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Re: NVDA: QUESTION

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, thanks for this. I got it anyway from twitter, but will keep this around just in case.

On 18/11/2019 04:16, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Kevin,
The address for In-Process is: https://www.nvaccess.org/category/in-process/
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 8:57 AM Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io <mailto:googlemail.com@groups.io>> wrote:
Hi Quentin,   sorry I deleted the wrong email,   can yo send the url
for
the nvda in process again? sorry.
On 15/11/2019 07:50, Quentin Christensen wrote:
> Thanks Christo!
>
> We really appreciate the kind words!
>
> You have a great weekend too, and if you're free, feel free to
tune in
> to some of NVDACon: https://www.nvdacon.org/
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 6:46 PM Christo Vorster
> <christo.vorster.klavierstem@...
<mailto:christo.vorster.klavierstem@...>
> <mailto:christo.vorster.klavierstem@...
<mailto:christo.vorster.klavierstem@...>>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Quentin____
>
>     __ __
>
>     Thanks for the explanation. I must admit, I always was, and
still is
>     amazed tha the developers are able to update NVDA so frequently.
>     Yes, you are correct that whe all would prefer a stable
release.____
>
>     __ __
>
>     I can just repeat, thanks for the stunning work, you, and
everybody
>     involved in developing NVDA are doing. I’m sure I speak on
behalf of
>     all the users, you gave us the best possible alternative to
>     affordable speech available. I am of the opinion that NVDA is
>     probably the best speech package available.____
>
>     __ __
>
>     Thanks again, and have a nice day____
>
>     __ __
>
>     *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>     [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>] *On Behalf
>     Of *Quentin Christensen
>     *Sent:* Friday, 15 November 2019 09:29
>     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>     *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA: QUESTION____
>
>     __ __
>
>     You haven't missed anything Christo, and yes we'd normally
have the
>     third release out by now and be working on the 4th.  We're
making a
>     couple of big changes under the hood for 2019.3 - they
shouldn't be
>     too obvious when running NVDA, but they are key to future
works:____
>
>     - Speech Refactor will make it easier to update speech in
future (eg
>     to add earcons or reorder speech)____
>
>     - Moving to Python 3 is crucial, as Python 2 is about to reach
>     end-of-life and will no longer be supported from early next
year.
>     Also, people who have learnt to code Python in recent years will
>     have learnt Python 3 so this will make it easier for them to get
>     involved with NVDA.____
>
>     __ __
>
>     These changes have necessitated updates to many add-ons, and to
>     ensure that users are not left without working add-ons, we
are not
>     rushing NVDA 2019.3 but have been working with add-on
developers to
>     ensure everything transitions as smoothly as possible for
everyone
>     once NVDA 2019.3 does come out.____
>
>     __ __
>
>     If you're curious about your favourite add-ons, you can view this
>     list compiled by Joseph Lee (Thanks Joseph!) on the Add-ons site:
> https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/nvdapy3.en.html____
>
>     __ __
>
>     You can also download the latest NVDA Alpha snapshots from
> https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/ to try them out.____
>
>     __ __
>
>     At this stage, we're expecting NVDA 2019.3, when it comes
out, will
>     be the last release this year.  We know everyone likes a new
>     release, but we're sure you like a stable release more so that's
>     what we're determined to bring you :)____
>
>     __ __
>
>     Regards____
>
>     __ __
>
>     Quentin.____
>
>     __ __
>
>     On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 5:10 PM Christo Vorster
>     <christo.vorster.klavierstem@...
<mailto:christo.vorster.klavierstem@...>
>     <mailto:christo.vorster.klavierstem@...
<mailto:christo.vorster.klavierstem@...>>> wrote:____
>
>         Hi Group____
>
>         ____
>
>         I have missed quite a lot of messages, thus the following
>         question____
>
>         ____
>
>         Currently I have version 2019.2.1 running. I got used to the
>         fact that, by this time of the year, version .3 was out
and we
>         were awaiting version .4. I am just curious regarding what is
>         the situation.____
>
>         ____
>
>         I don’t have a problem with 2019.2.1, but am just
curious.____
>
>         ____
>
>         Thanks for the stunning work you all are doing.____
>
>         ____
>
>         Regards____
>
>         ____
>
>         Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)____
>
>
>     ____
>
>     __ __
>
>     -- ____
>
>     Quentin Christensen
>     Training and Support Manager____
>
>     __ __
>
>     Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
<http://www.nvaccess.org/>____
>
>     Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/____
>
>     Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/____
>
>     User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda____
>
>     Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>     Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>____
>
>     __
>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
<http://www.nvaccess.org/>
> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>


