jacob Kruger
 

Toolbars explorer add-on?


https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/toolbarsExplorer.en.html


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2020-01-15 06:14 AM, Gene wrote:
We'll see what others say, but I am not aware of an NVDA command to access tool bars.  I vaguely seem to remember a JAWS command being available but I never used it and I haven't seen anything about it for a long time. 
 
Sometimes, f6 will move you from pane to pane in a Windows program and you can move to tool bars that way.  I suspect other times, you would have to use something like object navigation.  Others who know a lot more will, I expect provide information but this may give you things to try. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> The subject line says it all. I apologise that this is probably an
> elementary question. I'm asking because I've only recently started using
> NVDA as my main Screenreader, and Jaws as secondary (only when I have to).
> Until recently I prioritised them the other way round.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Clive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
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Re: Elementary Question I'm afraid: How do I access the toolbars on screen with NVDA?

Mobeen Iqbal
 

Hi Clive.

It depends which program you're in, what toolbars are present and what you would like to do. For example, there is a scanning program that you cannot operate unless you access the toolbars as there is no menu bar. But word has toolbars that people seldom need. So the question is do you need to access the toolbars? if so, what program are you trying to access?

Cheers,

Mo.


On 15/01/2020 00:37, Clive Lever wrote:

Hi all,

 

The subject line says it all. I apologise that this is probably an elementary question. I’m asking because I’ve only recently started using NVDA as my main Screenreader, and Jaws as secondary (only when I have to). Until recently I prioritised them the other way round.

 

Thanks,

Clive

 

 


Re: State of the NvDA Remote add-on: NV Access sent patches to add-on authors

Hareth
 

No. Jaws tandem is a problem for a lot of corporations and offices.
Or that's at least what they believe.
That's why FS have created a way for customized non tandem installers.

On 1/15/20, Lenron <lenron93@gmail.com> wrote:
It's insane after all jaws has remote and it's not a problem.

On 1/14/20, Mark via Groups.Io <marktyler2014=virginmedia.com@groups.io>
wrote:
I agree 100% as team leader of a tech team we use nvda remote all the
time
Mark.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 15 January 2020 01:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] State of the NvDA Remote add-on: NV Access sent
patches
to add-on authors

Agreed. I still don't understand why it is not added to core. After all
we
have jaws tandem and no one complains about it. So why not nvda remote in
nvda itself? This would be useful for us personal helpers too. I hear
that
feedback all the time on the phone, or on twitter etc.
Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is
also our libsyn page as well.
to subscribe to the feed click here
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On 14 Jan 2020, at 16:35, Robert Kingett wrote:
This is the beauty of open source software. I only wish this could be
added
to the core without non profits and government people freaking out about
it.
I'm beyond happy this is an open source project. The add on, and the
screen
reader. I also, of course, understand why many see this add on as a
possible
security risk. While I don't think the same way, I can understand the
need
for high security assurance. Could multiple people from the NVDA
community
be in charge of that github page so they could review and merge changes
if
the developers become completely tired of it in the future?






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Re: State of the NvDA Remote add-on: NV Access sent patches to add-on authors

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

So then I guess in short from a network admin would be is there a way to lock down the remote add on if it becomes part of nvda for security risk? or will it be safe as only when nvda is running it can be used then.


I guess you have to look at it from a network admin point of view. I think they can have it so add ons can not be installed etc if they do not want people to use them.

if it does not become part of NVDA and only get added in certain cases to do work with I guess we will see before long.


Gene nz


On 15/01/2020 5:15 pm, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


Out of curiosity most installs of jaws I have seen are not on a huge network There might be lone machines I mean only a copy on one pc  out of all of them on a network.


If so have they got it so the remote add on will not work on a huge network or some how have it disabled.

I mean as in there version of the addon tandam.

Or are they happy to let the person use a tandam remote part of jaws?


The reason I ask this is here in new Zealand the 3 large networks which are library networks have nvda installed on all of there computers.

The APN K network 750 computers.Christ church libraries 390 computers

Auckland libraries 600 computers all with nvda on them.


So I would be guessing they would have to lock down the remote add on some how if it was installed into nvda you would say for security purposes.

I know if nvda is not running then it does not matter.


I guess we will have to wait and see what happens.


home use etc does not matter but a large network might and might be one of the questions from them to know how to do it if part of NVDA.