Re: NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Jaffar Sidek
 

HI.  IntelliJ Idea has had problems with accessibility since time immemorial.  Perhaps you would consider eclipse?  Or if it is Android programming you are in to, then Android Studio?  Those aren't the best accessibility wise, but they do work much better with NVDA.  Also, you might want to check if you have the Latest version of the Java SDK as they concequently come with the latest version of the Java Access Bridge.  I have no idea of the degree of accessibility of versions later then version 8 though because I have stuck to Java 8 and all it's builds since it's inception.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 12:19 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
Hello Gene,

Unfortunately that won't help. IntelliJ is a Java application. Therefore you need the Java Access bridge in order to be able to use it with NVDA. The problem is that the Java Access Bridge will only load if the accessibility service is running. Thus if NVDA is not running while I start the application, I won't be able to work with the program since the access bridge isn't loaded.
On a similar note: if you restart NVDA while working with the program, you also lose the access bridge and need to restart the program as well.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 16:19 schreef Gene:
What happens if you unload NVDA, run the other program, then run NVDA again?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Hi,

Using NVDA 2019.2.1, NVDA randomly freezes when I open IntelliJ IDE
(Community edition 2019.2.4).
When it happens, NVDA hangs and won't report anything (also when
switching to other applications with alt+tab). Also IntelliJ hangs and
will not open the current project. The only thing I can do is to start
Windows Narrator, which does keep working, and end the IntelliJ process
via the task manager. When the IntelliJ process is killed NVDA unfreezes.

Is there a way to make sure, or to increase the chance, that I can start
IntelliJ without NVDA and IntelliJ locking each other?

When NVDA is back I have the following snippet in the log viewer:

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (10:08:48.759):
Core frozen in stack:
   File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>
   File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
   File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
   File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
   File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 663, in processFocusWinEvent
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 534, in winEventToNVDAEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 85, in __call__
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 412, in
findOverlayClasses
   File "JABHandler.pyo", line 707, in isJavaWindow

Best,
Henk




Re: Recommendations of IDE or command line interface for Python newby?

Sascha Cowley
 

I've never had a problem using the windows CLI.

On 19/11/2019 02:57, Aine Kelly Costello wrote:

Hi all,

?

I?m doing a data journalism course, and one part of it (starting Wednesday) is learning basic Python. I?m using NVDA and Notepad++, and as I understand, I need to set up a way to use a command line as apparently the Windows command line alone is not so user-friendly.

?

I know I will be using the Beautiful Soup library for web-scraping, but other than that, don?t have much info yet.

?

Many thanks in advance for any assistance!

?

?ine


Re: NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Gene
 

Its too bad that simple solution won't work.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Hello Gene,

Unfortunately that won't help. IntelliJ is a Java application. Therefore you need the Java Access bridge in order to be able to use it with NVDA. The problem is that the Java Access Bridge will only load if the accessibility service is running. Thus if NVDA is not running while I start the application, I won't be able to work with the program since the access bridge isn't loaded.
On a similar note: if you restart NVDA while working with the program, you also lose the access bridge and need to restart the program as well.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 16:19 schreef Gene:
What happens if you unload NVDA, run the other program, then run NVDA again?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Hi,

Using NVDA 2019.2.1, NVDA randomly freezes when I open IntelliJ IDE
(Community edition 2019.2.4).
When it happens, NVDA hangs and won't report anything (also when
switching to other applications with alt+tab). Also IntelliJ hangs and
will not open the current project. The only thing I can do is to start
Windows Narrator, which does keep working, and end the IntelliJ process
via the task manager. When the IntelliJ process is killed NVDA unfreezes.

Is there a way to make sure, or to increase the chance, that I can start
IntelliJ without NVDA and IntelliJ locking each other?

When NVDA is back I have the following snippet in the log viewer:

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (10:08:48.759):
Core frozen in stack:
   File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>
   File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
   File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
   File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
   File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 663, in processFocusWinEvent
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 534, in winEventToNVDAEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 85, in __call__
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 412, in
findOverlayClasses
   File "JABHandler.pyo", line 707, in isJavaWindow

Best,
Henk




help with Clip Contents Designer add on please

Luke
 

Hi! I just downloaded the Clip Contents Designer  add on. I have a couple questions with it and I  am  hoping I could get some help with it. I am hoping to do a input gesture and change the copy added text to clipboard  command which is NVDA + windows + C to something else because that key combination is too awkward for me. I have never done a input gesture before.  I went to preferences, input gestures, text review and saw that 1  of the 2 key board commands this add on uses is there which is described as  clear the clipboard  in the manual, but  when in the text review menu it says’ Deletes the added text and the content of the clipboard “ . I can’t find the command I want to change with a input gesture which is  NVDA + windows + c which adds selected text to the clipboard. I am thinking if one of the two commands are there the other is hopefully there too. Does anybody know where I can find it? Also, Since I have downloaded this add on  every time I use the  plain copy to clipboard NVDA + C, I get a dialogue box coming up  saying  if I want to confirm and copy to the clipboard. That displeases me very much LOL. Very annoying Lol.  Does anyone know how  to get rid of that?  I did go to, preferences, settings,  then Clip Contents Designer   and there was options in there, but couldn’t find what I was looking for. Thanks

 


Re: NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Henk Mulder
 

Hello Gene,

Unfortunately that won't help. IntelliJ is a Java application. Therefore you need the Java Access bridge in order to be able to use it with NVDA. The problem is that the Java Access Bridge will only load if the accessibility service is running. Thus if NVDA is not running while I start the application, I won't be able to work with the program since the access bridge isn't loaded.
On a similar note: if you restart NVDA while working with the program, you also lose the access bridge and need to restart the program as well.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 16:19 schreef Gene:

What happens if you unload NVDA, run the other program, then run NVDA again?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Hi,

Using NVDA 2019.2.1, NVDA randomly freezes when I open IntelliJ IDE
(Community edition 2019.2.4).
When it happens, NVDA hangs and won't report anything (also when
switching to other applications with alt+tab). Also IntelliJ hangs and
will not open the current project. The only thing I can do is to start
Windows Narrator, which does keep working, and end the IntelliJ process
via the task manager. When the IntelliJ process is killed NVDA unfreezes.

Is there a way to make sure, or to increase the chance, that I can start
IntelliJ without NVDA and IntelliJ locking each other?

When NVDA is back I have the following snippet in the log viewer:

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (10:08:48.759):
Core frozen in stack:
   File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>
   File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
   File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
   File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
   File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 663, in processFocusWinEvent
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 534, in winEventToNVDAEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 85, in __call__
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 412, in
findOverlayClasses
   File "JABHandler.pyo", line 707, in isJavaWindow

Best,
Henk




Recommendations of IDE or command line interface for Python newby?

Aine Kelly Costello
 

Hi all,

 

I’m doing a data journalism course, and one part of it (starting Wednesday) is learning basic Python. I’m using NVDA and Notepad++, and as I understand, I need to set up a way to use a command line as apparently the Windows command line alone is not so user-friendly.

 

I know I will be using the Beautiful Soup library for web-scraping, but other than that, don’t have much info yet.

 

Many thanks in advance for any assistance!

 

Áine


Re: NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Gene
 

What happens if you unload NVDA, run the other program, then run NVDA again?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Hi,

Using NVDA 2019.2.1, NVDA randomly freezes when I open IntelliJ IDE
(Community edition 2019.2.4).
When it happens, NVDA hangs and won't report anything (also when
switching to other applications with alt+tab). Also IntelliJ hangs and
will not open the current project. The only thing I can do is to start
Windows Narrator, which does keep working, and end the IntelliJ process
via the task manager. When the IntelliJ process is killed NVDA unfreezes.