Gene nz


On 15/01/2020 2:02 pm, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Agreed. I still don't understand why it is not added to core. After all we have jaws tandem and no one complains about it. So why not nvda remote in nvda itself? This would be useful for us personal helpers too. I hear that feedback all the time on the phone, or on twitter etc.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.

to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 14 Jan 2020, at 16:35, Robert Kingett wrote:

This is the beauty of open source software. I only wish this could be added to the core without non profits and government people freaking out about it. I'm beyond happy this is an open source project. The add on, and the screen reader. I also, of course, understand why many see this add on as a possible security risk. While I don't think the same way, I can understand the need for high security assurance. Could multiple people from the NVDA community be in charge of that github page so they could review and merge changes if the developers become completely tired of it in the future?


Re: Elementary Question I'm afraid: How do I access the toolbars on screen with NVDA?

 

hi.

I wish to preempt the following with the following statement.

After my conduct on the windows list I am trying to be a little less abrupt.

I am not sure how important toolbars are currently.

I know that for a long time from windows 95 through to xp and even 7, toolbars had stuff on them that were found in menus and were conciddered by me and others as just clutter and you just turned them off.

I have however heard conflicting things that they actually may actually be usefull but never use them myself.

Most stuff is in a menu or ribbon or something.

Then again I have never found something that I have really needed a toolbar before.

I know there is a toolbars explorer addon and while I have had it installed I have yet to need a toolbar of any sort as such.

Saying that, I have tweaks to menuise as much of the windows shell as I can, and everything I use like thunderbird I never need to access a bar bar status.

With status itself in the traditional form changing, I am unsure how true it is for any bar in any program if its got a use  or not.

With a lot of things being web based especially with chromium type deals its probable we actually won't need a toolbar, at least not generally, I mean never say never but there are things we didn't need in the past, either through access or they didn't exist before and we got on without them.

For example I never needed to login with an account and can get round with an apps account, then again I don't use all services and whatever, however there are always different ways of accessing windows even if microsoft wants you to do something else.

Thats true of other companies to.

The same is with toolbars.

I have never needed to use one but it doesn't mean others may use them.

I havn't needed to care if a command exists or not, but I will hold off judgement on if we need one or not.

I have honestly never looked into that sort of thing and I most like never will unless it is something I frequently need.


On 15/01/2020 5:14 pm, Gene wrote:
We'll see what others say, but I am not aware of an NVDA command to access tool bars.  I vaguely seem to remember a JAWS command being available but I never used it and I haven't seen anything about it for a long time. 
 
Sometimes, f6 will move you from pane to pane in a Windows program and you can move to tool bars that way.  I suspect other times, you would have to use something like object navigation.  Others who know a lot more will, I expect provide information but this may give you things to try. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> The subject line says it all. I apologise that this is probably an
> elementary question. I'm asking because I've only recently started using
> NVDA as my main Screenreader, and Jaws as secondary (only when I have to).
> Until recently I prioritised them the other way round.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Clive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



Re: State of the NvDA Remote add-on: NV Access sent patches to add-on authors

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Out of curiosity most installs of jaws I have seen are not on a huge network There might be lone machines I mean only a copy on one pc  out of all of them on a network.


If so have they got it so the remote add on will not work on a huge network or some how have it disabled.

I mean as in there version of the addon tandam.

Or are they happy to let the person use a tandam remote part of jaws?


The reason I ask this is here in new Zealand the 3 large networks which are library networks have nvda installed on all of there computers.

The APN K network 750 computers.Christ church libraries 390 computers

Auckland libraries 600 computers all with nvda on them.


So I would be guessing they would have to lock down the remote add on some how if it was installed into nvda you would say for security purposes.

I know if nvda is not running then it does not matter.


I guess we will have to wait and see what happens.


home use etc does not matter but a large network might and might be one of the questions from them to know how to do it if part of NVDA.


Gene nz


On 15/01/2020 2:02 pm, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Agreed. I still don't understand why it is not added to core. After all we have jaws tandem and no one complains about it. So why not nvda remote in nvda itself? This would be useful for us personal helpers too. I hear that feedback all the time on the phone, or on twitter etc.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.

to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 14 Jan 2020, at 16:35, Robert Kingett wrote:

This is the beauty of open source software. I only wish this could be added to the core without non profits and government people freaking out about it. I'm beyond happy this is an open source project. The add on, and the screen reader. I also, of course, understand why many see this add on as a possible security risk. While I don't think the same way, I can understand the need for high security assurance. Could multiple people from the NVDA community be in charge of that github page so they could review and merge changes if the developers become completely tired of it in the future?

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