Is there a way to make sure, or to increase the chance, that I can start
IntelliJ without NVDA and IntelliJ locking each other?

When NVDA is back I have the following snippet in the log viewer:

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (10:08:48.759):
Core frozen in stack:
   File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>
   File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
   File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
   File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
   File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 663, in processFocusWinEvent
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 534, in winEventToNVDAEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 85, in __call__
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 412, in
findOverlayClasses
   File "JABHandler.pyo", line 707, in isJavaWindow

Best,
Henk



Re: Keynote for NVDA

Devin Prater
 

Or, make the “too long” setting configurable by the user.

On Nov 17, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

That doesn't tell you if you have copied files or cut them, only text.  And unless you know the number of characters to expect to hear announced, when there is more than a small amount of text on the clipboard, the function tells you the number of characters.  What if it is text you copied earlier because, for some reason, new text isn't copied?  This feature should be changed.  It should read anything, no matter how long.  The user can stop speech with control, as always.  The screen-reader shouldn't decide for the user what is too long to read from the clipboard.  That is a complete contradiction of the philosophy of NVDA and is not allowing the user to decide what to hear and what not.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Keynote for NVDA

Hi sky 


I have not used it for years.


Are you aware that if you say copy text to the clip board with ctrl + C you can use the nvda key + C to confirm it has been copied. It will either say what you have copied or say something like to much info to read out I just can not think what it says just now or there is no content on the clip board.


I wonder if it could say it audible so you know it has been copied but also have it so it could be turned off in the add on.


Usually the short cut key is what I use to confirm if needed.


Gene nz


On 17/11/2019 7:51 pm, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello everybody and the NVDA Conference folks. Sky here. I wanted to let you guys know that I went on TeamTalk and listened to the keynote, and it was the greatest keynote I ever heard! I am also very happy that it is being sustainable for the future and so on and so forth. As an adaptive technology specialist training blind folks how to use screen reading software I can tell you folks that I defenatly do training on NVDA, and my clients enjoy it too!  however, I am finding a shortcoming with it that I think could be addressed in future versions, and I will list it below.
Often times when I train on NVDA, one of the first things I will do is I will download the clipboard speak add-on, so that the client knows when they have copied text to the clipboard. Is there any chance that this function could be put into the core? The reason is that it would save myself from having to add the function and it would also help some of my less technically minded clients. Because often times, as we all know, the less technically minded clients want things to be able to work straight out of the box, and they’re not going to fight with their screen reader just to get something to work. Thanks, Sky.


Re: Important notice on Joseph Lee's add-ons: NVDACon 2019 announcements, NVDA 2019.3 compatibility and add-on updates

 

Hi,

You’ll have to redefine it.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Giles Turnbull
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 6:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important notice on Joseph Lee's add-ons: NVDACon 2019 announcements, NVDA 2019.3 compatibility and add-on updates

 

Hi Joseph,

I use the screen curtain addon and defined ALT+Shift+s to trigger it. Will that shorcut still function when screen curtain is incorporated into NVDA 2019.3 or will I need to redefine it?

Thanks :)

Giles


Re: Important notice on Joseph Lee's add-ons: NVDACon 2019 announcements, NVDA 2019.3 compatibility and add-on updates

 

i have uninstalled the addon as you said.
how do i enable the feature that is in nvda core.

On 11/18/19, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:
Hi Joseph,

I use the screen curtain addon and defined ALT+Shift+s to trigger it. Will
that shorcut still function when screen curtain is incorporated into NVDA
2019.3 or will I need to redefine it?

Thanks :)

Giles



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Re: Important notice on Joseph Lee's add-ons: NVDACon 2019 announcements, NVDA 2019.3 compatibility and add-on updates

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi Joseph,

I use the screen curtain addon and defined ALT+Shift+s to trigger it. Will that shorcut still function when screen curtain is incorporated into NVDA 2019.3 or will I need to redefine it?

Thanks :)

Giles


NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Henk Mulder
 

Hi,

Using NVDA 2019.2.1, NVDA randomly freezes when I open IntelliJ IDE (Community edition 2019.2.4).
When it happens, NVDA hangs and won't report anything (also when switching to other applications with alt+tab). Also IntelliJ hangs and will not open the current project. The only thing I can do is to start Windows Narrator, which does keep working, and end the IntelliJ process via the task manager. When the IntelliJ process is killed NVDA unfreezes.

Is there a way to make sure, or to increase the chance, that I can start IntelliJ without NVDA and IntelliJ locking each other?

When NVDA is back I have the following snippet in the log viewer:

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (10:08:48.759):
Core frozen in stack:
  File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>
  File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
  File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
  File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
  File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll
  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 663, in processFocusWinEvent
  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 534, in winEventToNVDAEvent
  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in getNVDAObjectFromEvent
  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 85, in __call__
  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 412, in findOverlayClasses
  File "JABHandler.pyo", line 707, in isJavaWindow

Best,
Henk


Re: Important notice on Joseph Lee's add-ons: NVDACon 2019 announcements, NVDA 2019.3 compatibility and add-on updates

 

Hi,
You have to assign a custom command to enable screen curtain.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Austin Pinto
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 9:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important notice on Joseph Lee's add-ons: NVDACon 2019 announcements, NVDA 2019.3 compatibility and add-on updates

hi.
i use the alfa branch of nvda.
how to use the screen curtain function

On 11/18/19, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Dear NVDA community,



First, thank you to everyone who came to NVDACon 2019. A special thank
you to everyone who showed up to an informal add-on users meeting for
my add-ons.



As part of the user meeting, a number of important announcements were
made,
including:



* NVDA 2019.3 compatibility: almost all of my add-ons are compatible -
the lone exception is Screen Curtain, as the functionality is now part
of NVDA 2019.3. This add-on will be no more the day NVDA 2019.3 stable
version is released to the public.
* Add-on update releases: in the next few weeks, various add-ons will
be updated to require NVDA 2019.3. This will be done in waves:
starting with development snapshots for StationPlaylist and Windows 10
App Essentials on November 19, followed by more add-ons once NVDA
2019.3 stable version is released, ending with Add-on Updater in
February 2020.
* No going back after installing Python 3 strict add-ons: after
installing any add-on that requires NVDA 2019.3 (from my collection),
there is no going back. In particular, StationPlaylist add-on uses
parts of Python
3 that isn't backwards compatible, so going back to an earlier version
will not be possible (nor recommended).
* Several add-ons are leaving my nest: by February 1, 2020, I'll be
handing over the following add-ons to the community for further
maintenance:
Easy Table Navigator, Golden Cursor, ObjPad, SystrayList. For Golden
Cursor and SystrayList, version 4.0 is on its way, requiring NVDA 2019.3.
* Windows 10 App Essentials and October 2018 Update: the last Windows
10 App Essentials release to support Windows 10 October 2018 Update
(Version
1809) will be 20.01.x.



Special notice for StationPlaylist and Windows 10 App Essentials
snapshot
users: if you are using NVDA 2019.2.1 or earlier, you would have
received a notice about requiring NVDA 2019.3 from November 20, 2019
onwards. This will indeed happen - a snapshot destined for November
19th will require NVDA
2019.3 in any form, which will be enforced on November 20, 2019.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph





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Re: Keynote for NVDA

 

hi Jaffar yes recordings will be made available.

On 11/18/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
That doesn't tell you if you have copied files or cut them, only text. And
unless you know the number of characters to expect to hear announced, when
there is more than a small amount of text on the clipboard, the function
tells you the number of characters. What if it is text you copied earlier
because, for some reason, new text isn't copied? This feature should be
changed. It should read anything, no matter how long. The user can stop
speech with control, as always. The screen-reader shouldn't decide for the
user what is too long to read from the clipboard. That is a complete
contradiction of the philosophy of NVDA and is not allowing the user to
decide what to hear and what not.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 1:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Keynote for NVDA


Hi sky





I have not used it for years.




Are you aware that if you say copy text to the clip board with ctrl + C you
can use the nvda key + C to confirm it has been copied. It will either say
what you have copied or say something like to much info to read out I just
can not think what it says just now or there is no content on the clip
board.




I wonder if it could say it audible so you know it has been copied but also
have it so it could be turned off in the add on.




Usually the short cut key is what I use to confirm if needed.




Gene nz




On 17/11/2019 7:51 pm, Sky Mundell wrote:

Hello everybody and the NVDA Conference folks. Sky here. I wanted to let
you guys know that I went on TeamTalk and listened to the keynote, and it
was the greatest keynote I ever heard! I am also very happy that it is being
sustainable for the future and so on and so forth. As an adaptive technology
specialist training blind folks how to use screen reading software I can
tell you folks that I defenatly do training on NVDA, and my clients enjoy it
too! however, I am finding a shortcoming with it that I think could be
addressed in future versions, and I will list it below.

Often times when I train on NVDA, one of the first things I will do is I
will download the clipboard speak add-on, so that the client knows when they
have copied text to the clipboard. Is there any chance that this function
could be put into the core? The reason is that it would save myself from
having to add the function and it would also help some of my less
technically minded clients. Because often times, as we all know, the less
technically minded clients want things to be able to work straight out of
the box, and they’re not going to fight with their screen reader just to get
something to work. Thanks, Sky.




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Re: Important notice on Joseph Lee's add-ons: NVDACon 2019 announcements, NVDA 2019.3 compatibility and add-on updates

 

hi.
i use the alfa branch of nvda.
how to use the screen curtain function

On 11/18/19, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Dear NVDA community,



First, thank you to everyone who came to NVDACon 2019. A special thank you
to everyone who showed up to an informal add-on users meeting for my
add-ons.



As part of the user meeting, a number of important announcements were made,
including:



* NVDA 2019.3 compatibility: almost all of my add-ons are compatible -
the lone exception is Screen Curtain, as the functionality is now part of
NVDA 2019.3. This add-on will be no more the day NVDA 2019.3 stable version
is released to the public.
* Add-on update releases: in the next few weeks, various add-ons will
be updated to require NVDA 2019.3. This will be done in waves: starting
with
development snapshots for StationPlaylist and Windows 10 App Essentials on
November 19, followed by more add-ons once NVDA 2019.3 stable version is
released, ending with Add-on Updater in February 2020.
* No going back after installing Python 3 strict add-ons: after
installing any add-on that requires NVDA 2019.3 (from my collection), there
is no going back. In particular, StationPlaylist add-on uses parts of
Python
3 that isn't backwards compatible, so going back to an earlier version will
not be possible (nor recommended).
* Several add-ons are leaving my nest: by February 1, 2020, I'll be
handing over the following add-ons to the community for further
maintenance:
Easy Table Navigator, Golden Cursor, ObjPad, SystrayList. For Golden Cursor
and SystrayList, version 4.0 is on its way, requiring NVDA 2019.3.
* Windows 10 App Essentials and October 2018 Update: the last Windows
10 App Essentials release to support Windows 10 October 2018 Update
(Version
1809) will be 20.01.x.



Special notice for StationPlaylist and Windows 10 App Essentials snapshot
users: if you are using NVDA 2019.2.1 or earlier, you would have received a
notice about requiring NVDA 2019.3 from November 20, 2019 onwards. This
will
indeed happen - a snapshot destined for November 19th will require NVDA
2019.3 in any form, which will be enforced on November 20, 2019.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph




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Important notice on Joseph Lee's add-ons: NVDACon 2019 announcements, NVDA 2019.3 compatibility and add-on updates

 

Dear NVDA community,

 

First, thank you to everyone who came to NVDACon 2019. A special thank you to everyone who showed up to an informal add-on users meeting for my add-ons.

 

As part of the user meeting, a number of important announcements were made, including:

 

  • NVDA 2019.3 compatibility: almost all of my add-ons are compatible – the lone exception is Screen Curtain, as the functionality is now part of NVDA 2019.3. This add-on will be no more the day NVDA 2019.3 stable version is released to the public.
  • Add-on update releases: in the next few weeks, various add-ons will be updated to require NVDA 2019.3. This will be done in waves: starting with development snapshots for StationPlaylist and Windows 10 App Essentials on November 19, followed by more add-ons once NVDA 2019.3 stable version is released, ending with Add-on Updater in February 2020.
  • No going back after installing Python 3 strict add-ons: after installing any add-on that requires NVDA 2019.3 (from my collection), there is no going back. In particular, StationPlaylist add-on uses parts of Python 3 that isn’t backwards compatible, so going back to an earlier version will not be possible (nor recommended).
  • Several add-ons are leaving my nest: by February 1, 2020, I’ll be handing over the following add-ons to the community for further maintenance: Easy Table Navigator, Golden Cursor, ObjPad, SystrayList. For Golden Cursor and SystrayList, version 4.0 is on its way, requiring NVDA 2019.3.
  • Windows 10 App Essentials and October 2018 Update: the last Windows 10 App Essentials release to support Windows 10 October 2018 Update (Version 1809) will be 20.01.x.

 

Special notice for StationPlaylist and Windows 10 App Essentials snapshot users: if you are using NVDA 2019.2.1 or earlier, you would have received a notice about requiring NVDA 2019.3 from November 20, 2019 onwards. This will indeed happen – a snapshot destined for November 19th will require NVDA 2019.3 in any form, which will be enforced on November 20, 2019.

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: NVDA: QUESTION

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Kevin,

The address for In-Process is: https://www.nvaccess.org/category/in-process/

Kind regards
Quentin.

On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 8:57 AM Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Quentin,   sorry I deleted the wrong email,   can yo send the url for
the nvda in process again? sorry.

On 15/11/2019 07:50, Quentin Christensen wrote:
> Thanks Christo!
>
> We really appreciate the kind words!
>
> You have a great weekend too, and if you're free, feel free to tune in
> to some of NVDACon: https://www.nvdacon.org/
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 6:46 PM Christo Vorster
> <christo.vorster.klavierstem@...
> <mailto:christo.vorster.klavierstem@...>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Quentin____
>
>     __ __
>
>     Thanks for the explanation. I must admit, I always was, and still is
>     amazed tha the developers are able to update NVDA so frequently.
>     Yes, you are correct that whe all would prefer a stable release.____
>
>     __ __
>
>     I can just repeat, thanks for the stunning work, you, and everybody
>     involved in developing NVDA are doing. I’m sure I speak on behalf of
>     all the users, you gave us the best possible alternative to
>     affordable speech available. I am of the opinion that NVDA is
>     probably the best speech package available.____
>
>     __ __
>
>     Thanks again, and have a nice day____
>
>     __ __
>
>     *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>     [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>] *On Behalf
>     Of *Quentin Christensen
>     *Sent:* Friday, 15 November 2019 09:29
>     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>     *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA: QUESTION____
>
>     __ __
>
>     You haven't missed anything Christo, and yes we'd normally have the
>     third release out by now and be working on the 4th.  We're making a
>     couple of big changes under the hood for 2019.3 - they shouldn't be
>     too obvious when running NVDA, but they are key to future works:____
>
>     - Speech Refactor will make it easier to update speech in future (eg
>     to add earcons or reorder speech)____
>
>     - Moving to Python 3 is crucial, as Python 2 is about to reach
>     end-of-life and will no longer be supported from early next year.
>     Also, people who have learnt to code Python in recent years will
>     have learnt Python 3 so this will make it easier for them to get
>     involved with NVDA.____
>
>     __ __
>
>     These changes have necessitated updates to many add-ons, and to
>     ensure that users are not left without working add-ons, we are not
>     rushing NVDA 2019.3 but have been working with add-on developers to
>     ensure everything transitions as smoothly as possible for everyone
>     once NVDA 2019.3 does come out.____
>
>     __ __
>
>     If you're curious about your favourite add-ons, you can view this
>     list compiled by Joseph Lee (Thanks Joseph!) on the Add-ons site:
>     https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/nvdapy3.en.html____
>
>     __ __
>
>     You can also download the latest NVDA Alpha snapshots from
>     https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/ to try them out.____
>
>     __ __
>
>     At this stage, we're expecting NVDA 2019.3, when it comes out, will
>     be the last release this year.  We know everyone likes a new
>     release, but we're sure you like a stable release more so that's
>     what we're determined to bring you :)____
>
>     __ __
>
>     Regards____
>
>     __ __
>
>     Quentin.____
>
>     __ __
>
>     On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 5:10 PM Christo Vorster
>     <christo.vorster.klavierstem@...
>     <mailto:christo.vorster.klavierstem@...>> wrote:____
>
>         Hi Group____
>
>         ____
>
>         I have missed quite a lot of messages, thus the following
>         question____
>
>         ____
>
>         Currently I have version 2019.2.1 running. I got used to the
>         fact that, by this time of the year, version .3 was out and we
>         were awaiting version .4. I am just curious regarding what is
>         the situation.____
>
>         ____
>
>         I don’t have a problem with 2019.2.1, but am just curious.____
>
>         ____
>
>         Thanks for the stunning work you all are doing.____
>
>         ____
>
>         Regards____
>
>         ____
>
>         Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)____
>
>
>     ____
>
>     __ __
>
>     -- ____
>
>     Quentin Christensen
>     Training and Support Manager____
>
>     __ __
>
>     Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>____
>
>     Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/____
>
>     Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/____
>
>     User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda____
>
>     Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>     Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>____
>
>     __
>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>





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Re: NVDA Announcing Highlighted Text in Microsoft Word #msftaccessibility

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Justine,

This is a known issue - we have it listed on our GitHub issues page here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7396

At this stage, NVDA won't read the highlight normally.  NVDA does have an experimental advanced feature which will read it.  If you open NVDA's options.  Press NVDA+n to open the NVDA menu, then p for preferences and S for settings.  Press END to jump to the "Advanced" category.  TAB to the "I understand that changing these settings may cause NVDA to function incorrectly and check that, then tab to "Use UI Automation to access Microsoft Word document controls when available" and enable that.

This option uses a different method to get information about text in Microsoft Word.  It does note the highlight background colour correctly, however it may cuase other features not to work correctly.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 7:59 AM <justinekylloe@...> wrote:
Hi all. 
My students and myself are running NVDA on a Lenovo Thinkpad and in NVDA preferences under document formatting and under font we have selected font attributes, emphasis, style, and color. When in Microsoft Word, it is not announcing when text is highlighted. Is this possible?

Thank you,
--
Justine K.
TVI/COMS



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Re: How works the Windows 10 app essential?

 

Hi,
At least on older NVDA releases, Windows 10 App Essentials add-on will let
NVDA recognize more tooltips, more search fields, along with supporting
technologies from recent Windows 10 releases. In newer NVDA releases,
Windows 10 App Essentials is used to supplement NVDA by doing things such as
tracking UIA events for debugging purposes, announcing tile arrangements in
Action Center, announcing answers from Cortana in upcoming Cortana versions
and what not.
Typically when Microsoft introduces a new feature in Windows 10
(particularly if it is a user-visible change) via a Windows Insider Preview
build, Windows 10 App Essentials will try its best to support it first and
give users a chance to test-drive new Windows 10 features (i.e. I'm known
for staying up late into the night to "wrestle" with Windows 10 just to
improve usability of a feature if it doesn't work for users in the
beginning). As such, this add-on is very sensitive to changes in Windows 10
development, hence the reason for its existence.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Csercsics
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 1:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How works the Windows 10 app essential?

I am not sure precisely what the differences are between NVDA with and
without Windows 10 essentials. I just install it because it supposedly helps
with things, but I don't really use any Windows 10 universal apps, or any of
the built-in apps, so I'm not sure it is helping much here.